I like both of these techniques - and even though Metallics are often considered a "beginner"-technique, it can be just as complicated as NMM. I like both for their different application possilibilites, always have a big arsenal for each situation! Which one do you like better?
I like the analysis and comparison between the styles. The side-by-side approach helps focus on the technique and results, rather than the figures and the specific minute details. I think there's potential for a series of side-by-side discussions/explorations of colour palettes, OSL, sketch-style, oil/acrylic washes... You could call it 'Dual Wielding' :-)
NMM Looks so easy when you watch it, just a couple thin layers getting smaller, brightened up in the middle...somehow mine looks like a sword made of zebra skin..Thanks for the great tutorial, I like the show of varied brush techniques.
@@EcopiuM I really appreciate and respect the skill, the mastery of the technique, but it does nothing for me aesthetically 4 out of 5 times. Even a passably good TMM on the other hand is already cool. But that is of course my subjective view.
@@docremington1589 Yes I agree with you. NMM is currently the "in" thing to do but knowing WHEN to use it is the important thing. Most people just slap it wherever once they learn how to do it. Which is fine if they personally like it but yeah.
I agree, NMM looks better in photos but when you look at the models in real life 3D TMM looks much better, sometimes NMM just looks strange as it doesn’t trick your eyes the same way it does in 2d photos
I think where NMM really shines is in display pieces designed to be viewed from a specific angle. Here it can look amazing, double so when you understand the time and skill involved in doing it well. For minis designed to be viewed from multiple angles, e.g. tabletop minis, NMM can look odd since at certain angles the reflections won't make sense. You can round this somewhat using the four light sources technique that Darren Latham describes in his NMM article, but it's not perfect. TMM on the other hand won't produce as striking results (in my opinion at least), but the reflections obviously change depending on the viewing angle so it'll look decent regardless of angle.
To me, the winner comes down to the static nature of the NMM. I love picking up a model and having the reflections change as I rotate the figure around. I like changing the lighting and watching it change the figurine. So I prefer more real world metallic techniques.
I agree with the fact that NMM is more fun to paint and it is so rewarding when you manage to pull it off. But especially on Warhammer minis I sometimes prefer the TMM because I like a grittier look. It creates a diffrent atmosphere and tells a diffrent story.
Really depends. I am a below average painter. The moment I pick up metallics, my results look infinitely better. I would never try NMM because I lack the skill and patience to achieve that. So especially for beginners, metallics make painting a lot easier.
The TMM is good, but just looking at the NMM figure brings me actual real life joy. It's so gorgeous. I freakin' love this hobby. Thanks for the great content Trovarion!
Mad respect and love for using recast in your bases on this and the Void Dragon. I suppose that showing how to recast sculpts to enhance your bases is why GW doesn't send you stuff anymore. Way to have huge balls and just do it anyway. TUTORIAL BRAVELY
I know it wasn't the subject of this video, but let me just point out how beautiful your fallen pillars are! They actually look like polished stone, rather than 'grey wash, brown wash, drybrush' pillars! Gorgeous!
Something I appreciate is your approach to discuss how it's just art. There's no "best." Only results. Showing multiple styles will help people find what works best for their tastes.
One of the best videos on both TMM and NMM! Great work. Especially the sentence: "NMM is about creating light/dark contrast while TMM is more about creating shiny/non-shiny contrast" clicked for me. Thanks a lot and cheers from Salzburg.
The control you have over your paintbrush is unreal. Make it look so easy, like just dab a tiny bit of paint, boop boop boop, whereas my ham hands are smashing big blobs accidentally all the time haha. Great video though!
Thanks for the in-depth tutorial on how to properly use metallics! I'm not really interested in doing NMM but the methods you described will really make up my game with metals.
I have watched a lot of content in the past 2.5 years on miniature painting - I'm serious about it. I want to be great. So I have to be fairly critical internally about the utility of any content I watch as it applies to my goals and I'm good at it. I'm discerning. I know what I'm looking at. This is an exemplary video. It really is and it runs a wide gamut in the ways that it is of the very highest utility. It is in the most exclusive grouping and it is among the leaders of that group. It's basically essential in my book. A tip of my cap to you. Thanks man.
This shows that even if you have the technical ability to paint the NMM style you still need to know where to place the reflections and what colours will sell it. Also shows that TMM can be taken to a much higher level than I have ever attempted. Thanks
I had always seen the metallic vs NMM question as being a set of trade-offs; metallics will look good from any angle due to the reflections changing with the ambient light, whereas NMM highlights are in a fixed position and look best from specific angles.
Watching this, I learned how little I use texture in my painting. Everything is smooth and edge highlighted smooth. Bonus points to you for getting two lessons in one!
Thank you for this informative video, and thank you also for posting such a comprehensive list of your gear and equipment in the description. I tremendously appreciate that as well.
A 1:1 comparison of TMM vs. NMM on the same miniature is a good Idea to show differences. Great work. I like the armour and cloak of the NMM model and on the TMM model the shield. :)
I am so sad it took me a year to find this video. I have been working so hard on applying NMM techniques to True Metallic paint for almost 6 months now. I greatly prefer your method of starting with the bright metallic and shading down with non metallic. I have been trying to do it the other way. After watching this I switched and the results have been instantly better!! Great video thank you so much!! I subscribed instantly, as I don’t want to miss another thing from you.
I really appreciate this tutorial where we can see the two styles side by side as you paint each “style”….great help in giving us the pros and cons of each approach, and as always two great figures!
I watched this video to try learn to do NMM but instead learned how to make my TMM look less like garbage. Thanks for the video. It was super helpful for a beginner like me.
I would watch more of this sort of videos. Testing and comparing techniques, something I probably wouldn't try myself. Always wanted more "scientific-ish" painting videos.
This is one of the video's I have been looking for! I like to paint TMM and love to see how a very good painter uses them. I realize I might be avoiding learning NMM, but looking at the results you got I like the TMM better. So will try to get better at that first. Also for army painting it makes more sense to use the faster method.
Great video! From my own experience TMM can be a beginner's trap because it actually requires a lot more skill to pull it off correctly than most expect - since it gives fast results that look ok to the untrained eye quickly, but requires absolute mastery to look great. When I started out painting miniatures I ruined a bunch with sloppy TMM coatings. Meanwhile NMM seems a little harder at first but tends to get easier with enough experience, so it's more of a allrounder technique and I prefer it for a more controlled and unified look.
this is such a great video showing the results of both and a great guide on trying to get the best out of both techniques. just starting to try and get better at NMM. thank you
I fell off the painting train a long while back, and randomly re-discovering you here fills me with bucket loads of nostalgia. I remember really enjoying your Dirz back in the day, and it's only gotten more incredible! I've just gone back to cmon for the first time in years just to have a look at your miniatures again... Not gonna lie, I'm tearing up at some of the memories it's bringing me back. Thank you so SO much for sharing your work!! Fun detail: according to two former R. painters, the actual reason Rackham started doing NMM is that it was easier to touch up the pictures of painted models than TMM. Not that it takes anything away from these artists, their work was stunning in person as well
I stumbled across this video by accident, but the non-metallic metal painting here was amazing! I found myself liking the NMM version much more in your work.
honestly i like the actual metal one there's beauty in its simplicity. It would be cool if only the sword was none metallic bc that look is unrivaled to me.
I recently played around with a lot of metallic paints - mixing them with inks to paint regular power armor. Tried an ultramarine, a black templar and a salamander and I gotta say: I enjoyed that SO much. Sadly it was way too much work for an army project. But i found a tmm silver mixed with inks is an incredibly different, fun and awesome looking way to paint good old regular space marines. It makes them look very interesting and by mixing in black/dark inks you can use the tmm colours really similarly to how you would use regular paints.
This videos has shown me as a beginner so many ways to just spice up my true metal painting. The effects washes and shading on metal can achieve is amazing. So much to learn still. Thanks for these amazing videos.
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you so much. Whilst NMM is shinier that almost gives the skellies a creepier look, with the big contrast between light and dark it looks like they shining reflecting moonlight. Love it.
Lets try to make this the new video with the most comments! Love NMM and seeing your take on this really makes me want to paint an army in NMM, painful as that may be.
I like when you pointed out how non metallic glazing adds contrast to the scheme. This is a relief for me because I'm trying to paint a Caladius Annihilator and glazing down the gold has proven to be an ordeal with metallics so I'm glad to hear that using standard colors is a viable alternative.
They both look amazing in their own way! It's really helpful to see a side-by-side of the same mini with the different styles to really drive home the potential applications for each method.
I love how watching this video makes the process of NMM seem so achievable (to someone with little painting skills), when really it’s just your amazing talent shining through. Awesome video man thank you!
I got a lot out of the final comparison, I hadn't even considered the non metallic vs metallic as being anymore than a personal preference but that has changed now. I'm a photographer by trade and now I can see how my lighting skills can influence my minis. Many thanks!
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I like both of these techniques - and even though Metallics are often considered a "beginner"-technique, it can be just as complicated as NMM. I like both for their different application possilibilites, always have a big arsenal for each situation! Which one do you like better?
Algorithm please bless this man and his great content.
yes... just a useless comment to please the strange gods of algorithm
Amen
I'll add one here as well. I'm learning so so much from his videos!
ill quad that!
I like the analysis and comparison between the styles. The side-by-side approach helps focus on the technique and results, rather than the figures and the specific minute details. I think there's potential for a series of side-by-side discussions/explorations of colour palettes, OSL, sketch-style, oil/acrylic washes... You could call it 'Dual Wielding' :-)
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I prefer the TMM model. Starting with steel and washing and glazing to make bronze opened a whole new conceptual landscape for me.
NMM Looks so easy when you watch it, just a couple thin layers getting smaller, brightened up in the middle...somehow mine looks like a sword made of zebra skin..Thanks for the great tutorial, I like the show of varied brush techniques.
From mini to mini I get to see, I realise that I’m not a fan of NMM at all. Beautiful minis both, but TMM is my favourite.
NMM can be great but I don't think this exact mini/theme is the one to show it off.
@@EcopiuM I really appreciate and respect the skill, the mastery of the technique, but it does nothing for me aesthetically 4 out of 5 times. Even a passably good TMM on the other hand is already cool. But that is of course my subjective view.
I agree, I think NMM is overhyped. It looks great from the one angle, sure, but from multiple angles, I find that TMM looks better.
@@docremington1589 Yes I agree with you. NMM is currently the "in" thing to do but knowing WHEN to use it is the important thing. Most people just slap it wherever once they learn how to do it. Which is fine if they personally like it but yeah.
I agree, NMM looks better in photos but when you look at the models in real life 3D TMM looks much better, sometimes NMM just looks strange as it doesn’t trick your eyes the same way it does in 2d photos
I'm hugely impressed by the skill involved in painting NMM's, but actual metallic paints look better.
The hidden gems on these vídeos are what i come for. For example those shields and cloals look absolutely awesome. Thank you
Hey Algorithm, this video is great and you should promote it!
Blessed be the creator of this goodness
NMM definitely looks more deliberate, but I still prefer the overall look of TMM. Great video!
I think where NMM really shines is in display pieces designed to be viewed from a specific angle. Here it can look amazing, double so when you understand the time and skill involved in doing it well.
For minis designed to be viewed from multiple angles, e.g. tabletop minis, NMM can look odd since at certain angles the reflections won't make sense. You can round this somewhat using the four light sources technique that Darren Latham describes in his NMM article, but it's not perfect.
TMM on the other hand won't produce as striking results (in my opinion at least), but the reflections obviously change depending on the viewing angle so it'll look decent regardless of angle.
To me, the winner comes down to the static nature of the NMM. I love picking up a model and having the reflections change as I rotate the figure around. I like changing the lighting and watching it change the figurine. So I prefer more real world metallic techniques.
I agree with the fact that NMM is more fun to paint and it is so rewarding when you manage to pull it off. But especially on Warhammer minis I sometimes prefer the TMM because I like a grittier look. It creates a diffrent atmosphere and tells a diffrent story.
Agree
Really depends. I am a below average painter. The moment I pick up metallics, my results look infinitely better. I would never try NMM because I lack the skill and patience to achieve that. So especially for beginners, metallics make painting a lot easier.
Good luck with the new endeavour 🍀🤞🍀🤞🍀
The TMM is good, but just looking at the NMM figure brings me actual real life joy. It's so gorgeous. I freakin' love this hobby. Thanks for the great content Trovarion!
They both look amazing but the NMM is perfection
This really makes me look differently at TMM paints, thanks again!😸
Ow and NMM is totally it for me,between these two,but both are awesome!
Even though the goal of the video is to compare NMM and TMM I found it to be a very clear and quick tutorial for each, love it!
sure, it was meant as both of that :) comparison and quick tutorial.
Mad respect and love for using recast in your bases on this and the Void Dragon. I suppose that showing how to recast sculpts to enhance your bases is why GW doesn't send you stuff anymore. Way to have huge balls and just do it anyway. TUTORIAL BRAVELY
Maximum effort camera work, love the multi shot brushwork sections of this video
I really like the in-depth explanation of how you use the colors!
I know it wasn't the subject of this video, but let me just point out how beautiful your fallen pillars are! They actually look like polished stone, rather than 'grey wash, brown wash, drybrush' pillars! Gorgeous!
You are my favorite miniature painting UA-camr. Great video yet again
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Something I appreciate is your approach to discuss how it's just art. There's no "best." Only results. Showing multiple styles will help people find what works best for their tastes.
Really love NMM. Also love Rackham confrontation minis! More people need to know about them
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Just love your videos Mr Trovarian. Easy to understand, and the depth of knowledge is so appreciated. Thankyou.
One of the best videos on both TMM and NMM! Great work. Especially the sentence: "NMM is about creating light/dark contrast while TMM is more about creating shiny/non-shiny contrast" clicked for me. Thanks a lot and cheers from Salzburg.
alternate title: insane brush control video. Outstanding work Trovarion - the camera work is impressive too. Thanks for sharing once again.
Thanks!
The control you have over your paintbrush is unreal. Make it look so easy, like just dab a tiny bit of paint, boop boop boop, whereas my ham hands are smashing big blobs accidentally all the time haha. Great video though!
omfg, new video already, glad to see you again
I must say this video helped me alot on my nmm journey right now. Thank you
The direct comparison in one video is a great take! Go on like this good man!
Both look stunning, i tend to like the tmm more
I will probably never adventure into NMM. I feel like the time and skill entry to get a good result is enormous. This is a great video!
Thanks for the in-depth tutorial on how to properly use metallics! I'm not really interested in doing NMM but the methods you described will really make up my game with metals.
Finally, an example that explains both effects so simply, thanks Trovarian
I’d like to see how you painted the bone.
I have watched a lot of content in the past 2.5 years on miniature painting - I'm serious about it. I want to be great. So I have to be fairly critical internally about the utility of any content I watch as it applies to my goals and I'm good at it. I'm discerning. I know what I'm looking at.
This is an exemplary video. It really is and it runs a wide gamut in the ways that it is of the very highest utility. It is in the most exclusive grouping and it is among the leaders of that group. It's basically essential in my book.
A tip of my cap to you. Thanks man.
So many great things go learn here. I couldn't name just one thing that I took from it the video.
Original video! awesome skills as always! I saw your last vod,and hit that Bell, gonna help as much as i can!
I really liked the tips how to make metallic paints look better 👍
TMM for the win. Fantastic first vid Trovariion!
This shows that even if you have the technical ability to paint the NMM style you still need to know where to place the reflections and what colours will sell it.
Also shows that TMM can be taken to a much higher level than I have ever attempted.
Thanks
I had always seen the metallic vs NMM question as being a set of trade-offs; metallics will look good from any angle due to the reflections changing with the ambient light, whereas NMM highlights are in a fixed position and look best from specific angles.
I like this format a lot. Nice job!
Watching this, I learned how little I use texture in my painting. Everything is smooth and edge highlighted smooth. Bonus points to you for getting two lessons in one!
Thank you for this informative video, and thank you also for posting such a comprehensive list of your gear and equipment in the description. I tremendously appreciate that as well.
Such a deep level of understanding put into a palatable way for learners of all levels.
Let's comment, the world need to see this! Awesome content man.
A 1:1 comparison of TMM vs. NMM on the same miniature is a good Idea to show differences. Great work.
I like the armour and cloak of the NMM model and on the TMM model the shield. :)
Great and super helpful video!!
As always! I like the new format and editing
I was impressed how you just put yellow and brown washes over silver metallic, instead of using straight gold. I never thought of this before. Cheers!
Great video m8! Lots of awesome tips on painting NMM and TMM. I'll definitely be trying some of these on my figures. Cheers!
Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
Algorithm please show this man to the masses who have yet to embrace nmm
It was really interesting to hear your opinion on which situation NMM and TMM was more suitable
Im excited to see more videos and to learn more about your process and creative vision when you paint
I am so sad it took me a year to find this video. I have been working so hard on applying NMM techniques to True Metallic paint for almost 6 months now. I greatly prefer your method of starting with the bright metallic and shading down with non metallic. I have been trying to do it the other way. After watching this I switched and the results have been instantly better!! Great video thank you so much!! I subscribed instantly, as I don’t want to miss another thing from you.
Wow watching how effortless you paint nmm is amazing, great video as always
Nice comparison. I am also glad for your approach to give both techniques their place in miniature painting
Absolutely crushed it with this one. Great work and thanks for sharing.
I really appreciate this tutorial where we can see the two styles side by side as you paint each “style”….great help in giving us the pros and cons of each approach, and as always two great figures!
I watched this video to try learn to do NMM but instead learned how to make my TMM look less like garbage. Thanks for the video. It was super helpful for a beginner like me.
I see so many people use TMM, but it's so hard to add or take anything away at that point. Also, thanks for all the work you do!
A really nice high-end comparison.
I would watch more of this sort of videos. Testing and comparing techniques, something I probably wouldn't try myself. Always wanted more "scientific-ish" painting videos.
Cool TMM glazing method. Love the demonstration of how the paint comes off the brush using your nail or the paper towel.
This is one of the video's I have been looking for! I like to paint TMM and love to see how a very good painter uses them. I realize I might be avoiding learning NMM, but looking at the results you got I like the TMM better. So will try to get better at that first. Also for army painting it makes more sense to use the faster method.
Those Confrontation figures were so far ahead of what Warhammer was making at the time! I loved them.
yes, 100% - I thought about making a video about that
Absolutely incredible! Thank you for sharing your incredible talent!
Es geht endlich wieder los!
Great video! From my own experience TMM can be a beginner's trap because it actually requires a lot more skill to pull it off correctly than most expect - since it gives fast results that look ok to the untrained eye quickly, but requires absolute mastery to look great. When I started out painting miniatures I ruined a bunch with sloppy TMM coatings.
Meanwhile NMM seems a little harder at first but tends to get easier with enough experience, so it's more of a allrounder technique and I prefer it for a more controlled and unified look.
Great Kris looking forward to more cheers appreciate the work you do for the community 👍👍
Super video. Freue mich auf den häufigeren content output.
this is such a great video showing the results of both and a great guide on trying to get the best out of both techniques. just starting to try and get better at NMM. thank you
I fell off the painting train a long while back, and randomly re-discovering you here fills me with bucket loads of nostalgia. I remember really enjoying your Dirz back in the day, and it's only gotten more incredible! I've just gone back to cmon for the first time in years just to have a look at your miniatures again... Not gonna lie, I'm tearing up at some of the memories it's bringing me back. Thank you so SO much for sharing your work!!
Fun detail: according to two former R. painters, the actual reason Rackham started doing NMM is that it was easier to touch up the pictures of painted models than TMM. Not that it takes anything away from these artists, their work was stunning in person as well
Thank you for the video, top quality as always!
Great job, I loved this side by side approach. This also gave me some new techniques to use with TMM, so thanks!
I stumbled across this video by accident, but the non-metallic metal painting here was amazing! I found myself liking the NMM version much more in your work.
Nono. Unconsciously worked. Love the videos my dude! Learning a lot!
honestly i like the actual metal one there's beauty in its simplicity. It would be cool if only the sword was none metallic bc that look is unrivaled to me.
I recently played around with a lot of metallic paints - mixing them with inks to paint regular power armor. Tried an ultramarine, a black templar and a salamander and I gotta say: I enjoyed that SO much. Sadly it was way too much work for an army project. But i found a tmm silver mixed with inks is an incredibly different, fun and awesome looking way to paint good old regular space marines. It makes them look very interesting and by mixing in black/dark inks you can use the tmm colours really similarly to how you would use regular paints.
Well done - excellent explanation & tutorial
This videos has shown me as a beginner so many ways to just spice up my true metal painting. The effects washes and shading on metal can achieve is amazing. So much to learn still.
Thanks for these amazing videos.
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you so much. Whilst NMM is shinier that almost gives the skellies a creepier look, with the big contrast between light and dark it looks like they shining reflecting moonlight. Love it.
You’re super talented and the miniature art world is lucky to have you joining it full-time. You 100% have this.
Lets try to make this the new video with the most comments!
Love NMM and seeing your take on this really makes me want to paint an army in NMM, painful as that may be.
I like when you pointed out how non metallic glazing adds contrast to the scheme. This is a relief for me because I'm trying to paint a Caladius Annihilator and glazing down the gold has proven to be an ordeal with metallics so I'm glad to hear that using standard colors is a viable alternative.
Fantastic video and results, if all of your full-time youtubing content is to this standard this will be a great ride. Best of luck!
Thats a really fun idea. Its great to see the two techniques side by side.
Great video, another one to watch several times to digest all the info 🙏😊
They both look amazing in their own way! It's really helpful to see a side-by-side of the same mini with the different styles to really drive home the potential applications for each method.
Awesome video. Thx. I prefer metallics, a always have lots of fun toying with the pigments.
Great comparison video and reasons why for both. Best of luck in going full-time
thanks bro for the tutorial. i got the point. hope you success forever
Great video!! Gave a really interesting inside and I will most definitely reevaluate my metals.
I love how watching this video makes the process of NMM seem so achievable (to someone with little painting skills), when really it’s just your amazing talent shining through. Awesome video man thank you!
I got a lot out of the final comparison, I hadn't even considered the non metallic vs metallic as being anymore than a personal preference but that has changed now. I'm a photographer by trade and now I can see how my lighting skills can influence my minis. Many thanks!