When people make the argument of "should've been in on release", I believe they mean that "these changes feel so much less impactful since this should've been here the whole time". When Venture skins finally come out, I bet there will be as many people angry as there are happy
6:07 It's not about if it's cool or not, it's that it is reused scrapped content that was promised to us. If anything the fact that it's fun makes it worse. Imagine if we had full on missions with full hero roaster like that, with builds that can be even more broken because it's PvE so broken builds doesn't hurt opposing players
I agree with you man but that’s just not the world we live in, do I wish things went differently and we were playing the ow of our dreams? Absolutely I’d be crazy to not want that but we have to be realistic. Like flats said it’s time to move on, if that means moving in to another game then that’s what you do, if that means moving on and just accepting the game we have then that’s good too. Maybe it’s apathy or maybe it’s that I have more important things to be upset over nowadays I’m not sure. All I know is it’s time we move on.
I hope the junkenstein lab gets a name change and added to arcade or a core game mode. Like we could QP, Ranked, and like a Hero mode where balance is less of a focus you get random power ups, no counter swap due to said power ups. They just need to add more heros over seasons.
To be fair the "supposed to be at launch" criticism here isnt about how angry they are about not having had that in s1 but how little efford and content they feel this one has
Genji is probably the most fun character in Junks Lab. You can go full deflect build and its genuinely insanely fun. Plus his two blade perks with the 1.5 sec duration increase per hit and launching projectiles that do 100% damage is insanely OP its basically a garunteed 5k. Edit: I just remembered Ashe being able to 1 tap headshot everyone but the tanks and Moira 60% speed boost 2 second fade and triple orbs.
The Kiri Toga skin is bugged I have hade it where the reload animation doesn’t happen in the middle of some of my games for the rest of the game and when this happens you can’t emote
Can we get more content in these tiktok videos? Like, I'd be fine with even half-hour vids if we just got to see more toks. As it stands, we only see a few vids, you go on a couple rants, and all of a sudden it's been ten minutes already and the vid's almost over.
I would have loved Junkenstein's Laboratory, but having so many defeats in a row where the 50 games completed in that mode was finished with at least 95% in defeat completion, I can't say it was fun. It was the most annoying and frustrating event I have gone through, and I wish I could have enjoyed it.
13:04 Me all the time with zarya lol because my most played tanks are queen then ram, so if there's also the very common kiri or ana, or other counters like mei, I may as well have block to survive because bleed heals just aren't going to work
"when have you ever seen a zarya said said im gonna go ram?" every vs Zarya game this season since changes lol. Its nuts how well he counters her now one cycle of nemesis form does enough damage to break both bubbles and still delete her.
I really don't get the outrage behind the Ramattra thing, it doesn't remove his pressure against shield, it greatly boosts it in every single scenario that isn't strictly 1v1. By instead shattering shields by blasting them with unbelievable amounts of damage, Ramattra opens up the enemy tank to fire from everyone on his team; *not just himself* which is a LOT more damage that can no longer be stopped. It does give some counterplay for shield heroes like Reinhardt where they do have the option to shield now, where that wasn't even an option before, which opens up more room for making different plays that are less forced and less punishable. That said, Ramattra still very much counters Reinhardt, Winston, and Sigma now because of the fact that he hits their shields with a nuclear bomb. A Reinhardt with no shield facing down the whole enemy team is NOT a happy Reinhardt. Especially not when he's getting put in the slow field by Ramattra as well.
I argue this against the “ram nerf” ram and rein matchup is much more in reins favor now for sure but it’s by no means rein dominated. Ram very much could just dominate rein because reins shield was his only defense and just getting that nullified really is too much. If this is the only tank matchup that ram got the short stick on with his change then that’s fine. Let me ask, Winston and zarya are tanks that are very strong on their own so why not make that matchup better for ram and rein (while he dominates low tier) he isn’t very strong on his own. Every tank matchup vs rein that “lost” to rein has been pretty much flipped JQ vs rein used to be rein domination until JQ got stronger self healing and stronger abilities plus faster casting in said abilities Sigma vs rein used to be pretty balanced but once the armor changes happened sigma became much stronger vs rein plus him getting damage buffs made this matchup a little strong for sigma. Not entirely sigma dominated but I’d say sigma has the edge. Ultimately I just argue that rein doesn’t have a lot of positive matchups so making his weak ones more balanced is a plus and making rams more weak matchups more balanced is also good
ramatra changes are an outright nerf, saying "oh its a buff to fighting zarya you can pop bubbles faster" ..... ah yeas lets just beat on the bubble and feed her so she can now melt you and everyone, being able to pop the bubble faster also means you BUFF HER FASTER, when you do pop that bubble your now in small form where you don't have as much armour so oh look you just evaporate -.-
You know what’s funny about next season’s Mythic? The devs literally cannot do it right. By that I mean because of their decision for Widow to have the mythic skin this season, no matter what they do it will rightfully piss off a large section of the community next season. Think about it, Venture has only gotten a single epic skin (that was just okay) since they released, and the devs hyped us up about a skin for Venture several seasons in advance. Anything less than a mythic skin will not be good enough. Even a good legendary will not make up for how much Venture has just been thrown away by the devs. If it’s anything less than a mythic then people are gonna be pissed about Venture again being disregarded. BUT, if Venture DOES get a mythic skin then it means that not only will it mean damage got THREE mythic skins in a row, but it also means Tanks will not be getting a mythic for another season will have gone almost a year and a half without a new mythic skin while supports got 2 and damage got 3. So if they give Venture a mythic then it means tanks get pushed aside for over a year to get their next mythic while the other roles get several. But if they give a tank the mythic it means the single hero most deserving of a mythic is screwed over and everyone is disappointed by being setup for something several seasons in advanced just for it to be a legendary. Either way the devs have put themselves in a position where people are gonna be disappointed and upset because some part of the community is gonna get screwed over by this.
@@assassinlord2211 no I’m not referring to the mythic skins weapon, i don’t kind that as being a skin towards a character. More like a variation just like the gold or jade weapons
I think there are a lot less people that actually care about venture having a skin than you’d think. People talk about it mostly because of how funnily egregious it is, but for the most part the average person isn’t going to actually care about venture’s skin situation in a serious capacity. It’s just another thing to make fun of blizzard for. In truth it’s highly competent of them to heavily delay and slack on venture skins since venture was never going to be a moneymaker, just look at their design and identity versus Juno and how quickly she got a premium collab skin.
Holy fuck overwatch is screwed. you mean to tell me the devs are berated, insulted, abused verbally and emotionally because of a 5 year old promise they werent even present for? that blows.the current devs we have probably havent been working on overwatch for more than 2 seasons because it feels like every month we here about lay offs from the dev team. modern gaming has because a cespool for toxicity because of stuff like twitter, its honestly sad to see. and the kicker is that the overwatch devs actually listen. you dont have a problem for more than 3 weeks before it gets patched or reverted
9:47 I mean, let's be fair Kiri is getting 2 skins, 1 recolor and one gilded aspect. If we coun't the gilded aspect as a skin then a lot of heroes is getting a skin, but for some reason it only counts for Kiri. Don't get me wrong, Kiri is getting a lot of skins but calling gilded aspect a skin? and are recolors a skin or not? It is if Kiri is getting one!
"Just let it go," referring to the broken, nit-picked implementation of things that were promised at launch, 5 years after the fact, is one of the worst takes I've heard in a while.
I hate the fact that you say it's been years ago. They should be held accountable for their errors. and by they I mean Blizzard. I don't care that team 4 has different people in it now. I don't care that Microsoft owns Bliz. They fucked our entire community. And i'm not gonna forgive them for it fucking up that game is had hours of fun on with my friends in 2017-18-19 ... With ups and downs obvs. Yes we should scold them for their fockups from a couple of months/years ago.
Flats coping, no I will not let go. We can admit that it was supposed to be in at launch but remember when Mauga got revealed and you said “we’re back”?! Yea bro let’s just stop my guy.
Im diamond tank and i queue w my gold friend and just have fun w rein lol. Technically not smurfing caus wide queue but pretty sure the only way tp have fun as tank lol
Easily Flats’ worst opinion he’s been spamming lately. The game was in development for 6 years, to replace a beloved and neglected Overwatch 1 with something much better, it was announced early and after years of anticipation every promise made has been broken and the game is significantly greedier and cynical because of it. I still enjoy aspects of the game, but I’m sorry Overwatch 2 will never escape its legacy of one of the worst, pointless, scummiest, lie-ridden sequels in the history of video games. (Stay tuned for Smite 2).
9:52 No we fucking don't. I have other hobbies man. And I would like to see cool skins for someone other than my main. I also want a Ram skins, Juno skins, I don't care about Venture but that doesn't mean I don't want to see them get any skins either. If anything I want more cool skins that I don't care about so I can go "Huh, that's really solid skin. But I don't play that character so pass". People complaining about us Kiriko mains getting so many skins as if it was our fault is so annoying. And before someone say that it is my fault because I'm buying skins... This season I got Kiri skins from collab I would get no matter who would be in it, and from Ultimate BP, something I also get no matter what's included in it. I'm not asking for dozen kiri skins every season, I already have enough to cycle between, I don't need any more skins for another year at least. But I know that we're about to get inevetible Holiday Kiriko next season anyways, with eggnogg suzu ball, candy kunais and, I don't know, socks as talismans or something
Flats… I hate you with all my heart. Also Rein is the most boring hero ever made even more than Mercy thanks (top 120 currently so I reaaaaly don’t care about most of you)
im actually getting really sick and tired of the constant "that should've been in the game at launch" too, it's so fucking overused.. be original if you wanna shit on the game more..
Flats yaps so much in 14 minutes he watched 4 tiktoks the total time of tiktok watching is 4:24 which means that the total yap time of this video is 10:17 which is a lot of yap for 4 videos
ok? do you want him to sit there and make sssniperwolf style "reaction" videos rather than actually have input? just go watch the tiktoks yourself in that case
i get the sentiment that has been around Flats recently that he yaps too much, but he's trying to make transformative content and if people watch his stream where he spends 1/4 of the time yapping then he will, because people are engaged with that content. Also when you're as big of a streamer as Flats, there are a lot of people (such as yourself) who discover this style of content randomly and like it, but don't find the yapping engaging so they feel left out and that's okay. Honest critique is important and even i recognize that he yaps too much sometimes, but nobody is perfect, not everything is to your tastes and he has an obligation to entertain thousands of ppl on Twitch and YT and if he doesn't do that and doesn't share his thoughts and opinions he just becomes the same as everyone else.
Man’s like a cartoon character… same outfit everyday.
"hehehe" ahh
It be like that sometimes….(I have 10 of the same shirt)
Bro has 100x shorts and tees at will
@@onlyclips2129 Why wouldn't you? I've got me quite a lot of plain black shirts tbh
Comes from buying those 10packs of shirts. I have always bought these. Great for work
Same shirt will never be unfunny
he falls for it everytime
When people make the argument of "should've been in on release", I believe they mean that "these changes feel so much less impactful since this should've been here the whole time". When Venture skins finally come out, I bet there will be as many people angry as there are happy
Agreed it’s like a game you play where it feels like it’s still on the beta phase and not the complete version.
The skins thing for pharah is actually crazy
Been playing for 6 years and never seen that before
When talking about the ram change almost no-one brings up that it is a massive nerf against sym wall and I think that’s very interesting
Given how shit Sym is, I don't think that matters at all. one single ult on one single AWFUL character isn't a problem.
@@Mrs.Magix58sym is the best hero in the history of overwatch actually
@@Mrs.Magix58 people always say that until sym gets one micro buff and suddenly she’s a tier lmao
6:07 It's not about if it's cool or not, it's that it is reused scrapped content that was promised to us. If anything the fact that it's fun makes it worse. Imagine if we had full on missions with full hero roaster like that, with builds that can be even more broken because it's PvE so broken builds doesn't hurt opposing players
I agree with you man but that’s just not the world we live in, do I wish things went differently and we were playing the ow of our dreams? Absolutely I’d be crazy to not want that but we have to be realistic. Like flats said it’s time to move on, if that means moving in to another game then that’s what you do, if that means moving on and just accepting the game we have then that’s good too. Maybe it’s apathy or maybe it’s that I have more important things to be upset over nowadays I’m not sure. All I know is it’s time we move on.
ClassicDMan hilarious dude 😂😂.
Also dude not the chat calling you out for having the same shirt or type of shirt 😂😂😂
Flats: "so what they pissed on your head and called it rain, the pee is dry now, you're not even wet anymore "
Ikr lmao
I hope the junkenstein lab gets a name change and added to arcade or a core game mode. Like we could QP, Ranked, and like a Hero mode where balance is less of a focus you get random power ups, no counter swap due to said power ups. They just need to add more heros over seasons.
To be fair the "supposed to be at launch" criticism here isnt about how angry they are about not having had that in s1 but how little efford and content they feel this one has
#Buff RAM
if you're gonna do that to ram can we please get infinite ult back?
Genji is probably the most fun character in Junks Lab. You can go full deflect build and its genuinely insanely fun. Plus his two blade perks with the 1.5 sec duration increase per hit and launching projectiles that do 100% damage is insanely OP its basically a garunteed 5k.
Edit: I just remembered Ashe being able to 1 tap headshot everyone but the tanks and Moira 60% speed boost 2 second fade and triple orbs.
The Kiri Toga skin is bugged I have hade it where the reload animation doesn’t happen in the middle of some of my games for the rest of the game and when this happens you can’t emote
This is just a kiriko bug in general. Happens with her mythic too
@@YouSeeMeTrolling a good to know thank
Kiriko gets more skins each season than Flats has shirts in total 😭
Can we get more content in these tiktok videos? Like, I'd be fine with even half-hour vids if we just got to see more toks. As it stands, we only see a few vids, you go on a couple rants, and all of a sudden it's been ten minutes already and the vid's almost over.
I would have loved Junkenstein's Laboratory, but having so many defeats in a row where the 50 games completed in that mode was finished with at least 95% in defeat completion, I can't say it was fun. It was the most annoying and frustrating event I have gone through, and I wish I could have enjoyed it.
I cant wait to get phreaky
Phreak offs
13:04 Me all the time with zarya lol because my most played tanks are queen then ram, so if there's also the very common kiri or ana, or other counters like mei, I may as well have block to survive because bleed heals just aren't going to work
"when have you ever seen a zarya said said im gonna go ram?" every vs Zarya game this season since changes lol. Its nuts how well he counters her now one cycle of nemesis form does enough damage to break both bubbles and still delete her.
I really don't get the outrage behind the Ramattra thing, it doesn't remove his pressure against shield, it greatly boosts it in every single scenario that isn't strictly 1v1. By instead shattering shields by blasting them with unbelievable amounts of damage, Ramattra opens up the enemy tank to fire from everyone on his team; *not just himself* which is a LOT more damage that can no longer be stopped. It does give some counterplay for shield heroes like Reinhardt where they do have the option to shield now, where that wasn't even an option before, which opens up more room for making different plays that are less forced and less punishable. That said, Ramattra still very much counters Reinhardt, Winston, and Sigma now because of the fact that he hits their shields with a nuclear bomb. A Reinhardt with no shield facing down the whole enemy team is NOT a happy Reinhardt. Especially not when he's getting put in the slow field by Ramattra as well.
my brain hurts, this video expanded it too much. thanks, obama. i mean flats.
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@@Kabal39 ?????
I argue this against the “ram nerf” ram and rein matchup is much more in reins favor now for sure but it’s by no means rein dominated. Ram very much could just dominate rein because reins shield was his only defense and just getting that nullified really is too much. If this is the only tank matchup that ram got the short stick on with his change then that’s fine.
Let me ask, Winston and zarya are tanks that are very strong on their own so why not make that matchup better for ram and rein (while he dominates low tier) he isn’t very strong on his own. Every tank matchup vs rein that “lost” to rein has been pretty much flipped
JQ vs rein used to be rein domination until JQ got stronger self healing and stronger abilities plus faster casting in said abilities
Sigma vs rein used to be pretty balanced but once the armor changes happened sigma became much stronger vs rein plus him getting damage buffs made this matchup a little strong for sigma. Not entirely sigma dominated but I’d say sigma has the edge.
Ultimately I just argue that rein doesn’t have a lot of positive matchups so making his weak ones more balanced is a plus and making rams more weak matchups more balanced is also good
10:15 actually we will get the tank before because of the latest they’ve been doing since Mauga
ramatra changes are an outright nerf, saying "oh its a buff to fighting zarya you can pop bubbles faster" ..... ah yeas lets just beat on the bubble and feed her so she can now melt you and everyone, being able to pop the bubble faster also means you BUFF HER FASTER, when you do pop that bubble your now in small form where you don't have as much armour so oh look you just evaporate -.-
I feel like every time i watch a video. He is wearing same shirt as the clip 😂
You know what’s funny about next season’s Mythic? The devs literally cannot do it right. By that I mean because of their decision for Widow to have the mythic skin this season, no matter what they do it will rightfully piss off a large section of the community next season.
Think about it, Venture has only gotten a single epic skin (that was just okay) since they released, and the devs hyped us up about a skin for Venture several seasons in advance. Anything less than a mythic skin will not be good enough. Even a good legendary will not make up for how much Venture has just been thrown away by the devs. If it’s anything less than a mythic then people are gonna be pissed about Venture again being disregarded.
BUT, if Venture DOES get a mythic skin then it means that not only will it mean damage got THREE mythic skins in a row, but it also means Tanks will not be getting a mythic for another season will have gone almost a year and a half without a new mythic skin while supports got 2 and damage got 3.
So if they give Venture a mythic then it means tanks get pushed aside for over a year to get their next mythic while the other roles get several. But if they give a tank the mythic it means the single hero most deserving of a mythic is screwed over and everyone is disappointed by being setup for something several seasons in advanced just for it to be a legendary. Either way the devs have put themselves in a position where people are gonna be disappointed and upset because some part of the community is gonna get screwed over by this.
Has there ever been a time where we got two mythic skins within a season?
@@kujasif you are being technical it would be the mythic weapon skins and a mythic in one season
@@assassinlord2211 no I’m not referring to the mythic skins weapon, i don’t kind that as being a skin towards a character. More like a variation just like the gold or jade weapons
I think there are a lot less people that actually care about venture having a skin than you’d think. People talk about it mostly because of how funnily egregious it is, but for the most part the average person isn’t going to actually care about venture’s skin situation in a serious capacity. It’s just another thing to make fun of blizzard for.
In truth it’s highly competent of them to heavily delay and slack on venture skins since venture was never going to be a moneymaker, just look at their design and identity versus Juno and how quickly she got a premium collab skin.
Small correction, venture would have been the FOURTH dps mythic in a row. Almost an entire year of dps mythics :)
Holy fuck overwatch is screwed. you mean to tell me the devs are berated, insulted, abused verbally and emotionally because of a 5 year old promise they werent even present for? that blows.the current devs we have probably havent been working on overwatch for more than 2 seasons because it feels like every month we here about lay offs from the dev team. modern gaming has because a cespool for toxicity because of stuff like twitter, its honestly sad to see. and the kicker is that the overwatch devs actually listen. you dont have a problem for more than 3 weeks before it gets patched or reverted
This is delusional the game is just shit
9:47 I mean, let's be fair Kiri is getting 2 skins, 1 recolor and one gilded aspect. If we coun't the gilded aspect as a skin then a lot of heroes is getting a skin, but for some reason it only counts for Kiri.
Don't get me wrong, Kiri is getting a lot of skins but calling gilded aspect a skin? and are recolors a skin or not? It is if Kiri is getting one!
It's been like a month since we got some of these.
Hmm. One thing is a weird coincidence. Ramattra got nerfed the same moment Rein got a collab skin.
classicmand W
I just wanna be sure, is there any way we can make a worse designed brawler than Mauga?
Brother, chat does not understand when us bigger mammals find a shirt we like, we buy ten
I swear ive never seen flats change shirts.
ClassicDman always spitting facts
"Just let it go," referring to the broken, nit-picked implementation of things that were promised at launch, 5 years after the fact, is one of the worst takes I've heard in a while.
Love these tiktok react videos :)
Watch Phreak (the new tank) play like a Mauga 2.0 😈
I hate the fact that you say it's been years ago. They should be held accountable for their errors. and by they I mean Blizzard. I don't care that team 4 has different people in it now. I don't care that Microsoft owns Bliz. They fucked our entire community. And i'm not gonna forgive them for it fucking up that game is had hours of fun on with my friends in 2017-18-19 ... With ups and downs obvs. Yes we should scold them for their fockups from a couple of months/years ago.
Flats coping, no I will not let go. We can admit that it was supposed to be in at launch but remember when Mauga got revealed and you said “we’re back”?! Yea bro let’s just stop my guy.
They just need to start a live action or cartoon show to fully solidify the lore
I think they cancelled a netflix adaptation, because of some feud with them
SAME SHIRT
Is ram players really do get bent over by blizzard
Flats
Im diamond tank and i queue w my gold friend and just have fun w rein lol. Technically not smurfing caus wide queue but pretty sure the only way tp have fun as tank lol
I hate the whole "lets things go" idea. these werent just "things" theyre were promises and blizzard broke all those promisis
Leave it to a corporate shill to say let things go, those of us who aren’t tied behind blizzard are free to express are real opinions.
Easily Flats’ worst opinion he’s been spamming lately. The game was in development for 6 years, to replace a beloved and neglected Overwatch 1 with something much better, it was announced early and after years of anticipation every promise made has been broken and the game is significantly greedier and cynical because of it.
I still enjoy aspects of the game, but I’m sorry Overwatch 2 will never escape its legacy of one of the worst, pointless, scummiest, lie-ridden sequels in the history of video games. (Stay tuned for Smite 2).
Nothing in developing the game is a promise. That's your first mistake. It never, ever has been and it never, ever will be
@@fatcat2015you're trapped in an internet bubble completely isolated from reality
@@michaelpurdon7032except usually when a new game comes out you don’t lose another one
I'm a simple woman. I see an angry tiktok manchil crying about Overwatch, i skip forward in the video.
Yep that works :) i like to see counter arguments, but i dig it 😎
Honestly checked out on the lore at this point. If Blizzard isn't trying, why should we?
NICE
W video
9:52 No we fucking don't. I have other hobbies man. And I would like to see cool skins for someone other than my main. I also want a Ram skins, Juno skins, I don't care about Venture but that doesn't mean I don't want to see them get any skins either. If anything I want more cool skins that I don't care about so I can go "Huh, that's really solid skin. But I don't play that character so pass".
People complaining about us Kiriko mains getting so many skins as if it was our fault is so annoying.
And before someone say that it is my fault because I'm buying skins... This season I got Kiri skins from collab I would get no matter who would be in it, and from Ultimate BP, something I also get no matter what's included in it. I'm not asking for dozen kiri skins every season, I already have enough to cycle between, I don't need any more skins for another year at least. But I know that we're about to get inevetible Holiday Kiriko next season anyways, with eggnogg suzu ball, candy kunais and, I don't know, socks as talismans or something
Flats have as much shirts as Venture does skins
Flats… I hate you with all my heart. Also Rein is the most boring hero ever made even more than Mercy thanks (top 120 currently so I reaaaaly don’t care about most of you)
im actually getting really sick and tired of the constant "that should've been in the game at launch" too, it's so fucking overused.. be original if you wanna shit on the game more..
Am excited for the tank for the soul reason that he is Scottish (am Scottish)
that was like 3 tiktoks and 2 rants bruh
Flats yaps so much in 14 minutes he watched 4 tiktoks the total time of tiktok watching is 4:24 which means that the total yap time of this video is 10:17 which is a lot of yap for 4 videos
Maybe don't watch the video then 🤷♂️
ok? do you want him to sit there and make sssniperwolf style "reaction" videos rather than actually have input? just go watch the tiktoks yourself in that case
he's doing reactions, not compilations.
i get the sentiment that has been around Flats recently that he yaps too much, but he's trying to make transformative content and if people watch his stream where he spends 1/4 of the time yapping then he will, because people are engaged with that content. Also when you're as big of a streamer as Flats, there are a lot of people (such as yourself) who discover this style of content randomly and like it, but don't find the yapping engaging so they feel left out and that's okay. Honest critique is important and even i recognize that he yaps too much sometimes, but nobody is perfect, not everything is to your tastes and he has an obligation to entertain thousands of ppl on Twitch and YT and if he doesn't do that and doesn't share his thoughts and opinions he just becomes the same as everyone else.
@PurpleMoon799 no but he spent a whole minute yapping about how he's not wearing the same shirt, that added nothing to the video it was useless yap.
Common Flats L with the "let things go" take
Common youtube lobotomite
@@KikiCatMeownah he’s right
@@Kabal39 i think people need to get a life outside of video games if y’all still care that much
Wow flats has gone full shill
venture can continue to rot in the hell of no good skins. whatever it takes to make as few people as possible use that character
I cant dig that
What did venture do to you
ughhh this stinks