June 30th, 2023 (Mini) Question Timestamps (Sonadow Edition): ------------------------------------------- 0:09 - (Introduction) So this time, for Pride Month, we get to address the hypothetical fandom ship that probably helped more than a few Sonic Fans figure out their sexuality. Sonadow! (A lot of straight fans had Rouge or Sally be their awakening, so don't throw stones.) 0:28 - How would you execute the character growth for Shadow and Sonic that would most help enable Sonadow? 1:46 - How would you arrange that first key romantic spark that was intended to drive the fans towards wanting them together? 3:49 - How would you make it official for the two of them? 5:17 - How would Professor Gerald, Doctor Eggman, The Commander, and Black Doom advise him? 7:54 - Let's say that in the aftermath of a terrifying evil scheme Eggman once more had to team up with the heroes to save the world… But he died in the process, leaving Sage and her brothers in the care of his uncle and uncle in-law. Assume that if money were real GUN would pay the kind of money that would keep a classy act like Rouge on staff, so the boys don’t need to change their heroics too much. How would they do as parents to the Sage, Orbot, Cubot, and after a while (if she so chose) potentially Belle? 11:16 - So what would each of their dying wishes to each other be? 12:53 - Would Sonic take Shadow’s last name, or Shadow take Sonic’s, each keep their own, or each add the other’s with a hyphen? (Given Shadow’s right to certain other last names, there could be a timeline with a Sonic Robotnik or Sonic Doom...) 13:53 - How would they both adapt to regularly hanging out with each other’s found family? 15:01 - With this new little family we’ve assembled around the Sonadow pairing… who would be their forever DM? (Omega is a Warforged Barbarian right?) 18:00 - From those whose Digimon partners you might choose to have DNA Digivolve with Sonic's or Shadow's partners - which characters figure it out from that basic mental connection, and of them how would they handle knowing without being told? 21:29 - So Kyle, can you please pitch me three episode ideas for the up-and-never-coming sitcom “The Hedge-Hogs” for me to rate? *Happy Pride y’all*
Are you honestly trying to tell me Sonic WOULDN'T take Robotnik as his last name? That would open up a whole new avenue for pissing off Eggman and Sonic would not miss out on the chance to piss off Eggman.
omg he so would!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣it does make since for sonic to take shadow's last name since he actually has one, two... three last names??? does sonic have a last name??? do any of the characters? lmao! 🤷♀🤷♀either way, sonic would be an absolute little shit about the whole thing and take Robotnik because it would drive eggman crazy with being an "in law" to his worst enemy... and sonic would NEVER shut up about it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣probably to the point where he would piss off shadow too. lol
You don’t know how important it is to have someone properly discuss sonadow and respect it instead of treating it as a joke. An official sonic writer too,, like Im so happy about this. It’s a proper ship that makes sense, but because it’s gay no one ever takes it seriously.
@mycelium_6508 Every gay ship in every fandom that isn't cannon gets made fun of. Like,the punch line every time is "Haha,gay,hah" So yes, I feel your pain.
More than a few months late, but I just wanted to say that, amidst all the other thoughtful discussion, I haven't seen anyone in these comments talk about the comedy GOLD that was your responses to the hypothetical Sonic Sitcom. From E-123 Omega popping out of the cake, robotically singing happy birthday, blowing everything up, to (Mike Polluck voice) "I hear you've got the Primetime cable package!" to Knuckles as Kramer and Shadow's unique parental situation... I was in actual tears. I wish that Sonic spinoffs could look like that, lmao. Also, forgot to mention that "What's Love Got To Do With It?" feat. Black Doom also had me in stitches. This was so insightful and funny, thanks you guys.
As someone who is too old to have been a part of fandom and shipping culture when I was young, I still find it very sweet and endearing the way Ian takes those questions seriously. The way he offers tips for people writing their fanfiction is heartwarming.
That's actually so in character for her (i HATE when people say she'd be against it or smth, HELL NO! She's the kinda person who would do anything out of love, by which I mean yeah she loves Sonic but because of that love she'd want him to be happy even if it's not with her, at least that's how I always saw it)
This was..a real surprise. I'm actually shocked. We live in good times, despite the many warzones this fandom has had and continue to have. Love it or hate it, Sonadow would be a very interesting and beautiful pair.
Freaking love how he almost always says that most of the aspects of a relationship between them are already fulfilled, and that the only thing that would be missing would be the romantic part, but everything else is already done; Mutual respect, camaraderie, understanding, trust, everything. And it's perfect, give all possible development to whatever it is that they 2 have and the fandom (Sonadow fans more than anyone) will be happy 😊
despite the warzone that this comment section might become, Im glad how open yall are to talk about these stuff that are mostly created by the fandom and take it seriously. This was a nice episode
Thanks for taking this "what if" scenario seriously, what makes Sonadow viable deep down to the core, what we really all crave is to see Shadow happy, for him to find someone to open up to being vulnerable and being trusting of them, and Sonic fits all of that really well, they've been through so much together, and wielding chaos powers together has to connect them on an emotional level, because it synchronizes their hearts to utilize the energy. "Chaos is power enriched by the heart".
Okay, so... you guys DO know that most of us Sonadow fans are aware of the obvious, right...? We know they aren't and will never be canon, we know that being lovey dovey is definitely NOT part of either of their characters, we know that we're batshit crazy fanatics for both of these hedgehogs and them being gay for each other is just icing on the cake for us. If yall just talked to a Sonadow fan you would know that the general air about the ship is "Beating The Shit Out Of Each Other Is How We Say I Love You" because literally the most heated interactions Sonic and Shadow have together is when they're in conflict... ESPECIALLY with each other. Conflict seems to be the best way either of these characters show emotions other than "chill cocky bastard" and "tragic broody loner". The whole Kiss Kiss Fall In Lovey Dovey Tooth Rottingly Sweet Happiness Together "sub plot" stems from how they were established. Sonic avoids romance because it slows him down and here runs in Shadow more than capable of keeping pace with him (maybe even surpassing him wink wink nudge nudge). Shadow doesn't do romance because he isn't emotionally available- maybe it's because deep down he knows that everyone he "cares for" will die, like that's just the fact of his future. Or maybe it's because he doesn't feel like he deserves to feel such a thing like love because deep tragic ptsd-ridden survivor's guilt. But here comes Sonic with his "You gotta live life to the fullest!" and the goddamn "Every world has its end" and his stupid ability to inspire hope inside people. Obviously these are stretches and blatant fabrications but they're rooted deep enough to the canon that they set themselves up as something that could have some validity. IF YOU GUYS COULD SEE THE DEEP LORES SONADOW FANS CONCOCT, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND!! I apologize if I sound like a snippy asshole, Im not trying to be mean, I'm just a very passionate sonadow fan 😭😭😭😭😭😭
i agree with you and i think you have really good points. but to say it is 100% sure that they are not or will never be feeling any sort of thing for each other i think is a bit over the top you know? yes, i myself think sega will never gonna make it canon but still, we don't know that much about their direction of the characters towards the future really that much either. they could be hiding a few more things more than we think. we all know how much sega don't come out with all they have obviously. indeed, we never had a clear hint of the sonadow ship, but if you take a closer look at the evolution that the two had come through for the past few years (not talking about the boom era) whether it is in the games or even the shows they seem to have a special chemistry that no one can deny, they seem to feel something we just cannot say what exactly it is. i am not saying its love nor do i say its not. a lot of things can be controversial and thats why we cannot be a 100% sure about what the characters are really on about. that's only my opinion but everyone is free to think whatever else.
this is absolutely the best thing i've watched all week i love how detailed all this is, it may all be hypotheticals, but i love how much care goes into each description, it's not just things said to get out of the way, there's actual thought, actual planning, genuinely realising how these two would interact for this to happen, it's absolutely perfect and it DEFINATELY shows what a good writer ian flynn is, especially since he's even willing to talk of this ship, there's a lot of other writers who would just turn down any mention of this kind of stuff, not wanting to discuss ships in general unless it's a cannon one, and i'm pretty sure a lot of people who work at Sega wouldn't like talking of sonadow, but here, ian flynn isnt bothered by that it's all hypotheticals and he ENJOYS discussing it, talking through it, i LOVE it so so so much! sonadow isn't treated like a joke here, but rather treated with respect, and a LOT of thought, ian flynn is by far one of the best writers sonic has ever had, and i am so happy he's doing the work he is, this whole video was amazing.
Shadow: I'm into you Sonic: I know, everyone's into me! Shadow: Ay, por tierra, you're not making this easy- Sonic: What does "I poor tiara" mean? Shadow: ... I already got inspiration XD
@@Twilord_ YES! Will ALWAYS be in my top 3 ships if not #1. Incidentally, the other ship in the #1 spot a lot of the time is Sonadow. I love my little gay sonic characters.
@@dhampir_dayshe canonically does have two hands, as most sonic characters do, and most characters in general, and most people in general, so lucky you
i don’t really ship sonadow, but it’s wonderful how serious and genuine these answers and hypotheticals were, and i find it really interesting to hear the thought process and figuring out of how a character would behave in scenarios and how to get a story from A to B. this made me even more interested in making comics
so I don't normally talk much about being trans on big youtube videos like this because I don't fancy my notifs being filled with variations of "kill yourself", but as well as my sexuality, Sonic in general actually helped me figure out my gender identity! Sonadow and SonAmy were big contributors to it. I always found myself very attached to Sonic as a character and over the past maybe 3 years it clicked; I wanted to _be like_ Sonic. I wasn't a girl. I was a boy. I wanted to sound like Sonic, I wanted to be loved as he is, recognised as a guy like he is, to have his confidence and pride in who he is. Sonadow is a ship that I do like a lot, even if I'm not too fussed about shipping. but Sonadow content helped me explore different dynamics and made me self examine how I would like to be perceived in a relationship. I wanted to have a boyfriend, while being a boyfriend. SonAmy was also similar where content relating to it made me realise I also like girls, not to mention they're my two favourite characters and I'm nostalgic about them lmao. but yeah, major props to Sonadow, especially in content where Sonic is often depicted as trans! because that's me, I'm trans, and I love Sonic! edit: got my first transphobic comment! anyway I'm a big scary queer transsexual with a beard and there's nothing anyone can say about it
@@mo3tron605 sorry can't hear you over my awesome tboy swag. if anything you must be the insecure one if you feel the need to be a transphobic piece of shit on a comment about my journey as a man that made me much happier and confident in myself because I wasn't pretending to be a girl for the sake of people like you. it must be sad, huh? seeing someone be happy and proud of themselves and being so butthurt that you can't help yourself but show off how transphobic you are. this is pure speculation ofc but often people who are transphobic are the ones who are the least secure in their own skin and gender. I don't owe you anything, you're a complete stranger in my notifications. I'm only writing this comment because I'm bored and the fact that you're just a pathetic nobody who wouldn't dare say it to my face is funny to me. you've also been doing it on a number of comments, telling people they can't be queer. first off, who made you the fucking police? do you really think hundreds of thousands of people are suddenly not queer because you say they aren't? second, get a hobby omg. I heard dnd is good, but then again you might try armchair diagnosing the other players because they're pretending to be bird people or elves or god forbid, a character of a different gender! look in the mirror bro, ask yourself why you're doing this. it can't be good for your mental health. btw I am in therapy, my therapist straight up told me there's no point trying to be a girl if I'm not and that I should be true to myself. I'm a boy, I'm a man with a beard, I'm transgender and there's nothing a youtube comment from a shithead like you can do about it
@@dhampir_days fr don't listen to that asshole, you shouldn't force yourself to be someone you're not... and that's sadly coming from a minor that actually respects human beings, unlike someone
this ship drew me in when i was 11 back in 2010. made me feel all gooey inside. eventually i figured out i was a gay trans guy. funny how that works out
Some writers would either be disgusted at the notion of two of their most popular same-sex characters be shipped or just fuel the fandom delusion. Ian nailed how the ship would play without 'endorsing or unendorsing' the fans by keeping them in character. If Ian were to make them canon, he indeed wouldn't make them go all loveydovey because that's not how Sonic and Shadow work as characters, he'd make the relationship happen naturally and chill.
I just want to say THANK YOU for broaching this topic - especially during Pride Month. Being able to treat the Sonadow Ship as a hypothetical and serious writing topic without the stigmas that exist around toxic shippers/anti-LGBTQA agenda is really inspiring to me as a writer who tries my best to create relationships (whether they be platonic or romantic) that WORK on multiple levels regardless of gender or other things that have traditionally limited professionally produced writing or how writing is viewed after being produced. In the end, everyone will view the characters the way they want - and I truly adore that since good writing and characterization will ALWAYS bring out intense feelings in people - but being able to have a professional writer who's actually WRITTEN for Sonic media discuss the realistic dynamics of these two characters is really so inspiring 💫 Again, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! 🥰
I know, I'm glad they're taking it seriously and not making fun of it or saying it's a bad ship. People who doesn't like or literally HATE sonadow has told me "I need help" or "sonadow is a crack ship" and don't get me even started on the "age gap." Sonadow deserves respect! 😩😩🙏
@@TheGamingGoddess101 I make Sonadow AMVs and edits and, WOW, the number of jerks who come and leave comments JUST TO BASH EVERYONE is absolutely unreal and ridiculous for sure 😓
@@TheGamingGoddess101 It's definitely irritating even if I can ban them, which makes it such a relief to have others who understand and agree that haters like that are the ones in the wrong - not us who are being respectful while shipping or not shipping or discussing the possibility in a neutral context like this video 👍
As congratulations for getting a boatload of views from the Sonadow Shippers here's 25 of the Kings British pounds which SHOULD be able to buy you one shiny new Turnip. (Not a shipper myself but it is nice for people to see the Bumblekast) Also a question because I'm a creature of horrible habit. I'm sorry. Question to you both! Obviously neither of you guys are into horror and dislike the 100% spooky stuff... But! That doesn't exempt you from enjoying spooky Adjacent stuff!! So let's go down this spooky corridor into... Disney films! Who are your favourite Disney villains who maybe frightened you as kids but you appreciate more now as adults? Let's face facts, Disney does dip into the old horror tropes and I get the feeling you guys (like the rest of us) have PRIMAL memories of looking away from the TV/movie screen when Snow White was on, when the witch appeared... Or when the whale erupted on the screen in Pinocchio.... Or when Kronk woke up Yzma (That woman is scary beyond all reason).
This comment makes me really happy, because as a 30 something year old who used gay Sonic ships back when he was 14/15/16 to figure stuff out that was the exact reaction I wanted for people when I wrote these questions.
Completely different media, but comparing the way the creators of Sherlock BBC treat John lock vs the way these two treat sonadow, there's so much love and respect for the fandom and they aren't genuinely harming the fans like BBC Sherlock did 🙏🏼
@wonderlust358 they marketed the show with lots of vague messaging about johnlock since they realized there was a demand for it, baited fans throughout the show, compared johnlock to other gay relationships in the show, made fun of Moriarty x Sherlock once again knowing the demand for queer rep
Question: Mr. Flynn, in Sonic Advance 3, Dr Eggman was able to completely warp reality with just one chaos emerald. Can Super Sonic (who has all 7 chaos emeralds inside him)do the same or does he need more practice channeling and manipulating chaos energy
I know this is done but I wanted to ask anyway, do you guys think that Shadow growing up 50 years ago would have an impact on their relationship or daily lives? I.E it takes him longer to learn new tech, and likes to fill their house with vintage furniture/ memorabilia or he has some internalized homophobia.
It's been established in some games briefly. In TMOSTH, Shadow admits he's really bad at using computers. Considering he mostly lived on the Ark and his only friend was a very sweet little girl, I feel like he wouldn't have been exposed to prejudice or known how the average person lived. He was however created will all of the knowledge of Gerald Robotnik.
Bro..... Now I really wanna see their thoughts on all the other popular ships This was WAAAY too much fun bro😭 Also hell yah you’re right sonadow was the first ship I ever got into and the one that made me realize I’m aro/ace💙🖤
I've got a Sonadow sitcom idea! Do a remake of The Odd Couple from SatAM, substituting Shadow for Antoine. Sonic moves in with Shadow and drives him absolutely up the wall. :D
0:20 a lot of lesbian fans had Rouge be their awekening too... at least I had 😂 I used to cry over it and blame Sonic X for making me homosexual, but I finally came to terms that it somehow didn't make my straight sisters lesbian, so it was just within me the whole time 😅
You mean the journey to identity in a world that keeps telling him what he is supposed to be, what they conditioned him to be and literally built his biology to be? - When none of it matches who he really is? I am not trans but I can kinda see it, and if so that is really cool!
June 30th, 2023 (Mini) Question Timestamps (Sonadow Edition):
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0:09 - (Introduction) So this time, for Pride Month, we get to address the hypothetical fandom ship that probably helped more than a few Sonic Fans figure out their sexuality. Sonadow! (A lot of straight fans had Rouge or Sally be their awakening, so don't throw stones.)
0:28 - How would you execute the character growth for Shadow and Sonic that would most help enable Sonadow?
1:46 - How would you arrange that first key romantic spark that was intended to drive the fans towards wanting them together?
3:49 - How would you make it official for the two of them?
5:17 - How would Professor Gerald, Doctor Eggman, The Commander, and Black Doom advise him?
7:54 - Let's say that in the aftermath of a terrifying evil scheme Eggman once more had to team up with the heroes to save the world… But he died in the process, leaving Sage and her brothers in the care of his uncle and uncle in-law. Assume that if money were real GUN would pay the kind of money that would keep a classy act like Rouge on staff, so the boys don’t need to change their heroics too much. How would they do as parents to the Sage, Orbot, Cubot, and after a while (if she so chose) potentially Belle?
11:16 - So what would each of their dying wishes to each other be?
12:53 - Would Sonic take Shadow’s last name, or Shadow take Sonic’s, each keep their own, or each add the other’s with a hyphen? (Given Shadow’s right to certain other last names, there could be a timeline with a Sonic Robotnik or Sonic Doom...)
13:53 - How would they both adapt to regularly hanging out with each other’s found family?
15:01 - With this new little family we’ve assembled around the Sonadow pairing… who would be their forever DM? (Omega is a Warforged Barbarian right?)
18:00 - From those whose Digimon partners you might choose to have DNA Digivolve with Sonic's or Shadow's partners - which characters figure it out from that basic mental connection, and of them how would they handle knowing without being told?
21:29 - So Kyle, can you please pitch me three episode ideas for the up-and-never-coming sitcom “The Hedge-Hogs” for me to rate?
*Happy Pride y’all*
Bless your soul 💙🖤🙏🏻
Are you honestly trying to tell me Sonic WOULDN'T take Robotnik as his last name? That would open up a whole new avenue for pissing off Eggman and Sonic would not miss out on the chance to piss off Eggman.
You should definitely ask this on their Kofi if you can afford the fiver. 😂
"You wouldn't hurt your precious little Uncle-In-Law, would you Eggman?"
Someone quick write a fanfic on that !! 🤣🤣
okay i love this sm what I NEED a fanfic abt this
omg he so would!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣it does make since for sonic to take shadow's last name since he actually has one, two... three last names??? does sonic have a last name??? do any of the characters? lmao! 🤷♀🤷♀either way, sonic would be an absolute little shit about the whole thing and take Robotnik because it would drive eggman crazy with being an "in law" to his worst enemy... and sonic would NEVER shut up about it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣probably to the point where he would piss off shadow too. lol
Sonadow fanfic writers: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN *meme*
Aw, I was about to comment that, lol
@@RATGALAXII Ayo, we share the same Braincell thou😌🤌
You don’t know how important it is to have someone properly discuss sonadow and respect it instead of treating it as a joke. An official sonic writer too,, like Im so happy about this. It’s a proper ship that makes sense, but because it’s gay no one ever takes it seriously.
@mycelium_6508 Every gay ship in every fandom that isn't cannon gets made fun of. Like,the punch line every time is "Haha,gay,hah" So yes, I feel your pain.
i dont know why but i love ur profile picture
Glad someone said it. People should really respect ships. Sonadow CAN be taken seriously too, homophobia of those people is just.. Wrong.
YOU'RE SO REAL FOR THIS
right. if shadow was a girl, people would be eating it up & taking it seriously
More than a few months late, but I just wanted to say that, amidst all the other thoughtful discussion, I haven't seen anyone in these comments talk about the comedy GOLD that was your responses to the hypothetical Sonic Sitcom. From E-123 Omega popping out of the cake, robotically singing happy birthday, blowing everything up, to (Mike Polluck voice) "I hear you've got the Primetime cable package!" to Knuckles as Kramer and Shadow's unique parental situation... I was in actual tears. I wish that Sonic spinoffs could look like that, lmao.
Also, forgot to mention that "What's Love Got To Do With It?" feat. Black Doom also had me in stitches. This was so insightful and funny, thanks you guys.
As someone who is too old to have been a part of fandom and shipping culture when I was young, I still find it very sweet and endearing the way Ian takes those questions seriously. The way he offers tips for people writing their fanfiction is heartwarming.
Yeah
Agree have fun with your ships!! :) no need to get upset. Have fun.
I love the fact that Amy would absolutely play matchmaker with sonic and shadow
That's actually so in character for her (i HATE when people say she'd be against it or smth, HELL NO! She's the kinda person who would do anything out of love, by which I mean yeah she loves Sonic but because of that love she'd want him to be happy even if it's not with her, at least that's how I always saw it)
@@idkthidwmfl_lizok Honestly it could make a killer prompt for SonShadAmy fanfic too.
This was..a real surprise. I'm actually shocked.
We live in good times, despite the many warzones this fandom has had and continue to have.
Love it or hate it, Sonadow would be a very interesting and beautiful pair.
the Sonic fandom has chilled out a lot tbh compared to what it used to be
@@dhampir_days Agreed.
Freaking love how he almost always says that most of the aspects of a relationship between them are already fulfilled, and that the only thing that would be missing would be the romantic part, but everything else is already done; Mutual respect, camaraderie, understanding, trust, everything.
And it's perfect, give all possible development to whatever it is that they 2 have and the fandom (Sonadow fans more than anyone) will be happy 😊
Shadow: I'm not gay, *BUT* ...
A hole is a hole. - shadow
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despite the warzone that this comment section might become, Im glad how open yall are to talk about these stuff that are mostly created by the fandom and take it seriously. This was a nice episode
happy fucking pride month jesus christ what a win
but for real this was so well done and super respectful, there’s a lot here to help fic writers!! thank you to you both for this video
"He'll show you how real he is!"
"Sir, this is a *FAMILY SHOW!?"*
I love you guys sm. Sonadow has seriously been a huge comfort ship for me, truly.
I KNOW WHAT YOU AREEEE. I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE,
I love the fact that there's another Rise fan here that also likes Sonadow
@@enolp YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYAYY
Thanks for taking this "what if" scenario seriously, what makes Sonadow viable deep down to the core, what we really all crave is to see Shadow happy, for him to find someone to open up to being vulnerable and being trusting of them, and Sonic fits all of that really well, they've been through so much together, and wielding chaos powers together has to connect them on an emotional level, because it synchronizes their hearts to utilize the energy. "Chaos is power enriched by the heart".
It's almost as if Maria sent Sonic to Shadow as a way to try and help him. :O
OMG I HAVE TO ANIMATE SOME OF THE ANSWERS
DID YOU????
I know it's been quite a while but if you do animate it please let me know I would love to check that out
Okay, so... you guys DO know that most of us Sonadow fans are aware of the obvious, right...? We know they aren't and will never be canon, we know that being lovey dovey is definitely NOT part of either of their characters, we know that we're batshit crazy fanatics for both of these hedgehogs and them being gay for each other is just icing on the cake for us.
If yall just talked to a Sonadow fan you would know that the general air about the ship is "Beating The Shit Out Of Each Other Is How We Say I Love You" because literally the most heated interactions Sonic and Shadow have together is when they're in conflict... ESPECIALLY with each other. Conflict seems to be the best way either of these characters show emotions other than "chill cocky bastard" and "tragic broody loner".
The whole Kiss Kiss Fall In Lovey Dovey Tooth Rottingly Sweet Happiness Together "sub plot" stems from how they were established. Sonic avoids romance because it slows him down and here runs in Shadow more than capable of keeping pace with him (maybe even surpassing him wink wink nudge nudge). Shadow doesn't do romance because he isn't emotionally available- maybe it's because deep down he knows that everyone he "cares for" will die, like that's just the fact of his future. Or maybe it's because he doesn't feel like he deserves to feel such a thing like love because deep tragic ptsd-ridden survivor's guilt. But here comes Sonic with his "You gotta live life to the fullest!" and the goddamn "Every world has its end" and his stupid ability to inspire hope inside people.
Obviously these are stretches and blatant fabrications but they're rooted deep enough to the canon that they set themselves up as something that could have some validity.
IF YOU GUYS COULD SEE THE DEEP LORES SONADOW FANS CONCOCT, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND!! I apologize if I sound like a snippy asshole, Im not trying to be mean, I'm just a very passionate sonadow fan 😭😭😭😭😭😭
You my person are a real one that UNDERSTANDS!!! THIS!!! Is my kind of Sonadow that I absolutely adore-
i agree with you and i think you have really good points. but to say it is 100% sure that they are not or will never be feeling any sort of thing for each other i think is a bit over the top you know? yes, i myself think sega will never gonna make it canon but still, we don't know that much about their direction of the characters towards the future really that much either. they could be hiding a few more things more than we think. we all know how much sega don't come out with all they have obviously. indeed, we never had a clear hint of the sonadow ship, but if you take a closer look at the evolution that the two had come through for the past few years (not talking about the boom era) whether it is in the games or even the shows they seem to have a special chemistry that no one can deny, they seem to feel something we just cannot say what exactly it is. i am not saying its love nor do i say its not. a lot of things can be controversial and thats why we cannot be a 100% sure about what the characters are really on about. that's only my opinion but everyone is free to think whatever else.
YOURE THE BEST U EXPLAINED IT EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeassss they beat the hell out of eachother but its like.... only during pride month yknow
It's just a fun fan idea like sonamy no difference
You explained it perfectly
this video actually MADE me and my friend sonadow shippers....
Welcome to your doom! We sonadow shippers love ANGST and will almost always receive hate by homophobes :) (No but really, welcome 😊)
this is absolutely the best thing i've watched all week
i love how detailed all this is, it may all be hypotheticals, but i love how much care goes into each description, it's not just things said to get out of the way, there's actual thought, actual planning, genuinely realising how these two would interact for this to happen, it's absolutely perfect and it DEFINATELY shows what a good writer ian flynn is, especially since he's even willing to talk of this ship, there's a lot of other writers who would just turn down any mention of this kind of stuff, not wanting to discuss ships in general unless it's a cannon one, and i'm pretty sure a lot of people who work at Sega wouldn't like talking of sonadow, but here, ian flynn isnt bothered by that
it's all hypotheticals and he ENJOYS discussing it, talking through it, i LOVE it so so so much!
sonadow isn't treated like a joke here, but rather treated with respect, and a LOT of thought, ian flynn is by far one of the best writers sonic has ever had, and i am so happy he's doing the work he is, this whole video was amazing.
really well said!! couldn’t have said it better myself
Shadow: I'm into you
Sonic: I know, everyone's into me!
Shadow: Ay, por tierra, you're not making this easy-
Sonic: What does "I poor tiara" mean?
Shadow: ...
I already got inspiration XD
LMAOO good one
Yeah I had my gay awakening through Rouge 😭
I mean Rouge X Topaz is peak representation.
@@Twilord_ YES! Will ALWAYS be in my top 3 ships if not #1. Incidentally, the other ship in the #1 spot a lot of the time is Sonadow. I love my little gay sonic characters.
Late reply but same here! 8 year old me was not prepared for Rouge 😂
The only thing I took from this entire thing is sonadow is a possibility
Amy stanning the 2 Hedgehogs together... I will literally doodle this. Like, she shows up waving around a big rainbow flag for them!
personally I like the idea of Sonic having two hands :)
@@dhampir_days Clarification pls?
@@dhampir_dayshe canonically does have two hands, as most sonic characters do, and most characters in general, and most people in general, so lucky you
@@DJtheMJ polyamory, personally I'm a big SonShadAmy enjoyer
@@dhampir_days That's quite cute, I've never thought of that! Im going to have that in my head, not that I don't mind :)
i don’t really ship sonadow, but it’s wonderful how serious and genuine these answers and hypotheticals were, and i find it really interesting to hear the thought process and figuring out of how a character would behave in scenarios and how to get a story from A to B. this made me even more interested in making comics
I love Ian Flynn and his writing soo much you dont understand 😭😭😭
Ughaaauagh this is a godsend why have i not run into this channel before
we need another one of these 😁 its so nice to hear about people talking about a ship that is overly hated
so I don't normally talk much about being trans on big youtube videos like this because I don't fancy my notifs being filled with variations of "kill yourself", but as well as my sexuality, Sonic in general actually helped me figure out my gender identity! Sonadow and SonAmy were big contributors to it. I always found myself very attached to Sonic as a character and over the past maybe 3 years it clicked; I wanted to _be like_ Sonic. I wasn't a girl. I was a boy. I wanted to sound like Sonic, I wanted to be loved as he is, recognised as a guy like he is, to have his confidence and pride in who he is.
Sonadow is a ship that I do like a lot, even if I'm not too fussed about shipping. but Sonadow content helped me explore different dynamics and made me self examine how I would like to be perceived in a relationship. I wanted to have a boyfriend, while being a boyfriend. SonAmy was also similar where content relating to it made me realise I also like girls, not to mention they're my two favourite characters and I'm nostalgic about them lmao.
but yeah, major props to Sonadow, especially in content where Sonic is often depicted as trans! because that's me, I'm trans, and I love Sonic!
edit: got my first transphobic comment! anyway I'm a big scary queer transsexual with a beard and there's nothing anyone can say about it
I can only speak from a cis gay perspective BUT I think the layer of abstraction with them being anthropomorphic characters helps.
lol i have a weird amount of trans friends who realized they were trans because of sonic, weird that it seems to be a global thing
@@mo3tron605 sorry can't hear you over my awesome tboy swag. if anything you must be the insecure one if you feel the need to be a transphobic piece of shit on a comment about my journey as a man that made me much happier and confident in myself because I wasn't pretending to be a girl for the sake of people like you. it must be sad, huh? seeing someone be happy and proud of themselves and being so butthurt that you can't help yourself but show off how transphobic you are. this is pure speculation ofc but often people who are transphobic are the ones who are the least secure in their own skin and gender. I don't owe you anything, you're a complete stranger in my notifications. I'm only writing this comment because I'm bored and the fact that you're just a pathetic nobody who wouldn't dare say it to my face is funny to me.
you've also been doing it on a number of comments, telling people they can't be queer. first off, who made you the fucking police? do you really think hundreds of thousands of people are suddenly not queer because you say they aren't? second, get a hobby omg. I heard dnd is good, but then again you might try armchair diagnosing the other players because they're pretending to be bird people or elves or god forbid, a character of a different gender! look in the mirror bro, ask yourself why you're doing this. it can't be good for your mental health.
btw I am in therapy, my therapist straight up told me there's no point trying to be a girl if I'm not and that I should be true to myself. I'm a boy, I'm a man with a beard, I'm transgender and there's nothing a youtube comment from a shithead like you can do about it
@@dhampir_days fr don't listen to that asshole, you shouldn't force yourself to be someone you're not... and that's sadly coming from a minor that actually respects human beings, unlike someone
Hello! Here is your daily reminder that you are amazing and valid! ❤️❤️❤️
these are SO funny, i love the sitcom episode ideas
Sonadow = power couple 💙🖤
Uhum yup I am that sonic fan who figured out his sexuality through sonadow
you like blue hedgehogs?
Oddly for me the most impactful memory of that stuff is Shaduckles, but I went Sonadow to cast a broader net.
@@yall_girl_eveyou don't?
@@yall_girl_eve I'd say I'm more into black hedgehogs
It’s me, hi
this ship drew me in when i was 11 back in 2010. made me feel all gooey inside. eventually i figured out i was a gay trans guy. funny how that works out
This ship drew me in this year and made me feel the same way and then I turned out to be a bi trans guy 😭😭😭
Finally.
The gay episode
Ian, Kyle, thank you. As a Sonadow shipper, I'm glad you guys are open to discussing this Fandom ship.
Please commit seppuku
I love how there have been no torches or pitchforks whatsoever 😊
I love sonadow so much in my heart ❤❤❤❤❤❤
How beautiful that this is still the most popular BumbleKast video :D
Some writers would either be disgusted at the notion of two of their most popular same-sex characters be shipped or just fuel the fandom delusion.
Ian nailed how the ship would play without 'endorsing or unendorsing' the fans by keeping them in character.
If Ian were to make them canon, he indeed wouldn't make them go all loveydovey because that's not how Sonic and Shadow work as characters, he'd make the relationship happen naturally and chill.
Literally the first gay couple I was drawn to at a mere 10 years old. I am a gay guy now. Honestly so validating for young me
SO HAPPY I FOUND THIS DISCUSSION (Reddit has my heart rn bro) 🫶
This is so awesome to see. Thank you for the love shown to all sides of the community and for your really fun responses to these questions 💕
As a Sonadow fan that come out as gay because of them, thank you for this
thats cool :)
Real. and good for you man (or whoever you are).
anyone gonna ignore how shadows genuine care for sonic at " Sonic Prime" season 3 episode 7
It's because he won't let down his allies/friends,he'd probably would do the same with Tails Charmy or cream and that won't mean it's a couple
just saving 22:06, for personal reasons 0v0
I’m so late but I love the idea of Amy going hard core matchmaker with them lol 😂💙🖤
WE WIN🥳🥳🥳🥳🍾🍾🍾🍾🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
LGBT RIGHTS!!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🥳🥳🥳🥳
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@ieatmatchaicecream hello sonadow gang😁😁😍😍
WE WINNNN ❤
I just want to say THANK YOU for broaching this topic - especially during Pride Month.
Being able to treat the Sonadow Ship as a hypothetical and serious writing topic without the stigmas that exist around toxic shippers/anti-LGBTQA agenda is really inspiring to me as a writer who tries my best to create relationships (whether they be platonic or romantic) that WORK on multiple levels regardless of gender or other things that have traditionally limited professionally produced writing or how writing is viewed after being produced.
In the end, everyone will view the characters the way they want - and I truly adore that since good writing and characterization will ALWAYS bring out intense feelings in people - but being able to have a professional writer who's actually WRITTEN for Sonic media discuss the realistic dynamics of these two characters is really so inspiring 💫
Again, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! 🥰
I know, I'm glad they're taking it seriously and not making fun of it or saying it's a bad ship. People who doesn't like or literally HATE sonadow has told me "I need help" or "sonadow is a crack ship" and don't get me even started on the "age gap." Sonadow deserves respect!
😩😩🙏
@@TheGamingGoddess101 I make Sonadow AMVs and edits and, WOW, the number of jerks who come and leave comments JUST TO BASH EVERYONE is absolutely unreal and ridiculous for sure 😓
@@EmerialynCodeVenice That's cool! And I'm srry you have to go through this... I just wish they were more respectful 😔😔
@@TheGamingGoddess101 It's definitely irritating even if I can ban them, which makes it such a relief to have others who understand and agree that haters like that are the ones in the wrong - not us who are being respectful while shipping or not shipping or discussing the possibility in a neutral context like this video 👍
@@EmerialynCodeVenice It's sad, they can never leave sonadow shippers alone... well at least some of SEGA'S writers and animators like the ship 😩🙏
IM VERY HAPPY!!!MADE MY DAY!!!!!I love this ship!
As congratulations for getting a boatload of views from the Sonadow Shippers here's 25 of the Kings British pounds which SHOULD be able to buy you one shiny new Turnip. (Not a shipper myself but it is nice for people to see the Bumblekast)
Also a question because I'm a creature of horrible habit. I'm sorry.
Question to you both! Obviously neither of you guys are into horror and dislike the 100% spooky stuff... But! That doesn't exempt you from enjoying spooky Adjacent stuff!! So let's go down this spooky corridor into... Disney films! Who are your favourite Disney villains who maybe frightened you as kids but you appreciate more now as adults? Let's face facts, Disney does dip into the old horror tropes and I get the feeling you guys (like the rest of us) have PRIMAL memories of looking away from the TV/movie screen when Snow White was on, when the witch appeared... Or when the whale erupted on the screen in Pinocchio.... Or when Kronk woke up Yzma (That woman is scary beyond all reason).
i love sonadow
Same
dont we all
Thank you, Mr. Flynn
You two made my Pride Month, I screamed when I saw the notification!
At least they have respect about the shipping and not treating it as a punching bag I have one day I'll do a fan comic
13:12 SONIC DOOM SONIC DOOM SONIC DOOOOM🎶
WE GOT FEED⁉️⁉️⁉️
LETS GOOOOOOOO‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
chill and understated is a very good way to describe a genuine sonadow! They are both so cool I can see it going like that
As a huge sonadow fan
This is food for my little fixated brain
Thank you
Sonadow was the first ship I ever got properly into!
This comment makes me really happy, because as a 30 something year old who used gay Sonic ships back when he was 14/15/16 to figure stuff out that was the exact reaction I wanted for people when I wrote these questions.
That's good to know! I was about 14 when I got into the ship as well! :)
I got into it around 12-13, simple times 🫶🏾
the aroace hedgehogs are gay and in love
𝗊𝗉𝗋 𝖿𝗋𝖿𝗋𝖿𝗋𝗋𝗋𝗋
fr
4:23 that's a pretty dramatic declaration in my opinion, love myself a gay hug
Sonadow episode LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Steamy Sonadow Hams this episode: 0
Total since count began: 9
Total references to counter in episode: 1
Completely different media, but comparing the way the creators of Sherlock BBC treat John lock vs the way these two treat sonadow, there's so much love and respect for the fandom and they aren't genuinely harming the fans like BBC Sherlock did 🙏🏼
What did the Sherlock creators do?
@wonderlust358 they marketed the show with lots of vague messaging about johnlock since they realized there was a demand for it, baited fans throughout the show, compared johnlock to other gay relationships in the show, made fun of Moriarty x Sherlock once again knowing the demand for queer rep
Loved every part of this podcast its so sweet :)
I loved the return of Dr. Claw in the episode!
17:37 this is now canon to me and nothing can change that
Beautiful job here guys, I'll always love sonadow REGARDLESS if its canon or not 😏🙏👏🖤💙
Question: Mr. Flynn, in Sonic Advance 3, Dr Eggman was able to completely warp reality with just one chaos emerald. Can Super Sonic (who has all 7 chaos emeralds inside him)do the same or does he need more practice channeling and manipulating chaos energy
I know this is done but I wanted to ask anyway, do you guys think that Shadow growing up 50 years ago would have an impact on their relationship or daily lives? I.E it takes him longer to learn new tech, and likes to fill their house with vintage furniture/ memorabilia or he has some internalized homophobia.
It's been established in some games briefly. In TMOSTH, Shadow admits he's really bad at using computers. Considering he mostly lived on the Ark and his only friend was a very sweet little girl, I feel like he wouldn't have been exposed to prejudice or known how the average person lived. He was however created will all of the knowledge of Gerald Robotnik.
Listening to this has given me life 😂
Bro.....
Now I really wanna see their thoughts on all the other popular ships
This was WAAAY too much fun bro😭
Also hell yah you’re right sonadow was the first ship I ever got into and the one that made me realize I’m aro/ace💙🖤
Uh ohh! You guys opened Pandora's box!😂
Life’s good
I've got a Sonadow sitcom idea! Do a remake of The Odd Couple from SatAM, substituting Shadow for Antoine. Sonic moves in with Shadow and drives him absolutely up the wall. :D
This was made on my bday
For those gay hedgehogs being gay as hell, good for them; we ride on the Algorithm Quest!
0:20 a lot of lesbian fans had Rouge be their awekening too... at least I had 😂
I used to cry over it and blame Sonic X for making me homosexual, but I finally came to terms that it somehow didn't make my straight sisters lesbian, so it was just within me the whole time 😅
That's... oh my god :D
Best Pride Month present I've ever had!
it's all hypothetical they say. to me it's canon. happy pride month
wonderful ❤
We sonadow fans are eating good tonight
i don't really care for the shipping side of sonic, but god sonic and shadow would be such a fun/cute dynamic together
Thank you for the food 🛐💙🖤
Thank you for thissss!!!
Here at 13,923 views. Shadonic!
We stan Marilyn Monromega
I love this so much
YA'LL FORGET ROMANTIC QUEERPLATONIC SONADOW THE BEST THING EVER /ns(not serious)
Oh HELL YAH!
I was so shocked when I heard about this episode but what a fun way to end off pride month haha! ^_^
Hearing you guys mock black doom like that makes me laugh ❤
What a win guys
HAPPY PRIDE MONTYHHHH
SONADOW EPISODE
holy shit i gotta watch this
I just realized: "A lot of straight fans had Rouge or Sally be their awakening"... Assuming male fans :'U
Or lesbians technically, but I was mostly poking fun at the group most likely to get pissy.
SCREAMING, WAILING, GIGGLING
Shadow helps me with my gender identity XD
You mean the journey to identity in a world that keeps telling him what he is supposed to be, what they conditioned him to be and literally built his biology to be? - When none of it matches who he really is?
I am not trans but I can kinda see it, and if so that is really cool!
@@Twilord_ As another trans guy who feels the same as OP, you hit the nail on the head 👍
Wooo go Shadow 😊
Oh this is amaaaaazing
OH i MISSED IT
Sonadow canon
Sonadow canon indeed 😍🖤💙😁
COOOOOMOOOOO