The advice about not locking out the arms is the most helpful part of this video. Keeps the tension on the shoulder and allows you to do better, cleaner reps that feel so much better.
Sometimes more is less! People confuse range of motion with constant tension on the target muscle. Keep in mind shoulders are extremely small muscles which do not need full range of motion to fill up with blood
Also click the angle of the Bench back an extra one. Its not cheating but rather more of a natural movement and will also contract some upper chest as well
3 important tips for free that is not mentioned in this video: 1- Use your hips to get the dumbbells to the starting point if you struggle. 2- Lower that bench for 10-15 degrees to decrease the arc in your back and take the pressure off. 3- Lay your head to the back and don't move it while you are lifting and beware that the dumbbells are not too ahead of your head. (It caused me pull a muscle on my neck since the neck takes the pressure if the dumbbells are too ahead).
Lots of different advice on this. Some say lock out at top and dont come down too far. I only take advise from the people that look good. Jay's advise is obviously spot on 💪💪
I think the advise is depends on the objective and the sport. Some are focus on contraction and time under tension, some focus more on shoulder health, some just want to lift heavy, so basically take all advise and see which is suit you the most
Depends on what you're trying to get, if you want to strengthen your shoulder muscles you want to lockout. There is no "right way" this is advice for bodybuilders who want to get as much tension as they can.
Is it wrong if i hold dumbbells in another direction?I mean,i just change the direction of my wrist (i mean,normally your pinkie is facing to your sides,but my pinkie is facing forward)
TheUnderdog6 In the normal position your pinky is facing away from your sides. I'm not quite sure how you would do shoulder presses with your pinky facing your sides?
Imagine the horror everyone feels when they see Jay putting his elbows almost in line with the shoulders. Where as nowadays online most people advise against that. Ain't nobody gonna argue with Jay here though xD
Is it okay to keep arms straight out and wrists forward? I thought it was healthier to slightly rotate your grip forward ...someone knowledgeable please help!
Thats completely fine. He specified he didn't want triceps to be targeted as much as he wants the shoulders to be under constant tension. Its best to have 1 or 2 excercises where you lock out at the top, but also 1 or 2 where you aren't. I personally lock out at the primary excercises but for the secondary excercises I lighten the weight and don't lock out so that the shoulders/chest are targeted more.
@@takenghost7036 It shouldn’t hurt. Working out isn’t supposed to hurt you. Exhaust and strain you, yes, but not in an injurious way, and that’s what someone is implying is happening when they say it’s hurting.
The answer depends on what is hurting. But for starters, I suggest lighter weight. If anything hurts, stop. Your technique is almost certainly bad. I would keep watching videos on technique, and try with very light weight. Even start with no weight and try out various tips on technique you’ve heard with just your arms until it feels right. Gradually increase weight, and if anything feels wrong, stop again.
Excellent presentation on how to do a half-rep, high-incline chest press with dumbbells. If you really want to exercise your shoulders, the standing dumbbell press, and weighted pull-ups, are the only way to go.
squirrel dude this isn’t baseball , it’s bodybuilding , everyone does roids??? You’re the type of guy who makes no gains and blames it on the fact he isn’t on drugs . Stop being a hater
I can't get 100 lbs dumbbells from my quads up to starting point position but I can press them for 20 reps. That's weird I see some ppl they don't have a problem with it all
and this is relevant because? the man is teaching you how to do an exercise to maximise gains and safely so just shut up and learn from it instead of hating on him. even if someone takes roids you still need to put in the work to get in good shape
yes you right you still have to put a lot of work but only one but when you take anabolic drugs you get lot stronger faster recovery and more energy and growth don't forget that. So steroids DO help a lot ! Without steroids you can NOT achieve this type of body mass. You can be cut without steroids yes no problem you don't need drugs to get cut but if you wanna be muscular massive you NEED fucking STEROIDS ! And its not hating its a FACT AND THE TRUTH that bodybuilders does not like to talk about because steroids illegal and you can get busted for that ! And if somebody saying truth about something its not hate its just being truthful /honest .
Kyle Williams I think your lost, he is teaching us how to use the exersise effectively, and FYI try using steroids and it won't do fuck all unless you work your ass off in the gym you fucking troll
He's not locking up at the top not because it's not the right thing to do (his words) but most likely because he has poor shoulder mobility / lacks flexibility. A lot of bodybuilders do - their bodies are just not functional.
I love to see all the skinny dudes in the gym, who pick up the 30-32kg dumbells and making 1 or 2 half reps with the worst form and think they are Hulk. xD
Milen Penev 🤣 u r one of those illiterate gym guru..keep in mind kid , your joint will fucked up if u try to do ur lockout way in every exercise ..the important part is constant tension within the muscle
This is for shoulder isolation like Jay said, which is better for bodybuilding. You can go all the way up if you want, but it starts to recruit muscles other than the shoulders. He’s a 4x Mr. Olympia bodybuilder, not a strength athlete. He trains to stimulate the muscles and make them grow, for the goal of changing his physique. He doesn’t train to move weights.
Good video, but I disagree with not locking out. 1) It's bad for the elbow joints to work in partials over a lenghty peroid of time. 2) The shoulders are under constant tension at the top... 3) Why not bring the triceps in? That will make a way better carry over to the bench press etc. It's things like these that make people spent way much more time in the gym than needed
+Imperi4lEdits it seems like you're the one who's lacking, you don't understand? "why not bring the triceps in?" because this is a shoulder workout not fucking triceps. and yeah he doesn't lock out because at the top of the motion it is all triceps which is really only wearing him out and not working the shoulder as much as it is the tricep. the whole point of the way he does this exercise is to isolate the front delt and no other muscle. are you gonna go and tell Marcus Ruhl he built his delts wrong too?
I've been the type that does the clicking of the dumbbells at the top. I trained shoulders yesterday and I actually do feel some soreness in my left tricep. Wont make that mistake ever again. I even asked myself "why do I always click them at the top if Military/barbell Shoulder press there is no clicking involved & your hands are at the same spot the whole time?" I've been going to the gym for years, thank you for this video
You should be pushing straight up, not towards the center of your head. If you push towards your head, you’ll be putting more emphasis on triceps. Makes sense that they were sore.
I am really confused i see this that says to set the arms almost out to the side of the shoulder. Then i see other videos that say your arms kneed to be about at a 30 degree bend
It depends what you mean by straining. If it's just a normal burn from lifting the weight than that should be fine. If it is some sort of pain or discomfort like a pinching feeling in your shoulder, you should stop and do a set of face pulls to active your rotator cuff.
I was wondering I saw some where that u should position your arms almost like your doing a arnold press. Also should you square your shoulders when you do a shoulder press
Just one of many things I have learned form Jay over the years. That and basmati rice and orange roughy are awesome I like to do mine with steamed asparagus too. And of course eziekiel bread and steel cut oats for my carbs but I have to say I don't like in and out Burger at all.
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The advice about not locking out the arms is the most helpful part of this video. Keeps the tension on the shoulder and allows you to do better, cleaner reps that feel so much better.
Sometimes more is less! People confuse range of motion with constant tension on the target muscle. Keep in mind shoulders are extremely small muscles which do not need full range of motion to fill up with blood
He's huge! Can't wait to see him compete again. I still remember those crazy quads when he came in shredded 2003!!
Did 8 hours of shoulder presses to confuse the body. now i cant fit thru any door. Whatever it takes
Keep yo ring
+Silent Psykosis yup!
Silent Psykosis fair enough
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If only it worked that way :(
also guys if you have any shoulder problem its better to bring them a litlle bit forward
Thank you Pepe
Sometimes this brings more pain
Also click the angle of the Bench back an extra one. Its not cheating but rather more of a natural movement and will also contract some upper chest as well
I actually feel more pain when I do that. For me it’s the best to bring the shoulders all tze way back
@@TheChinchilla15 that isnt an overhead press its an incorrect incline press and will bang your shoulders up. Incline should be done at 45 degrees max
As best I can tell you, this is good sound advice from one of the best ever Thank You Jay
3 important tips for free that is not mentioned in this video:
1- Use your hips to get the dumbbells to the starting point if you struggle.
2- Lower that bench for 10-15 degrees to decrease the arc in your back and take the pressure off.
3- Lay your head to the back and don't move it while you are lifting and beware that the dumbbells are not too ahead of your head. (It caused me pull a muscle on my neck since the neck takes the pressure if the dumbbells are too ahead).
Maybe that happens exactly because you're laying your head to the back and lowering the bench?
I always like the confuse the body jokes 😂
lol
To
Right, babe?
Lots of different advice on this. Some say lock out at top and dont come down too far. I only take advise from the people that look good. Jay's advise is obviously spot on 💪💪
I think the advise is depends on the objective and the sport. Some are focus on contraction and time under tension, some focus more on shoulder health, some just want to lift heavy, so basically take all advise and see which is suit you the most
Very nice vid Jay, please more of these please
This is an epic tip. best ever.
thanks Jay
I always lock out at the top because my dumbbell shoulder press is an accessory for my barbell strict press.
He says contraction of the shoulders but I think he means stretch as the contraction happens at the top
Depends on what you're trying to get, if you want to strengthen your shoulder muscles you want to lockout. There is no "right way" this is advice for bodybuilders who want to get as much tension as they can.
He's good, maybe one day he'll become Mr Olympia
You can press higher but it will affect different muscles. If you aren't a bodybuilder you don't need to do it his way.
Thanks! ✔
Do you need to keep elbows flared at 45?
start at 1:10
thnx man :)
I'm legally changing my name to Paulie cutler priest !
Do you have to be seated at a 90 degree?
jays my fav. still big as fuck
any reason why my back hurts when i do this?
Is it wrong if i hold dumbbells in another direction?I mean,i just change the direction of my wrist (i mean,normally your pinkie is facing to your sides,but my pinkie is facing forward)
TheUnderdog6 In the normal position your pinky is facing away from your sides. I'm not quite sure how you would do shoulder presses with your pinky facing your sides?
Tristan V Yeah i made mistake,i wanted to say that normally your pinkie is facing right (right hand) and left (left hand)
Imagine the horror everyone feels when they see Jay putting his elbows almost in line with the shoulders.
Where as nowadays online most people advise against that.
Ain't nobody gonna argue with Jay here though xD
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Is it okay to keep arms straight out and wrists forward? I thought it was healthier to slightly rotate your grip forward ...someone knowledgeable please help!
Neutral grip with your elbows tucked more forwards would be safer and less likely to cause shoulder impingement.
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Contraction is at the top , Jay - the shoulder gets stretched at the bottom of the movement... pretty basic stuff and a little embarrassing
You know what’s good for shoulder pain?
What
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Ya Eating 65 for lunch brother thanks for the tips.
No lockout at the top? I prefer to lock it out bc I’d rather my body have the ability to press completely in the vertical plane.
You’ll feel more tension and get a better pump if you can avoid lockout. I still lockout on some reps to get a rest.
Thats completely fine. He specified he didn't want triceps to be targeted as much as he wants the shoulders to be under constant tension. Its best to have 1 or 2 excercises where you lock out at the top, but also 1 or 2 where you aren't. I personally lock out at the primary excercises but for the secondary excercises I lighten the weight and don't lock out so that the shoulders/chest are targeted more.
When I do shoulders, my shoulders hurt! Any suggestions??
What do you expect? Of course it’s going to hurt
@@takenghost7036 It shouldn’t hurt. Working out isn’t supposed to hurt you. Exhaust and strain you, yes, but not in an injurious way, and that’s what someone is implying is happening when they say it’s hurting.
The answer depends on what is hurting. But for starters, I suggest lighter weight. If anything hurts, stop. Your technique is almost certainly bad. I would keep watching videos on technique, and try with very light weight. Even start with no weight and try out various tips on technique you’ve heard with just your arms until it feels right. Gradually increase weight, and if anything feels wrong, stop again.
Excellent presentation on how to do a half-rep, high-incline chest press with dumbbells. If you really want to exercise your shoulders, the standing dumbbell press, and weighted pull-ups, are the only way to go.
Thanks Jay :-)
Look like he was working to press them
Why he is always red
I touching them together lol
No cheating you say? Look at yourself mister natural
squirrel dude this isn’t baseball , it’s bodybuilding , everyone does roids??? You’re the type of guy who makes no gains and blames it on the fact he isn’t on drugs . Stop being a hater
I can't get 100 lbs dumbbells from my quads up to starting point position but I can press them for 20 reps. That's weird I see some ppl they don't have a problem with it all
He doesn't look like an NFL Quarterback.
buddy your on crank so any kind of for would work for you.
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too much of a pain in the ass doing db presses ..(getting them up - changing weights) , just rather do barbell presses..
Also, don't forget to use roids
and this is relevant because?
the man is teaching you how to do an exercise to maximise gains and safely so just shut up and learn from it instead of hating on him.
even if someone takes roids you still need to put in the work to get in good shape
yes you right you still have to put a lot of work but only one but when you take anabolic drugs you get lot stronger faster recovery and more energy and growth don't forget that. So steroids DO help a lot ! Without steroids you can NOT achieve this type of body mass. You can be cut without steroids yes no problem you don't need drugs to get cut but if you wanna be muscular massive you NEED fucking STEROIDS ! And its not hating its a FACT AND THE TRUTH that bodybuilders does not like to talk about because steroids illegal and you can get busted for that ! And if somebody saying truth about something its not hate its just being truthful /honest .
Kyle Williams I think your lost, he is teaching us how to use the exersise effectively, and FYI try using steroids and it won't do fuck all unless you work your ass off in the gym you fucking troll
my shoulder grow more faster after i use this tech (without streoid), the top contraction really kill my shoulder
take steroid and come back when you won MrOlympia, loser
He's not locking up at the top not because it's not the right thing to do (his words) but most likely because he has poor shoulder mobility / lacks flexibility. A lot of bodybuilders do - their bodies are just not functional.
I just watched a video of Arnold from the 80s and he’s tiny compared to jay
Sorry jay I don't agree ! Coming down below parallel puts a lot stress on the rotator cuff muscles and that's not full range of motion.
You're not Jay Cutler
I love to see all the skinny dudes in the gym, who pick up the 30-32kg dumbells and making 1 or 2 half reps with the worst form and think they are Hulk. xD
Why would you want to listen to anyone else lol ?
So the right way is to do half a rep? Omg ....
+Milen Penev those arent half reps
It's not half a rep, it's a proper rep!
Milen Penev 🤣 u r one of those illiterate gym guru..keep in mind kid , your joint will fucked up if u try to do ur lockout way in every exercise ..the important part is constant tension within the muscle
This is for shoulder isolation like Jay said, which is better for bodybuilding. You can go all the way up if you want, but it starts to recruit muscles other than the shoulders. He’s a 4x Mr. Olympia bodybuilder, not a strength athlete. He trains to stimulate the muscles and make them grow, for the goal of changing his physique. He doesn’t train to move weights.
I think he tells us to not fully extend our arms because his arms don’t extend any farther.
Mad how many people on here no more than 1 of the greatest bodybuilders of all time ... get off ur key board n get on stage u sausages
👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
This guy talks a lot and says nothing! Nothing mystical about eating healthily and exercising regularly.
Good video, but I disagree with not locking out. 1) It's bad for the elbow joints to work in partials over a lenghty peroid of time. 2) The shoulders are under constant tension at the top... 3) Why not bring the triceps in? That will make a way better carry over to the bench press etc. It's things like these that make people spent way much more time in the gym than needed
need*
Thx but imma go with jay lol
here we go again obviously your gonna lock out because your worried about the weight, its constant tension to grow the muscle your working....
+PlutoTheGod You lack critical thinking skills mate.
+Imperi4lEdits it seems like you're the one who's lacking, you don't understand? "why not bring the triceps in?" because this is a shoulder workout not fucking triceps. and yeah he doesn't lock out because at the top of the motion it is all triceps which is really only wearing him out and not working the shoulder as much as it is the tricep. the whole point of the way he does this exercise is to isolate the front delt and no other muscle. are you gonna go and tell Marcus Ruhl he built his delts wrong too?
And that's the right way. Because Jay Cutler said so bitches.
been doing it this way now for the last three months. absolute killer advice! really hits the shoulder for TUT
That guy has a very impressive physique. He should consider competing in Mr. Olympia
Are you joking? He's already a 4 time Mr.Olympia
@@4dityavaid he was joking I think
Lol he is joking..
wooosh
😂😂😂😂
I've been the type that does the clicking of the dumbbells at the top. I trained shoulders yesterday and I actually do feel some soreness in my left tricep. Wont make that mistake ever again. I even asked myself "why do I always click them at the top if Military/barbell Shoulder press there is no clicking involved & your hands are at the same spot the whole time?"
I've been going to the gym for years, thank you for this video
You should be pushing straight up, not towards the center of your head. If you push towards your head, you’ll be putting more emphasis on triceps. Makes sense that they were sore.
finally a actually good instructional video that doesn't promote going down to only 90 degrees
Did he say that's the white way to do a shoulder press?
I'm dying
I can't unheard this haha
Great advice. About the only thing I miss by training at home is that long dumbbell rack. Dumbbells are very underrated.
@Boofing Pressies LOL ! Lots of Lonely Widows and Cougars. And I'm a healthy man and I do like those tasty peas.
his tips are simple, sicientific, and powerful!
I am really confused i see this that says to set the arms almost out to the side of the shoulder. Then i see other videos that say your arms kneed to be about at a 30 degree bend
Thank you! Simple and easy to understand! :)
This is one of the few smart profis
nice delt exercise, I am going to include this in my shoulder routine thanks jay
Jay thanks for addressing the clicking together, does my head in at the gym
if i went all the way down my elbows would be at my hips. fuck that, im training my shoulders not destroying them
This guy's pretty big he should consider doing a bodybuilding show
That’s so interesting. This is completely different from how I’ve been doing shoulder press
Right way for a bodybuilder**
eventhough he's on roids, he still teaches the right thing
@King Hannibal You can cheat on a test and still know how to do the problems properly
such a fucking idiot
why does that even matter
Stupidest comment I’ve ever seen in my life
What’s the purpose of commenting this
Any single digit weights or dumbbells irritates me in a gym as well
Should I lower the weight if I feel my muscle is straining
It depends what you mean by straining. If it's just a normal burn from lifting the weight than that should be fine. If it is some sort of pain or discomfort like a pinching feeling in your shoulder, you should stop and do a set of face pulls to active your rotator cuff.
He has a good physique and all, but has he considered improving his quads? Maybe 4x8 stomps?
I like how he insist to tell that you should focus on the moviment and not in weight.
I heard it's better to use incline way
I was wondering I saw some where that u should position your arms almost like your doing a arnold press. Also should you square your shoulders when you do a shoulder press
Thanks Jay, muscle and fitness is the best
Jay Cutler's breath is heavier than my body.
Just one of many things I have learned form Jay over the years. That and basmati rice and orange roughy are awesome
I like to do mine with steamed asparagus too. And of course eziekiel bread and steel cut oats for my carbs but I have to say I don't like in and out Burger at all.
Your left hand is wider and higher than the right.. or my eyes is fucking crooked
light weight baby..........!!!
hi jay ,I would Like to ask what time use drop set and superset in the training is the better thank you !!!!
Should the elbows be tucked in a bit more?
Weight seems heavy 4 him?!
It is 65. Quite heavy if you do it the right way. Also, we do not know if he was training for hours before.
He was talking simultaneously so no it didn't seem heavy for him.
Heavy but still can do 10 reps with proper form is what you should set your goals too. Not too light not too heavy weight.
So should I go almost all the way down to keep constant tension?
Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but look at his right bicep. It looks different from his left. Old injury? (I don't know much about Cutler).
Leo Corona i know he tore his bicep or some shit back in the day and had surgery so thats probably the reason
Have you done them against the wall
Why won't my muscles grow?
Thanks Dude....I've been doing them totally wrong!
why every1 loves jay
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