This Train Made Passengers Sick: The APT Tilting Train Story
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In the 1960’s, Britain's railways were in decline. The country’s railways were slow and antiquated and facing fierce competition against growing automobile ownership and booming air travel. But elsewhere in the world, railways were beginning to make a comeback, and the key seemed to be much higher speeds. Japan’s new high speed Shinkansen Bullet Trains proved enormously successful with passengers, carrying over 100 million passengers in just the first three years of service. The French had also begun working on a revolutionary new high train, the TGV (Train à Grande Vitesse, "high-speed train"). If British Rail was going to compete with automobiles and airliners, the solution seemed clear: much faster trains.
But elsewhere in the world high speed trains were developed along with new special dedicate high speed tracks. These new lines were constructed with long, straight sections of rail and gentle curves. For their Bullet Trains, the Japanese built an entirely new dedicated high-speed rail line (Tokaido Shinkansen). For their TGV, the French would need to build hundreds of kilometers of dedicated high speed track (LGV for Ligne à Grande Vitesse).
But the British would take a different approach. Instead of spending billions on new high-speed rail infrastructure, they would engineer a new kind of high speed train that could run on Britain’s existing rail network. The challenge was that many of Britain’s railways were built a hundred years earlier, and they were full of sharp twists and turns. The solution, was to engineer a train that would lean into bends like a motorcycle, maintaining passenger comfort even while running a high speeds around sharp curves. With active tilting technology, the Advanced Passenger Train (APT), would be able to bend nearly twice as fast as any British train. During testing in 1979, the APT hit 261 km/h, setting a new British speed record.
But the APT’s development was plagued by setbacks and delays. The train never lived up to its potential. From day one, the APT was plagued by technical problems; everything from frozen breaks to failed tilting mechanisms. Nearly a third of passengers to become motion sick from the tilting mechanism. After a disastrous debut, British Rail faced an uphill battle to overcome technical challenges and win back public confidence in their innovative train. It was a battle they would never win.
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"It's smooth, it's quiet"
Even his voice is shaking
I was looking for a comment, just like this one
You have to remember that he is speaking from a comparative point of view of a set point in time, trains at the time were loud, they did shake, the APT did less of that, therefore to him it might've been smooth and quiet, but you listening from 2019 with 2019 standards might see it and think "what? it's like an earthquake".. Well, that's how it was back then.
I remember trains in the 90s that were shaky and not quiet what so ever, so you don't have to go that far back.
I wonder how much he was paid to say that.
This was smooth and quiet for the 70s vs the 30s, the same way it’s shaky to us in 2019 🙄
@@OriginalPuro r/wooosh
1. Buy from England
2. Sell back to England
3. Profit
@Laquelectro pogba
East India company used to buy cotton from India make it into a finished product in their factories and sell them at a cheaper price there than local goods destroying the indigenous businesses.
italy101
@@acejee that's how corporations work innit
@@manlikeryan Britain 101. May be the Italians learned from the British.
The journalist: "Smooth quiet and all together, delightful expirience"
His cup: *TKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKT*
I hope this guy was a paid actor for some promotional film
@@p4rz1val think he was a blue peter presenter in the 1970's - Peter Purves
I forgor ☠️ his name, but he owns the crusty Crab. He is the tea.
@@andrewnyland7090 Correct, he's now 83 years old
the irony is clear to see in the clip.
Black hole: *is devouring Earth in the background*
Presenter: Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience
Seems an idea for next Dr. Who episodes.
Fr, the whole train is shaking and he’s going “smooth, quiet”
@@mr.randomperson9900 1980, with steam trains from the 30s as a reference.
‘Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience’
*everything shaking violently in the background*
Baggie195 LGN_ you’ve obviously never been on any train
@@saudiprince6532 A train in the Netherlands would never be so shaky.
@@saudiprince6532 Trains in Germany run pretty quietly.
I mean I'm from Denmark and I'll admit our railways aren't in the best shape. Constant neglect, overpriced fares, lack of amenities and services and the entire disaster that is the IC4 train (seriously look it up it's quite the ride), so yeah, our fastest trains go 180km/h and are somewhat rough when going fast.
But then I went to Italy last year. Venice to be exact and my family decided to take the Frecciarossa (the red arrow) to the Garda lake. The train went as fast as 250km/h at one point and it was as smooth as butter. the only shaking on the entire train was from the doors that violently slammed at every stop. I honestly wasn't expecting that from Trenitalia after going through a very badly put together booking site as well as considering our own plagued IC4 trains were made in Italy!
Well these peoples who stupidly arguing living in 2019 with an advance train technology while this (another) people live in 1970 "promoting" a train that is (indeed) shaky but it's still far more better compared to 1930's 1940's era train that were commonly used on that decade, duh... if you want a fair comparison try visit a third-world country and try their train, come again here and tell us your story after using it :)
"Its smooth and quiet"
Dude I can bearly hear you with all the noise and the girl behind you is shaking violently
**terminators killing and taking over in the background**
No one:
Advert guy being held at gunpoint: smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience
Redhen Railcar SAR 🤣😂🤣😂
Please stop using this meme. It sucks.
@@clray123 Please Stop Complaining, We didn't ask for your Opinion
@@bienangelo2203 Yeah because that's how youtube comments work isn't it. You express your opinion and others go "no one asked". Yeah, not designed for the very purpose of expressing your opinion or anything... as opposed to the spastic memeing that appears to be the norm of this comments section
@@dan27032 Freedom of Speech is not allowed here, Partner.
Best of the Best of UA-cam. Best visuals, interesting material and top quality. Thank you, Mustard!
Vytautas Vaicys I agree!!
Definitely
Most def!
I’m always so excited for any new Mustard video. They are absolutely wonderful in so many ways.
I like Wendover Productions as well
Despite being an interim train, the Intercity 125 HST still stands as the fastest diesel train on the planet and still in service to today.
It was more like the 'Intercity 140' for the first few months of operation. Drivers regularly achieved 135-140mph on the GWML and possibly on the ECML in the early days until speed limiters were fitted.
It was electric
@@Kaavin_dixit No, the InterCity 225 is electric, the earlier InterCity 125 HST was diesel-electric
Pollys without pay rises every year 4 Xmas - you’d had have a total NEW TRAIN SYSTEM FULLY PROCESSED tracks signals the lot🤔
@@Kaavin_dixit That's the 225, or Class 91.
_Everything shaking violently all around._
"This is fine."
@Laquelectro 2 months Later 266 Likes and 2 comments
@Laquelectro 1 year later with 324 likes and 3 comments
5:20 Just want to mention the Fact that i love that the Wiper is synced up with the Music
So it is! Perhaps it played go ahead action music when in operation.
It's like saying don't ever fix the potholes just make bigger tires.
it makes sense when fixing pothole require you to make expensive bridge and tunnel through mountain. Trying to solve this by clever manipulation is a valid way to go about it. It just you need more effort to make it perfect.
And that is how the 4x4 was invented.
would u invent shoes or cover the roads with material
@@menacetosociety9076 I would just make your feet harder.
Genoa : don't fix the bridge, make jumping cars.
*Magnitude 10 earthquake happens
Train advertising guy: ‘Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience’
Most UA-camrs:
Quantity over quality
Mustard:
Quality over quantity
And I love that🙌🏻^
Mustards content is quite a wholesome quantity. Its not too much, not too little. Maybe a bit little but the quality really does make up
It aint much, but its honest work
0:53
“Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience”
**Shaking like machine gun fire**
Delay issues instead of fixing them. The good old British way.
lol
Even Brexit
So true
Now i got y Indian government system is slow in desicion making.
The good old American way: deny issues instead of fixing them.
And if that doesn’t work, just ignore them and let the next president deal with it.
People: “literal earthquake, not smooth and quiet”
Me: *ride a pacer and then we’ll talk*
Don't worry they will be replaced by slightly new, slow, diesel trains in only about 10 - 40 years.
@@Jgvcfguy the pacer is already replaced with the class 195 which is quicker and smoother than a pacer
God damn those pacers...
They've seen nothing.
They should ride the back of the bus here. You'll get tossed off your seat if you don't hold for dear life.
These videos are the best of their kind. Your Jet Age Aesthetics and easy to understand graphics and writing are so great to bear witness too. You’re truly a favorite creator of mine.
We the British seem to have a knack for making incredible and innovative technological advancements, getting caught up in various teething problems, selling the technology off to other nations and then buying products off them years later that use the same technology we created in the first place.
Now the Italians using the same technology they bought from the British in the first place...
You mean steal from others
@@nerdking3308 What the hell are you talking about?
@@nerdking3308???
Yes. .gov are traitors allowing or facilitating it. TSR-2 plane is an example.
As one can read in Italian language on this wikipedia page it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Passenger_Train those patents (related to the APT boogies) were acquired in order to improve the design of the second generation of Pendolinos. The first generation of those Italian trains predates the APT by about 6 years and therefore was not a derivation of the APT. It was very successful in particular because of the choice to use gyroscopes in order to detect the "lead-in sopraelevation" of the tracks just _prior_ to the curves and thus smooth out the tilt seamlessly - while the British solution used the centrifugal force itself (while _already_ in the curve) in order to steer the tilt, hence the discomfort felt by many passengers, particularly in those initial tests. There is a very interesting book - still in Italian language ("Oltre il Pendolino" by Professor Konig) - which is very interesting with regard to the history and early development of the Pendolino project.
While the video does make this point, I feel it should be perhaps even more clearly stated that the tilt occurs JUST FOR PASSENGER'S COMFORT. Indeed it has nothing to do with the train thus being able to travel at higher speeds in curves without derailing. In fact a non-tilting train could travel at the same speeds, however such a ride would be VERY uncomfortable for the passengers.
So who much of the patent did they buy and any idea how much paid?
Trains are pretty fucking lit if you think about it.
Specialized multi ton mechanical caterpillar behemoths transporting thousands of humans running at speed on specialized tracks.
Think how lit it was back in the day, lets put a massive fuck off boiler on wheels and have people PAY to be pulled by it, mad compared to a horse and cart.
Jesus, we got a new Mustard video, thx for a new genius work, could u make a video about the 747? Or maybe about the approaches to the middle of the market in the aerospace industry? Would love to see something like this 👍
I wanna see that
Fun fact: Sweden uses this exact sort of train from the same company for our line of High Speed Trains due to even though shutting down a gigantic portion of the rail network, it covered most of Sweden already. And due to the sheer size of Sweden versus how many can use... well it was cheaper option to go for the Italian trains. And whilst I enjoy them very much, especially the newest fleet with more narrow plating and wiring, there is one big mistake SJ still ain't gotten fixed. The air pull is underneath... where the snow can be... like lots of snow... like clogging the vents amount... There is a reason there is a joke about how SJ is always surprised at the fact it snows in sweden...
0:57 he says it’s smooth and quiet while the blasting of background noise and rattling is going on
Would love a video about the German ICE and the French TGV!
Flippy Official from Warschau to Auschwitz
@@justarandomsovietofficerwi2023 /unexpectedhitler
@@justarandomsovietofficerwi2023 May I suggest that you delete such a mischievous comment?
the APT still holds the London to Glasgow record at 3hrs 52min
And.. I love the Pendolinos (Class 390) but they cant beat that record and the APT got held up for 5 minutes at a faulty signal on that record run lol
"The train had been put into service before it was ready."
All too often these for the sake of PR.
I also like the final twist in the end where the technology came back.
It’s not a good thing it’s another massive cock up by the uk, the Italians are making the money off our tech because we couldn’t be arsed to develop it
This was tested on a track that ran near where we live in the Midlands. Its been pulled up long ago but I remember seeing it running and thinking what an amazing thing it was.
I dont know why UA-cam recommended me this, but I think its good 11 minutes i spent.. :|
Welcome to Mustard. This is how we all arrive.
Yeah
Agreed
Same
Journalists who drank too much the night before and a hasty roll out during a winter, led to the collapse of the project.
The Advanced Passenger Train WAS "smooth, quiet and delightful" when COMPARED TO THE TRAINS IT WAS REPLACING back in the 1970s.
As for feeling queasy, the people who reported feeling sick were the hungover journalists who had been "entertained" in the hotel bar the night before at BR's expense.
Regular travelers reported that on the very twisty route south from Glasgow "You didn't notice the curves, it felt as if the line had been straightened out."
True. I travelled a number of times on the test train and dined on it later in service.
your story might me true but not entertaining.
Oh, indeed. Not entertaining but supporting David Taylor's comment. I do lament it's passing. It was an excellent train let down by those equipment suppliers which talked up their capabilities but delivered machines unfit for purpose.
One can only hope that HS2 requires their property or, better still, goes past their front doors.
I hope that is more entertaining.
Lol "smooth...quiet..."
Meanwhile dishes rattle violently
Ahhahahahahaha! True!
Agreed! That's a very smooth quiet and delightful roller coaster!
A video with the utmost detail that UA-cam videos deserve, and Scottish names pronounced correctly - by a North American. Thank you very much!
Lol North American
@@luke_5187 Canadians are guilty of the mispronunciations too - Edinburgh prunounced incorrectly as "Edinburg" or "Edinburrow", and Glasgow pronounced incorrectly as "Glass-cow". This video is an absolute pleasure when it comes to getting things right.
xLiaam ThreeOneZeroFive okay
0:39 the DB (Deutsche Bahn [German railway]) had this idea since 1996 with the introduction of the ICE T
A ICE is a high speed train.
*here are some infos about the ICE T*
Length over buffers:
(model series 411:) 184.4m
(model series 415:) 132.6m
height: 3910m
width: 2850m
Top speed: 230 km/h
Sweden developed the same type of technology, trains started to operate from 1990. Motion sickness was also a problem in the beginning, I myself felt queasy but learnt not to look out of the windows when passing forests close by. One winter when -15 deg outside the levelling system broke down and they had to close the restaurant because everything got spilled. Wonder what chill factor you have at 200 km/h and-15 centigrade?
The animation quality is absolutely insane!! This is the quality content I never see often on UA-cam or anywhere else
I love your videos :D
The Iron Armenian aka G.I. Haigs lmao what are you doing here xDD
Also looking at the noice animations?
"it's smooth, it's quiet"
PLATE RATTLING INTENSIFIES
🤣🤣🤣
Excellent video man! Great to have that AP footage, that's HUGE! Congrats!
Reminds me of the swedish X-2000, with the whole “leaning into turns” thing.
Maybe do a part 2 about the HST?
Yes!
Now that the HST 125 is about to bow out from front mainline intercity service a part 2 follow up to this could feature the much more successful train for Britain's Victorian railroads please Mustard your uploads are ace!!
I loved using these trains while playing Chris Sawyer's Locomotion, and always wondered why they became obsolete so quickly. This video was very informative, and I appreciate the effort you put in the video ^‿^
5:47 "By DAVID TENNANT" He really is a time traveller!
Italy be like the big bro of britain, helping to download a game on the PC.
7:22 looks like a the face of a Pavian!
Tornado: picks up train and flails it around
Guy: it’s smooth quiet and an all together great experience
This tilt technology, far from making people sick, is now routinely used in several country's rail networks, including the UK... The nausea, reported as being the fault of the tilt mechanism, is largely based on one story from a press journey, where the network operators invited several press organisations and dozens of reporters to travel on a demonstration journey from London to Glasgow. The press junket, unfortunately for the APT's reputation, had a free bar, and the press quaffed copious amounts of this free booze... It was this, that caused the nausea, and not the tilt mechanism... Unfortunately, he who writes the news, makes the news, and it was less embarrassing to write headlines like "Queasy Rider" etc, than to admit that you can't handle your beer.
No, I can confirm that every single ride longer then half an hour on a Pendolino, ICE-T or ICN I ever took made me sick.
And I ride a lot of trains, never happens with a regular ICE or IC.
Especially observable on the ICE-T 95 Rostock - Vienna that only starts Tilting south of Nürnberg.
I am far from the only one affected.
@@Leoappeared You must be quite rare, maybe have severe motion sickness? I only say that because as the video stated, the pendalino is used a lot to get to London from other parts of the UK. I've used it numerous times, and I have never felt ill, tbh I forget they tilt and I've never seen anyone look remotely ill on them. For 99% of people who use them, everything is fine.
Best thing is: the german ICE also has a tilting mechanism, that alows it to go just as fast as trains in the 1930's did between major cities. Never mind the fact that the system often breaks down forcing a reduction in speed or the fact that they do the same time the 1930's trains did despite the old trains having to serve more stations along the way. Oh and lets not forget that the AC in these trains often "broke down" in the summer or in harsh winters (in the summer the reason was that they were programmed as requested to not include temperatures above 30°C, meaning 30°C made the train think it was at 0°C instead. Yes this was the way Siemens programmed it on request of the Deutsche Bahn, which went with it even after the flaw was pointed out).
Oh man I was rewatching your vids last night and was like dam I'm keen for a new video and then bam, uploaded today. Best guy on UA-cam. Please consider covering hovercrafts or hydrofoils at some point. Also we have a tilt train in Australia in queenand. Or we did. I think it's a via.
Great video.
I personally believe that APT was politically sabotaged. It also angers me that the technology was sold on. It was such a short sighted thing to do.
Wholeheartedly agree with you
You know the history of the Transrapid? It happens everywhere when technology is developed before the people are ready for it.
MetalheadAndNerd Maglev trains have there own issues. I had a college lecturer who worked on Maglevs in 80’s and he went into great detail about problems they had so much difficulty over coming.
The issue with the ATP were eventually resolved elsewhere and the Fiat’s (now Alstorm) Pendolino trains were a massive success and were exported worldwide.
I don’t know what part of the globe you reside in but the British government at the time in the 80’s were not particularly big fans of British Rail. They had a lot of motivation to rush it into service to justify so that it could fail. They never once considered that they could recoup the cost through foreign sales.
I like how the train wiper moving and the music that good 5:20
The best tilting technology sold around the world is Italian, the pendolino
Yes, that was based from the patents sold to them by the British....
@@Edd5hott79 Super Voyager uses APT tilt technology. Pendolino was developed independently. Britain currently has both running together on the same line.
LOL, no. It's TALGO pendular.
The 'motion sickness' was due to all the media/press reporters being out the night before on a typical British Piss Up.
If you drink 10 to 15+ pints of beer with added vodka etc... everything is still spinning the next day!
Reporter : "it's smooth, it's quiet, it's delightful..."
*The table : t tt t t t t t t t trtr t r r rrt*
*The spoons : ting ting tttr ting tr rrt ttting*
*The cups : If you don't drink me i will spill coffee on your shirt*
The reporter : " *IT'S NOICE* "
TALGO pendular system solved the tilting issue earlier (in the 40's) and without producing motion sickness.
The pendular system didn't really work as well, as it could be rather sudden on some curves, and also when straightening off could cause the carriages to sway a little
**APT: derails**
It's smooth, quiet, and a delightful experience
Do a video about the diesel train, the Intercity 125 that you mentioned at 8:00. Ironically it was built as a stop-gap until the APT was ready, but that never happened, and the diesel train has lasted over 40 years in service. There was a spin-off project from the APT, the Intercity 225.
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The Italian State Railways in 1974 built the ETR401 "Pendolino", that had a great tilting mechanism, then in 1988 the ETR450 series started the Milan-Rome regular service... And those last trains worked until 2018.
So maybe the BR were not so good at making those APT? 😂
Il Ferroviere There are such trains in service in Switzerland. The newest generations lean less into the curves than the Pendolino.
@ yeah, in fact the ETR610 that we in Italy use for Frecciargento services are the same as yours :D Still they have a tilting mechanism.
@@zilo2322 and because of that your trains are smaller than every other country, Italy included, because you had narrow tunnels, made for 1850's trains.
In the uk we also have a train called the pendolino. Its a class 390
I've actually been on the London ---> Glasgow train. Was there in Sept 2019. It was a nice ride with the new trains. Very comfortable.
Didn‘t Fiat come up with the first tilting mechanism for train cars in their ETR 400?
Yes they were also called Pendolinos too I think
FIAT acquired the technology from British Rail, the ETR400 emerged a decade or so later...
@@investorbloke False, the Pendolino was put in regular service in 1976 and didn't use British technology
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The pendolino System has been project by FIAT in 1970/71 with the prototype Etr Y 0160 -> in 1973/75 ETR 401 pendolino
Reminds me of the Acela Express for Amtrak, a high speed train for a old school network.At least Amtrak learned from this engines disaster.
Well, it is based on the actual TGV
my uncle pipkins was on the design team for the APT , he actually had one leg shorter than the other :-(
I remember seeing this train in one of the video documentaries that I had back in the 90', that come out with a magazine, back then I was a preteen and I really not understand the concept, but it was such a marvel, now more than twenty years later, is a failed concept.
It is incorrect. First italian tilting train was the 4 elements ETR.401 (ElettroTrenoRapido 400 numero 1, Fast Electric Train 400 series, train n.1) which began regular service in 1976, 5 years before APT.
Even full working prototype was earlier: Fiat ETR Y0160 was on track since 1969.
The british patents where used to improve the 1988's 450 series, which benefited from the experiences accumulated with the 401's service. The following 460 series, even improved and designed by Giugiaro was the exported one
Gotta love the people coming out of the woodwork to defend this thing as *actually* being *too* good and that being what made people throw up, and the other ones popping up with citations from Italian Wikipedia to assert that no actually it was great and it was entirely Italian from the start.
The tilt *was* too good, i.e. passengers had no sensation of traversing corners. Unfortunately, their eyes told a different story, hence the nausea. Reducing the amount of tilt solved the problem.
ETR 401 also called "pendolino" the tilted italian train enter into active service 1976, many years before, or i'm wrong?
They only made 1 of them for testing and modifying just like the APT-E. The APT-E was in service 1972-76 then sent to the NRM. Both britain and italy suffered from budget cuts and lack of political will even though they both had talented engineers and made advances. First active tilting train to go in proper 'comercial service' was the Canadians with the LRC. They made 21 of them plus another 10 for Amtrak. The ETR 450 was a combination of italian and british active tilt technology. Italians took it from there after that until sold to Alstom in 2000.
The reason people felt sick because most of them pigged out on free food and drink. Instead of blaming themselves they blamed the train.
Nobody:
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"It's smooth, it's quiet..."
Coffee on the verge of spilling: _you ain't see nothin yet_
Chris Sawyer's Locomotion taught me everything I need to know about this train
"It's smooth, it's quiet"
*shake shake shake shake shake*
Nice video as usual:
Can you also make a video about horten 229 or yb35/yb49?
Love you're vidios : D
Can you make one over the german ICE?
Beeing german myself I must say, that the TGV network is more remarkable/important than ICE
*your
@@lockettlv Ok
I traveled on this when I was 7. It was indeed a non-stop puking experience. The whole cabin smelled like puke with some people puking on the floor due to lack of barf bags. Couldn't wait to get out of the train.
Train: pulling 6G on corners
Passengers: am i a joke to you
As if EA made a train...
I like this video, although the reality of how rail was in the UK in the 1960s wasn't quite like that. It wasn't that people decided to stop using the train and so British Rail (the state rail operator) "tried to win them back". It was the result of government action. In the 1960s the then government decided that rail was an old technology which required a lot of upkeep and investment, so as a result of the Beeching Cuts hundreds of local stations and thousands of miles of track were abolished, and the money to upkeep them went into building new motorways and new airport terminals, as it was felt that was where local mass transit should be headed. As a result, thousands of people lost their local train station (through no choice of their own) and had to drive/use a bus or (for the more wealthy) catch an internal flight. It was only in the 1980s that the government of that time decided that rail travel was more useful than previously thought, and privatised most of it (also to raise capital), and ridership increased. But the local lines and stations were never restored. Today we have lots of different private rail operators with shiny new trains. None of them are any good and most of them are horribly overpriced, so anyone with half a brain just drives instead.
I used to travel on this from Glasgow to London in the 1980s and found it quieter than the conventional trains and I didn't have any problems with motion sickness or with food and drink. I was obviously one of only a few who completed positive-feedback questionnaires on those journeys. The big irony - paying for the Italian Pendolino tilting train on the same track using what was originally UK technology. The press criticised the tilting train from day one and the politicians and British Rail weren't really fully behind the plan. Shame!
You're wrong, this wasn't originally UK technology. We released our Pendolino in the same year, we developed it independently
For an italian: oh look an ETR 250 Pendolino, nothing to see here
The Dutch: Fyra? What Fyra?
Inspector: So whats its features?
Engineers: Oh its smooth, quiet and can lean!
Inspector: *throws up*
Engineers: Oh yeah it can also do that
6:28
"Smooth, it's quiet, and an altogether-delightful experience."
*VIOLENT SHAKING AND VIBRATING AND RATTLING*
I'm usually not into this kind of stuff but I've been digging your channel
Wtf we gave a project/idea to the Italians... and they did a better job.
FFS lads whats going on?!!?!
Not the first time...
As a Briton, we appreciate it when and you get your facts right about our history and this video is very well researched. Thank You.
Have you ever considered doing a video about the XB-70 valkyre?
James Morgan or the Tu-104,the first successful jetliner in the world.or the jet that he mentioned in the Tu-114 video,the Ilyushin Il-62.
@@พิตตินันท์จันทร์ศรี-ว5ฟ he alredy made a video about the TU-114
James Morgan But In the Tu-114 video,he mentioned that the Tu-114 was replaced by Il-62.
British engineering just seems so meh now. Gone are glorious days.
We're even buying our technology for the new Azuma from Japan - slowly all our manufacturing and engineering abilities are being outsourced:
english.kyodonews.net/news/2019/05/a186dc2a2749-hitachi-made-high-speed-train-unveiled-in-britain-before-launch.html
8:35: That's what I was just thinking even before I heard it being mentioned here: It's ambitious enough to simply make a modern train that will simply adapt itself to existing railroads so that no new railroads will have to be run just to accommodate the new trains, even without any increase in speeds.
This thing only had a £50million budget, the Morris Marina had twice that. How anyone can point fingers and blame them for taking too long and teething problems when they’ve been a crap budget is beyond me.
Brit here: our current train timetable is slightly slower on most main routes than in the early 1960s
It’s not a question of whether we should ever have had an empire, it’s just amazement we ever did
Alright, I don't give a damn about the pollution. Nothing beats illustrious steam locomotives.
I like all of your aerospace videos and I like that you've branched out a bit into marine and rail videos. I think some good rail-related topics to cover could include attempts to revive & revolutionize steam traction like the American ACE 3000 or British 5AT projects, the massive (in both size & failure) Baldwin Centipede, or, if you're looking for a success story, the EMD FT, the diesel-electric locomotive that ended steam.
I can vividly remember how my dad had to run to the restroom to puke on our first pendolino ride, so I don't think they really got rid of the motion sickness problem lol
In Switzerland we have a train that bends into turns like this, it's the Pendolino. Its very comfortable and the only ones to get sick in there are sick in any train no matter which one.. I love to take this train for my commute trip
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No I ride a lot of trains in Germany and Switzerland and only ICN and ICE-T make me sick.
Never have felt sick on a regular IC or ICE.
I am far from the only one and every conductor knows about it, mostly the give you the advice to sit in the middle of the trains.
As soon as I see a mustard notification 😏
Excellent technology with quality level of research had put in the entirely new concept of rail technology ...simply amazing !!!
Fun sidestory: before the new Pendolino (brand name), Germany had dieseldriven tilting trains, developed in the 80s and built between 1990 and 1992, official name DB-610, but nicknamed and in Germany known as 'Pendolino'. They used the Fiat built tilting system with a gyroscope.
They made 20 of them and they ran successfully from 1992 until 2014 on older tracks. They were actually very comortable, not that noisy and no motion sickness. In 2017 they were offered for sale, but besides 2 for museum usage there were no takers and scrapping started in 2019. All besides the 2 museum pieces have been scrapped now.
So I guess you could say the originally British developed and licensed system (with some changes by the Italians) did end up running successfully for over 2 decades. Just not in Britain.