What we really need is more female academics telling men what they should think, feel, desire, and respond to and that it should be the same thing that women do. Because if a male academic said this of women, it would be incredibly well-received.
@@lancecook7225 No. MRAs use the language put forth by feminists to make a case for men, under the assumption that feminism seeks to be fair. It doesn't. At its inception that was the goal, but since its original objectives were achieved it's since morphed into an ideology for female supremacy, up to and including how men must change to serve in the best interests of women. What MRAs don't grasp is that within the structures of modern society, feminists do not perceive any value to masculinity that society itself cannot provide, and that is not going to change until society does. But right now, the powers-that-be continue to incentivize this split of the sexes for...reasons.
@@dhunter1133 Let's quote from one of Feminism's foundational documents, The Declaration of Sentiments (1848): _"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her."_ Men's goal was never tyranny over women, it was their protection. From this point forward the Patriarchy is tyranny talk ensued despite at the time the largest nation on Earth being headed by a woman (Queen Victoria) and various wars being fought by men, against men, with little to no involvement of women whatsoever. With the US having fought a war against the Barbary states who explicitly captured women and sold them into slavery. Feminism is ridiculous, always has been ridiculous and everyone can see right through it.
@@Shockguey - With no disrespect intended, I don't know that discussing the state of feminism 175 years ago is relevant. To me, that's no different than black activists demanding social justice over an institution that ended in 1865. The point is merely this: feminists in the 20th century had legitimate grievances concerning rights, representation, and personal freedoms that society ultimately addressed. If they had stopped there, everything might've been fine. Instead, the movement became an embodiment of the, "if I don't have everything I want, that means I'm being victimized" mentality that is pervasive in modern progressive thinking.
Those kinds of people want men to be more open about their emotions, but not to THEM. If you're going to make the suggestion, then stick around and listen because when that is said, it's being suggested that the person will hear them out.
@@missfaztudo9312 Yeah, thats wrong too. But you dont think that is for the same reason? The expectation of not being emotional is what is harming men, but its also enforced by men. Its similar to magazines of super skinny super models, and women put that pressure on other women. Now women dont have that pressure as much because they found out that men prefer women with curves. Problem solved for women, now its their turn to help solve the problems for men.
Chris Rock joked that the only unconditional love a man gets is from his mother and his dog. And the older I get, the more true that statement has become
@@rowsdower12in the comments section of this thread: 85% men who are screaming they are victims. really dumb, non critically thinking men as well. What is more likely why men can't make a comfortable living and attract a mate? #1- staggering wealth inequality leading to less wages that haven't paced with inflation since 1977. a poor mental health Infrastructure short about 30,000 professionals. the lie of the American Dream. a willful rejection of college cause, ya know, its "liberal" and fear over any other identity group but them being empowered in ANY way... or #2- feminism has run amok and women are mean as a result and they exist to laugh at men and cheer wildly when they fail. what's more likely? go ahead and take all the time you need.
Andrew Tate content is being consumed by a tiny fraction of lonely men. The comment was just one more attempt to put men in their place from the left. You are not allowed to be masculine. You are not allowed to have preferences in your partner.@@PSYxTV
Except that women overwhelmingly date across or up economic ladders while men date across or down ladders. Wealthy women and poor men are much less likely to find a partner
i mean we all agree. the ones who don't are progressives. a shame because at this point progressivism has to be a drug addiction. my question is will these people ever OD on their ideology?
@@peterroberts4415 Your morals/life choices/strategies/whatever you want to call them, are based on the statistics of human behavior? You're doomed to a less-than-average, miserable life.
Most single men I know don't really mind being on our own it's easier than dealing with the toxic misandry of modern society. What we hate is the constant belittling, blaming and shaming.
@heyhoe168 its not that we like it. Its that the other options are infinitely worse. "Ah yes let me go carry an abusive relationship where everything from the dog barking to her asshole itching is blamed on me" Note this isnt all relationships, but its enough to not be worth the effort anymore. Especially when the price for me wanting out could be half my shit, my house, my car and being turned into a legalized slave.
It's sad seeing an entire generation of emotionally stunted dudes being systematically funneled into such a myopic and ignorant mindset. It's like a dumber version of Scientology.
I think the issue is that all the women have gone away to the top dudes. The men who are not at the top are lonely and their quality of life is indeed defined by society. Society is becoming polygamous, which is really interesting and the male backlash will get worse, not better. Men will go to whoever offers the easiest solution and there will be more Jordan Petersons and Andrew tates as a result.
The problem with the man o sphere are incredibly toxic and look to young men as a source for money and don't really care about helping them improve their lives.
Very true. It's crazy to hear from wonderful women that they no longer trust men and believe that MOST men are horrible. I have a friend I was very close with who stopped talking to me because I mentioned men have it tough, too. We get accused when we've never done anything of the sort that we're being accused of.
As an older millennial, I just want to remind people that this issue has always been around. For my generation, what brought this topic out was Fight Club. That movie gave rise to a whole sub-culture of male rebellion and a lot of discussions around masculine toxicity, anti-consumerism, rage against the establishment, etc. Good times.
I was the character's age when that movie came out and it was addressing that generation's reality. It was the first movie which actually spoke to the hard lessons I had already learned by that point. It's still my favorite movie today because of how well it was executed.
Also another takeaway from that film: "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need." What do they offer us as a panacea for our problems: another woman telling us that she's here to help. Yeah. Sure.
Freakin' spot-on, now that you mentioned it. Every day guys working blue collar jobs, even white-collar guys, nodding at each other as the pass without saying a word (because they know the first rule). This notion of male rebellion is NOT a novel concept like this video would make you think it is.
@@michaeldavid6832fight club is a story about a cult. they are manipulated into thinking the solution to being mindless drones is to be mindless drones for a guy.
As a middle-aged married man, I am extremely lonely. I feel like I bear most of the burden of the success or failure of my family. People constantly laud my wife for working so hard and being a mother, I get no acknowledgement for being a present and caring father and working as hard as anybody else. Because I work so much and also run a small business, I have little time to develop meaningful relationships. I don't want sympathy, but acknowledging what I do for my family would be nice.
Dude I'm a single father with 2 kids and nobody cares...If I was a female I'd be applauded for how brave I am. I don't expect any praise I'm just doing my best. But I can see the double standard
Men's life has always been like that. Centuries ago men used to die in wars, coal mines, ships, etc and nobody would care, we're just a number, disposable. It sounds bad, but it's the truth. If you're doing a good job as a father and a husband just be happy with yourself, you are the person that should love and respect yourself the most. Happiness comes from the inside, so don't expect appreciations from anyone else. That's what women need, not men.
I want to suggest try either finding a new friend group to talk to (but time constraints from work), or having a serious discussion with the missus, even therapy... but taking that step can be scary. It could even end the relationship, but you may well end up happier for it.
When I went to university, the student composition was about 60% women and 40% men. But when I went to student resources to apply for scholarships, fully 25% of them were for women only. There were 0 that were for men only. So not only was I in the minority, but there were also many scholarships open only to the majority group and which explicitly discriminated against me. Also, I was going into a female dominated field and I had the distinct impression that several of my female professors preferred their female students to their male students. Thus, from top to bottom, my university experience was one where I was actively and passively told I was not welcome and not wanted there. I did not complete my degree, which may have ended up being a good thing since I also avoided student debt. This was a number of years ago and I can only imagine that the situation has gotten worse for men in university today.
Academia is very feminist and discriminatory against men. I was in academia too, courses only for women, money and projects and scholarships only for women. Professor positions are open only for women. It’s very sad that all men that I knew left academia to work in companies, and all women that I knew now have a stable job as professors
We had to write about not even thinly veiled feminist ideology stories in a bunch of our college exams. It's fcked. Pure feminist anti male crap infiltrated it
"But when I went to student resources to apply for scholarships, fully 25% of them were for women only. There were 0 that were for men only." yeah I noticed that too. in terms of scholarships for the program I was in, basically all were either for women of minorities and you could pretty much get them with a c average and being the right group, only four were available is you were a white male, two you had to be in a master's program, one you needed to be in a specialty television program and the the last one was you had to do a major indy project and you needed PERFECT fucking grades to get any of these... the fact that the DEI programs in companies have also led to quotas for x amount of women in higher positions, yeah... its not hard to tell why the scale tipped...
Talked to a feminist who said she supports men expressing their emotions more. I told her how no one actually cares, we're lonely, and have to get used to being perceived as a predator constantly. She then proceeded to explain to me how it's all men's fault. So much for expressing my emotions huh?
That's the thing it's kinda true that it's a self creating problem. Women are scared of men because of all of the abusive men. That's reality. A lot of men are alone. Women don't want to work and be the main childcare and household person while their man just works and does barely anything else. This is so many men. The economy is such that everyone is struggling with college and financially and yet most policies are against things that would help women such as paid family leave. And now we have abortion rights being rolled back. So women right now are putting all the blame on men in general. Many of us see men as the source of most of the problems we all are facing. It isn't fair but that's what's happening. A lot of women don't even want to date and get married right now. At the same time most men even look on the word feminist as if it was a bad thing. And the same time a fringe minority of white Christian nationalists want to put women in their place and see the problem as giving women too much freedom. So we have to deal with that too. At this point for a lot of women it feels like you are either a male for us or a male against us. And yet Men call male allies beta males. We are honestly being pitted against each other.
Shoe0nHead has earned my utmost respect and gratitude for talking about this. As much as it sucks that people only pay attention to men's issues when women talk about it, I understand that that's just how it goes, and I am grateful to her for being that voice that actually gets listened to.
This is why the whole patriarchy thing drives me nuts. Like every guy or even most guys are the CEO’s of some large company. The vast vast vast majority of guys are just trying to find their place in this word ( like the vast majority of women ). I feel terrible for the aging guys out there who can’t find a partner, loneliness is awful. I feel so lucky to be married with children, and I really feel for my friends who can’t figure it out.
Exactly. By comparing the top men against the top women, it would appear men are crushing it. Comparing the average woman to the average man tells a very different story.
I honestly DGAS if a Women makes more than me, as long as she TRULLY does & completes the work to get it; not because she checks off the right box in the ESG work force model.
@@MR-backup I wouldn't care if a woman made more than me if SHE didn't care. I find it telling that Krystal talks about it feeling emasculating for men to make less money than the women around him - she doesn't mention how women feel no compunction about shitting on a man for not making more. No, it's not all just in his toxically male mind. Women EXPECT the man to be the breadwinner. Nobody in this conversation said, "Hey maybe women could learn to be ok with making more without thinking their man is a loser." (Women - even the concerned ones: How can we fix men without having to change anything on our end?)
it's so frustrating when Krystal says men just want to be the breadwinners and women go back in the kitchen. That is not the issue. The issue is that most women who make a lot of money rarely date economically down and seek someone on their level or higher. Men on the other hand have a natural inclination of providing and can easily date economically down. Therefore, a lot of women are romantically available to a minority of men. It's also rare that you come across a woman who is ok with being the breadwinner long-term.
This. And nobody is judging women for doing it or saying they shouldn't. It's literally just "women are choosing men who they perceive as socially or economically more successful than them, and this means men feel pressure to live up to these standards" I'd say that even people like Tate and Peterson are LESS judgemental than women are when they complain about the pressures women feel from men (and I'd argue that most of that pressure is ALSO from other women. Because they're choosing to compete for a smaller selection of men who can then be selective. A vicious cycle)
What you've said is so true -- men will now have to find their value (to women) in other ways. And with the Internet, women don't have to fish within their small pond (town). The dynamics have shifted far to one side
These are their decisions.. they didn't want to be housewives anymore and trade family life for careerism and single life. These are the trade offs and they'll have to live with them.
I tell my friends we are fighting hundreds of thousands of years of biology and trying to do it in a matter of a few decades. Before the time of modern luxury a woman would need to find a strong man to literally survive and reproduce. Now when can make it on their own it is still hard to give up the ghost and be with a man that is economically less well off. This is also the first time history we have what can be considered a true free market for dating with these apps. Women can look outside their area for men. They seem to all be chasing the same men. It is a new world out there for the human race. I for one do not believe it will end well in the medium term. Population crisis will be real in less than 50 years which could implode entire societies.
>It's also rare that you come across a woman who is ok with being the breadwinner long-term. Frankly, I think this is the crux of the issue. There are many men who would happily stay home and be domestic labor. Every single man I have met that tried that situation, whether they themselves liked the arrangement or not, their partner hated it. I think equality among the sexes is a good thing. Every person should be able to choose the trajectory of their own life to whatever extent they are able and have equal protection under the law. Be that as it may, someone told a lot of women they had to go out and be earners, and while many of them are happy I think a lot of them aren't. Isn't it a convenient coincidence that being able to afford a single income household is ever being pushed to higher and higher income brackets?
As a father of 2 boys I got to tell you if a boy is not athletically / academically gifted or emotionally mature in K-12, they kinda disappear. They become invisible. It’s heartbreaking.
The only solution is for women to hit 'the wall'. That's only when the women vying for the top 10% of men, start to look towards the bottom 50%, or else embrace their own loneliness.
My brother wasn’t athletic and was sexually assaulted by high school jocks. Scarred him for life. Ironically, he became a ballet dancer in top companies.
Men: *drops the alpha routine* Women: "Alright, I'm not looking for needy, sorry" There are definitely two extremes to this issue and we can't dismiss that. Shoe, as always, great job being balanced and hilarious.
For every alpha bro dude, there is also a woman who believes the same shit. They go hand in hand and can be equally dismissed. If you "drop the alpha routine" yeah no shit you're not going to find luck with women who are into that. Those people are not collectively "women" just as much as every alpha super stoic gym bro is isnt "men."
@@donovan4222just because woman can feel out of place in society, doesn’t mean men don’t for different reasons, or that men feel out of place at the same frequency as woman. Ironically enough your dismissive attitude towards the issue is exactly what contributes to its growth.
the boohoo response is correct. as a man if you aren't ready for revolution than i promise your slavery is inevitable look it sucks that we have to bleed to keep our rights and property but that's literally what it will take to keep these robbers and thieves off our backs.
As a High School coach, I can tell you this is a very real thing. My 1st priority is to work on their assertiveness and self confidence even before their on field skills. They cannot escape being told they’re toxic or privileged and social media amplify these feelings of inadequacy. It is so hard to date and find companionship if they lack assertiveness and confidence in a productive way. I’ve been coaching for 15 years and this topic is the greatest challenge as a mentor and confidant for these young men. There really isn’t even a close 2nd to this.
Thanks for all you do in uplifting these young men. I did not have someone like you in my life and I became a harmless nonassertive feminist ally and thought the best thing I could do was be 'a nice guy' and never objectify or sexualize women. It did not go well. My father was an alcoholic and was not present during my formative years I just played video games to escape.
Politically it’s been easier to demonize men for being powerful and greedy or selfish then to win them as voters by offering them something of value. If I’m a corporation I like paying woman less and also paying men less. So if I’m a corporation I really love this situation where there are no families and people are just slaves to corporations.
I think a big problem for young men is that a lot of the man o sphere is seen as the only source, even though that man-o-sphere is really toxic and motivated by money. Role model work best in real life, like reach out to someone that you respect and that conducts themselves well. Online, it's more of just a business where making money is really seen as more important than all else.
Thats why all Hollywood’s bad guys are white men. There is no NAACP or LGBT or Womens rights group for white men…if there was they would be demonized like Jordan Peterson is always.
Talking about this issue without at least suggesting that there's something wrong with women's behaviour is disingenuous. A good example of this is when Krystal framed the income issue as men NEEDING to be the breadwinner without acknowledging that women in fact typically WANT a man with at least the same income level as she has, and preferably more. Talking about these issues with women can be so frustrating because women, even if they want to hear what you say, and want to be helpful, just absolutely cannot see that women as a sex might have some societally harmful behaviours. A good example of this was in a Finnish newspaper just the other day, when a mostly good article was published where some psychologist woman talked about how dating apps and such make forming relationships so much harder these days. But she also framed the issue in favour of women and vilifying men, saying that in dating apps it's now easy for men to have multiple simultaneous partners and not settle down with anyone, implying that women would not do that or even want to do that. But I know for a fact that women DO do that, and it's so much easier for them to do so as well. Women need to step out of the victimhood bubble and start thinking in terms that correspond with reality. I don't know any men who would say that men as a whole don't have lots of issues or that we don't cause problems to society. Women still cannot do the same, women cannot admit their own faults even when they try to be helpful and understanding.
This had the exact amount of self analysis that I thought a comment on this video would have: ABSOLUTELY ZERO. There are facts, statistics and all of recorded history to support women being the victims. Ever hear of a warlock being burned at the stake? No, but you sure have heard of witches being burned at the stake. Also, telling women to stop being victims while laying out a detailed rant about how men are victims? Peak irony.
It's not even about someone caring about me. I can handle the world not caring about me, and even being alone for the most part. What I do care about is being exploited to the max on top of it, while being told at the same time I'm the cause of humanities problems
I know what you mean, that is why I am looking for all means that I can to ensure the wealth I generate is mine alone. Tax fraud is a moral good for a man at this point.
@@peterthegreat996 Voting is pointless. The entire system is bought and paid for since day one. The people are genuinely powerless regardless of which country you come from.
@@darinsingleton3553 It's an old 4chan meme. It just shows where she came from at this point really. Funny enough, it's a rather derogatory meme, but I'm sure it got her some instant recognition when she started with it.
In 2006 my Psychology professor who worked with students and prisoners said, "Men have lost the things that made them men, regardless if you think those things are immoral or not, we have zero support system for them".
@@EagleZtoTheGravethere is no patriarchy. Only economics. Women were second class citizens bc they couldn't work and be mothers at the same time. That was fixed by technology...aka the birth control pill.
Back in the early 1970s, Phillip Slater wrote a book, "The Pursuit of Loneliness" in which he argued that technology alienates people from nature, their work, and other humans. Social media, self-checkout, and hundreds of other technological "advances" seem to confirm this argument.
I think you are absolutely on the right track. This conversation excludes introverted males who are quite comfortable being left "alone". Extroverted males (which by the way, my belief is that 80% of the population is Extroverted) are being hurt by our society being less "touchable" everything is about interfacing with a screen or some kind of computer/console. This hurts extroverted males and I think that's where the conversation needs to go.
@@insidejah9293 the problem is not so much technology, it's the way capitalism is geared to gravitate towards that which makes the most money and to devalue things that don't bring as much money, regardless of how useful those things are. A programmer will always make more money than a plumber, but that doesn't mean plumbers aren't important, we just devalue jobs that are largely based on hard labor which are traditionally male roles.
Norah Vincent literally did an experient called self made man where she pretended to be a man for 18 months to see the patriarchy from the mens pov and found it incredibly awful and said she couldn't wait to go back to being a woman. Her quote "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together."
We need our spaces. Our spaces were work spaces. We did pretty much all the indispensable work back then, and we do pretty much all the indispensable work besides having babies, doctoring and nursing today. And let's be frank about 80% of the publishing in nursing is written by males. Women have mostly gummed up the workspace, A very great deal of what they do is slow down businesses. And for this they think they're equal. The only thing you can really do is laugh at it.
@@fluxonite Well until the next study is done it will be cited, as is standard. Do you also get upset that Roe v Wade was constantly looked back upon and cited as a source in abortion discussion/legislation?
it is not uncommon, it is sort of the last leverage that therapists have, that you will make your family sad. perhaps that is why the male rates are higher around the time the parents are dying.
I am pretty happy now, but I have said this before. If anyone needs help. Talk to folks. Even if it's me, I don't mind. I had to talk to a doctor about it before, and it did help. It's hard, but people do care. In this case, they may only b random folks online, but they are slowly trying to find you a voice. Don't give up. Never give up.
When I was a kid, I had a teacher that picked on me, made a series of humiliations, and on her own words she justified "Just because you are not like your sister". She did teach my older sister, every time she meet with my mother she said bad things about me. I was a quiet kid, didn't make trouble at all. Never understood why she did that. Every time I wonder if she died, you know, that makes all the bad memories go away. XD
same mines a little different though i was constantly talked down to and degraded by this girl in my class and i let it go bc shes was just a girl and it didnt bother me much but one day she really pissed me off and i started talking trash back and the teacher who ignored all the words she said to me months leading up to this had the nerve to tell me that i was the one who needed to calm down. i looked that jerk straight in his face and said i dont know who you think you are getting all upset about what i said when this girl mocks me everyday. didnt hear shit from the principle bc the jerk knew i was right and he would be in big trouble if i actually told someone. the KIDS in the class eventually came to my aid when she told me i was a loser with no friends and it wasnt the women who helped it was the boys the freaking kids helped when a grown adult just sat there and excused it.
Being compared to your older, female sister who is a better student under that same teacher is so annoying and I wish they could understand that it did not motivate me in anyway whatsoever. It made me not wanna do anything that could possibly bring that teacher any amount of pride.
I have the same story, that female teacher once humiliated me in front of the whole class for 40 minutes, just because my mother was a teacher in the same school and she probably didn't like her. What a bitch, I hope there's a karma for her. Two of my bullies at school are already dead, died in their 30s, so karma could be in fact real, I guess.
When I was in highschool I was a tutor in the math lab. I tutored some girls but the majority of the time I spent as a math tutor was undoing years of discrimination from their majority female teachers. These boys were actually great at math more often than not but they all had stories of their teachers humiliating them. It reminded me of my fourth grade teacher who would create random public humiliation sessions in class (boys only of course) for boys who misspelled a hand written word, or other Grammer mistakes.
I had that happen to me when I was in first grade. My teacher would hold up my math paper and encourage the class to laugh at how stupid my wrong answers were. She’d do it to all of the kids who got the bottom grades. When she was done humiliating me I’d join right in laughing at the next “stupid” kid because at least it wasn’t my turn to be crapped on anymore. It was horrible. She would just individually yell at kids who couldn’t read and spell though. I guess she had to change up her routine a bit. 😢 It’s amazing I learned anything.
I've tutored university biochem labs and they are 90% women now. Yet they still go on that they need to support women in stem it's messed up. We need to support men in stem.
I’ve noticed that everyone was quick to say “it’s not women, it’s not feminism”. But it is very much feminism that is a huge contributor to this. There were books written by feminists in THE EARLY 90s that very much predicted this exact problem, but the feminist movement chose to ignore it and ostracize these writers. So now everyone is surprised that exactly what they said would happen is happening? This is exactly what happens when you fundamentally change the dynamics of the genders and choose to leave out what happens to one of them in your plan. It was fun when you got to laugh at us and say “haha male tears”, but now the chickens are come home to roost. Not so funny now is it?
“The patriarchy: a social system in which power is held by men, through cultural norms and customs favour men and withhold opportunity from women.” “But men are more undereducated, poor, lonely and depressed than women and have less opportunities?” “Yes. That’s also the patriarchy.”
yes I imagine the pressure of being expected to be the strong one and all creates a sense of alienation. like a gifted child being expected to overachieve at everything then quickly feeling isolated and like they dont belong anywhere once they realise they cant do everything at 110% capacity all the time
Ironically, it was the right wing in the 80's-2000's that constantly told people that the solution to everything was "hard work"..... Nowadays you hear upper class men and a lot of women say that most male problems are due to laziness and not getting academic credentials.
As a man I not only feel lonely, but the expectations put upon me are huge I feel like I need to be perfect, academically intelligent, athletic, handsome, financially stable(enough to start a family), good with words and have skills in every part of life. All I want is to find someone who I can be innocent with, and live my life as a child until I die. I dont want to put anyone else in this world, just want to be in peace and die I am never enough, never accepted, always judged and rejected Just want it all to stop I want to end it
Good day, I more or less agree with you. From what I have noticed in the past 35 years. It starts at a young age. For example, in the case of swimming. Girls have some right of thinking over how much they want to cover and uncover. As far as serious swimming is concerned fo pre-teen boys, it's a pair of swim briefs, whether or not any of these boys are truly comfortable in wearing so little in front of girls. At least adult women in bikinis still have their tops on. Corporate globalism has increased the pressure on males since the end of the Cold War. Being a rising star, earning $ x million before age 30 and so on. Despite some of these rising stars have been overrated, such as Sam Bankman-Fried, the pressure to succeed big in the fastest possible way is still significant.
You should not aim to live as a child, you should aim to grow as a man, as an individual. This means you need to decide what you want, a practical and achievable goal, based on what you want, not what other people say you should want. Then just set about going after it, by deciding what you want you will discover yourself, by chasing it you will grow.
effin shoot me now...this potato on head....We've had 50 years of 'progress' and the answer to our problems is more of the same. Give us more handouts from the government...smdh...
This year in the UK its currently 60% girls to 40% boys started university. And this gap is growing every year by about 1%. Couple this with the issue that boys dropout at a higher rate than girls then you can see the huge gap in education between the genders. Also there are DOZENS of female programs and government schemes to help girls into higher education and there are literally NONE for boys. In fact the last time a politician tried to bring this issue up in parliament he was shamed and pilloried out of the room.
Those programs to help women started because woman use to only make up around 40% of university students. Funny how when women are the minority, they have to help women, and when men are the minority, they’re still helping the women
This was already true two decades ago. There were zero scholarships for men, because that'd be sexist, but many were exclusively for women (not sexist) or "ungendered" with noticeable selection bias towards women - again not considered sexist.
also any mens domestic violence clinic gets bullied into failure in every country. It seems its just okay to openly hate men in a way that isnt okay for people, because to society men are not people.
Been dragging myself through life for the past decade because I can't put my mom through the pain of burying her only son. I wouldn't feel so goddamn shitty if I could just get a job interview in my career field, but since I can't seem to get past resumé scanning software, I have to settle for work that pays 2-3 times less than jobs I'm qualified for... The loneliness epidemic is largely a reflection of systemic failures of this brutally indifferent economy and country.
I feel you on this point. What gets me is when I see all the job postings in my field with media stories of how there's a real worker shortage 😢. I've started literally counting my blessings to keep my chin up.
Dude, I am right there with you. Hitting the same exact road blocks and then some. I never took solace in knowing that other people are suffering but it gives me a shred of hope that we may yet turn this around.
Dude I don’t know how old you are. I assume I’m a bit older being in my early forties. I got diagnosed with bipolar disorder as a 23 year old. Years with struggling mentally and physically. It was tough and nothing seemed to work. The thoughts rushed constantly through my head. Screaming horrific thoughts until everything broke. I’m here and over a few years. I instituted a couple of things that I think are worth trying. The first thing is create yourself a rigid routine. Repeat repeat repeat with purpose and don’t break the cycle. Nothing big but small things like exercise the same time every day. I would shave at the same time every day. Looking directly at the mirror and as I finished say out loud “it’s just in your head” go to sleep at the same time. Do these small things religiously and then add something to it. Just a thought and everyone is different. But the body and brain will reward you with just routine. Keep adding things and don’t break the commitment to yourself. It seems a bit out there but it changed my life and I’m now a different person that is healthy with bipolar.
@@Sukharno2121 Exactly -- this is the 'true nature' and 'survival of the fittest' in it's truest form. Internet, Twitch/OnlyFans, more Women graduating, all these things just broke all traditional roles.
@@SteveJonesOwnsDSP Yeah it's a great thing that the vast majority of young men are doing poorly. Especially academically. If half the people in the US are doing poorly, it must be their fault.
All I can say is that I am one of these men. I am sad. I am lonely. No, I'm not an incel. No, I don't feel like women owe me anything. But I am human. It is very human to want someone to care about you, to love you, and to hold you. That desire has been twisted into the lie that just because I want these things, that I feel I am owed them. I have accepted that I will continue to be ignored the more I age. I'm 38 now. The older I get, the more women simply won't want me even more. I have given up. I'm not even asking for a pity party though. I would settle for the world opening their eyes to at least acknowledge our plight. One of the biggest hurdles I have had to get over is just accepting this reality that so many men find themselves in. To press on. I am here; I am living; but I feel like an empty shell. I wanted a family. I wanted a wife to love. I wanted children to love. You might be wondering how I got to this point. How, exactly, does a man find himself feeling this alone? Men have two options: to ask women out in person and to ask women out online or through dating apps. Note that women asking men out is not included here because it simply doesn't happen. The onus is upon men to make this happen. At one point, women cried out about men approaching them at the gym, at the grocery store, on the streets, in the workplace, and everywhere in-between. Some men ignored this and continued to push the boundaries - they are the assholes. But there were also men who cared, listened, and sympathized with women on this issue and decided they didn't want to touch the possibility of being called a creep from asking women out in person with a ten foot pole. So, they stopped doing that; the first option was off the table. The second option, to ask women out online and through apps, turned out to be a disaster. Every man will tell you his stories about messaging dozens and even hundreds of women, or swiping right on them, resulting in no matches. It kills the self-esteem of men. To add insult to injury, every video out there on this subject is about what men are doing wrong; how you can improve your chances; what you're doing wrong with your profile; etc, with not a peep about how women never ask men out to begin with. After a while, you feel like you cannot ask women out in person or online. You give up. And now we're here. Don't complain about it - if you do, you will be labeled an incel or women will find your desire to be held as unattractive. An extra layer to this is everything surrounding marriage. Many men feel like it's a rigged system. There are stories of prenuptial agreements being thrown out by family courts; lawyers convincing women that simple arguments you had in the marriage can be misconstrued as verbal abuse when it comes to the divorce; a 50% divorce rate; the fact that women get custody of the children most of the time and frequently levy false accusations against men, such as the man being a pedophile, just to get the courts to hate him; alimony payments; child support payments. It comes to a point where marriage begins to feel like an incredibly huge financial risk. And yet the US government is now surprised that the birthrate is at an all time low. But don't complain about any of that or you will be sorted into the category that pick up artists and incels are in. We suffer in silence. It is no surprise that it has been the tiktok and youtube channels run by women who talk about these issues that have become the most popular ones to address these issues. Women are the only ones who can get away with talking about this stuff because they won't be labeled an incel. Like I said though - the damage has already been done. Many of us men are getting too old to date anyone. We are sitting back and watching. We are hoping that things will be better for the younger men so at least they can have a better chance if these issues are addressed.
Thank you for sharing Rex, I'm sorry and feel really bad to know that men have been ignored and even oppressed in society. I know what Shoeonhead is talking about when it comes to being online on Tumblr in the 2010s and reblogging and following soft anti-men posts. It's not a good message at all to teach women. Thankfully, I met someone who showed me information and stats of men today when it comes to dating/marriage/divorce. I hope you find yourself someone who loves you regardless of your age. ❤
Big facts. This has precisely been my experience as well. Thank you for articulating it so well. I too have given up, and am much happier for it. Sure I am lonely, but that beats thousands of rejections, even from women, obviously below your standards. Now I just live for myself alone.
@@Lagi42800 Feminism said this was wrong. It said men are not human beings, but "oppressors", and after that point, it was okay to treat us as less than human.
I can’t believe I’m listening to the 80/20 rule on Breaking Points. It was so interesting to learn that most women on dating apps are sharing the same group of tall stud muffins who are dating a different woman every night. lol. No wonder women complain of all the non-committing men online.
If anything that should encourage dudes to touch grass and go to a bar to meet women. A woman isn't bringing a tape measurer with her at a bar to make sure a guy is 6ft tall. People are a lot less likely to have automatic dealbreakers irl if you vibe with them in person. The algorhythm's of most dating sites are not designed to find you a 1st date,they are designed for you to stay a customer on their dating site. A bar on the other hand is designed for you to be less inhibited and have a good time.
Being tall isn't necessarily a prerequisite for getting endless female attention. I'm 5'6" and I spent a few years sleeping around with woman I met on tinder. I had a new girl every few weeks. It was an endless amount of flings. Good times 😊
Assuming the number of straight men and women are roughly the same. If a bunch of men are lonely and it's not the case for women, mathematically it can only be that multiple different women are dating the same men. If all men are committed to a single partner, then there should be a roughly equal number of lonely women.
I'm glad you're still covering this. Every male younger than me in my family, every single one, is depressingly single, has given up on dating for years, and doesn't find any reason to leave their homes save for family events. They have good jobs, homes, and personalities, yet still... they don't blame anyone for, nor understand, their predicament. Some problems are bigger than government policies and technological advancements. Sometimes, a culture collapses because they forget what it means, what it takes, to truly love your fellow citizen. We may have become capatlists, wholly transactional, even within the sacred spaces of love...
Thanks for this BP gang. Boy when my husband comes home tonight, Imma gonna hug him and tell him he is the best thing that's happened to me. My heart breaks for these young men.
My brother is married with four children, oldest 18 youngest 11. He works 50-60 hours per week and most weekends is working side jobs for extra money. My sister in law does not work. He asked if she could get a part time job to help while the kids are in school. Her response was, "Why don't you make more money!" His 18 year old brought him to tears when she asked "Why are you still with her? We would all choose to live with you if you filed for divorce. I'll put off college and get a job to help as long as it's not under the same roof as Mom."
I have ABSOLUTE ZERO issues with women making more money than me. The issue is most women want a partner who makes more money than them. Who the person is isn't as important as their income. Economics affect relationships way too much.
This is a major problem whenever women's academics and career aspects in life thrive but they don't shift the expectation they have for men. Men are still expected to provide as if women progressed in these areas. It's great that they have but to also expect your partner to still be ahead of you in a major way is too much of an expectation
A lot of women see Men as Walking Wallets. It's that, or their profession -- because they will have to go out with their friends and they gossip 'what does he do? how much does he make?' are the only key questions.
Do you think maybe generalizing women like that is keeping you from meeting someone awesome? We run in different circles if you think women only care about your money.
@@spicymemes7458no there is plenty of data to support what he's saying. Women overwhelmingly date men who are "better at life" than them in many areas and never date down.
@@spicymemes7458 He didn't say women. He said most women. And polls have borne out that most women do indeed want someone who makes more money than they do, even among the rich, for whom that consideration should largely be moot.
It's nearly impossible to speak publicly about these issues as a man. I'm right in the middle of it. Especially in left circles. I've seen men bring this up before in leftist discord servers and they get absolutely shit on. I don't really understand why other than to think that some women really think that men's lives are so advantaged and easy that it's ridiculous to complain about male issues. I don't think people understand that the advantage only exists with rich men. Nothing about being a blue collar man is easy. Especially a leftist. Conservative women respect blue collar work from men waaaaay more then women on the left generally.
Vaush has talked about it. Ana Kasparian has also talked about it (although she has moved right on some issues recently). And to be fair, many other leftists hate Vaush for some reason.
If you ask a woman what's the difference between GHz and GB or "pass me a Phillips bit, my bad its a torx" or to please park the car while you handle something at the front desk... it becomes evident why they live an entirely different experience than the average man. And why they believe there's a magical side entrance exclusively for men. Pair that mental disconnect with their media consumption; mean girl reality TV, poolside dating, hallmark movies or Dateline horror stories... That is the driver that gets out of that beautiful supercar.. Delusion, fantasy, and ineptitude....and eventually, resentment.
I've thought this too, that the criticisms of men from the left are really about the elite men, and the equality feminism wants access to are the elite benefits. No feminist says they want to be able to do back breaking work supporting a family only to have it all taken away from them, or increase the amount of female homelessness. I think the male world itself is competitive and pretty stratified into winners and losers. Men face lots of difficulties, they're often of a different nature than the ones women face but its not like they aren't real.
You hit the nail on the head. Not just gender issues but also race. I have more in common with a person of the opposite sex and race who is also a member of the working class, regardless of political leanings, than I have with a rich person who shares my immutable characteristics. This was considered self evident until the wealthy decided to crush the Occupy movement then replace it with culture wars and pseudo activist capitalism. I've seen people I agree with on economic and social policies claim that the man who votes Republican who works 12 hours a day at the factory is the "enemy" but the Washington insider who rakes in millions by serving corporate elites is an "ally" because they wear a rainbow pin or kneel for the national anthem. The modern "left" has completely lost perspective and I don't know if it's fixable.
That first comment about buddy not wanting to off him self because it would make his Mom sad hit, way too close to home. Keep your heads up my friends. This may sound sadistic. But suffering is our birthright and death has to earn the right to take us. Again though to all y’all. Much love. 🖤
@@donovan4222 this is getting too ridiculous -- to the point of romanticizing their situation. People have lived with loneliness since the dawn of time; no one is special in this regard
It's not just that men think they should be "bread winners." It's that everyone does! Protectors and providers is the male version of nurturers and mothers. It's a box we put men in. Women included. Women especially. Couple this with hypergamy and dating apps and I think you've got most of the contemporary picture on dating. The rest I think is rooted in how we've approached reform in the last 100 odds years. We've made things easier for women and maybe not actively harder for men but relatively harder, if that makes sense. We reformed schools but took no interest in how the basic structure of school might favor women, for example. In general, we help women. We don't really help men.
Lol. The number of women I've run into who have benefited from workplace sexism (i.e. being promoted to senior roles because of their gender to check DEI/ESG boxed) and also say "I can't date a man who makes less than I do" is insane. It's actually the norm in most big city dating markets now. Meanwhile, everyone says "gee....wonder why the classic relationship model is broken" Yea, I wonder why.
Define the number “insane?” And how many people do you know ? At least a few million for your observation to carry weight…although its only an opinion you’ve made , without proof. Please also provide proof.
What annoys me as a father is this. Years ago I started reading, watching videos and following feminist voices because I wanted to be a good father and I learned a lot about how some stereotypes and such perpetuated negative views of women. We're in 2023 and so many of these voices just keep painting men as the ones to blame for everything but how are we raising our young boys? The kids that were born 10+ years ago are just becoming men now and they're just joining a society that blames them for everything and hates them. How many young men are lonely, depressed, without motivation or purpose in life and when you just say those things there are these women just telling them "that's because you're a bad person". I lived my life, I don't care what happens to me, but I care about my son and it's just sad to think about his future.
Society only hates the men that paint themselves as victims when they relate to historic villains and get called out for it. So, if you're having trouble, stop relating to the villains. Most of us aren't having any problems.
growing up I was the same I wanted to help women because i never had a mother and now its just men are trash. I saved women from abusive men I helped women off the street never has there been a time where a woman made me even satisfied and I just feel so duped and so broken I did so much to be a good man and it turned out they still pick the bad men and do nothing even half to equal in helping men and its just horrible
As someone from the right, I've been really proud of June and the way she handles her politics over the years. She's lefty but not cringe so it's easier to listen to her and not cringe my ass off.
As a lefty who hates the identity politics, man-hating, race and gender-mania inundating the left, finding a fellow lefty who is like me, is like a glass of cold water after trudging through a desert.
Like many of us say and know @sevenguage89 the majority of us are in the middle somewhere sharing more beliefs and values than any media left or right would care to report
Hey man, I feel you. Generally speaking, most people aren’t gonna wanna date someone unless they find them sexually attractive. Nobody wants to admit to that, but, for most people (#NotAll), it’s true. Let’s be honest. I assume we wouldn’t wanna date girls if they were like 500lbs. Dating apps are very bad for men, because, ultimately, it does come down to how you look, and women are especially pickier than men. If you get in shape, put on muscle, dress well, and take good photos of yourself, it might be worth it. But you need to try and understand aspects of the female gaze that we, as men, aren’t going to be innately aware of, like “icks” for example. That being said, there is a threshold of physical attraction below which, you’d be best off avoiding them, because constant rejection will severely damage your mental health.
Shoe rocks and is one of the few normal people who has built a huge platform for herself on the internet. Plus, she has an awesome sense of humor and irony that allows her to do satire in the most effective and entertaining way.
@@ROOSTER333of course! She had to “use” a man to get ahead. If you don’t know them personally, don’t make wild assumptions or comment on personal details of their lives. Just a little helpful tip for you.
@@BeastWreckI can think of at least three different examples of this off the top of my head, including a guy who was working a job he hated to put his sister through college, it's in mens nature to give to women and women are happy to exploit that
As a man who has college degrees and never landed a job in that field... THAT'S why we are dropping out of college. We found out it was a waste of time and money.
Valid. There has not been a distinction between 'toxic-masculinity' and 'masculinity'. I raised this question at University a handful of years ago and got pushback on the idea that a distinction ought to be made between what is toxic and what is masculine. Academics are working hard on teaching (predominantly) young women that masculinity is toxic.
They don't care though. Like June said in her video, it's always a case of "how do we get men to come and help us?" and never just "how do we help men?" Which is ironic when you think about it. The idea that men are the people who do things and everyone else are the people who things are done for is completely disempowering to the everyone else and yet they're doing it to themselves. The left is still rooted in a patriarchal mindset even while it pretends to itself that it isn't. It needs to do some soul searching and actually root out its own patriarchal biases or it will never be able to achieve its ends.
Gee I can not imagine why men are doing poorly in a place that is constantly telling them that they are scum, and that every evil in the world is their fault.
Male loneliness snowballs and compounds in a number of different ways. The fewer friends you have, as a man, the less people trust you. It is a natural instinct. It is also greatly exacerbated by people spending so much time on electronics as opposed to in-person, social events, and interactions.
Yep, it’s very easy to see more people spending way too much time online .. they watch too much doomer content like this and then wonder why they are miserable and lonely..?!? So many would benefit from exercise and just going outside more often
Funny, my instinct is to be immediately skeptical of people who have many friends. I think to myself, "are they an attention junkie? Superficial? Goes with the herd because they're afraid to be alone? Maybe they're just awesome and likable." Often I find people with many friends to be kind of chameleon like, and do things just to make friends and retain that social appearance of popularity.
Nicely stated. And the same is true for male-female relationships. The guys who are married or attached are 'more attractive' because they have someone. So the single women look at the single men and think, 'he's a loser. I'd rather chase that other guy who is already in a relationship.'
@@rodiusmaximusIt does make sense for women to think like this especially if they have experienced abuse and violence in the past as they have to be more selective because if a women dates an abusive man it is always her fault and not his and more women are now just not dating men anymore. It is a minority of women who want to be the "side chick".
Goes to show you that we lack a lot of empathy in our society and it’s not just for men but as a whole. Ever since the Internet got invented, everyone has turned into extremists at the comfort Of their own home. Arguing and hating on, people is easy because you don’t see them visually in person, and because of that you look at them as less than human.
Women aren't chasing the top 20%, just being over 6 feet tall makes you in the top 15% (in America) and earning over 6 figures puts you in the top 17%, having both is in top 1% territory. Dating apps were a mistake and should be gotten rid of, people need to meet each other organically again and get their expectations based on reality.
I’m not in the top 20% and I have no Problem attracting women .. the guys that claim you have to be in the top 20% to be attractive to women are wrong . Men just don’t know how to talk to women and try too hard to impress with wealth or material goods
The issue is not dating apps. Women have been entertaining delusional requirements forever. Dating apps are still not great, mind you. But they do have a place in our current society where many people don't have time to socialise much after work, and are frowned upon for trying to find mates at work too. They shouldn't support these dumb requirements, though.
Notwithstanding your point is valid overall, the overlap between height and income is actually quite high. So the likelihood that a 6ft+ man makes 6 figures is much higher than 1%. The overlap is going to be quite large.
I'd like to point out that about *75% of online dating users are JUST MEN*. 10-15% of "female" profiles are bots, then we'll say another 5% are using OLD to market for their OF/ p*rn platforms. So out of the remaining 25% of profiles (which is already low enough), that leaves only about 5-10% are women looking for a genuine connection. That means: 1. The imbalance of men to women is not going to work in men's favor no matter who the women are going for. If women were all going for the shortest guys, you still would be left out. 2. Most women aren't even using the apps so most men are actually looking in all the wrong places. Not to mention the fact that online dating is solely designed to be shallow & make your primary decision based on shallow things... Men absolutely do it too. Pretty boys tend to take better pictures by working the angles & lighting, they also use filters or even get professional ones done. Average men do not seem to put that much effort into their profiles which also does not work in their favor. Lastly, online dating is a big business now. If it were meant to result in successful matches, they'd lose a lot of users & therefore money. It may have been meant to work at the beginning, but it's now all about maintaining profit. It's also become a playground for sociopaths, serial cheaters & relationship/ hookup hoppers. I honestly don't understand why men even use them anymore if they're just making the male collective feel like sh*t. So I 100% agree. Let those others have the apps & the rest who want genuine connection go back to doing it the old ways that worked for as long as we've existed.
Totally agree… I’m 53 and I’ve never had a woman care about me,not even for a short time.. despite being told by everyone I’m such a great person, I’ve never had a truly affectionate hug
The unfortunate truth is that no man (or person), is owed this. You can't force woman to care about you, so you'll have to learn to deal with it, or increase your value in some way
@@Anotherhandle_name I appreciate that, I get the side hugs from friends wives and that kind of thing, and that’s fine but that’s not what feeds your soul,people say a man needs confidence,how does one find confidence when no woman will spend time with him or touch him and I’m not talking sexually,just a pat on the back would be nice from time to time,
"When you ask yourself "Why am I not putting an end to my suffering?" and my only argument is "It would make my mother sad." This is 100% me 9 years ago. She was the only person that helped keep me going and it literally saved my life. I'm glad that I listened and said "No" when I considered just "giving up". My quality of life has improved a lot. I'm still lonely with not knowing what it's like to be in love, but at least I'm able to enjoy life and experience happiness.
@@ucnguyenanh9414 Do you get off on rubbing salt in other people's wounds? Yes, he did, but he was wrong. He scarred his entire immediate family for life. I got to the point of considering "self-deletion" twice, but I said no every time and I'm glad I did. My life eventually got a lot better. My uncle could have had a better life if he held on a bit longer. Less than one year after he passed, the medical industry came out with a new medication to treat the condition that he had. The results were very positive as most people's condition improved with little to no side effects.
12:10 I think Krystal missed the point here. Shoe0nHead actually didnt say men WANT to be the breadwinner, but rather that they are EXPECTED to out earn partners in order to attract them. I think this is a rather harmful misinterpretation of the big picture and the issue, which is double -standards. i.e. in a world where you are told you can be whatever you want to be, there are still double standards and expectations that disqualify you from aspects of life (in this case dating).
It also sets mutually exclusive and contradictory expectations - we need to get rid of the wage gap (which we measure by averages) but men still have to earn more than women to attract them
@@Alticroo I do know couples where the woman earns more than the man, and that is increasingly common. But the persistant lie about the gender wage gap is not helping women to adjust to more realistic expectations. Surely if men outearn women there should be loads of potential providers, she must assume!
@@Kylephibbsky Not only that, but if he offers the choice to the mother, she will choose to stay at home, so these aren't roles forced on women by men. Feminists completely misrepresent whose decisions shape gender roles.
As a male, thank you for your support. It won't be easy, from both sides, to hold that view. Sadly some men are very bitter and may react negatively to support, but if ever that's the case, don't let that deter your stance. And thank you for standing against popular current.
"The solution to male loneliness is literally just being a better person" - I guarantee that this is coming from a person who says "okay boomer" anytime someone gives her advice along the lines of pulling herself up by her bootstraps.
I dunno. I was a really shy teenager, and it reminds me of "just be yourself". "But I don't know what that is", I would have replied had I thought of things in those terms back then. "The solution to male loneliness is literally just being a better person" is so much more obnoxious though, not least of which because it follows that if you're lonely, it's because your quality as a human being is insufficient. Great, great advice to give someone who's depressed.
Imagine conservatives telling women "Ummm have you tried not murdering babies?" as a solution for their problems. Absolute brain rot from the "progressives".
@@Aw3someOpZ what a dumb comparison. that's like those people that say that doing drugs is the same as eating chocolate too often or drinking a few glasses of wine or whatever. cmon now. i could understand if your definition of not being lonely is suddenly finding a perfect top model wife and having a bunch of kids and being a millionaire that is a part of the local community or whatever. but that's the equivalent of saying that having a vehicle means having a bugatti, or that avoiding starvation means eating those 1000 dollar fancy japanese steaks that come from cows that get massages and that listen to music and everything to make them relax and make the meat more tender. maybe you are not good with women, but there is no excuse for being lonely in the sense of being alone and not knowing anyone. there are so many things that you can do. go fly a remote controlled toy airplane or a remote controlled toy car, go jump off a cliff with a parachute or one of those wingsuits that allow you to glide, go to the mountains to ride down those bicycle trails and maybe even learn how to do the jumps or whatever, get a motorcycle and go meet with people and ride around, go fishing, go build sandcastles.. whatever the heck. it doesn't matter. you can find groups of people that are doing literally anything that you can imagine. just pick something that you like and go and do it and you will meet people. shit, even just bringing your dog to the dog park will allow you to meet people. there is no excuse. even if you say that you are socially handicapped and that you have trouble talking to people, you can still find something. i just read a message above in which the guy mentioned something about how he is now a level 19 elf arcane trickster in a computer game, whatever that means. said that he did it because his friend asked him to try it, and that he liked it and had fun. and i'm sure you can meet nerds like that in real life too.. so not being good at talking with people and being a shy and reserved person is not an excuse. you can meet people like that and they themselves will probably be very happy to have a new person to talk to and maybe even become friends with over the years.. who knows? you can't know until you go out and try it. so yeah, if someone says that they can't even meet a group of shy and like-minded nerds to have fun with and interact with, then there is something wrong with that person. either he is not even trying, or he is just a crappy person to the point where even the nerds that have issues with meeting people don't want anything to do with such a person. and who knows, if you do this, maybe you will even meet someone and fall in love and everything. sure beats sitting alone staring at a computer monitor and complaining about how everything sucks. that will do you no good. also think about your expectations and don't exaggerate. maybe you wanna date taylor swift and be friends with bill gates, but that's not just gonna fall out of the sky for you. you are gonna have to work your way there.
@@jessejordache1869 Funny how "just be yourself" is applied to dating, but "fake it till you make it" is for work. I would also add that "just be a better person" is so similar to feminists telling all men to learn not to grape.
@@thomaspeck430 She does so it's funny hearing her use "like" a lot as a nervous tick here. I guess she doesn't typically do live stuff though so maybe it makes sense to be nervous when she's known for her likely heavily edited videos. But she does have a larger subscriber base currently.
@@obiwankenobi661Establishment media is dead so more people are going to see you on the internet in a prerecorded on demand video than aired live during a specific time segment that you'd have to be there to catch.
I mentioned the dating app thing about 5 years ago on reddit. How thr majority of women only go for a few men and how easy dating apps are for them. They said it was "incel content" despite me providing links to articles supporting the case and permanently banned me. Look where we are now LOL.
Men I think are four more times as likely to use things like.. well I don't know the popular ones since I decided there was no room in my life for them, so it's a women's market among straight people. The problem is that people are taking things they're learning from dating apps and letting it form their opinions about the wider world. Men: women have unrealistic standards about everything, they're not nice, and they date up the social ladder. Women: Even the highest quality men are gross. Anyway my friends and I seem to be desired by everyone so "you go, girl".
I recall many years ago on social media, that women would be arguing about safety on college campuses or something. When solutions were presented such as learn martial arts or travel in groups, the women would just call the men "incels" for suggesting ways of protecting themselves.
@@rodiusmaximus I believe it. That word barely retains its original meaning anymore. It's just thrown around too freely. It's merely a standard, go-to insult for any man online that makes a solid point that can't be refuted. It's also funny how some women will claim body count doesn't matter and yet use "incel" as an insult. Why/how is that insult if body count doesn't matter? They refute their own logic lol.
Women: I'm gonna cheat on him and somehow convince myself I'm justified and actually I'm even doing him a favor. This is gonna teach him to be more fucking confident. No I'm fine bros I'm good.
...have you guys tried getting off dating apps and getting a hobby that involves other people and actually talking to women who aren't basic and vapid? The stuff you say sounds so ridiculous to people who meet normal women out in the world. Clearly these apps are filled with narcissists...get off. I met my partner of 7 years in a physics lab. She's great, and all these "characterization" of women ya'll speak about sound literally laughable in her context. Like she's shopping around for some "HiGh VaLuE mAn" 😂. She was a virgin when we started dating.
@@geometerfpv2804 I know enough about the problems of dating apps that I'm not interested in using them. And correct, get a hobby which allows you to meet people.
@@nategin9009 Not ironic, performative. It's just a performance of sympathy. It's certainly not empathy. They're not capable of it. Not even my own mother and sister are capable of it and they're the best women I know. The most loving.
From being an incel to trying to understand Feminist, the “just be a better person” is what drives men to frustration. I’m not worried about myself because I’m an adult, I worry about younger boys who are being told that being a man is “toxic”.
@@insomniacresurrected1000 Women only like men they can use. Or think they can use. So men have to be or appear useful, to keep women interested. Which is why unemployed men pretend to be doctors or rocket scientists when women ask what they do, to get women (which they do, as long as they can keep the illusion going). But still, what kind of life is that for men, having to always appear useful? Never be weak, never complain, never be tired on the weekends, and so on. I would like to turn the question around: what is there to like about women these days? Except for the obvious, which shouldnt be enough for any self respecting man.
The irony of this topic of men and Krystal Ball being a host who married a man for his millions then cheated on him and divorced him for that money. She can't pretend to care about men's bad situations in society when she is one of the perpetrators men are self deleting over and feeling betrayed in society over, ie, only being cared about for resources and not really being loved.
This is spot on. Thanks for talking about it. The comment that said "I just want someone to care about me other than my mom and dad." hit home in a big way.
Dating apps are great if you're in the top 20% looks wise, 8s 9s and 10s. If you're slightly above average, 5 6 7 you can get some dates or hookups if you make a lot of effort. If you're below average or ugly they are a complete waste of time. These apps are a force multiplier for all women and the top men. Men date down. Women date up. 30% of women are single and 60% of men are single because women would rather share a chad than date a normie.
"Men wouldn't be lonely if they were better people" meanwhile a LOT of women pick the loud jerk over the nice guy. Then they complain "all men are jerks!" when it all blows up in their face.
Those jerks woo them and then when they show their real face they get left. They end up lonely and angry. They die alone. Just ask nursing home workers that talk to these men confessing all their loud jerk behavior that made them alone in the end.
Shoe is amazing. I've known about her work since back in 2015. She always has her finger on the pulse. She knows what's going on and hardly ever misses.
To be honest, I started to see my husband just as a vulnerable human as me. Because now i had a son; and i could see him with no malice, no ill intentions, not hormone driven... just my little baby. It made me see my husband's love as more pure, deep, and real than i have ever experienced "being in love".
@@chiputimango br cringe somewhere else. This is not a safe space for maladjusted young men. This is a response section not entirely about the issue itself, but about the perception of men's issues by the general population. @FromDataMakeInfo s comment is relevant because she is saying that for all her life men were perceived to be super capable, as having all the cards, protected her, or were powerful, scary, or to be avoided. It took having a son to see that men have the same capacity for non-conditional love and the same capacity to be hurt as women. This isn't a unique experience for people.
@@chrissantos5580 meaningful archetypical narratives from wisdom traditions can and will help, it's how humanity learned and grew culture for tens of thousands of years. What do you think causes a meme to go viral? What does it mean to you for a story to impact billions? It's more than a simple fairy tale and there is plenty of wisdom to be gleaned from a good fairy tale as well. Just my .02.
@@danellclark5470gotta remember, not everyone follows the same faith. It is wrong to parade personal religious beliefs on others. Even Jesus let people have their own opinions in the Bible.
Red pillers call me a simp because my girlfriend has ten times the wealth as me. Since we started dating her father passed away and she inherited over two million dollars, so I guess that now makes me a beta.
Absolutely true. Online dating for a man is like screaming into the void and hoping to hear anything back. It makes you feel worthless as you see an empty inbox and ignored messages to those you supposedly are mutually matched to. Even worse when you hear women complain about apps for the exact opposite problem of having too much engagement.
Problem for women is unchecked predators. I tried playing an online game once . Other party asks me for sex in an online game of ludo. Can you imagine how much it makes a women insecure. Most women face catcalling or sexual harassment several times in their lifetime. It makes women extremely cautious. Who knows these things might be causing even psychological trauma in many women which gets triggered when even normal men approach. Personally I have faced groping and catcalling. At that moment, women will hate even themselves for being a women. Putting forward another perspective that it's not easy for women too when men approaches them. A lot of time it does make women uncomfortable. A lot of times it doesn't. Depends on people involved.
Also lots of women are scared of meeting the wrong guy . Many times women are also ghosted . Made to feel worthless. Many times our wishes and decisions have been ignored. So many times we hear statements like women are golddigger or women should only cook and raise children. Or women have it easy. That it fills your heart with disappointment no longer willing to go into any relationship. Just the other end of spectrum from a woman's perspective. Many great men and decent ones too exist. Proverb -mouth once burned of milk will drink even a cold drink with caution. Fits best for many women's life.
If they actually wanted to they could have interviewed the creator of the redpill movie and what she learned interviewing MRA people or a male content creator that speaks on men’s issues…. A perfect example would have been Kevin Samuels. This is just feel good journalism.
I' remember talking with a group of women from work who said they parcel out sex to their boyfriends and husbands according to what chores he's done around the house or what he's bought for them lately, each nodding to each other approvingly. When I said that makes both sex and love merely transactional and not at all based on desire and affection, I remember one saying, "He just doesn't get it," and a couple more nodding. Just a, "those are the rules of the game" attitude by women who shouldn't be thinking of relationships in terms of games and transactions if they want to have real relationships in the first place. Single mothers all, by the way. Not all of whom even had a relationship at the time. They didn't realize that in diminishing others, they had also diminished themselves. There's a reason that "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you" is called the Golden Rule. People just need to treat each other better and not so opportunistically if they want the world to be better.
@@spicymemes7458 Yup. A couple of them looked at me like I was crazy for not thinking that as long as the sex-contract was fulfilled according to their pretty cold-blooded transactional terms, a guy should feel fine about the way the relationship was working. I'm pretty sure that explained why they were alone. A good partner wants a partner, not a ... I don't know, thing to be used.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 I had one of those transactional dynamics before. I know it's wrong now, but back then, I thought that was the norm. I didn't know that was manipulation. I'm pickier now about who I sleep with. I just want it to have some weight, some importance when it happens.
@@spicymemes7458 I can understand that. Women have the most to lose, so they should be more picky than men, and want something dependable and substantive - both different ways of saying truly loving - in their lives. They especially should be trying to build a solid relationship rather than a blur of experiences that won't add up to a lot in the end and that may even tend to make them less able to form emotional attachments.
I saved sex for marriage, cause I wanted that to be my gift to my wife and only her. It completely intertwined all aspects of romantic love to my sexuality, and removed more mind games and excuses from the situation than I even thought possible when I first made that decision. I've had many attractive girlfriends who knew I'd never go all the way with them unless they married me, and it really worked wonders weeding out the "transactional" women you're talking about. Men, own your sex. Don't fall for the whole Tate "access to women" mirage that actually traps _you_ in a powerless cycle of being a slave to women like this. Those women are looking for men who are slaves to their instincts (i.e. "me want sex") so they can manipulate them til the sex gets old and they start fantasizing about a new model. On the flip side, the most attractive thing to a truly good woman who is _wife material_ is integrity, dependability, and proven self-control. Be like that, and find a woman like that yourself, and you'll do great. And sex with her will still feel like the best thing in the world! Escaping the life of an involuntary celibate means becoming attractive enough to no longer be celibate... _AND THEN,_ now that you hold all the cards to be a guy who sleeps around... _DON'T._ Instead, hold onto that value and prove you can keep it. Invest in your integrity, invest in your reputation, and you'll weed out the manipulators and find someone who wishes more men like you existed.
This is not only young single men. Im 47, married for over 20 years have a beautiful daughter and a decent job but I’m lonely. I have no one to talk to. I have no friends, the only one I had backstabbed me after more than 20 years of “friendship” . Tried having conversations with my wife but she is not interested in anything I have to say. It is what it is take your baggage of unfulfillments in life and move on guys.
"married for over 20 years" "Tried having conversations with my wife but she is not interested in anything I have to say" Damn. How does that even happen?
Please can we drop the notion that men feel somehow 'inferior' if a woman earns more money, men do not care emotionally how much a woman makes. The only time he would care is for practical reasons like building a future if in a committed relationship. Attaching emotion to resources is a feminine trait.
Thank you. I became a female men's rights advocate after my son committed suicide.
Incredibly sorry to hear that.
Damn, my condolences!! I'm a parent, I can't imagine!
So sorry for your loss. ❤
🙏🏽
You're in a valuable position to help save lives. Best of luck to you.
World - "Men need to reach out for help and be more vulnerable"
Also the World - "No, not like that. Ew"
What we really need is more female academics telling men what they should think, feel, desire, and respond to and that it should be the same thing that women do.
Because if a male academic said this of women, it would be incredibly well-received.
@@dhunter1133men's rights movement?
@@lancecook7225 No. MRAs use the language put forth by feminists to make a case for men, under the assumption that feminism seeks to be fair. It doesn't. At its inception that was the goal, but since its original objectives were achieved it's since morphed into an ideology for female supremacy, up to and including how men must change to serve in the best interests of women. What MRAs don't grasp is that within the structures of modern society, feminists do not perceive any value to masculinity that society itself cannot provide, and that is not going to change until society does. But right now, the powers-that-be continue to incentivize this split of the sexes for...reasons.
@@dhunter1133 Let's quote from one of Feminism's foundational documents, The Declaration of Sentiments (1848):
_"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her."_
Men's goal was never tyranny over women, it was their protection. From this point forward the Patriarchy is tyranny talk ensued despite at the time the largest nation on Earth being headed by a woman (Queen Victoria) and various wars being fought by men, against men, with little to no involvement of women whatsoever.
With the US having fought a war against the Barbary states who explicitly captured women and sold them into slavery. Feminism is ridiculous, always has been ridiculous and everyone can see right through it.
@@Shockguey - With no disrespect intended, I don't know that discussing the state of feminism 175 years ago is relevant. To me, that's no different than black activists demanding social justice over an institution that ended in 1865. The point is merely this: feminists in the 20th century had legitimate grievances concerning rights, representation, and personal freedoms that society ultimately addressed. If they had stopped there, everything might've been fine. Instead, the movement became an embodiment of the, "if I don't have everything I want, that means I'm being victimized" mentality that is pervasive in modern progressive thinking.
“[The] only [anti-suicide] argument is ‘it would make my mother sad.’”
That cuts deep.
Fax though.
Literally had that convo with a friend of mine two years ago and we both felt that way ngl
very
her and my brother honestly lmfaoooo
It's a thought that saved my life from my own self absorbed stupidity
Women : "you need to be more open about your emotions. "
Men : *Opens, and makes self vulnerable.
Women : "aight i'mma, head out..." 👻
Those kinds of people want men to be more open about their emotions, but not to THEM.
If you're going to make the suggestion, then stick around and listen because when that is said, it's being suggested that the person will hear them out.
Women say the opposite of what they want to see if you are stupid enough to believe them.
You guys do this with other guys.
@@missfaztudo9312 Yeah, thats wrong too. But you dont think that is for the same reason? The expectation of not being emotional is what is harming men, but its also enforced by men. Its similar to magazines of super skinny super models, and women put that pressure on other women. Now women dont have that pressure as much because they found out that men prefer women with curves. Problem solved for women, now its their turn to help solve the problems for men.
Nope, I deflowered him and shacked up with him. #NotAllWomen :P
Chris Rock joked that the only unconditional love a man gets is from his mother and his dog. And the older I get, the more true that statement has become
Don’t forget their dads…
fucking earn it babies...
That’s because men think loving relationships and having feelings is gay due to toxic masculinity
I dunno...the dog expects cookies just for going outside.
No woman or man should offer unconditional love. Everyone has boundaries and expectations.
"How dare men mention their suffering?" It perfectly illustrates how our society treats men.
Cause it takes away from the feminist victim narrative
Actually, the suffering is not mentioned by men. That’s at least half of the problem.
Yes but the problem is, these conditions were created by rich men.
We live in a society
@@rowsdower12in the comments section of this thread: 85% men who are screaming they are victims. really dumb, non critically thinking men as well. What is more likely why men can't make a comfortable living and attract a mate?
#1- staggering wealth inequality leading to less wages that haven't paced with inflation since 1977. a poor mental health Infrastructure short about 30,000 professionals. the lie of the American Dream. a willful rejection of college cause, ya know, its "liberal" and fear over any other identity group but them being empowered in ANY way...
or #2- feminism has run amok and women are mean as a result and they exist to laugh at men and cheer wildly when they fail.
what's more likely? go ahead and take all the time you need.
Saagar keeping a straight face when the phrase “these hoes need to get back in the kitchen” is uttered is pure professionalism. Respect.
I mean this is shit Andrew Tate has said.
Andrew Tate content is being consumed by a tiny fraction of lonely men. The comment was just one more attempt to put men in their place from the left. You are not allowed to be masculine. You are not allowed to have preferences in your partner.@@PSYxTV
Except that women overwhelmingly date across or up economic ladders while men date across or down ladders. Wealthy women and poor men are much less likely to find a partner
i mean we all agree. the ones who don't are progressives. a shame because at this point progressivism has to be a drug addiction. my question is will these people ever OD on their ideology?
@@peterroberts4415 Your morals/life choices/strategies/whatever you want to call them, are based on the statistics of human behavior? You're doomed to a less-than-average, miserable life.
Most single men I know don't really mind being on our own it's easier than dealing with the toxic misandry of modern society.
What we hate is the constant belittling, blaming and shaming.
No one genuinely likes loneliness. But yes, this is not the root of problem, just a nasty symptom.
@@heyhoe168he didn't say we like it, he said we don't mind it
@@quatreraberbawinner2628 exactly! we can adapt to difficult situations it dosent mean we love it or like it but we have no other option.
@heyhoe168 its not that we like it. Its that the other options are infinitely worse. "Ah yes let me go carry an abusive relationship where everything from the dog barking to her asshole itching is blamed on me"
Note this isnt all relationships, but its enough to not be worth the effort anymore. Especially when the price for me wanting out could be half my shit, my house, my car and being turned into a legalized slave.
It's sad seeing an entire generation of emotionally stunted dudes being systematically funneled into such a myopic and ignorant mindset. It's like a dumber version of Scientology.
Healthy masculinity means learning you're not disposable, that you are worth more than your labor to others, and telling toxic women to go away.
In a world with 8 billion people everybody is disposable.
I think the issue is that all the women have gone away to the top dudes. The men who are not at the top are lonely and their quality of life is indeed defined by society. Society is becoming polygamous, which is really interesting and the male backlash will get worse, not better. Men will go to whoever offers the easiest solution and there will be more Jordan Petersons and Andrew tates as a result.
The problem with the man o sphere are incredibly toxic and look to young men as a source for money and don't really care about helping them improve their lives.
What we need is to have a nuclear war to prove this point as soundly as possible.
Men were always disposable.
Women were allowed to flee Ukraine. Men were blocked and forced to fight.
This will never change.
It’s not just the suffering from loneliness, it’s the suffering from the lies being told about men.
Very fair point.
Lies told *_about_* men, and lies told *_to_* men.
Very true. It's crazy to hear from wonderful women that they no longer trust men and believe that MOST men are horrible. I have a friend I was very close with who stopped talking to me because I mentioned men have it tough, too. We get accused when we've never done anything of the sort that we're being accused of.
Empathy fatigue is a thing. If you cry for help and then refuse to take the help offered -- most people are going to move on with their life.
@@The_Cadaver
What help has been provided to men? And what empathy fatigue? Can you give any evidence of a show of empathy before the last 5 years?
As an older millennial, I just want to remind people that this issue has always been around. For my generation, what brought this topic out was Fight Club. That movie gave rise to a whole sub-culture of male rebellion and a lot of discussions around masculine toxicity, anti-consumerism, rage against the establishment, etc. Good times.
I was the character's age when that movie came out and it was addressing that generation's reality. It was the first movie which actually spoke to the hard lessons I had already learned by that point. It's still my favorite movie today because of how well it was executed.
Also another takeaway from that film: "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need."
What do they offer us as a panacea for our problems: another woman telling us that she's here to help. Yeah. Sure.
My favorite movie. Chucks social commentary was spot on. Also, it's just a great book/movie.
Freakin' spot-on, now that you mentioned it. Every day guys working blue collar jobs, even white-collar guys, nodding at each other as the pass without saying a word (because they know the first rule). This notion of male rebellion is NOT a novel concept like this video would make you think it is.
@@michaeldavid6832fight club is a story about a cult. they are manipulated into thinking the solution to being mindless drones is to be mindless drones for a guy.
As a middle-aged married man, I am extremely lonely. I feel like I bear most of the burden of the success or failure of my family. People constantly laud my wife for working so hard and being a mother, I get no acknowledgement for being a present and caring father and working as hard as anybody else. Because I work so much and also run a small business, I have little time to develop meaningful relationships. I don't want sympathy, but acknowledging what I do for my family would be nice.
Dude I'm a single father with 2 kids and nobody cares...If I was a female I'd be applauded for how brave I am. I don't expect any praise I'm just doing my best. But I can see the double standard
Men's life has always been like that. Centuries ago men used to die in wars, coal mines, ships, etc and nobody would care, we're just a number, disposable. It sounds bad, but it's the truth. If you're doing a good job as a father and a husband just be happy with yourself, you are the person that should love and respect yourself the most. Happiness comes from the inside, so don't expect appreciations from anyone else. That's what women need, not men.
I want to suggest try either finding a new friend group to talk to (but time constraints from work), or having a serious discussion with the missus, even therapy... but taking that step can be scary. It could even end the relationship, but you may well end up happier for it.
@@joshuaizzo8893You dropped this Sir 👑 👑
Being treated more like a preset than a present.... hoo damn. Would community-based solutions be eventually developed in the near future?
When I went to university, the student composition was about 60% women and 40% men. But when I went to student resources to apply for scholarships, fully 25% of them were for women only. There were 0 that were for men only. So not only was I in the minority, but there were also many scholarships open only to the majority group and which explicitly discriminated against me. Also, I was going into a female dominated field and I had the distinct impression that several of my female professors preferred their female students to their male students. Thus, from top to bottom, my university experience was one where I was actively and passively told I was not welcome and not wanted there. I did not complete my degree, which may have ended up being a good thing since I also avoided student debt. This was a number of years ago and I can only imagine that the situation has gotten worse for men in university today.
You want to be a victim so bad, men aren’t oppressed buddy, virtually every position of power and all wealth in society is held by men.
Academia is very feminist and discriminatory against men. I was in academia too, courses only for women, money and projects and scholarships only for women. Professor positions are open only for women. It’s very sad that all men that I knew left academia to work in companies, and all women that I knew now have a stable job as professors
What do you think could be done to help men here?
We had to write about not even thinly veiled feminist ideology stories in a bunch of our college exams. It's fcked. Pure feminist anti male crap infiltrated it
"But when I went to student resources to apply for scholarships, fully 25% of them were for women only. There were 0 that were for men only."
yeah I noticed that too. in terms of scholarships for the program I was in, basically all were either for women of minorities and you could pretty much get them with a c average and being the right group, only four were available is you were a white male, two you had to be in a master's program, one you needed to be in a specialty television program and the the last one was you had to do a major indy project and you needed PERFECT fucking grades to get any of these...
the fact that the DEI programs in companies have also led to quotas for x amount of women in higher positions, yeah... its not hard to tell why the scale tipped...
Talked to a feminist who said she supports men expressing their emotions more. I told her how no one actually cares, we're lonely, and have to get used to being perceived as a predator constantly. She then proceeded to explain to me how it's all men's fault. So much for expressing my emotions huh?
Interesting. Had the exact same experience when I told a feminist that male suic!de rate is abnormally high.
Not those emotions. Try saying how bad you feel about oppressing her, that will bring her around
That's the thing it's kinda true that it's a self creating problem. Women are scared of men because of all of the abusive men. That's reality. A lot of men are alone. Women don't want to work and be the main childcare and household person while their man just works and does barely anything else. This is so many men. The economy is such that everyone is struggling with college and financially and yet most policies are against things that would help women such as paid family leave. And now we have abortion rights being rolled back. So women right now are putting all the blame on men in general. Many of us see men as the source of most of the problems we all are facing. It isn't fair but that's what's happening. A lot of women don't even want to date and get married right now. At the same time most men even look on the word feminist as if it was a bad thing. And the same time a fringe minority of white Christian nationalists want to put women in their place and see the problem as giving women too much freedom. So we have to deal with that too. At this point for a lot of women it feels like you are either a male for us or a male against us. And yet Men call male allies beta males. We are honestly being pitted against each other.
Lol, oh man that's sad, and I hate that men are feeling this way I had no idea!
Something else for them to blame on Teh Patriarchy™!1!!
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" - African proverb.
Wow fucking chills dude
Never heard that quote but is extremely relevant
Reminds me of "300." The hunchback.
Civil wars are dependent on the population size of unmarried unemployed men
@@jackbrightside Cue the fed posting........
Actually, if there was a war, most men probably wouldn't fight. Why should I risk my life for spoiled entitled people. Just play games and chill.
Shoe0nHead has earned my utmost respect and gratitude for talking about this. As much as it sucks that people only pay attention to men's issues when women talk about it, I understand that that's just how it goes, and I am grateful to her for being that voice that actually gets listened to.
This is why the whole patriarchy thing drives me nuts. Like every guy or even most guys are the CEO’s of some large company. The vast vast vast majority of guys are just trying to find their place in this word ( like the vast majority of women ). I feel terrible for the aging guys out there who can’t find a partner, loneliness is awful. I feel so lucky to be married with children, and I really feel for my friends who can’t figure it out.
Exactly. By comparing the top men against the top women, it would appear men are crushing it. Comparing the average woman to the average man tells a very different story.
I honestly DGAS if a Women makes more than me, as long as she TRULLY does & completes the work to get it; not because she checks off the right box in the ESG work force model.
@@MR-backup I wouldn't care if a woman made more than me if SHE didn't care. I find it telling that Krystal talks about it feeling emasculating for men to make less money than the women around him - she doesn't mention how women feel no compunction about shitting on a man for not making more. No, it's not all just in his toxically male mind. Women EXPECT the man to be the breadwinner. Nobody in this conversation said, "Hey maybe women could learn to be ok with making more without thinking their man is a loser." (Women - even the concerned ones: How can we fix men without having to change anything on our end?)
The entire idea of a patriarchy results from something called the apex fallacy.
@@kleinbottled79 I used to make more than my husband and neither of us cared. I think its American society that cares about this.
it's so frustrating when Krystal says men just want to be the breadwinners and women go back in the kitchen. That is not the issue. The issue is that most women who make a lot of money rarely date economically down and seek someone on their level or higher. Men on the other hand have a natural inclination of providing and can easily date economically down. Therefore, a lot of women are romantically available to a minority of men. It's also rare that you come across a woman who is ok with being the breadwinner long-term.
This.
And nobody is judging women for doing it or saying they shouldn't.
It's literally just "women are choosing men who they perceive as socially or economically more successful than them, and this means men feel pressure to live up to these standards"
I'd say that even people like Tate and Peterson are LESS judgemental than women are when they complain about the pressures women feel from men (and I'd argue that most of that pressure is ALSO from other women. Because they're choosing to compete for a smaller selection of men who can then be selective. A vicious cycle)
What you've said is so true -- men will now have to find their value (to women) in other ways. And with the Internet, women don't have to fish within their small pond (town). The dynamics have shifted far to one side
These are their decisions.. they didn't want to be housewives anymore and trade family life for careerism and single life. These are the trade offs and they'll have to live with them.
I tell my friends we are fighting hundreds of thousands of years of biology and trying to do it in a matter of a few decades. Before the time of modern luxury a woman would need to find a strong man to literally survive and reproduce. Now when can make it on their own it is still hard to give up the ghost and be with a man that is economically less well off. This is also the first time history we have what can be considered a true free market for dating with these apps. Women can look outside their area for men. They seem to all be chasing the same men. It is a new world out there for the human race. I for one do not believe it will end well in the medium term. Population crisis will be real in less than 50 years which could implode entire societies.
>It's also rare that you come across a woman who is ok with being the breadwinner long-term.
Frankly, I think this is the crux of the issue. There are many men who would happily stay home and be domestic labor. Every single man I have met that tried that situation, whether they themselves liked the arrangement or not, their partner hated it. I think equality among the sexes is a good thing. Every person should be able to choose the trajectory of their own life to whatever extent they are able and have equal protection under the law. Be that as it may, someone told a lot of women they had to go out and be earners, and while many of them are happy I think a lot of them aren't. Isn't it a convenient coincidence that being able to afford a single income household is ever being pushed to higher and higher income brackets?
As a father of 2 boys I got to tell you if a boy is not athletically / academically gifted or emotionally mature in K-12, they kinda disappear. They become invisible. It’s heartbreaking.
Yep we become and under class destined to serve pretty people and influencers lol
That sucks. It sounds like how being an ugly woman must feel.
Would it been better for them to not have them?
The only solution is for women to hit 'the wall'. That's only when the women vying for the top 10% of men, start to look towards the bottom 50%, or else embrace their own loneliness.
My brother wasn’t athletic and was sexually assaulted by high school jocks. Scarred him for life.
Ironically, he became a ballet dancer in top companies.
Men: *drops the alpha routine*
Women: "Alright, I'm not looking for needy, sorry"
There are definitely two extremes to this issue and we can't dismiss that.
Shoe, as always, great job being balanced and hilarious.
For every alpha bro dude, there is also a woman who believes the same shit. They go hand in hand and can be equally dismissed. If you "drop the alpha routine" yeah no shit you're not going to find luck with women who are into that. Those people are not collectively "women" just as much as every alpha super stoic gym bro is isnt "men."
"men don't talk about their feelings enough"
-"well, actually, I'm really lonely and feel abandoned by society"
"oh boohoo, poor you..."
You don’t feel lonely or abandoned by society due to being a man, that isn’t a man exclusive problem.
@@donovan4222you basically proved his point
"I have these feelings"
"No you don't and also this is somehow your fault and you're entitled"
@@donovan4222just because woman can feel out of place in society, doesn’t mean men don’t for different reasons, or that men feel out of place at the same frequency as woman. Ironically enough your dismissive attitude towards the issue is exactly what contributes to its growth.
the boohoo response is correct. as a man if you aren't ready for revolution than i promise your slavery is inevitable look it sucks that we have to bleed to keep our rights and property but that's literally what it will take to keep these robbers and thieves off our backs.
As a High School coach, I can tell you this is a very real thing. My 1st priority is to work on their assertiveness and self confidence even before their on field skills. They cannot escape being told they’re toxic or privileged and social media amplify these feelings of inadequacy. It is so hard to date and find companionship if they lack assertiveness and confidence in a productive way. I’ve been coaching for 15 years and this topic is the greatest challenge as a mentor and confidant for these young men. There really isn’t even a close 2nd to this.
Unless they're black then it's ok
Sounds like the new generation of employees at work. Specifically men. I'm lucky to have been born in the early 80's.
@@CornFedZ06 Facts. We were the last with a mostly analog childhood.
Fellow coach here, you nailed it.
Thanks for all you do in uplifting these young men. I did not have someone like you in my life and I became a harmless nonassertive feminist ally and thought the best thing I could do was be 'a nice guy' and never objectify or sexualize women. It did not go well. My father was an alcoholic and was not present during my formative years I just played video games to escape.
Politically it’s been easier to demonize men for being powerful and greedy or selfish then to win them as voters by offering them something of value. If I’m a corporation I like paying woman less and also paying men less. So if I’m a corporation I really love this situation where there are no families and people are just slaves to corporations.
Than*
Marry a hologram
@@NoFreedoms-f1d sounds like you need a Mitsuko Miyazumi to your Kreiger
I think a big problem for young men is that a lot of the man o sphere is seen as the only source, even though that man-o-sphere is really toxic and motivated by money. Role model work best in real life, like reach out to someone that you respect and that conducts themselves well. Online, it's more of just a business where making money is really seen as more important than all else.
Thats why all Hollywood’s bad guys are white men. There is no NAACP or LGBT or Womens rights group for white men…if there was they would be demonized like Jordan Peterson is always.
Talking about this issue without at least suggesting that there's something wrong with women's behaviour is disingenuous. A good example of this is when Krystal framed the income issue as men NEEDING to be the breadwinner without acknowledging that women in fact typically WANT a man with at least the same income level as she has, and preferably more.
Talking about these issues with women can be so frustrating because women, even if they want to hear what you say, and want to be helpful, just absolutely cannot see that women as a sex might have some societally harmful behaviours. A good example of this was in a Finnish newspaper just the other day, when a mostly good article was published where some psychologist woman talked about how dating apps and such make forming relationships so much harder these days. But she also framed the issue in favour of women and vilifying men, saying that in dating apps it's now easy for men to have multiple simultaneous partners and not settle down with anyone, implying that women would not do that or even want to do that. But I know for a fact that women DO do that, and it's so much easier for them to do so as well.
Women need to step out of the victimhood bubble and start thinking in terms that correspond with reality. I don't know any men who would say that men as a whole don't have lots of issues or that we don't cause problems to society. Women still cannot do the same, women cannot admit their own faults even when they try to be helpful and understanding.
Yeah it is completely futile talking to them about it. They will never hold themselves or other women accountable for one iota of their own behaviors.
Thanks for pointing that out. See my longer related comment above
This had the exact amount of self analysis that I thought a comment on this video would have: ABSOLUTELY ZERO. There are facts, statistics and all of recorded history to support women being the victims. Ever hear of a warlock being burned at the stake? No, but you sure have heard of witches being burned at the stake.
Also, telling women to stop being victims while laying out a detailed rant about how men are victims? Peak irony.
I guess women are hard wired to not be sympathetic to men! They are not as soft and generous and they let on!
I’ve literally never seen a woman take accountability for anything.
It's not even about someone caring about me. I can handle the world not caring about me, and even being alone for the most part.
What I do care about is being exploited to the max on top of it, while being told at the same time I'm the cause of humanities problems
Well don’t vote for the bs then .
@@peterthegreat996 Many don't, but the problem is, there are usually more people that feel entitled to another's worth than not in any voting pool.
I know what you mean, that is why I am looking for all means that I can to ensure the wealth I generate is mine alone. Tax fraud is a moral good for a man at this point.
@@peterthegreat996 Voting is pointless. The entire system is bought and paid for since day one. The people are genuinely powerless regardless of which country you come from.
@@peterthegreat996 Politics is downstream of culture. It's the CULTURE that is the source of this bullshit- not politics.
The only backlash I have for her is that there were zero actual shoes on head during this whole interview. Great interview
Yeah the false advertising is getting out of hand
I think, perhaps, it was more of a metaphor .. of what I have no idea.
Blatant clickbate, smh!
I thought I had to put a shoe on my head to listen. 😳😝
@@darinsingleton3553 It's an old 4chan meme. It just shows where she came from at this point really. Funny enough, it's a rather derogatory meme, but I'm sure it got her some instant recognition when she started with it.
In 2006 my Psychology professor who worked with students and prisoners said, "Men have lost the things that made them men, regardless if you think those things are immoral or not, we have zero support system for them".
Thats why there was a patriarchy, without it, men couldn't survive.
@@EagleZtoTheGraveWell, no one would have survived.
@@EagleZtoTheGravecongrats. Dumbest comment on the internet today and you have serious competition.
If you have a vag we will give you money and everything.
@@EagleZtoTheGravethere is no patriarchy. Only economics. Women were second class citizens bc they couldn't work and be mothers at the same time. That was fixed by technology...aka the birth control pill.
"I just want someone to care about me besides my mom and dad". Jesus.
Back in the early 1970s, Phillip Slater wrote a book, "The Pursuit of Loneliness" in which he argued that technology alienates people from nature, their work, and other humans. Social media, self-checkout, and hundreds of other technological "advances" seem to confirm this argument.
I think you are absolutely on the right track. This conversation excludes introverted males who are quite comfortable being left "alone". Extroverted males (which by the way, my belief is that 80% of the population is Extroverted) are being hurt by our society being less "touchable" everything is about interfacing with a screen or some kind of computer/console. This hurts extroverted males and I think that's where the conversation needs to go.
Yep
@@insidejah9293 the problem is not so much technology, it's the way capitalism is geared to gravitate towards that which makes the most money and to devalue things that don't bring as much money, regardless of how useful those things are. A programmer will always make more money than a plumber, but that doesn't mean plumbers aren't important, we just devalue jobs that are largely based on hard labor which are traditionally male roles.
Imagine a world without plumbers and waste management
You can add the car to this list
Norah Vincent literally did an experient called self made man where she pretended to be a man for 18 months to see the patriarchy from the mens pov and found it incredibly awful and said she couldn't wait to go back to being a woman. Her quote "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together."
Vincent's final action in her role as a man was to end her life
We need our spaces. Our spaces were work spaces. We did pretty much all the indispensable work back then, and we do pretty much all the indispensable work besides having babies, doctoring and nursing today. And let's be frank about 80% of the publishing in nursing is written by males. Women have mostly gummed up the workspace, A very great deal of what they do is slow down businesses. And for this they think they're equal. The only thing you can really do is laugh at it.
@@fluxonite Well until the next study is done it will be cited, as is standard. Do you also get upset that Roe v Wade was constantly looked back upon and cited as a source in abortion discussion/legislation?
@@annarboriter I believe that was years later due to depression. Not because she was so deeply traumatized by being a man.
reminds me of that transman pouring out his emotions of how tough it is to be treated like a man.
'only because it would make my mom sad' is spine chilling
literally me . . .
spine chilling to me because I've had those exact thoughts just never said them out loud.
it is not uncommon, it is sort of the last leverage that therapists have, that you will make your family sad. perhaps that is why the male rates are higher around the time the parents are dying.
Yea thats basically my mine. Currently. Thought about it couple times
I am pretty happy now, but I have said this before. If anyone needs help. Talk to folks. Even if it's me, I don't mind.
I had to talk to a doctor about it before, and it did help.
It's hard, but people do care. In this case, they may only b random folks online, but they are slowly trying to find you a voice.
Don't give up. Never give up.
and yes btw I did have a thought of 'how would my mom feel'
When I was a kid, I had a teacher that picked on me, made a series of humiliations, and on her own words she justified "Just because you are not like your sister". She did teach my older sister, every time she meet with my mother she said bad things about me. I was a quiet kid, didn't make trouble at all. Never understood why she did that. Every time I wonder if she died, you know, that makes all the bad memories go away. XD
LOL I always just assume people like that died of COVID or old age or something too.
@@harrymon0 Yeah, she was very old in the 90's already. I think she is eating grass by the roots for some time now.
same mines a little different though i was constantly talked down to and degraded by this girl in my class and i let it go bc shes was just a girl and it didnt bother me much but one day she really pissed me off and i started talking trash back and the teacher who ignored all the words she said to me months leading up to this had the nerve to tell me that i was the one who needed to calm down. i looked that jerk straight in his face and said i dont know who you think you are getting all upset about what i said when this girl mocks me everyday. didnt hear shit from the principle bc the jerk knew i was right and he would be in big trouble if i actually told someone. the KIDS in the class eventually came to my aid when she told me i was a loser with no friends and it wasnt the women who helped it was the boys the freaking kids helped when a grown adult just sat there and excused it.
Being compared to your older, female sister who is a better student under that same teacher is so annoying and I wish they could understand that it did not motivate me in anyway whatsoever. It made me not wanna do anything that could possibly bring that teacher any amount of pride.
I have the same story, that female teacher once humiliated me in front of the whole class for 40 minutes, just because my mother was a teacher in the same school and she probably didn't like her. What a bitch, I hope there's a karma for her. Two of my bullies at school are already dead, died in their 30s, so karma could be in fact real, I guess.
When I was in highschool I was a tutor in the math lab. I tutored some girls but the majority of the time I spent as a math tutor was undoing years of discrimination from their majority female teachers.
These boys were actually great at math more often than not but they all had stories of their teachers humiliating them.
It reminded me of my fourth grade teacher who would create random public humiliation sessions in class (boys only of course) for boys who misspelled a hand written word, or other Grammer mistakes.
Grammar?
I had that happen to me when I was in first grade. My teacher would hold up my math paper and encourage the class to laugh at how stupid my wrong answers were. She’d do it to all of the kids who got the bottom grades. When she was done humiliating me I’d join right in laughing at the next “stupid” kid because at least it wasn’t my turn to be crapped on anymore. It was horrible. She would just individually yell at kids who couldn’t read and spell though. I guess she had to change up her routine a bit. 😢 It’s amazing I learned anything.
@@Madamchief you must be his teacher
I've tutored university biochem labs and they are 90% women now. Yet they still go on that they need to support women in stem it's messed up. We need to support men in stem.
WTAF???
I’ve noticed that everyone was quick to say “it’s not women, it’s not feminism”. But it is very much feminism that is a huge contributor to this. There were books written by feminists in THE EARLY 90s that very much predicted this exact problem, but the feminist movement chose to ignore it and ostracize these writers. So now everyone is surprised that exactly what they said would happen is happening? This is exactly what happens when you fundamentally change the dynamics of the genders and choose to leave out what happens to one of them in your plan. It was fun when you got to laugh at us and say “haha male tears”, but now the chickens are come home to roost. Not so funny now is it?
The raging feminist of the 90's now has to deal with the fact that her teenage son is clinically depressed.
@@kleinbottled79 if he even survives that depression. Statistically, he may not
@@kleinbottled79this is fucking sad
Can you tell us what books are those?
It’s funny how pathetic this comment sounds lmao
Breaking Points has the widest spectrum of Guests (and Audience) I have ever seen. Keep it going!
For sure. I'm very, very, very far right and I appreciate their centrist views
So, watching an itch say nothing is good?
@@ROOSTER333 centrist? Lmaooo
Ha. You mean all of the guests at Krystal’s wedding. Marianne, Shoe, Ryan etc.
Thats actually true...
I find Krystal borderline insufferable, but I come back most days anyhow.
When a man has money he wants a woman to share it with. When a woman has money she doesn't need a man.
ShoeOnHead on breaking points is something I didn’t expect to see but am excited that she’s being noticed!
She was also a guest when Krystal & Saagar were on Rising :)
@@CardinalSynth So, I guess she's the permanent speaker on men's issues. Its exactly the type of issue liberal news outlets make for themselves.
Didn't have that on my bingo card either but happy either way
@@stldweller she talks about men issues, social media and women issues. Ohh, and pedos-bad.
Yeah, she's been on before.
“The patriarchy: a social system in which power is held by men, through cultural norms and customs favour men and withhold opportunity from women.”
“But men are more undereducated, poor, lonely and depressed than women and have less opportunities?”
“Yes. That’s also the patriarchy.”
yes I imagine the pressure of being expected to be the strong one and all creates a sense of alienation. like a gifted child being expected to overachieve at everything then quickly feeling isolated and like they dont belong anywhere once they realise they cant do everything at 110% capacity all the time
@@qwertydog9795 This is me. Gifted child turned broke single man lol
Ah yes gaslighting, the most dangerous weapon academic feminists utilize to mind f*** men.
says the woman on the screen...
Read "Of Boys and Men" from Richard Reeves and you'll see why people say this.
"The solution to male loniless is just being a better person." Lol. K. "The solution to women making less than men is just working harder."
The solution to male loneliness is to stop teaching women to hate men.
Ironically, it was the right wing in the 80's-2000's that constantly told people that the solution to everything was "hard work"..... Nowadays you hear upper class men and a lot of women say that most male problems are due to laziness and not getting academic credentials.
@@Knowbody42Rates of female depression are off the charts these days... Maybe males are turned off by that?
@@ryanjacobson2508they’re too busy killing themselves 400% more
What is the alternative? Being a piece of shit?
As a man I not only feel lonely, but the expectations put upon me are huge
I feel like I need to be perfect, academically intelligent, athletic, handsome, financially stable(enough to start a family), good with words and have skills in every part of life.
All I want is to find someone who I can be innocent with, and live my life as a child until I die. I dont want to put anyone else in this world, just want to be in peace and die
I am never enough, never accepted, always judged and rejected
Just want it all to stop I want to end it
Spot on. Right now I'm battling my weight and I feel really shitty about being overweight. I feel like I let my wife and daughter down.
Good day, I more or less agree with you.
From what I have noticed in the past 35 years. It starts at a young age. For example, in the case of swimming.
Girls have some right of thinking over how much they want to cover and uncover.
As far as serious swimming is concerned fo pre-teen boys, it's a pair of swim briefs, whether or not any of these boys are truly comfortable in wearing so little in front of girls. At least adult women in bikinis still have their tops on.
Corporate globalism has increased the pressure on males since the end of the Cold War. Being a rising star, earning $ x million before age 30 and so on.
Despite some of these rising stars have been overrated, such as Sam Bankman-Fried, the pressure to succeed big in the fastest possible way is still significant.
You should not aim to live as a child, you should aim to grow as a man, as an individual. This means you need to decide what you want, a practical and achievable goal, based on what you want, not what other people say you should want. Then just set about going after it, by deciding what you want you will discover yourself, by chasing it you will grow.
Great to see June being recognized as a keen social commentator of her generation. It’s earned.
effin shoot me now...this potato on head....We've had 50 years of 'progress' and the answer to our problems is more of the same. Give us more handouts from the government...smdh...
She's histrionic, and her commentary is extremely low insight.
Nah, she griftin.
Just like she always has.
Heaven forbid someone should have a perspective that goes against the expected grain. Come off it.
Is being recognized on breaking points, really being recognized?
Shoe spitting some facts. Never thought I’d see her on Breaking Points.
Breaking Points’ Extended Universe is getting better and better, isn’t it?!
I love it.
She was on at least once before.
This year in the UK its currently 60% girls to 40% boys started university. And this gap is growing every year by about 1%. Couple this with the issue that boys dropout at a higher rate than girls then you can see the huge gap in education between the genders.
Also there are DOZENS of female programs and government schemes to help girls into higher education and there are literally NONE for boys. In fact the last time a politician tried to bring this issue up in parliament he was shamed and pilloried out of the room.
Those programs to help women started because woman use to only make up around 40% of university students. Funny how when women are the minority, they have to help women, and when men are the minority, they’re still helping the women
Funny thing is that women are actually undermining universities.
This was already true two decades ago.
There were zero scholarships for men, because that'd be sexist, but many were exclusively for women (not sexist) or "ungendered" with noticeable selection bias towards women - again not considered sexist.
Because men have controlled everything for millennia
also any mens domestic violence clinic gets bullied into failure in every country. It seems its just okay to openly hate men in a way that isnt okay for people, because to society men are not people.
I like that Sh0e wants to pick everyone up, not worry about who's fault it is that some people aren't doing well.
She is a decent person.
@@A_UA-cam_Commenter she is one of the few youtubers who can talk about an issue without going on extreme or the other
That’s a sign of smart and empathetic person. Reality is nuanced.
Been dragging myself through life for the past decade because I can't put my mom through the pain of burying her only son. I wouldn't feel so goddamn shitty if I could just get a job interview in my career field, but since I can't seem to get past resumé scanning software, I have to settle for work that pays 2-3 times less than jobs I'm qualified for...
The loneliness epidemic is largely a reflection of systemic failures of this brutally indifferent economy and country.
I feel you on this point. What gets me is when I see all the job postings in my field with media stories of how there's a real worker shortage 😢. I've started literally counting my blessings to keep my chin up.
Dude, I am right there with you. Hitting the same exact road blocks and then some. I never took solace in knowing that other people are suffering but it gives me a shred of hope that we may yet turn this around.
Dude I don’t know how old you are. I assume I’m a bit older being in my early forties. I got diagnosed with bipolar disorder as a 23 year old. Years with struggling mentally and physically. It was tough and nothing seemed to work. The thoughts rushed constantly through my head. Screaming horrific thoughts until everything broke. I’m here and over a few years. I instituted a couple of things that I think are worth trying. The first thing is create yourself a rigid routine. Repeat repeat repeat with purpose and don’t break the cycle. Nothing big but small things like exercise the same time every day. I would shave at the same time every day. Looking directly at the mirror and as I finished say out loud “it’s just in your head” go to sleep at the same time. Do these small things religiously and then add something to it.
Just a thought and everyone is different. But the body and brain will reward you with just routine. Keep adding things and don’t break the commitment to yourself. It seems a bit out there but it changed my life and I’m now a different person that is healthy with bipolar.
@carterbaird8740 the worker shortage is a lie, companies are trying to maximize profits while reducing cost. They don't want to hire
I’m going through that right now. And now when you walk in trying to introduce yourself there’s some HR lady there to tell you to get lost.
Social media and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
I think it opened more eyes about the rules of the world than anything else.
*builds cabin
@@Sukharno2121 Exactly -- this is the 'true nature' and 'survival of the fittest' in it's truest form. Internet, Twitch/OnlyFans, more Women graduating, all these things just broke all traditional roles.
Along with abandoning God. We up decided technology is our God and we can guide ourselves. We’re paying for it dearly.
@@SteveJonesOwnsDSP Yeah it's a great thing that the vast majority of young men are doing poorly. Especially academically. If half the people in the US are doing poorly, it must be their fault.
All I can say is that I am one of these men. I am sad. I am lonely. No, I'm not an incel. No, I don't feel like women owe me anything. But I am human. It is very human to want someone to care about you, to love you, and to hold you. That desire has been twisted into the lie that just because I want these things, that I feel I am owed them. I have accepted that I will continue to be ignored the more I age. I'm 38 now. The older I get, the more women simply won't want me even more. I have given up. I'm not even asking for a pity party though. I would settle for the world opening their eyes to at least acknowledge our plight. One of the biggest hurdles I have had to get over is just accepting this reality that so many men find themselves in. To press on. I am here; I am living; but I feel like an empty shell. I wanted a family. I wanted a wife to love. I wanted children to love.
You might be wondering how I got to this point. How, exactly, does a man find himself feeling this alone? Men have two options: to ask women out in person and to ask women out online or through dating apps. Note that women asking men out is not included here because it simply doesn't happen. The onus is upon men to make this happen. At one point, women cried out about men approaching them at the gym, at the grocery store, on the streets, in the workplace, and everywhere in-between. Some men ignored this and continued to push the boundaries - they are the assholes. But there were also men who cared, listened, and sympathized with women on this issue and decided they didn't want to touch the possibility of being called a creep from asking women out in person with a ten foot pole. So, they stopped doing that; the first option was off the table. The second option, to ask women out online and through apps, turned out to be a disaster. Every man will tell you his stories about messaging dozens and even hundreds of women, or swiping right on them, resulting in no matches. It kills the self-esteem of men. To add insult to injury, every video out there on this subject is about what men are doing wrong; how you can improve your chances; what you're doing wrong with your profile; etc, with not a peep about how women never ask men out to begin with. After a while, you feel like you cannot ask women out in person or online. You give up. And now we're here. Don't complain about it - if you do, you will be labeled an incel or women will find your desire to be held as unattractive.
An extra layer to this is everything surrounding marriage. Many men feel like it's a rigged system. There are stories of prenuptial agreements being thrown out by family courts; lawyers convincing women that simple arguments you had in the marriage can be misconstrued as verbal abuse when it comes to the divorce; a 50% divorce rate; the fact that women get custody of the children most of the time and frequently levy false accusations against men, such as the man being a pedophile, just to get the courts to hate him; alimony payments; child support payments. It comes to a point where marriage begins to feel like an incredibly huge financial risk. And yet the US government is now surprised that the birthrate is at an all time low. But don't complain about any of that or you will be sorted into the category that pick up artists and incels are in.
We suffer in silence. It is no surprise that it has been the tiktok and youtube channels run by women who talk about these issues that have become the most popular ones to address these issues. Women are the only ones who can get away with talking about this stuff because they won't be labeled an incel. Like I said though - the damage has already been done. Many of us men are getting too old to date anyone. We are sitting back and watching. We are hoping that things will be better for the younger men so at least they can have a better chance if these issues are addressed.
Thank you for sharing Rex, I'm sorry and feel really bad to know that men have been ignored and even oppressed in society.
I know what Shoeonhead is talking about when it comes to being online on Tumblr in the 2010s and reblogging and following soft anti-men posts. It's not a good message at all to teach women. Thankfully, I met someone who showed me information and stats of men today when it comes to dating/marriage/divorce.
I hope you find yourself someone who loves you regardless of your age. ❤
Big facts. This has precisely been my experience as well. Thank you for articulating it so well.
I too have given up, and am much happier for it. Sure I am lonely, but that beats thousands of rejections, even from women, obviously below your standards. Now I just live for myself alone.
I feel exactly what you're saying, we are all humans, just human beings ...
What is wrong about this ?
And that s where passport bros should step in
@@Lagi42800 Feminism said this was wrong. It said men are not human beings, but "oppressors", and after that point, it was okay to treat us as less than human.
The ONLY time the media talks about men's issues is when women bring it up. Pathetic.
At least June actually cares. She's not grifting like most people.
I can’t believe I’m listening to the 80/20 rule on Breaking Points. It was so interesting to learn that most women on dating apps are sharing the same group of tall stud muffins who are dating a different woman every night. lol. No wonder women complain of all the non-committing men online.
Yeah online.
If anything that should encourage dudes to touch grass and go to a bar to meet women. A woman isn't bringing a tape measurer with her at a bar to make sure a guy is 6ft tall. People are a lot less likely to have automatic dealbreakers irl if you vibe with them in person. The algorhythm's of most dating sites are not designed to find you a 1st date,they are designed for you to stay a customer on their dating site. A bar on the other hand is designed for you to be less inhibited and have a good time.
Being tall isn't necessarily a prerequisite for getting endless female attention. I'm 5'6" and I spent a few years sleeping around with woman I met on tinder. I had a new girl every few weeks. It was an endless amount of flings. Good times 😊
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I’ll just leave this here
Assuming the number of straight men and women are roughly the same. If a bunch of men are lonely and it's not the case for women, mathematically it can only be that multiple different women are dating the same men. If all men are committed to a single partner, then there should be a roughly equal number of lonely women.
I'm glad you're still covering this. Every male younger than me in my family, every single one, is depressingly single, has given up on dating for years, and doesn't find any reason to leave their homes save for family events. They have good jobs, homes, and personalities, yet still... they don't blame anyone for, nor understand, their predicament. Some problems are bigger than government policies and technological advancements. Sometimes, a culture collapses because they forget what it means, what it takes, to truly love your fellow citizen. We may have become capatlists, wholly transactional, even within the sacred spaces of love...
the 666 rule applied to men that is killing the motivation for a lot of us to do anything
>We may have become capitalists, wholly transactional, even within the sacred spaces of love...
ouch. that truth hurts
@@onederb71nln83this is the first time I've heard of this rule. All I can think of is WTF?
YES dude. We are Cultural Capitalists, Keith Woods talks about this and refutes the idea that we are becoming 'Cultural Marxists' as some fear.
@@ShawwwHa yup short, broke and a less then average D make a steep hill I'm not will to climb
Thanks for this BP gang. Boy when my husband comes home tonight, Imma gonna hug him and tell him he is the best thing that's happened to me. My heart breaks for these young men.
My brother is married with four children, oldest 18 youngest 11. He works 50-60 hours per week and most weekends is working side jobs for extra money. My sister in law does not work. He asked if she could get a part time job to help while the kids are in school. Her response was, "Why don't you make more money!"
His 18 year old brought him to tears when she asked "Why are you still with her? We would all choose to live with you if you filed for divorce. I'll put off college and get a job to help as long as it's not under the same roof as Mom."
Did he leave her yet?
I have ABSOLUTE ZERO issues with women making more money than me. The issue is most women want a partner who makes more money than them. Who the person is isn't as important as their income. Economics affect relationships way too much.
This is a major problem whenever women's academics and career aspects in life thrive but they don't shift the expectation they have for men. Men are still expected to provide as if women progressed in these areas. It's great that they have but to also expect your partner to still be ahead of you in a major way is too much of an expectation
A lot of women see Men as Walking Wallets. It's that, or their profession -- because they will have to go out with their friends and they gossip 'what does he do? how much does he make?' are the only key questions.
Do you think maybe generalizing women like that is keeping you from meeting someone awesome? We run in different circles if you think women only care about your money.
@@spicymemes7458no there is plenty of data to support what he's saying. Women overwhelmingly date men who are "better at life" than them in many areas and never date down.
@@spicymemes7458 He didn't say women. He said most women. And polls have borne out that most women do indeed want someone who makes more money than they do, even among the rich, for whom that consideration should largely be moot.
It's nearly impossible to speak publicly about these issues as a man. I'm right in the middle of it. Especially in left circles. I've seen men bring this up before in leftist discord servers and they get absolutely shit on. I don't really understand why other than to think that some women really think that men's lives are so advantaged and easy that it's ridiculous to complain about male issues.
I don't think people understand that the advantage only exists with rich men. Nothing about being a blue collar man is easy. Especially a leftist. Conservative women respect blue collar work from men waaaaay more then women on the left generally.
Vaush has talked about it. Ana Kasparian has also talked about it (although she has moved right on some issues recently). And to be fair, many other leftists hate Vaush for some reason.
Racism and sexism are alive and well, just the targets have changed
If you ask a woman what's the difference between GHz and GB or "pass me a Phillips bit, my bad its a torx" or to please park the car while you handle something at the front desk... it becomes evident why they live an entirely different experience than the average man. And why they believe there's a magical side entrance exclusively for men. Pair that mental disconnect with their media consumption; mean girl reality TV, poolside dating, hallmark movies or Dateline horror stories... That is the driver that gets out of that beautiful supercar.. Delusion, fantasy, and ineptitude....and eventually, resentment.
I've thought this too, that the criticisms of men from the left are really about the elite men, and the equality feminism wants access to are the elite benefits. No feminist says they want to be able to do back breaking work supporting a family only to have it all taken away from them, or increase the amount of female homelessness.
I think the male world itself is competitive and pretty stratified into winners and losers. Men face lots of difficulties, they're often of a different nature than the ones women face but its not like they aren't real.
You hit the nail on the head. Not just gender issues but also race. I have more in common with a person of the opposite sex and race who is also a member of the working class, regardless of political leanings, than I have with a rich person who shares my immutable characteristics.
This was considered self evident until the wealthy decided to crush the Occupy movement then replace it with culture wars and pseudo activist capitalism. I've seen people I agree with on economic and social policies claim that the man who votes Republican who works 12 hours a day at the factory is the "enemy" but the Washington insider who rakes in millions by serving corporate elites is an "ally" because they wear a rainbow pin or kneel for the national anthem. The modern "left" has completely lost perspective and I don't know if it's fixable.
That first comment about buddy not wanting to off him self because it would make his Mom sad hit, way too close to home. Keep your heads up my friends. This may sound sadistic. But suffering is our birthright and death has to earn the right to take us. Again though to all y’all. Much love. 🖤
Lol wtf does this mean bro thinks we live in ancient Sparta
Bro is this a quote from something? I almost want to steal this
@@donovan4222 this is getting too ridiculous -- to the point of romanticizing their situation. People have lived with loneliness since the dawn of time; no one is special in this regard
Also: don’t be so sure your life is hour’s to take.
When Krystal was hot she married a man 10X her income. Now she's gonna pretend like income doesn't matter?
It's not just that men think they should be "bread winners." It's that everyone does! Protectors and providers is the male version of nurturers and mothers. It's a box we put men in. Women included. Women especially. Couple this with hypergamy and dating apps and I think you've got most of the contemporary picture on dating. The rest I think is rooted in how we've approached reform in the last 100 odds years. We've made things easier for women and maybe not actively harder for men but relatively harder, if that makes sense. We reformed schools but took no interest in how the basic structure of school might favor women, for example. In general, we help women. We don't really help men.
Lol. The number of women I've run into who have benefited from workplace sexism (i.e. being promoted to senior roles because of their gender to check DEI/ESG boxed) and also say "I can't date a man who makes less than I do" is insane. It's actually the norm in most big city dating markets now. Meanwhile, everyone says "gee....wonder why the classic relationship model is broken" Yea, I wonder why.
The diversity hires are wild
Define the number “insane?” And how many people do you know ? At least a few million for your observation to carry weight…although its only an opinion you’ve made , without proof. Please also provide proof.
@@peterthegreat996 take your ignorance blindfold off and see for yourself. It's everywhere.
@@peterthegreat996women suck at working
Quit lying.
What annoys me as a father is this. Years ago I started reading, watching videos and following feminist voices because I wanted to be a good father and I learned a lot about how some stereotypes and such perpetuated negative views of women. We're in 2023 and so many of these voices just keep painting men as the ones to blame for everything but how are we raising our young boys? The kids that were born 10+ years ago are just becoming men now and they're just joining a society that blames them for everything and hates them. How many young men are lonely, depressed, without motivation or purpose in life and when you just say those things there are these women just telling them "that's because you're a bad person". I lived my life, I don't care what happens to me, but I care about my son and it's just sad to think about his future.
Jordan Peterson addressed this and was labelled a racist bigot right wing personality......
The world is cooked.
There’s a conservative tidal wave coming kiss liberals and progressives good by as soon as the kids today can vote
Society only hates the men that paint themselves as victims when they relate to historic villains and get called out for it.
So, if you're having trouble, stop relating to the villains. Most of us aren't having any problems.
growing up I was the same I wanted to help women because i never had a mother and now its just men are trash. I saved women from abusive men I helped women off the street never has there been a time where a woman made me even satisfied and I just feel so duped and so broken I did so much to be a good man and it turned out they still pick the bad men and do nothing even half to equal in helping men and its just horrible
Lol what?
As someone from the right, I've been really proud of June and the way she handles her politics over the years. She's lefty but not cringe so it's easier to listen to her and not cringe my ass off.
As a lefty who hates the identity politics, man-hating, race and gender-mania inundating the left, finding a fellow lefty who is like me, is like a glass of cold water after trudging through a desert.
Like many of us say and know @sevenguage89 the majority of us are in the middle somewhere sharing more beliefs and values than any media left or right would care to report
So brave. If only someone else had the courage to piggyback on the rage of collapsed narcissists. 🙄
You're a right winger? I promise you that's your biggest problem. Why would a woman choose you when your representatives hate them?
@@The_Cadaverget over yourself.
"I know what men need. A WOMAN'S PERSPECTIVE!!!!"
-Every. Modern. Woman.
This hits home so much. Dating apps make me feel so awful about myself. It’s been very lonely for a while.
Hey man, I feel you. Generally speaking, most people aren’t gonna wanna date someone unless they find them sexually attractive. Nobody wants to admit to that, but, for most people (#NotAll), it’s true. Let’s be honest. I assume we wouldn’t wanna date girls if they were like 500lbs. Dating apps are very bad for men, because, ultimately, it does come down to how you look, and women are especially pickier than men. If you get in shape, put on muscle, dress well, and take good photos of yourself, it might be worth it. But you need to try and understand aspects of the female gaze that we, as men, aren’t going to be innately aware of, like “icks” for example. That being said, there is a threshold of physical attraction below which, you’d be best off avoiding them, because constant rejection will severely damage your mental health.
Young man, focus on yourself by building resources, get a dog and hire a "pro" every quarter.
@@stoneylonesome4062that's nice of ya to help.
Dating apps are just where women sign up for a Chadshare
That's how it feels to be commodified. The problem is consumer culture.
Shoe rocks and is one of the few normal people who has built a huge platform for herself on the internet. Plus, she has an awesome sense of humor and irony that allows her to do satire in the most effective and entertaining way.
She used her ex husbands stupid atheist boom to get ahead, then divorced him. She's a grifter
@@ROOSTER333The Armored Skeptic is not an idiot!
Reminds me of Maya and Mizkif@@ROOSTER333
@@ROOSTER333of course! She had to “use” a man to get ahead. If you don’t know them personally, don’t make wild assumptions or comment on personal details of their lives. Just a little helpful tip for you.
@@BeastWreckI can think of at least three different examples of this off the top of my head, including a guy who was working a job he hated to put his sister through college, it's in mens nature to give to women and women are happy to exploit that
Krystal and Saagar look like two proud parents listening to their favorite daughter.
quite funny as shoe is older than saagar :D
But I agree 100%
What the heck loool
@@snuffeldjuretwtf that's not possible
@@snuffeldjuretI just Googled it. It's true.
And since I'm a week older than shoe... 😨
@@snuffeldjuret She is? lol. How old are they?
As a man who has college degrees and never landed a job in that field... THAT'S why we are dropping out of college. We found out it was a waste of time and money.
It’s always so weird to see June acting normal as opposed to some sort of strange screaming gremlin
but i wouldnt want her any other way
@@Calebe428 down bad. Eh?
She probably didn't take Monster for this
Who tf is June
Screaming gremlin? WTF are you talking about, LOL?
Hard to convince someone you care about them when you've considered it problematic NOT to demonize men for so long.
Valid. There has not been a distinction between 'toxic-masculinity' and 'masculinity'. I raised this question at University a handful of years ago and got pushback on the idea that a distinction ought to be made between what is toxic and what is masculine. Academics are working hard on teaching (predominantly) young women that masculinity is toxic.
They don't care though.
Like June said in her video, it's always a case of "how do we get men to come and help us?" and never just "how do we help men?"
Which is ironic when you think about it. The idea that men are the people who do things and everyone else are the people who things are done for is completely disempowering to the everyone else and yet they're doing it to themselves.
The left is still rooted in a patriarchal mindset even while it pretends to itself that it isn't. It needs to do some soul searching and actually root out its own patriarchal biases or it will never be able to achieve its ends.
Love ShoeOnHead for doing this. Its super brave and super important.
Sure, plus it’s super profitable and brings her mass attention 😂
June is an absolute legend. Her latest video about why Trump won should be required viewing for liberals/democrats.
This would never happen on Mainstream media. Major respect to Breaking points for bringing in Shoe and discussing a very real problem.
CNN has started covering this topic.
@@MrBoxofplastic Years later after independent media already treaded the ground
Gee I can not imagine why men are doing poorly in a place that is constantly telling them that they are scum, and that every evil in the world is their fault.
Male loneliness snowballs and compounds in a number of different ways. The fewer friends you have, as a man, the less people trust you. It is a natural instinct. It is also greatly exacerbated by people spending so much time on electronics as opposed to in-person, social events, and interactions.
Yep, it’s very easy to see more people spending way too much time online .. they watch too much doomer content like this and then wonder why they are miserable and lonely..?!? So many would benefit from exercise and just going outside more often
Funny, my instinct is to be immediately skeptical of people who have many friends. I think to myself, "are they an attention junkie? Superficial? Goes with the herd because they're afraid to be alone? Maybe they're just awesome and likable."
Often I find people with many friends to be kind of chameleon like, and do things just to make friends and retain that social appearance of popularity.
Nicely stated. And the same is true for male-female relationships. The guys who are married or attached are 'more attractive' because they have someone. So the single women look at the single men and think, 'he's a loser. I'd rather chase that other guy who is already in a relationship.'
@@anderseckstrand7033that is true.
@@rodiusmaximusIt does make sense for women to think like this especially if they have experienced abuse and violence in the past as they have to be more selective because if a women dates an abusive man it is always her fault and not his and more women are now just not dating men anymore. It is a minority of women who want to be the "side chick".
Goes to show you that we lack a lot of empathy in our society and it’s not just for men but as a whole. Ever since the Internet got invented, everyone has turned into extremists at the comfort Of their own home. Arguing and hating on, people is easy because you don’t see them visually in person, and because of that you look at them as less than human.
shoe is one of very few women online who i think genuinely care about mens issues and men and not just using it as a grift to make money or something
Yeah, I fk with shoe because she’s chill & funny, but she actually cares too! 🙂
💯
No. Potato-on-Neck is a failed grifter like the others, having to stumble from pseudo-issue to pseudo-issue to appear relevant.
Yeah shoe is a legend
I think she believes what she says to some extent, but if there wasn't money in it, she wouldn't be giving up work to fight for the cause.
Women aren't chasing the top 20%, just being over 6 feet tall makes you in the top 15% (in America) and earning over 6 figures puts you in the top 17%, having both is in top 1% territory. Dating apps were a mistake and should be gotten rid of, people need to meet each other organically again and get their expectations based on reality.
I’m not in the top 20% and I have no
Problem attracting women .. the guys that claim you have to be in the top 20% to be attractive to women are wrong . Men just don’t know how to talk to women and try too hard to impress with wealth or material goods
@@shootermcgavin4999 any clown can make six figures, six figures in 2023 Bidenbux is like $60k in Clintonbux.
The issue is not dating apps. Women have been entertaining delusional requirements forever.
Dating apps are still not great, mind you. But they do have a place in our current society where many people don't have time to socialise much after work, and are frowned upon for trying to find mates at work too.
They shouldn't support these dumb requirements, though.
Notwithstanding your point is valid overall, the overlap between height and income is actually quite high.
So the likelihood that a 6ft+ man makes 6 figures is much higher than 1%. The overlap is going to be quite large.
I'd like to point out that about *75% of online dating users are JUST MEN*. 10-15% of "female" profiles are bots, then we'll say another 5% are using OLD to market for their OF/ p*rn platforms. So out of the remaining 25% of profiles (which is already low enough), that leaves only about 5-10% are women looking for a genuine connection. That means: 1. The imbalance of men to women is not going to work in men's favor no matter who the women are going for. If women were all going for the shortest guys, you still would be left out. 2. Most women aren't even using the apps so most men are actually looking in all the wrong places.
Not to mention the fact that online dating is solely designed to be shallow & make your primary decision based on shallow things... Men absolutely do it too. Pretty boys tend to take better pictures by working the angles & lighting, they also use filters or even get professional ones done. Average men do not seem to put that much effort into their profiles which also does not work in their favor.
Lastly, online dating is a big business now. If it were meant to result in successful matches, they'd lose a lot of users & therefore money. It may have been meant to work at the beginning, but it's now all about maintaining profit. It's also become a playground for sociopaths, serial cheaters & relationship/ hookup hoppers. I honestly don't understand why men even use them anymore if they're just making the male collective feel like sh*t.
So I 100% agree. Let those others have the apps & the rest who want genuine connection go back to doing it the old ways that worked for as long as we've existed.
Totally agree… I’m 53 and I’ve never had a woman care about me,not even for a short time.. despite being told by everyone I’m such a great person, I’ve never had a truly affectionate hug
I wish I could hug you, everyone deserves to feel the warmth of a caring hug. I know I don’t know you you but I truly do care 💜
The unfortunate truth is that no man (or person), is owed this. You can't force woman to care about you, so you'll have to learn to deal with it, or increase your value in some way
Get a passport and hit Thailand or colombia or dr
@@Anotherhandle_name I appreciate that, I get the side hugs from friends wives and that kind of thing, and that’s fine but that’s not what feeds your soul,people say a man needs confidence,how does one find confidence when no woman will spend time with him or touch him and I’m not talking sexually,just a pat on the back would be nice from time to time,
@@SteveJonesOwnsDSP nobody owes me anything, and how did you come to that conclusion by what I said????
"When you ask yourself "Why am I not putting an end to my suffering?" and my only argument is "It would make my mother sad."
This is 100% me 9 years ago. She was the only person that helped keep me going and it literally saved my life. I'm glad that I listened and said "No" when I considered just "giving up". My quality of life has improved a lot. I'm still lonely with not knowing what it's like to be in love, but at least I'm able to enjoy life and experience happiness.
Then it will sooner or later develope into "I'd do her a favor."
@@ucnguyenanh9414 I used to have an uncle who came to a similar conclusion. He couldn't have been more wrong.
@@DragoonWarrior790 But he did come to that conclusion didn't he
@@ucnguyenanh9414 Do you get off on rubbing salt in other people's wounds? Yes, he did, but he was wrong. He scarred his entire immediate family for life. I got to the point of considering "self-deletion" twice, but I said no every time and I'm glad I did. My life eventually got a lot better. My uncle could have had a better life if he held on a bit longer. Less than one year after he passed, the medical industry came out with a new medication to treat the condition that he had. The results were very positive as most people's condition improved with little to no side effects.
12:10 I think Krystal missed the point here. Shoe0nHead actually didnt say men WANT to be the breadwinner, but rather that they are EXPECTED to out earn partners in order to attract them. I think this is a rather harmful misinterpretation of the big picture and the issue, which is double -standards. i.e. in a world where you are told you can be whatever you want to be, there are still double standards and expectations that disqualify you from aspects of life (in this case dating).
It also sets mutually exclusive and contradictory expectations - we need to get rid of the wage gap (which we measure by averages) but men still have to earn more than women to attract them
@@Alticroo
I do know couples where the woman earns more than the man, and that is increasingly common.
But the persistant lie about the gender wage gap is not helping women to adjust to more realistic expectations. Surely if men outearn women there should be loads of potential providers, she must assume!
I may just be speaking for myself, but I think there is a very deep-seated desire in men to be providers and take care of the people they love.
@@Kylephibbsky Not only that, but if he offers the choice to the mother, she will choose to stay at home, so these aren't roles forced on women by men. Feminists completely misrepresent whose decisions shape gender roles.
This is a real issue. My heart goes out to men. They don’t have it easy. They really don’t…screw what the media is spewing.
As a male, thank you for your support. It won't be easy, from both sides, to hold that view. Sadly some men are very bitter and may react negatively to support, but if ever that's the case, don't let that deter your stance. And thank you for standing against popular current.
No one uses the word 'Philogyny' any more.
Actions speak louder than words.
Words are cheap.
Thank you for your kindness. :)
@@Tiger74147 woods
"The solution to male loneliness is literally just being a better person" - I guarantee that this is coming from a person who says "okay boomer" anytime someone gives her advice along the lines of pulling herself up by her bootstraps.
I dunno. I was a really shy teenager, and it reminds me of "just be yourself". "But I don't know what that is", I would have replied had I thought of things in those terms back then.
"The solution to male loneliness is literally just being a better person" is so much more obnoxious though, not least of which because it follows that if you're lonely, it's because your quality as a human being is insufficient. Great, great advice to give someone who's depressed.
Imagine conservatives telling women "Ummm have you tried not murdering babies?" as a solution for their problems.
Absolute brain rot from the "progressives".
or the classic, " If you're homeless, just buy a house."
@@Aw3someOpZ what a dumb comparison. that's like those people that say that doing drugs is the same as eating chocolate too often or drinking a few glasses of wine or whatever. cmon now.
i could understand if your definition of not being lonely is suddenly finding a perfect top model wife and having a bunch of kids and being a millionaire that is a part of the local community or whatever. but that's the equivalent of saying that having a vehicle means having a bugatti, or that avoiding starvation means eating those 1000 dollar fancy japanese steaks that come from cows that get massages and that listen to music and everything to make them relax and make the meat more tender.
maybe you are not good with women, but there is no excuse for being lonely in the sense of being alone and not knowing anyone. there are so many things that you can do. go fly a remote controlled toy airplane or a remote controlled toy car, go jump off a cliff with a parachute or one of those wingsuits that allow you to glide, go to the mountains to ride down those bicycle trails and maybe even learn how to do the jumps or whatever, get a motorcycle and go meet with people and ride around, go fishing, go build sandcastles.. whatever the heck. it doesn't matter. you can find groups of people that are doing literally anything that you can imagine. just pick something that you like and go and do it and you will meet people. shit, even just bringing your dog to the dog park will allow you to meet people. there is no excuse. even if you say that you are socially handicapped and that you have trouble talking to people, you can still find something. i just read a message above in which the guy mentioned something about how he is now a level 19 elf arcane trickster in a computer game, whatever that means. said that he did it because his friend asked him to try it, and that he liked it and had fun. and i'm sure you can meet nerds like that in real life too.. so not being good at talking with people and being a shy and reserved person is not an excuse. you can meet people like that and they themselves will probably be very happy to have a new person to talk to and maybe even become friends with over the years.. who knows? you can't know until you go out and try it.
so yeah, if someone says that they can't even meet a group of shy and like-minded nerds to have fun with and interact with, then there is something wrong with that person. either he is not even trying, or he is just a crappy person to the point where even the nerds that have issues with meeting people don't want anything to do with such a person.
and who knows, if you do this, maybe you will even meet someone and fall in love and everything. sure beats sitting alone staring at a computer monitor and complaining about how everything sucks. that will do you no good. also think about your expectations and don't exaggerate. maybe you wanna date taylor swift and be friends with bill gates, but that's not just gonna fall out of the sky for you. you are gonna have to work your way there.
@@jessejordache1869 Funny how "just be yourself" is applied to dating, but "fake it till you make it" is for work.
I would also add that "just be a better person" is so similar to feminists telling all men to learn not to grape.
My own daughter has said to my face that men are shit and are not needed. I have loved and supported her her whole life It pretty tough to hear.
Never in my life did I think I would live to see Shoe featured prominently not once but twice on national media outlets
I'm pretty sure Shoe has more subscribers than BP
@@thomaspeck430 She does so it's funny hearing her use "like" a lot as a nervous tick here. I guess she doesn't typically do live stuff though so maybe it makes sense to be nervous when she's known for her likely heavily edited videos. But she does have a larger subscriber base currently.
"national media" - its the internet, relax bruv
@@johnbaker7322 another nerd
@@obiwankenobi661Establishment media is dead so more people are going to see you on the internet in a prerecorded on demand video than aired live during a specific time segment that you'd have to be there to catch.
I mentioned the dating app thing about 5 years ago on reddit. How thr majority of women only go for a few men and how easy dating apps are for them. They said it was "incel content" despite me providing links to articles supporting the case and permanently banned me.
Look where we are now LOL.
Statistics and facts are an inconvenient truth that violate muh feelings.
Men I think are four more times as likely to use things like.. well I don't know the popular ones since I decided there was no room in my life for them, so it's a women's market among straight people. The problem is that people are taking things they're learning from dating apps and letting it form their opinions about the wider world. Men: women have unrealistic standards about everything, they're not nice, and they date up the social ladder. Women: Even the highest quality men are gross. Anyway my friends and I seem to be desired by everyone so "you go, girl".
I recall many years ago on social media, that women would be arguing about safety on college campuses or something. When solutions were presented such as learn martial arts or travel in groups, the women would just call the men "incels" for suggesting ways of protecting themselves.
@@rodiusmaximus I believe it. That word barely retains its original meaning anymore. It's just thrown around too freely. It's merely a standard, go-to insult for any man online that makes a solid point that can't be refuted.
It's also funny how some women will claim body count doesn't matter and yet use "incel" as an insult. Why/how is that insult if body count doesn't matter? They refute their own logic lol.
No worries. It's still considered a bannable offense to say that out loud
I got teary eyed hearing this. I’m not looking for sympathy. It just hit home for me that’s all.
keep your head up brother. i feel your pain from where i am. hope you break free
Not saying this is a Solutions but find a hobby bro you got this! Even if it's playing online with friends. There is light in all.
Feel you bro
Men feel best when they are heros. A hero to your wife to your children and family. When you're providing that's gone in the modern world.
Get off the web.go out do things you enjoy..that's a start
Woman: "Men need to show more emotions."
Man: 'Tries with no resources to help'
Woman: "Yea, Male Suicide Rates need to be higher. 😂"
Modern dating goes like this:
Meet Johnny Kim: He’s a Navy SEAL, Astronaut, Doctor, and pilot.
Women: “Eww he’s only 5’11””
😢
Women: I'm gonna cheat on him and somehow convince myself I'm justified and actually I'm even doing him a favor. This is gonna teach him to be more fucking confident. No I'm fine bros I'm good.
I've seen lots of women thirsting over Cillian Murphy lately since Oppenheimer came out. Too bad that 5'7" "dusty" is so far beneath their standards.
...have you guys tried getting off dating apps and getting a hobby that involves other people and actually talking to women who aren't basic and vapid? The stuff you say sounds so ridiculous to people who meet normal women out in the world. Clearly these apps are filled with narcissists...get off.
I met my partner of 7 years in a physics lab. She's great, and all these "characterization" of women ya'll speak about sound literally laughable in her context. Like she's shopping around for some "HiGh VaLuE mAn" 😂. She was a virgin when we started dating.
@@geometerfpv2804 I know enough about the problems of dating apps that I'm not interested in using them. And correct, get a hobby which allows you to meet people.
So happy you talked about this.
Loneliness is torture.
Years of depression has only made it worse.
Isn't it ironic that they don't get a man like Jordan Peterson on to talk about mens issues....they need some leftist female influencer
@@nategin9009 Not ironic, performative. It's just a performance of sympathy. It's certainly not empathy. They're not capable of it. Not even my own mother and sister are capable of it and they're the best women I know. The most loving.
@@michaeldavid6832absolutely true, it’s said that women are the more empathetic gender, I think that the only thing they’re good at is PR
From being an incel to trying to understand Feminist, the “just be a better person” is what drives men to frustration. I’m not worried about myself because I’m an adult, I worry about younger boys who are being told that being a man is “toxic”.
It's gaslighting at its purest form because women chase criminal psychopaths with face tats.
I am of the belief that if they would just stop telling men they are toxic and stop male bashing the problem would go away
Just be Chad bro if you want women throwing themselves on you. I am sorry, you don’t have the genetics? Too bad…
@@hallowakers3d2y The problem is women never liking men enough. It will not go away.
@@insomniacresurrected1000 Women only like men they can use. Or think they can use. So men have to be or appear useful, to keep women interested. Which is why unemployed men pretend to be doctors or rocket scientists when women ask what they do, to get women (which they do, as long as they can keep the illusion going). But still, what kind of life is that for men, having to always appear useful? Never be weak, never complain, never be tired on the weekends, and so on. I would like to turn the question around: what is there to like about women these days? Except for the obvious, which shouldnt be enough for any self respecting man.
The irony of this topic of men and Krystal Ball being a host who married a man for his millions then cheated on him and divorced him for that money. She can't pretend to care about men's bad situations in society when she is one of the perpetrators men are self deleting over and feeling betrayed in society over, ie, only being cared about for resources and not really being loved.
This is spot on. Thanks for talking about it. The comment that said "I just want someone to care about me other than my mom and dad." hit home in a big way.
After a decade of trying to find someone on online dating apps... online dating apps are definitely not the answer, if anything it makes it worse.
You must have been very ignorant towards the manosphere warning you about these apps.
@@NoidoDev I really haven't heard "the manosphere" talk about this. Have you got a specific quote in mind?
Dating apps are great if you're in the top 20% looks wise, 8s 9s and 10s. If you're slightly above average, 5 6 7 you can get some dates or hookups if you make a lot of effort. If you're below average or ugly they are a complete waste of time. These apps are a force multiplier for all women and the top men. Men date down. Women date up. 30% of women are single and 60% of men are single because women would rather share a chad than date a normie.
They work for me
@@NoidoDev If you want to be a normal well adjuster person who isn’t lonely, stay as far away from the “manosphere” as possible.
"Men wouldn't be lonely if they were better people" meanwhile a LOT of women pick the loud jerk over the nice guy. Then they complain "all men are jerks!" when it all blows up in their face.
What you just said makes no sense...if women are picking the loud jerks then the men that are "being better people: will still be lonely.
@@kane99560that's what he just said.... The statement makes no sense.
@@kane99560 you're making the same point bro.
@kevinus99 only a few men are banging. That means women are banging the same guy until they hit the wall. By then, a lot of men are saying I am good.
Those jerks woo them and then when they show their real face they get left. They end up lonely and angry. They die alone. Just ask nursing home workers that talk to these men confessing all their loud jerk behavior that made them alone in the end.
Who'd have thought that decades of telling men they're all terrible for being male would have a negative effect?
Shoe is amazing. I've known about her work since back in 2015. She always has her finger on the pulse. She knows what's going on and hardly ever misses.
To be honest, I started to see my husband just as a vulnerable human as me. Because now i had a son; and i could see him with no malice, no ill intentions, not hormone driven... just my little baby. It made me see my husband's love as more pure, deep, and real than i have ever experienced "being in love".
And you needed a baby to realise your husband was a human being? You make women sound terrible. Empathetic, yeah right
Look at the video women have 0 empathy self absorbed, selfish beings
@@chiputiman why would you expect more from a woman? seriously men are dumb too enabling women's terrible behaviour
@@chiputiman not my man. And that was my point.
@@chiputimango br cringe somewhere else. This is not a safe space for maladjusted young men. This is a response section not entirely about the issue itself, but about the perception of men's issues by the general population.
@FromDataMakeInfo s comment is relevant because she is saying that for all her life men were perceived to be super capable, as having all the cards, protected her, or were powerful, scary, or to be avoided. It took having a son to see that men have the same capacity for non-conditional love and the same capacity to be hurt as women. This isn't a unique experience for people.
I appreciated shoe's video since it boiled down to how do we help people.
You take them to church and get then in touch with our healer the lord Jesus!
Oh yeah fairy tales will help
@@chrissantos5580 meaningful archetypical narratives from wisdom traditions can and will help, it's how humanity learned and grew culture for tens of thousands of years. What do you think causes a meme to go viral? What does it mean to you for a story to impact billions? It's more than a simple fairy tale and there is plenty of wisdom to be gleaned from a good fairy tale as well. Just my .02.
@@danellclark5470h aahahaha
@@danellclark5470gotta remember, not everyone follows the same faith. It is wrong to parade personal religious beliefs on others. Even Jesus let people have their own opinions in the Bible.
Red pillers call me a simp because my girlfriend has ten times the wealth as me. Since we started dating her father passed away and she inherited over two million dollars, so I guess that now makes me a beta.
Absolutely true. Online dating for a man is like screaming into the void and hoping to hear anything back. It makes you feel worthless as you see an empty inbox and ignored messages to those you supposedly are mutually matched to. Even worse when you hear women complain about apps for the exact opposite problem of having too much engagement.
Problem for women is unchecked predators. I tried playing an online game once . Other party asks me for sex in an online game of ludo. Can you imagine how much it makes a women insecure. Most women face catcalling or sexual harassment several times in their lifetime. It makes women extremely cautious.
Who knows these things might be causing even psychological trauma in many women which gets triggered when even normal men approach.
Personally I have faced groping and catcalling. At that moment, women will hate even themselves for being a women.
Putting forward another perspective that it's not easy for women too when men approaches them. A lot of time it does make women uncomfortable. A lot of times it doesn't. Depends on people involved.
Also lots of women are scared of meeting the wrong guy .
Many times women are also ghosted . Made to feel worthless. Many times our wishes and decisions have been ignored.
So many times we hear statements like women are golddigger or women should only cook and raise children. Or women have it easy. That it fills your heart with disappointment no longer willing to go into any relationship.
Just the other end of spectrum from a woman's perspective.
Many great men and decent ones too exist. Proverb -mouth once burned of milk will drink even a cold drink with caution. Fits best for many women's life.
If they actually wanted to they could have interviewed the creator of the redpill movie and what she learned interviewing MRA people or a male content creator that speaks on men’s issues…. A perfect example would have been Kevin Samuels. This is just feel good journalism.
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@bapparawal2457 hold on, online gaming trolls make you insecure? Wtf?
I' remember talking with a group of women from work who said they parcel out sex to their boyfriends and husbands according to what chores he's done around the house or what he's bought for them lately, each nodding to each other approvingly. When I said that makes both sex and love merely transactional and not at all based on desire and affection, I remember one saying, "He just doesn't get it," and a couple more nodding. Just a, "those are the rules of the game" attitude by women who shouldn't be thinking of relationships in terms of games and transactions if they want to have real relationships in the first place. Single mothers all, by the way. Not all of whom even had a relationship at the time. They didn't realize that in diminishing others, they had also diminished themselves. There's a reason that "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you" is called the Golden Rule. People just need to treat each other better and not so opportunistically if they want the world to be better.
Sex for chores sounds like emotional abuse and I'd consider yourself lucky that you know better than to buy into that
@@spicymemes7458 Yup. A couple of them looked at me like I was crazy for not thinking that as long as the sex-contract was fulfilled according to their pretty cold-blooded transactional terms, a guy should feel fine about the way the relationship was working. I'm pretty sure that explained why they were alone. A good partner wants a partner, not a ... I don't know, thing to be used.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 I had one of those transactional dynamics before. I know it's wrong now, but back then, I thought that was the norm. I didn't know that was manipulation. I'm pickier now about who I sleep with. I just want it to have some weight, some importance when it happens.
@@spicymemes7458 I can understand that. Women have the most to lose, so they should be more picky than men, and want something dependable and substantive - both different ways of saying truly loving - in their lives. They especially should be trying to build a solid relationship rather than a blur of experiences that won't add up to a lot in the end and that may even tend to make them less able to form emotional attachments.
I saved sex for marriage, cause I wanted that to be my gift to my wife and only her. It completely intertwined all aspects of romantic love to my sexuality, and removed more mind games and excuses from the situation than I even thought possible when I first made that decision. I've had many attractive girlfriends who knew I'd never go all the way with them unless they married me, and it really worked wonders weeding out the "transactional" women you're talking about.
Men, own your sex. Don't fall for the whole Tate "access to women" mirage that actually traps _you_ in a powerless cycle of being a slave to women like this. Those women are looking for men who are slaves to their instincts (i.e. "me want sex") so they can manipulate them til the sex gets old and they start fantasizing about a new model. On the flip side, the most attractive thing to a truly good woman who is _wife material_ is integrity, dependability, and proven self-control. Be like that, and find a woman like that yourself, and you'll do great. And sex with her will still feel like the best thing in the world!
Escaping the life of an involuntary celibate means becoming attractive enough to no longer be celibate... _AND THEN,_ now that you hold all the cards to be a guy who sleeps around... _DON'T._ Instead, hold onto that value and prove you can keep it. Invest in your integrity, invest in your reputation, and you'll weed out the manipulators and find someone who wishes more men like you existed.
This is not only young single men. Im 47, married for over 20 years have a beautiful daughter and a decent job but I’m lonely. I have no one to talk to. I have no friends, the only one I had backstabbed me after more than 20 years of “friendship” . Tried having conversations with my wife but she is not interested in anything I have to say. It is what it is take your baggage of unfulfillments in life and move on guys.
Shit advice man
Get into whiskey. It's the new refuge hobby for men 😊
They would rather see you die riding that horse than try to help pick you back up when you fall off of it.
Don't you wanna try some therapy? It really helps a lot.
"married for over 20 years"
"Tried having conversations with my wife but she is not interested in anything I have to say"
Damn. How does that even happen?
Please can we drop the notion that men feel somehow 'inferior' if a woman earns more money, men do not care emotionally how much a woman makes. The only time he would care is for practical reasons like building a future if in a committed relationship.
Attaching emotion to resources is a feminine trait.