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  • @davidfwooldridge3430
    @davidfwooldridge3430 2 місяці тому +46

    I’ve been watching this series and the series on the Kabbalah you did and I appreciate how much you make context front and center. I feel like if you did a series about StarWars you’d have two episodes to start just describing the national mood of the post-Vietnam 70s to put the story in its proper time and place, and I like that.

  • @anglerfish4161
    @anglerfish4161 2 місяці тому +35

    One of my favorite parts of the lectures is the metaphors Justin comes up with to explain difficult ideas. It helps a lot. Besides, you can't go wrong with a sentence that starts with "God is a ball of dough".

  • @room5245
    @room5245 2 місяці тому +15

    I had no idea who Agrippa was before I started watching this series. You saying you didn't want to summarize and just prepare students for a critical read of the source text, has made me start reading the D.O.P. and many other relevant texts. Can't extend my appreciation enough, you have achieved exactly what you have set out to do and it's astonishing, truly wonderful and puts history as a whole into perspective for a neuroscientist like me with an interest in religiousness.

    • @room5245
      @room5245 2 місяці тому

      saying, that the virtues of things did depend upon these; because it is the property of the Soul to be from one matter extended into divers things, about which it operates: So is a man, who extends his intellect unto intelligible things, and his imagination unto imaginable things; and this is that which they understood

  • @angelwhitewolf1116
    @angelwhitewolf1116 2 місяці тому +4

    In my ignorance, I used to view Agripa as an ocultist; now, I view him as a true mystic who achieved enlightenment, any my respect for him and his genius has increased dramatically.

  • @DevinSIDScott
    @DevinSIDScott 2 місяці тому +5

    Best series yet. I get excited for each new episode. Thank you for doing this, it's just incredible.

  • @Dan-j6v
    @Dan-j6v 4 дні тому

    This blew my mind. The parallels between this and Zen Buddhism is crazy!

  • @penguinlordalan
    @penguinlordalan 2 місяці тому +3

    I'm far from ever putting it into play but this channel has given me a ton of inspiration for 2 different games. One a TTRPG inspired by history, the workings of the divine world within Kabala, and the ancient idea of cities having patron Deities. The other has been flip flopping on what it is based on with what ever the newest inspiration I've been hit with but currently it's my deep appreciation of Aggripa, The idea in Kabala of a Divine language (and the idea that a thing is is because of what it is divinely named) and Alchemy. The latter project is still incredibly early in its progress but I will be buying a copy of the 3 Books of Occult Philosophy sooner than later to deep dive into the ideas within.

  • @pattimctier7647
    @pattimctier7647 2 місяці тому +2

    This is the best video I’ve ever seen to explain the mechanism of enlightenment. I am sending this to so many people who are interested in true knowledge 🥰🧐

  • @bobhope5114
    @bobhope5114 2 місяці тому +7

    As a glassblower, I fully approve of your uranium goblet!

  • @sabiticus
    @sabiticus 2 місяці тому +12

    Funny you should mention turning this into a game mechanic. I am! I am using the old D20 Modern system as the basis (It's a very flexible system), and developing a magic mechanics around "real world" traditions. Right now I am going heavy on Hermeticism, and I need to get all learned about Kabbalah, because those paths cross a lot. And then Gnosticism, which will be a very different kind of magic. Intelligence driven divine magic. I am currently subdividing the Hermetic Tradition into Philosophies (Agrippan, Solomonic, Enochian, etc.). After that, maybe another magic tradition, or I'll start tackling religion. Speaking of, it's funny how connected magic and religion are in the real world. Keeping them separate in game terms is tricky. And now I find out Agrippa put little stock in intellect. So now the Aggripan Mage will have Wisdom as the main attribute, rather than Intelligence. That's actually kind of cool. I love your work, man!

    • @TheEsotericaChannel
      @TheEsotericaChannel  2 місяці тому +9

      This is the way

    • @JimTempleman
      @JimTempleman 2 місяці тому +4

      Finally, a good application for VR.
      A.C.Clark: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
      Derivative ideas:
      - Any sufficiently advanced religion is indistinguishable from magic?
      - Any sufficiently advanced D&D game is indistinguishable from magic?
      I think you could call your game: "Playing with Fire!"

    • @sabiticus
      @sabiticus 2 місяці тому +3

      @@JimTempleman There was a game back in the 90s, an RPG called Kult, that brilliantly did something similar with Gnosticism. It's where I first heard of the Demiurge. Introduced me to whole thing I never knew existed. This is for a local gaming group, but I think I can use this to convert them into a cult built around Hermeticism in some way. Probably gonna have to be Solomonic though. You know... For the demon summoning.

    • @ChipSuey207
      @ChipSuey207 2 місяці тому +2

      @@sabiticus Kult's still around, it's been resurrected with a new coat of paint and rule changes.

    • @sabiticus
      @sabiticus 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ChipSuey207 No kidding! Such a crazy game. I'll have to check it out

  • @adambernache3210
    @adambernache3210 2 місяці тому +2

    The intro is filmed so well. It's insane. Good job.

  • @adamharper389
    @adamharper389 2 місяці тому +4

    I really enjoy these sessions on Agrippa...his ideology and mine are aligned even though I had never read any of his work, but I will be now

  • @colekrambeer572
    @colekrambeer572 2 місяці тому +5

    I think the whole "the goal is felicity and not power" point is much more widely applicable than it seems at first. With any kind of knowledge, the goal should be understanding the world around you first and gaining power second (instruction manuals aside of course)

  • @incsic3107
    @incsic3107 2 місяці тому

    Very interesting Series on How agrippa views the world . Thank you for giving this out for free

  • @michaelshelton5488
    @michaelshelton5488 2 місяці тому +88

    I know this comment is off topic, buuuuut........You've done several videos on how Yahweh became God. I would definitely tune in if you did a series on how Satan became the Devil.

    • @mattnewhouse1781
      @mattnewhouse1781 2 місяці тому +16

      He never became the devil. Christians just gave him a second name.

    • @michaelshelton5488
      @michaelshelton5488 2 місяці тому +17

      @@mattnewhouse1781 Obviously I didn't mean how he literally became the Devil. I meant the process by which he became identified as the Devil, just like Yahweh over time became identified as the one God who created everything.

    • @michaelshelton5488
      @michaelshelton5488 2 місяці тому +19

      In the Bible, Satan, Lucifer and the serpent in the Garden of Eden were all different characters who over time became conflated into one being and identified as the leader of the demons. I'm very curious to learn how that process took place.

    • @michaelshelton5488
      @michaelshelton5488 2 місяці тому +8

      Data Over Dogma already have a very interesting video/podcast on this topic but I would just really like to hear Dr. Sledge's take on it, if he has any more information to share.

    • @Bildgesmythe
      @Bildgesmythe 2 місяці тому +8

      He has a couple of good ones on Hell and Satan from a couple years ago

  • @pedrogabrielribeiro8857
    @pedrogabrielribeiro8857 2 місяці тому +1

    ...posted right when I finished the previous episode! Marvelous!

  • @Nazareneanobis
    @Nazareneanobis 2 місяці тому +1

    I've throughly enjoyed this class!! I love Agrippa!! Excot3s to see what other classes you come up with!! Thank you Justin, you are awesome!!!

  • @mrpocock
    @mrpocock 2 місяці тому +1

    This lecture series is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for this.

  • @monstermoonshine
    @monstermoonshine 2 місяці тому +4

    Interesting. The view that magical powers are by-products, not the goal, is similar to the Buddhists' view regarding Abhijñā (powers like telepathy, clairaudience, clairvoyance, etc. that one gains along the path of attaining enlightenment), that one should not pay too much attention to it

    • @MR-tf3gq
      @MR-tf3gq 2 місяці тому

      Exactly what I thought of!

    • @mistressofstones
      @mistressofstones 2 місяці тому

      Yes I think it's the same in many schools of Buddhism and Hinduism, I think the term in Hindusim is Siddhis. That really struck me.

  • @asprywrites
    @asprywrites 2 місяці тому

    This is fine work and you have my deepest appreciation, friend. 👍🏾

  • @phillipbernhardt-house6907
    @phillipbernhardt-house6907 2 місяці тому +4

    Excellent as always! I will have other comments elsewhere...
    But, I wonder something here: I've been saying for years now that it's almost a unique difficulty of English that we don't have more than one word for "knowing," or for different "types of knowing," which many other languages have; so, the differences between "book-learnin' and know-how," for example, really throw people in the Anglophone context, whereas this wouldn't really be an issue in other linguistic milieus, because there are different words and different concepts. It's literally an epistemological issue: gnosis vs. episteme, for example. So, many studies of the Mystery Religions of the ancient world focus on "what is the Mystery?" as if it is an issue of propositional knowledge, i.e. some concentrated bit of lore or a doctrine or an idea, rather than the experiential phenomenon of being in that space, at that time, doing and seeing the things that are involved with it, which is the essence of the experience.
    So, my "wonder" is: if felicitas is non-gnostic and non-noetic, is it really just that it's non-propositional knowledge involved (i.e. it lacks content, so to speak), but instead is experiential knowledge? In that case, then the Greek definitions of gnosis and noesis as involving the actions and functions of the Nous (which I would think is the equivalent of the Mens/Intellectus in Agrippa's model) are what is at stake, and not a verbal or descriptive type of knowledge that Agrippa has such contempt for.
    Are we just getting caught up in the words for whether the knowing is in words...or, am I making this too complicated? Happy for it to be either one. ;)

  • @FraterRC
    @FraterRC 2 місяці тому +7

    Best one yet (I know I said that last week too, but it's true!) :P

  • @room5245
    @room5245 2 місяці тому

    Would love to see a high res version of that crazy drawing! Funny how I've never looked forward more to any series releasing their next episode, captivating stuff

  • @lmzaadi
    @lmzaadi 2 місяці тому +2

    I’m unemployed but I won’t forget you when I’m back on my feet!

    • @TheEsotericaChannel
      @TheEsotericaChannel  2 місяці тому +6

      That's why I make all of this material free - I don't want any personal circumstances to come between you and access to education!

  • @SilverYPheonix
    @SilverYPheonix 2 місяці тому

    "Occult Fatigue" lmfao
    This guy is a tier 1 gem, how does he always get a chuckle out of me? It has to be one these pesky occult spells!

  • @albatros777
    @albatros777 3 дні тому

    Because my brain I typically listen to audiobooks and podcasts at .5 or .7 speed. Somehow Sledge's presentation is the accepting and I listen to him at full speed.

  • @gabriellaa1091
    @gabriellaa1091 2 місяці тому

    loved the final fantasy reference

  • @mikeflannery7219
    @mikeflannery7219 2 місяці тому +2

    Thanks! A gem of a lecture as always! If you have told us the best place to buy his three books in english( most accurate translations) I missed it.. I would love to buy these for reference and study on my next listen thru this series.

    • @mikeflannery7219
      @mikeflannery7219 2 місяці тому +1

      Nevermind. I found the one you recommended on amazon. I see what im getting myself for my bday. 😂

  • @JimTempleman
    @JimTempleman 2 місяці тому +2

    The idea that our highest level is illumination (enlightenment). That it is the source of our breakthrough insights. That being illuminated is critical to what happens after death. That illumination trumps reason, and imagination. That illumination is inherently unknowable, by language, yet the source of everything. That we are like a drop of water in the ocean. That the illuminated view of time (i.e.,, as eternity) appears as space, as the universe laid out before us. The ecstasies or raptures corresponding to the jhanas. Felicity as sudden enlightenment within this lifetime. Treating enlightenment as a tool used by the ego, being doomed to failure. There is nothing to be gained from experiencing Felicity, one is simply left in completely reverential silence (zazen is good for nothing).
    - All this is a description of Buddhism! Which is known to have influenced Greek philosophy, after the Macedonians brought it back from Alexander the Great’s conquest of India.
    Which makes me wonder: If they knew about it but never really got a complete picture of it, they might have latched onto its mysterious nature as a centerpiece of their occult magic? Buddhism through a glass darkly?
    Or it could ‘just’ be the perennial experience of man rearing up again in a different culture?

  • @ryanvsiler
    @ryanvsiler 2 місяці тому +1

    What are your thoughts on aphantasia in this context? Did this concept exist in Agrippa's time?

  • @cha5
    @cha5 2 місяці тому +1

    It’s interesting how Agrippa was one of Victor Frankenstein’s favorite philosophers in the original Mary Shelly Frankenstein novel.

  • @Diaz-nj2zv
    @Diaz-nj2zv 2 місяці тому

    Dr sledge, what is your opinion on manly p hall’s work? I didn’t see him suggested in your library. I was introduced to esotericism through his book secret teachings of all ages. I wanted to ask you why you dont suggest him in the library.

  • @Slit518
    @Slit518 2 місяці тому

    Justin, in D&D 5e "Attuning" to an item is like "Binding" to it. You cannot use or unlock its magical gifts until you Attune to it. So, D&D 5e kind of already has that idea.

  • @googlesucks1515
    @googlesucks1515 2 місяці тому

    About to move on to the next part but I hope that you elaborate on melancholic illumination

  • @slemire58
    @slemire58 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @David-yp4fl
      @David-yp4fl 2 місяці тому

      🌿 YOU ARE THE MAN ♂️
      LOVE FROM MISSISSIPPI USA 🇺🇲

  • @JamesHoovestal
    @JamesHoovestal 2 місяці тому +2

    So, the goal is to be reunited, and it feels so nice?

  • @Jason-ji2zx
    @Jason-ji2zx 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm surprised we're this far in without much mention of Agrippa's unorthodox views on pagan gods and his equivocating of the Biblical God with Jove/God of the Philosophers. Maybe that material is later than 1510.

    • @md1476
      @md1476 22 дні тому

      I think ultimately Justin is most concerned with presenting the philosophical structure of what Agrippa is doing. While the pagan elements are ever present, they seem to matter tons on the level of detail more so than on the level of philosophical system.

    • @md1476
      @md1476 22 дні тому

      I may misunderstand, this is mybfirst time studying agrippa, butIn terms of of paganism within Agrippas system, I think Justin always incorporates it in a sort of syncretistic way, assuming a blend of neoplatonic, classical pagan, and Christian hybrid, which for agrippa seems to systematically prioritize his christian worldview with the goal being illuminatuon and ascension up the chain of being towards the ineffable (or non gnoetic, as Justin seems to out it), which once again, in this case is The One, being the christian God, and thus all the classical notions of planetary intelligences and their virtues are sort of "gods cosmic operators," being downstream from a focal point of principal emination being a christian appropriation of the platonic One.
      I could be wrong, but I think that is how Justin seems to regularly frame the operation of pagan elements.

  • @TheSmark666
    @TheSmark666 2 місяці тому +1

    Do you know of any digitized copies of a book entitled, "Influence of Hermetic Philosophy on Christian Theology"?

  • @David-yp4fl
    @David-yp4fl 2 місяці тому

    🌿 LOVE FROM MISSISSIPPI USA 🇮🇱♥️🇺🇲

  • @md1476
    @md1476 22 дні тому

    @Dr Sledge
    I know u kind of wanted to avoid translating mens amd ratio as much as possible, but for us non latin readers reading the Purdue translation and want to track the development of these concepts in chapter 36 and beyond, what are Purdue's most common ways of translating them? In other words, whats the best way to know in Purdue's translation when Agrippa is explicitly using these terms? It seems the main thrust of this is pages 617-618.
    What I'm seeing is "mens" = "supreme/illuminated intellect" and "ratio" = "rational spirit/soul". Am I following correctly?
    Noticing translation terms shift a bit in chapter 43 and 44 to "mind" and reason (I'm assuming these are "mens" and "ratio" repectively?) Anything else I should be watching out for? Elsewhere across the three books, do I need to assume he consistently uses mind and reason in this way, or can I assume it's only in tlthisbpart that he uses them in this way?

    • @md1476
      @md1476 22 дні тому

      Also, same question regarding "felicitas": how does Purdue regularly translate it? Once again, I just want to clearly know it when I see it during my second read through of book 3

  • @typhvam5107
    @typhvam5107 2 місяці тому +1

    Being hit with illumination all at once sounds.... deadly.

  • @MarlonOwnsYourCake
    @MarlonOwnsYourCake 2 місяці тому

    42:41 i was JUST thinking of how it sounds like the junction system from ff8!😂

  • @erikmazio1205
    @erikmazio1205 2 місяці тому

    21:31 👍👍👍 Great for context!

  • @Jason.1734
    @Jason.1734 2 місяці тому

    I've noticed there's a few translations avaliable now. What would your recommend the best to get

  • @101jackj
    @101jackj 2 місяці тому

    These comments are out of control. Thanks for the upload, Dr. Sledge!

  • @Harabanar
    @Harabanar 2 місяці тому

    I can’t help loving Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa for his social awkwardness. I have to admit I have some of the same attitude towards authorities, and it have always worked for me. 😂

  • @StonedToDaath
    @StonedToDaath 2 місяці тому

    Hey about the Game mechanic, and something else….The Tabletop RPG “Broken worlds” might be something….and the comic of same setting called “Kill Six Billion Demons” by Tom Parkinson-Morgan Might be of interest to some…Theres a website for the comic

  • @petsontherocks
    @petsontherocks 2 місяці тому

    If Soul is eternal and undying then is it for Soul to still stay trapped in the physical realm permanently without any way out? I understand Spirit is the one that can stay back as an echo of a Soul but it seems the "ghost" part would be just like an automaton: existing but not living, being an echo of ones former combination of body, soul and spirit.
    So if soul can not get back to the divine after the death of the body, will it attach to a new human being to try again?

  • @nathanaelsmith3553
    @nathanaelsmith3553 2 місяці тому

    I think these old philosophies have modern relevance now that AI/LLM is taking off. They can help us understand the nature of consciousness and how/whether to recreate it. Computer science is starting to feel like a type of alchemy.

  • @karsu
    @karsu 2 місяці тому +2

    Can’t wait to see you panel in Comicon circuit Doctor Sledge. One of these days…

  • @VisiV
    @VisiV 2 місяці тому

    I was able to bake some Agrippa brownies a few nights back.

  • @bellewood9521
    @bellewood9521 2 місяці тому

    Listening to how Agrippa tries to avoid Averroism, I'm wondering: how much of the DOP was affected by Agrippa just trying to avoid charges on of heresy? Would it have been much different if he hadn't had to consider saving his skin? What do you think it might have been like if he'd had complete freedom of conscience?

    • @bellewood9521
      @bellewood9521 2 місяці тому

      Also, I've just discovered that Averroism was already in my predictive text, so I'm not sure what's going on with my phone....

    • @TheEsotericaChannel
      @TheEsotericaChannel  2 місяці тому +1

      You got that medieval phone

    • @bellewood9521
      @bellewood9521 2 місяці тому +1

      @@TheEsotericaChannel apparently it's the one that appeared in all the reliefs showing ancient astronauts....

  • @BluePrinceThoth
    @BluePrinceThoth Місяць тому

    Instead of translating the medieval 'ratio' as 'reason,' what do you think of referring to it, for the sake of easy conversation, as 'the rationale '?

  • @boringturtle
    @boringturtle 2 місяці тому

    Watching the section about the levels of the mind (mens, ratio, idolum, body), and I'm wondering what level this philosophy would attach "muse-ic inspiration" to -- ratio or idolum. By our conception, it definitely would fall into imagination, I think, but in my experience, true inspiration has that component of immediate knowing, so maybe it's ratio.

  • @kingchief4038
    @kingchief4038 2 місяці тому

    Wow 10 hours on Cornelius that's no easy task

  • @NewMessage
    @NewMessage 2 місяці тому

    Surely Rafael powers would be sai spinning, and weaponized broodiness!

  • @acmnin2146
    @acmnin2146 2 місяці тому

    Was not expecting a reference to FF6 Espers 😂

  • @thatmckenzie
    @thatmckenzie 2 місяці тому

    That "silver cord leading all the way back" sounds familiar. :)

    • @lllewelll
      @lllewelll 2 місяці тому

      @@thatmckenzie Yes, As trills, trippy

  • @emepeguerreiro
    @emepeguerreiro 2 місяці тому

    1:01:01 hellyeah theravada vibes

  • @HoTrEtArDeDcHiXx
    @HoTrEtArDeDcHiXx 2 місяці тому +1

    Hey sometimes the supposed mental illness just clicks coincidentally 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @EclecticEngineer604
    @EclecticEngineer604 2 дні тому

    ❤️🙏🏼

  • @moiz85
    @moiz85 2 місяці тому

    Agrippa space ship!!

  • @Bildgesmythe
    @Bildgesmythe 2 місяці тому

    So, i think therefore I'm fallen. I don't even want to think about my imagination 😊

  • @MarceloKuroi
    @MarceloKuroi 2 місяці тому +1

    The discursive mind of Agrippa sounds a lot like William S Burroughs "word virus".

    • @thatmckenzie
      @thatmckenzie 2 місяці тому +1

      V.A.L.I.S.

    • @MarceloKuroi
      @MarceloKuroi 2 місяці тому +1

      @@thatmckenzie But of course! That was clear from the first class. Also David Bowie and Brian Eno. The plot thickens.
      But this specific class reminded me of that magic essay of old Bill Lee.

  • @RonaldCedric-h9w
    @RonaldCedric-h9w 2 місяці тому

    Jo Mission

  • @edwardgurney1694
    @edwardgurney1694 2 місяці тому

    "I always imagine God as being like a big ball of dough..."
    The Inquisition has entered the chat.

  • @ChocloManx
    @ChocloManx 2 місяці тому

    pov you beat the averroism allegations

  • @jawadkhelil5742
    @jawadkhelil5742 2 місяці тому

    Nice one "Cornelius" was an ape character in "the Planet of the Apes movie" further implying that I think you are all apes because my mom told FB last year that I'm watching a salafist video on UA-cam when I watched that video just to have fun....I don't think you are apes we are all human beings and we all come from Adam and Eve. Oh and by the way I slept around 10pm last night so that means that I had my 8 hours of sleep.Peace. hugs

  • @Aleph_Null_Audio
    @Aleph_Null_Audio 2 місяці тому

    11:41 That image would make an amazing album cover!

  • @JanLanga-uk6us
    @JanLanga-uk6us 2 місяці тому

    Is YHWH the same like ALLAH?

    • @Carlos-bz5oo
      @Carlos-bz5oo 2 місяці тому

      functionally yes. If you see Yahweh as being more of an individual deity rather than a generic all mighty god then no

  • @WickedAcresLindsey
    @WickedAcresLindsey 2 місяці тому +3

    2nd

  • @H-yf7mw
    @H-yf7mw 2 місяці тому +3

    1st

  • @NewMessage
    @NewMessage 2 місяці тому +1

    That dude was magically reaching the goon state. Won't ever convince me different.

  • @KabbalahredemptionBlogspot
    @KabbalahredemptionBlogspot 2 місяці тому

    I take it back. Way too much effort defending you. Sorry. You’re partner to idolatry. Really sorry to say. This won’t end well. Chas veshalom

  • @adolfoketchum8157
    @adolfoketchum8157 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks!