Catholics say they never "change" in the way we often discuss change today. Meaning the doctrine can be built upon but not done away with. Can we name a few dogma changes that have occurred in the Catholic Church? Not additions. Something like, sex out of wedlock isn't acceptable, now it is?
I’ve got multiple videos on that on the channel. Unfortunately I don’t do links. But if you UA-cam search trinity new life of albany several things should come up.@@SeanzGarage
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Okay I understand, so you're anti-trinitarian. I just watched your video (ua-cam.com/video/QTFp0kVFPt0/v-deo.html) Unfortunately it just went on about how the exact term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible which we all know is a cheap parlor trick in biblical eisegesis. The Bible doesn't use a lot of terms like "abortion" or "pornography" and yet we can still gain a deep moral understanding of the subjects. The Bible also says nothing about Sola Scriptura and yet you believe it. Unfortunately it probably doesn't mention that particular belief because for several hundred years after Jesus the NT scripture was still in the making. For over a thousand years after that most people in the world were illiterate and priced out of owning a Bible anyway. So how again was sola scriptura ever even possible until recent history? Not that it is now either, since most common people will never understand the multiple original languages of the Bible or the historical context in which these scriptures were written). Besides that, you still haven't answered my simple and fair question...how does the Trinity contradict past church teachings?
3:40 Jesus clearly never claimed to be the Father. He said, "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father," and that is speaking of unity with distinction.
I hate to tell you but people in other cultures and religions, who read the bible for the first time away from a Christian church structure, do not assume that the God of the Old Testament is Jesus‘s father. The only day in church history there was ever a perfect organized church was the day of pentecost. Shortly after that, the Church broke up into two factions, Judeo Christians and Pauline Christians. You had the council of Jerusalem around 48 A.D. between Paul and the other apostles.. James went on to include a lot of the law into his Christian views, and Paul went to the gentile with a free from the law view. Hence their arguments over circumcised and uncircumcised. They had an agreement that James and Peter will go to the Jews and Paul to the gentiles. From the formation of the church to 144 A.D. there was no collective writings of apostles, shared amongst any groups of believers. They only had fragments of letters that had been recopied and oral teachings of Jesus. The church as a whole took on more of a Judeo-Christian view once the OT was shared more amongst churches and groups. I’m curious to what the church would look like today if all we had was Paul’s writings and had no OT.
@@RascalKyng What does that have to do with it? There was a Father in heaven, and the "ruler of this world" on the earth which was the god of the old testament (most of the time).
Do you think the MT was doctored to deny the Messianic prophecies? Do you think the Septuagint was doctored to assert Christ? I'm debating whether or not to get Charles Vanderpools Apostolic Greek Polygot.
Note iam not being rude or going on opinion Yes the masotrtic was corrupted to change more prophecies about Christ check the following links ua-cam.com/video/wczieIcwRys/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/I3f82WxIx5Q/v-deo.html There are in fact more prophecies The early church did use the septuagint therefore they used the apocrpha Masotrtic Deliver my soul from the sword, My only life from the power of the dog. Psalms 22:20 NASB bible.com/100/psa.22.20.NASB Brenton septuagint psalm 22 : 20 19But thou, O Lord, remove not my help afar off: be ready for mine aid. 20Deliver my soul from the sword; my only-begotten one from the power of the dog. My only begotten one sounds like Jesus The masotrtic says my only life While the septuagint says my only begotten one
It is true. Sometimes when truth is outside the pale of our structured reality, we reject it initially. But as the Wall is broken, we can then accept it. God Bless!
In this day and age if you try to live as closely to orthodox Christianity as possible, most of the time you get treated like a lunatic. I find this extremely sad. I think Christianity is more than a religion, it's about having a relationship with our saviour and Lord Jesus Christ. I don't see any lunacy about worshipping Jesus.
What about when Jesus said that in the Old Testament Law the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses is required and He says He testifies of Himself and The Father also testifies of HIm. How do you reconcile that with oneness Theology?
Father and Son. But it’s a much longer explanation than I can do justice to in the comment section. See our series on answering Trinitarians toughest questions, and also why I don’t debate in the comment section. Thank you friend.
Although i respectfully do not agree with all of your conclusions of what most people would conclude about the bible and about Jesus if reading through it on a desert island with no preliminary influence to shape their perspective, God bless you for being willing to seek truth outside of allegiance to and submission under the forced and highly popularized 4th century catholic church originated trinitarian dogma. I believe through reading the bible alone and through the vast preponderance of what it says and what Jesus Himself said about God (His Heavenly Father) and separately about Himself (as the Heavenly Father's servant) most people would conclude that Jesus was the perfect, sinless, virgin born, risen Savior, Messiah and Lord, God's servant as a man and not God Himself. The overwhelming preponderance of the bible speaks of the God of Jesus as being the one and only God which is His Heavenly Father. Blessings to all.
peace and amen to pure Christianity. Please consider that the apostles doctrine for church structure has no example of a solo pastor...the apostles ordained elders and Jesus alone was exalted, not man eclipsing His glory or trying to fill His role of being the functioning head of His church. Anything that replaces Christ, especially manmade hierachy or clergy is antichrist. pls visit our website under the About section of our channel.
Jesus said, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word and my Father will come to him and we will make our home with him" (John 14:23). The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of Truth, will be with you and in you (John 14:17). What does Matthew 28:19- 20 say? Baptism in the name of: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Systematic Theology does logically bring one to the concept of the Trinity.
Wake up!!!! The ( NAME)of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,.................Matthew 1:21 clarifies name JESUS....Baptize in name of Jesus Acts 2:38 (One Baptism)
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa More specifically, they were Catholic bishops (except for a few) that said Mass, celebrated the sacraments and taught the Petrine Primacy.
Matthew 28:18-20 (NASB95): 8 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Ephesians 1:3-13 (NASB95): 3 Blessed be the God and FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ (SON), who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the HOLY SPIRIT of promise... Be careful spreading your beliefs. They are near to modalism which is a heresy that cannot be stood for.
Wake up!!!! The ( NAME)of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,.................Matthew 1:21 clarifies name JESUS....Baptize in name of Jesus Acts 2:38 (One Baptism)
Just happened upon this video five years later. I've been watching your Bible reviews for the last three or four years. Knew you were Pentecostal, but not Oneness. It's interesting to see how old heresies keep getting repackaged. Modalism was condemned by the Church because it failed to accurately interpret and teach Scripture, and adhere to the "rule of faith" - the Apostolic Tradition. I'm sorry to learn this about you. I'm sure you have a wonderful community, but it's not Christian. Praying that you will open your eyes, and the Lord will help you come to the true Faith.
The Pre-Nicene church fathers were mostly Trinitarian. For example, Justin Martyr wrote in his book The First Apology (written between 155-157 AD) that there is one God that manifests in 3 Persons. In chapter 63 of his book, he writes that Jesus is God, but whoever says Jesus is the Father does not know God. Justin Martyr was the student of Polycarp who was the student of the Apostle John, and he mirrored their theology. It's true the term Trinity isn't in the Bible, but the word Bible isn't even in the Bible. Theophilus coined the term Trinity in 168 AD in order to easily describe the triune nature of God; Tertullian and Origen used this word in their writings. Even in the Old Testament, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim. Elohim is plural so there is a foreshadowing of the 3 Persons of the Godhead in the Tanak (OT). A majority of Ante-Nicene and Pre-Constantine Christians and church fathers did not have a oneness view of God.
Theophilus of Antioch used the term trias not trinity. The first usage of 3 Persons was by the gnostic valentinus In 149 ad. The early Church conclusively was decidedly not trinitarian. That’s a fact.
Theophilus did use the word trias, but it is reference to a trio. Polycarp (student of the Apostle John), Ignatius of Antioch, Iranaeus (student of both Polycarp and the Apostle John), Tertullian, and Origen make clear references to the 3 Persons of the Godhead in their writings. Trinitarian doctrine is Biblical and was clearly taught way before the Council of Nicea. Respectfully, the early Ante-Nicene Church was Trinitarian. Regarding Valentinus, he is often cited as believing in a Triune Godhead, but there is no evidence of him ever teaching this. He believed in an Aeon called Proarche, Propator, and Bythus who existed with Ennoea, and they supposedly bore Monogenes and Aletheia, and they made their first born Pythagorean Tetrad, from whom 30 Aeons were supposed to come from. Iranaeus wrote extensively against Valentinian teaching, and not once did he (Iranaeus) mention Valentinus believing in the Trinitarian nature of the God of the Bible.
Many False Pagan Religions believe in somekind of trinity.......325 Creed converted true MonoTheistic Christianity to their Pagan Polytheistic Religion....which is Catholicism & any other False Church that believes in the 325 Nicene Creed
If you want an accurate account of pre-Nicene Christianity, then reading Irenaeaus' "Against Heresies" gives a very good look into the teachings of the early Church: "It is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church-those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth". - Ireneaus of Lyons (a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna), Against Heresies, 4:26:2, 180 AD “When we refer to them that tradition which originated from the Apostles, which is preserved by means of the succession of the presbyters in the churches, they object to tradition, saying they themselves are wiser not merely than the presbyters, but even the Apostles”. - Ireneaus of Lyons (a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna), “Against the Heresies”, 3.2.2, 180 AD “…by indicating that tradition derived from the Apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached by men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolic tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere”. - Ireneaus of Lyons [180 AD], “Against Heresies”, 3,3,2
No, u would read the bible and think that Jesus of the NT in no way resembles Jehovah from the OT, in fact they are polar opposites plus you would get the idea that he was warning the Jews that their father was the devil!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa is there a bible verse that says something along the lines of "you must believe jesus is God in order to be saved"? I haven't found one but there are a lot of verses that say you must believe he was the son of God to be saved.
There’s absolutely no real evidence for this. Only similarities between somethings in Christianity with ancient mystery religions. But as you study it, you find no correlation. Christianity sprang from Jewishness.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa it's in the text and writing around that time historians of that time recorded it so yes there's plenty of evidence and sources for it
Where is the Eucharist that was much later than the first century in pulse what do you do with all the Old testament quotes
The OT guy is satan, operating under the name Yahweh.
This is my thoughts... where and how do we get to Eurcharist worship so quickly after John dies?
Catholics say they never "change" in the way we often discuss change today. Meaning the doctrine can be built upon but not done away with. Can we name a few dogma changes that have occurred in the Catholic Church? Not additions. Something like, sex out of wedlock isn't acceptable, now it is?
The trinity
baptism in Jesus name
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Explain how the Trinity contradicts early church teachings.
I’ve got multiple videos on that on the channel. Unfortunately I don’t do links. But if you UA-cam search trinity new life of albany several things should come up.@@SeanzGarage
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Okay I understand, so you're anti-trinitarian. I just watched your video (ua-cam.com/video/QTFp0kVFPt0/v-deo.html) Unfortunately it just went on about how the exact term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible which we all know is a cheap parlor trick in biblical eisegesis. The Bible doesn't use a lot of terms like "abortion" or "pornography" and yet we can still gain a deep moral understanding of the subjects. The Bible also says nothing about Sola Scriptura and yet you believe it. Unfortunately it probably doesn't mention that particular belief because for several hundred years after Jesus the NT scripture was still in the making. For over a thousand years after that most people in the world were illiterate and priced out of owning a Bible anyway. So how again was sola scriptura ever even possible until recent history? Not that it is now either, since most common people will never understand the multiple original languages of the Bible or the historical context in which these scriptures were written). Besides that, you still haven't answered my simple and fair question...how does the Trinity contradict past church teachings?
3:40 Jesus clearly never claimed to be the Father. He said, "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father," and that is speaking of unity with distinction.
I hate to tell you but people in other cultures and religions, who read the bible for the first time away from a Christian church structure, do not assume that the God of the Old Testament is Jesus‘s father. The only day in church history there was ever a perfect organized church was the day of pentecost. Shortly after that, the Church broke up into two factions, Judeo Christians and Pauline Christians. You had the council of Jerusalem around 48 A.D. between Paul and the other apostles.. James went on to include a lot of the law into his Christian views, and Paul went to the gentile with a free from the law view. Hence their arguments over circumcised and uncircumcised. They had an agreement that James and Peter will go to the Jews and Paul to the gentiles. From the formation of the church to 144 A.D. there was no collective writings of apostles, shared amongst any groups of believers. They only had fragments of letters that had been recopied and oral teachings of Jesus. The church as a whole took on more of a Judeo-Christian view once the OT was shared more amongst churches and groups. I’m curious to what the church would look like today if all we had was Paul’s writings and had no OT.
Who do they believe is Jesus Heavenly Father if not the God of OT?
@@andyscheurer6336 Abba
@@andyscheurer6336 The Father which art in Heaven.
@@dorinamary7863
"Heaven" is defined in the OT, so the concept doesn't carry forward...
@@RascalKyng What does that have to do with it? There was a Father in heaven, and the "ruler of this world" on the earth which was the god of the old testament (most of the time).
Understand that Jesus said in the parable, THE FIELD IS THE WORLD, so there is no excuse for sin (sins unto death) in the holy Christian Church!
Pre-Nicene Christianity = True Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
Thank you Pastor Steve.
Blessings from Stockton California Christian Life Center UPC.
Amen! Great Church!
Do you think the MT was doctored to deny the Messianic prophecies? Do you think the Septuagint was doctored to assert Christ? I'm debating whether or not to get Charles Vanderpools Apostolic Greek Polygot.
No and no
Note iam not being rude or going on opinion
Yes the masotrtic was corrupted to change more prophecies about Christ check the following links
ua-cam.com/video/wczieIcwRys/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/I3f82WxIx5Q/v-deo.html
There are in fact more prophecies
The early church did use the septuagint therefore they used the apocrpha
Masotrtic
Deliver my soul from the sword, My only life from the power of the dog.
Psalms 22:20 NASB
bible.com/100/psa.22.20.NASB
Brenton septuagint psalm 22 : 20 19But thou, O Lord, remove not my help afar off: be ready for mine aid.
20Deliver my soul from the sword; my only-begotten one from the power of the dog.
My only begotten one sounds like Jesus
The masotrtic says my only life
While the septuagint says my only begotten one
thank you...great perspective on the era and time transition..
Thanks!
Somehow this doesn't resonate, but know you are sincere and trying to help people.
It is true. Sometimes when truth is outside the pale of our structured reality, we reject it initially. But as the Wall is broken, we can then accept it. God Bless!
In this day and age if you try to live as closely to orthodox Christianity as possible, most of the time you get treated like a lunatic. I find this extremely sad. I think Christianity is more than a religion, it's about having a relationship with our saviour and Lord Jesus Christ. I don't see any lunacy about worshipping Jesus.
What about when Jesus said that in the Old Testament Law the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses is required and He says He testifies of Himself and The Father also testifies of HIm. How do you reconcile that with oneness Theology?
Father and Son. But it’s a much longer explanation than I can do justice to in the comment section. See our series on answering Trinitarians toughest questions, and also why I don’t debate in the comment section. Thank you friend.
So, the Gnostics were correct.
No, not at all.
Although i respectfully do not agree with all of your conclusions of what most people would conclude about the bible and about Jesus if reading through it on a desert island with no preliminary influence to shape their perspective, God bless you for being willing to seek truth outside of allegiance to and submission under the forced and highly popularized 4th century catholic church originated trinitarian dogma. I believe through reading the bible alone and through the vast preponderance of what it says and what Jesus Himself said about God (His Heavenly Father) and separately about Himself (as the Heavenly Father's servant) most people would conclude that Jesus was the perfect, sinless, virgin born, risen Savior, Messiah and Lord, God's servant as a man and not God Himself. The overwhelming preponderance of the bible speaks of the God of Jesus as being the one and only God which is His Heavenly Father. Blessings to all.
check out David Bercot Pastor Waldron
I’ve heard the name.
Agree
peace and amen to pure Christianity. Please consider that the apostles doctrine for church structure has no example of a solo pastor...the apostles ordained elders and Jesus alone was exalted, not man eclipsing His glory or trying to fill His role of being the functioning head of His church. Anything that replaces Christ, especially manmade hierachy or clergy is antichrist.
pls visit our website under the About section of our channel.
We have to be purged of sin to even be Pre-nicine Christians
Amen!
Jesus said, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word and my Father will come to him and we will make our home with him" (John 14:23). The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of Truth, will be with you and in you (John 14:17). What does Matthew 28:19- 20 say? Baptism in the name of: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Systematic Theology does logically bring one to the concept of the Trinity.
Wake up!!!! The ( NAME)of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,.................Matthew 1:21 clarifies name JESUS....Baptize in name of Jesus Acts 2:38 (One Baptism)
He didn't say anything about who or what they were. It was basically a pep talk
Well they were Christians.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa More specifically, they were Catholic bishops (except for a few) that said Mass, celebrated the sacraments and taught the Petrine Primacy.
The word "'rapture' is not found in Scripture either. The words caught up is a Greek word 'harpazo'.
I have dealt with ad nauseum.
Matthew 28:18-20 (NASB95): 8 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT,
20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Ephesians 1:3-13 (NASB95): 3 Blessed be the God and FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ (SON), who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight
9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him
10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him
11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the HOLY SPIRIT of promise...
Be careful spreading your beliefs. They are near to modalism which is a heresy that cannot be stood for.
Wake up!!!! The ( NAME)of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,.................Matthew 1:21 clarifies name JESUS....Baptize in name of Jesus Acts 2:38 (One Baptism)
The word Christianity itself is is you can't claim to be Pauline and then use words that are brought up from nice seeing Christianity Orthodox
Just happened upon this video five years later.
I've been watching your Bible reviews for the last three or four years.
Knew you were Pentecostal, but not Oneness. It's interesting to see how old heresies keep getting repackaged.
Modalism was condemned by the Church because it failed to accurately interpret and teach Scripture, and adhere to the "rule of faith" - the Apostolic Tradition.
I'm sorry to learn this about you. I'm sure you have a wonderful community, but it's not Christian.
Praying that you will open your eyes, and the Lord will help you come to the true Faith.
Actually, as most ancient historians know, we were first. Trinitarianism came later. May God bless you and help you see the truth friend.
The Pre-Nicene church fathers were mostly Trinitarian. For example, Justin Martyr wrote in his book The First Apology (written between 155-157 AD) that there is one God that manifests in 3 Persons. In chapter 63 of his book, he writes that Jesus is God, but whoever says Jesus is the Father does not know God. Justin Martyr was the student of Polycarp who was the student of the Apostle John, and he mirrored their theology. It's true the term Trinity isn't in the Bible, but the word Bible isn't even in the Bible. Theophilus coined the term Trinity in 168 AD in order to easily describe the triune nature of God; Tertullian and Origen used this word in their writings. Even in the Old Testament, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim. Elohim is plural so there is a foreshadowing of the 3 Persons of the Godhead in the Tanak (OT). A majority of Ante-Nicene and Pre-Constantine Christians and church fathers did not have a oneness view of God.
Theophilus of Antioch used the term trias not trinity. The first usage of 3 Persons was by the gnostic valentinus In 149 ad. The early Church conclusively was decidedly not trinitarian. That’s a fact.
Theophilus did use the word trias, but it is reference to a trio. Polycarp (student of the Apostle John), Ignatius of Antioch, Iranaeus (student of both Polycarp and the Apostle John), Tertullian, and Origen make clear references to the 3 Persons of the Godhead in their writings. Trinitarian doctrine is Biblical and was clearly taught way before the Council of Nicea. Respectfully, the early Ante-Nicene Church was Trinitarian.
Regarding Valentinus, he is often cited as believing in a Triune Godhead, but there is no evidence of him ever teaching this. He believed in an Aeon called Proarche, Propator, and Bythus who existed with Ennoea, and they supposedly bore Monogenes and Aletheia, and they made their first born Pythagorean Tetrad, from whom 30 Aeons were supposed to come from. Iranaeus wrote extensively against Valentinian teaching, and not once did he (Iranaeus) mention Valentinus believing in the Trinitarian nature of the God of the Bible.
Many False Pagan Religions believe in somekind of trinity.......325 Creed converted true MonoTheistic Christianity to their Pagan Polytheistic Religion....which is Catholicism & any other False Church that believes in the 325 Nicene Creed
If you want an accurate account of pre-Nicene Christianity, then reading Irenaeaus' "Against Heresies" gives a very good look into the teachings of the early Church:
"It is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church-those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth".
- Ireneaus of Lyons (a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna), Against Heresies, 4:26:2, 180 AD
“When we refer to them that tradition which originated from the Apostles, which is preserved by means of the succession of the presbyters in the churches, they object to tradition, saying they themselves are wiser not merely than the presbyters, but even the Apostles”.
- Ireneaus of Lyons (a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna), “Against the Heresies”, 3.2.2, 180 AD
“…by indicating that tradition derived from the Apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached by men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolic tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere”.
- Ireneaus of Lyons [180 AD], “Against Heresies”, 3,3,2
No, u would read the bible and think that Jesus of the NT in no way resembles Jehovah from the OT, in fact they are polar opposites plus you would get the idea that he was warning the Jews that their father was the devil!
Jesus refers to himself as the son of God 65 times............. . ... sounds like he's the Son of God.
Yes He was! No doubt!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa is there a bible verse that says something along the lines of "you must believe jesus is God in order to be saved"? I haven't found one but there are a lot of verses that say you must believe he was the son of God to be saved.
@@davidsolomon1175 John 8:24-27; 1 John 5:20.
You are preaching my preach...amen!!
Thanks for all the references to church history writers!
Thanks! God Bless!
Christianity is simply a Bacchic cult and was not called Christianity it was called the way so Jesus was in a branch of this Bacchic cult
There’s absolutely no real evidence for this. Only similarities between somethings in Christianity with ancient mystery religions. But as you study it, you find no correlation. Christianity sprang from Jewishness.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa it's in the text and writing around that time historians of that time recorded it so yes there's plenty of evidence and sources for it