I'm so glad the judge is allowing the public to view the case and allowing transparency. This is obviously a very high profile case and the entire country is invested in how the trial goes and the outcome. Without transparency, it would leave heavy speculation on the part of the public.
Yes, I think Federal cases ought to to be able to have cameras as well. Right now, I am especially interested in the SBF trial with "Sammy" himself on the stand~~~!! We watched him squirm both physically and mentally in his frequent interviews post FTX collapse; it would be most interesting to see what he does in a court of law. Same with the federal cases around DJT. I do think years ago, that cases like the OJ case were affected by the use of cameras but now-a-days everybody is used to it and all these damned lawyers go on TV all the time anyway. One person made a good argument regarding that really, today - 2023 - transparency really does include video since CTV's are everywhere in our society ~ we cannot escape them ~ so why should court be any different since the law requires trial transparency for the benefit of the accused.
LoL 😂😂 he's a bit behind with the legal rulings and complications, eventually he's going to see this frame up of BK, prosecution has tried to bulldozer their way past legal procedures... It's going to backfire
LoL 😂😂 he's a bit behind with the legal rulings and complications, eventually he's going to see this frame up of BK, prosecution has tried to bulldozer their way past legal procedures... It's going to backfire
I'm still not completely sold that he did this alone. And the behavior of the surviving roommates who were texting each other instead of getting out and calling 911,is weird to me.
I was just commenting to my wife a few days ago that this case was supposed to get underway in October and we hadn't heard anything about it. Now, finally here it is. I hope justice is done.
Well you didn’t hear anything because there WAS a Gag Order so nobody hears anything!!:) Now we will DEFINITELY be getting information because the cameras are permitted in the courtroom:) Justice will be SERVED for these for these 3 beautiful young ladies and this handsome young man🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@young@1939 YES that he IS innocent And that finally the "friends" of our "D..gs Lords" from Idaho!!!!!! And stop !!!! Let be Bryan is the patsy for the corruption there!!!!! Im from Europe and WE are discusted if this innocent man would send to death By a firering squad!!! Sorry but then the murders from the 4 ohhh sooo good kids by stabbing ... sorry is nothing! America seems to life in some cases still in Medivial times! Stay strong Bryan!!!!!! i HOPE that all the evidence who groups of people of UA-cam HAVE found and then u wont look your precious students so innocent NOT anymore!!!!!
@@paranormal_358 @young@1939 YES that he IS innocent And that finally the "friends" of our "D..gs Lords" from Idaho!!!!!! And stop !!!! Let be Bryan is the patsy for the corruption there!!!!! And the patsy for this Dr g house where the Blodies and the dark one ..... where biiiiig on selling them ! So precious and GOOD kids arent they??? No! Im from Europe and WE are discusted !!!!! if this innocent man would send to death By a firering squad!!! America seems to life in some cases still in Medivial times! Stay strong Bryan!!!!!! i HOPE that all the evidence who groups of people of UA-cam HAVE found and then u wont look your precious students NOT so innocent anymore!!!!!
@@paranormal_358There have been many commentators that were giving a possible start to the trial as November 1st. Then there are a few that speculated January as a start date. That could possibly be where he heard his info.
Truly hope they televise this.. We all want to see justice being served for the four souls.. & for their families. One year anniversary is coming up soon.💔
Thank you so much Jesse for breaking this up, I'm a medical worker and law is not my field. You are making it so easy to understand and very interesting to listen 👍
Logically, it doesn't really make any sense that a Grand Jury held to decide if there is enough evidence to warrant a trial should be "beyond a reasonable doubt" ... THAT'S what a full blown official trial is for. The standard to indict in a preliminary hearing is also not "beyond a reasonable doubt". Only a true trial to convict or not must hold the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt".
@@mattwatson But listen to what the prosection says @10:38. If the defense takes that to the Idaho Supreme Court my bet is it will also be denied, based on what the prosecution said there.
So they know he is guilty and he is just trying to find fault with the law… how do these lawyers sleep at night. Stop trying to spin things. Let the facts and evidence play out.
They are no where nearer to the initial preliminary hearing than they were a year ago. The prosecutor's office seems to be simply overwhelmed and unable to forcefully respond to the defense's delaying tactics.
Thank you your honor for letting the world view this case. This case has broke hearts all across the world! I hope for a fair trial and for the truth to prevail
It's terrific that Judge Judge ruled to not throw out the Grand Jury's indictment of BK. It's wonderful that cameras will be in the court room with control by the Judge.
That judge can’t control the prosecution turning over discovery, what makes anyone think he’s going to control cameras? The judge was really forced to allow cameras, bc so many people were pushing it.
How much does this cost every time they waste time in court, it's getting ridiculous and there should be rules to stop them from continously filing motions!!!
Judge Judge, thank you for allowing cameras in YOUR courtroom for this particular case. Respect to you for making this ruling, allowing transparency in justice. The public trusts in you, thank you for trusting in us to reflect truth. Thank you for allowing us to gain knowledge and understanding in the process of the law. Thank you Judge Judge, we are grateful for the opportunity to support Kaylee, Madison, Ethan, and Xana as well as their families by being present for their trial from afar. May their families find peace during this difficult time.♥️
Very intellectual. He was hoping the judge would set him free right there and then . Probably cane up with the idea to dismiss the grand jury's indictment.
How do you work that out? I'd say prosecution has got zilch, PCA is rubbish, IGG is DODGY, where's the real proof?? Even six jurors are asking for additional information, why did they indict him if they had questions?? Boom 💥
@@DarkSparkIe exactly 💯, Maybe they're x-raying the walls and floors and using Luminol to pick up those bloody hand and foot prints and spatter..... defense doesn't have to prove anything, prosecution has to show the proof of Bk's guilt?? Thats gonna be hard
The decision by the judge was sound. ‘As a criminal court judge, I’m not going to suddenly go against common practice in the state of Idaho. Tell it to the Supreme Court.’
This creative idea of probable cause not being enough for trial certainly seems to come from someone who thinks he is smarter than the entire court system.
I think you could be right. Ann taylor looked noticeably uncomfortable and like she really didn't want to be there. She only looked at bk when he left. I think he creeps her out she knows he's guilty as sin
His defense is grasping at straws with their "creative" arguments and motions, fortunately none of them are going very far with this judge. I'm so so glad to know this case is going to be filmed, shared with the public! Good call, Your Honor!!
@@W1ZYYep, they are doing their jobs, and not just laying the grounds for appeal, but laying grounds too defend against ineffective assistance of counsel, which is usually filed after conviction in every jurisdiction in the country.
THANK GOODNESS x 3!!! Now lets' get this trial underway and give these families the ability to move on. My brother was murdered in his early 20's and to this day our family has not had an ability to move ahead. So IDAHO, let's get it moving!!
I guarantee you that Kohberger himself cooked that one up. A ruling to throw out the indictment would have undone decades worth of precedence in other murder cases, possibly leading to thousands of convictions thrown out.
I think this career academic defendant fancies himself as brilliant and has taken it upon himself to parse law without a degree and passed on his thoughts to his lawyers. Best of luck to him, both he and his lawyers are going to need it.
The defense is putting too much efforts to delay the inevitable trial. The four souls and their families need justice and closure to heal and find peace to move on.
@@45square this trial will take a long time and I believe we will have another trial after the first because of an appeal if convicted! For the Judge to deny all these motions they must have some very solid evidence he is guilty!
@@paulstevenson4873 I think the defense preparation is taking a long time because he has no legitimate defense, especially not for the DNA evidence! I agree with everything you said.
Yes, we need cameras. We don’t do secret trials! Tell the world exactly what he’s done and how those kids died a very painful death! I can’t stand these lawyers trying to get him off! Might as well just release everyone else who has been indicted!
how do you know he did it? I believe this guy was framed by Idaho police. The persons responsible for this are very dangerous powerful in that community.
7:49 Grudgingly I admit, it is a smart argument, however by that standard why not just call it a conviction, instead of criminal indictment, and skip the trial altogether. The purpose of a grand jury is to decide it there is enough evidence to warrant a trial not to determine guilt or innocence.
Easy to recognize the arrogance and audacity (psychopathy) of this animal thinking he's so brilliant that he's going to get away with viciously murdering four adults. He's never getting out of there. But the lawyers are going to make bank, that's for sure.
To force the court to use beyond a reasonable doubt as the indictment standard would mean trying every case twice.. the indictment process would have to involve all of the testimony and evidence from both sides with cross examination and expert witnesses…exactly like the trial.
Thank you for explaining what this was all about. I couldn't figure it out, and no one else was explaining it in layman's terms. I appreciate that you did this video.
Grand Jury standards are invariably quite a bit lower than those of the trial jury itself. The idea that in Idaho the grand jury has to meet the same standard as the trial jury is really quite absurd. To demand the grand jury’s standard be higher than that of the trial jury is absolutely insane!!! Who tf has ever argued that before!? His lawyer is a dunce…
It is absurd! If they were to throw out BKs grand jury for this reason that would mean that all grand jurys that used the probable cause standard in the past would have to be over turned too! Like the judge said it was a "creative" argument tho 😂
I know nothing about Law whatsoever, but have always wondered how it feels deeply inside for a defense attorney, try to save an obviously guilty person from justice?!
At the end of the day it's their job, that's all there is to it. You also get notoriety, a book deal, and a lot of money if you pull it off. Look at OJ Simpson case as a prime example.
I think these attys are to assure the law is followed, the client gets due process.....and make plea deals. Internally, they probably acknowledge the guilt.
Im shocked, i really didnt think they would allow cameras, im still expecting a twist, possibly what is shown and what isn’t! Hopefully im wrong as this case needs cameras to show the world nothing was covered up and they have the right man! Lets see
A grand jury needing proof beyond a reasonable doubt is essentially then the jury trial. What's the purpose in having a grand jury hearing *plus* an actual trial at that point?
I'll agree, the argument is certainly creative. But thankfully, the judge has a good head on his shoulders. And hes not gonna be swayed by a bunch of crafty loopholes. Even if they didn't get a grand jury indictment, they would have indicted him at the preliminary hearing. I'm not saying he's guilty however the evidence is overwhelming
@@michaelpower4372Pay attent to the video, he listed them clearly.. DNA, and GPS data is irrefutable, just needs to made "beyond a reasonable doubt." Literally just formality, and a narcissistic mentality to reach so far..
@@michaelpower4372how much more evidence did you need besides DNA? I do believe he had help in one way or another though. Those roommates behavior was super sketchy
I think 6 jurors saying no and wanting additional information and being denied says it all. Especially with the judge saying we should probably not state that. Things that make you go hmmm. 🧐
In ID, a grand jury is made up of 16-23 jurors. At least 16 (out of 23) grand jurors must be present for a vote, and a unanimous decision is not required. At least 12 members must concur to indict a defendant under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.
I’d say with the amount of evidence they have it’s looking like they have enough to look at and see “beyond a reasonable doubt” I am pretty sure this man did this and got caught covering his tracks!
A grand jury doesn't decide guilt or innocence it is saying there is probable cause to have a trial and let 12 jurors decide the guilt or innocence when they hear all the evidence. Their standard is beyond a reasonable doubt.
lmao. I suggest you go research Touch DNA and learn the difference between substantive DNA evidence and traditional DNA evidence. Touch DNA is everywhere for any reason, on dollars and coins. You have hundreds of touch DNA in your house.
This is a strong argument from the defense. In Oklahoma, the state prosecuted all cases. The McGirt argument came up. The statue says Native Americans who commit crime on Native American territory are to be tried in Native American courts, so even though the state had prosecuted all cases for 100’s of years, the Supreme Court ruled with statue law, because it had never been changed! So many cases have been thrown out and are having to be retried. I would much rather see this point argued at the highest level and let them make their decision before they prosecute him, possibly get a conviction, then have it overturned because of how the statue is written!!
The defense arguments just point to his guilt! The Grand Jury can't be held to that standard because ALL of the evidence is not presented to the Grand Jury. It's an indictment, not a trial.
I'm glad kohberger got new suits, a haircut and that they're treating him well there, it's only missing a rolex on his wrist, he's Looking like an important business man in a meeting on the thumbnail.
It's something to do with the way the jury views the defendant. They have a right to not be in jail garb, therefore not already looking like a guilty criminal as your first impression with the jury members. At least that's why they allow the suits, I'd assume haircuts are kinda part of that so they aren't forced to enter the trial looking like a mangy jail rat. Haha
I know there’s a gag order, but it seems like the prosecution only has touch DNA at a party house and a car similar to his in the area. Main thing that bugs me- there is ZERO cell phone evidence. His phone was OFF during the murders- THATS A LACK OF EVIDENCE NOT ACTUAL EVIDENCE. Just cuz he doesn’t have phone evidence to exonerate him doesn’t mean that in itself is evidence. It’s like using someone’s right to remain silent as evidence
They have tons of surveillance of his car. His PCA and other official court documents never once said it was Touch DNA, they said single source male DNA, not Touch DNA. Touch DNA notion comes solely from UA-cam not the courts in this case.
I am a law student in Uni (defense Lawyer). Haven't looked into this case for a few months now and regardless of whether he did or didn't do it later on down the line, provided it gets to that point. His defense actually have a strong point as there have been many cases of the wrong person being found guilty or being framed and the wrong person being given the death penalty!. It's happened, it still happens they have a point considering this is a potential death row case and when that is the case you have to be sure without a single shadow of a doubt that you have got your everything right and no mistakes. You do set the standards high when the sentence may be death because there's no coming back from that once it is already done.
I understand this argument, but truth to be told, there are cases and cases. This particular one raises no feasible explanation for there to be anyone else who could be guilty. Bryan had never taken his trash out with gloves before. Germophobes don't become that way from night to day. He was purposely disposing of his trash, gloved, in the neighbours trash cans. Pairing this with his dna being found in the knife sheath of the murder weapon, his very unusual travelling pattern at night, mysteriously turning off his phone for a couple hours (tell me which young adult turns their phone off for hours now a days? Ill tell you , the ones who dont want their location known) and I really don't know that many cases with so much consistency. He was vegan, 2 of the girls worked at one of the only nearby vegan restaurants. He had photos of mogen saved on his phone. Justice systems all over the world keep failing victims like these teenagers, we're so busy trying to protect the accused while meanwhile the real people who lost everything are 6 feet down. Robbed of such bright futures. Sometimes we can't prove beyond doubt, we gotta deal with that and accept the 80% for a common good. How many victims were left unavenged by the opposite situation? Yeah I mean Sometimes innocent people get the death penalty. But many more times cases go cold, unsolved, no action, even while knowing who the perpetrator is. Why are the accused lives more important? If this case goes unsolved while the answer is right in front of our noses , someone may do justice by their own hands. I'm telling you, if bryan puts their feet out of jail, he's done for. People know he did. Everyone knows he did it.
@@123carol321 seriously? There are a lot of others that had more motive and seem more suspicious than Bryan. This was a cover up and Bryan was framed. Trust me I’ve been following this case since it happened , have watched many sleuth videos and they do more digging up on it.
I do NOT believe that he is guilty. And IF, by some chance he is involved, he did NOT do this alone. I think that the town wants to stay "clean"...picked him for a Patsy... let's get them to talk about the house being a drug house etc etc etc etc etc there's SO much more to this and it also involves that University, police department and BOTH of their involvement and dirty work!!!!!!!!!!
False comment. The house is not a drug house. He doesn't know anyone there to do it with someone else. He's only there 4 months when the murders occurred.
Absolutely they have the wrong guy! I am a civil rights activist who works alongside many police officers. I live in a major west coast city. The majority of these officers think he is innocent. They don't mind speaking the case to a friend. I find it disgusting when I hear the evidence against him is so strong. No! So weak!
So a PhD Criminology major who studies crime scenes is just driving around a neighboring town in the early hours of the night while 4 unalivings are occurring? Also, his DNA is randomly found underneath the unalived body on a knife sheath in the house he was driving around at the time? Do you understand how ridiculous it sounds to consider him innocent? The circumstantial evidence is enough to see that he's guilty.
bryan pos kohberger gets treated decent gets a haircut all that while 4 young adults like me are dead. this world truly breaks my heart. people who dont get help are careless.
Judge John Judge, thank you for allowing us the right to view the case. Respectful decision.
I agree. I see no reason ever to not allow cameras unless the journalists start troubles
He wont be reading your comment. Meathead.
Yes!
So he should be "respected" for something he should be doing anyway?
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so glad the judge is allowing the public to view the case and allowing transparency. This is obviously a very high profile case and the entire country is invested in how the trial goes and the outcome. Without transparency, it would leave heavy speculation on the part of the public.
Yes, I think Federal cases ought to to be able to have cameras as well. Right now, I am especially interested in the SBF trial with "Sammy" himself on the stand~~~!! We watched him squirm both physically and mentally in his frequent interviews post FTX collapse; it would be most interesting to see what he does in a court of law. Same with the federal cases around DJT. I do think years ago, that cases like the OJ case were affected by the use of cameras but now-a-days everybody is used to it and all these damned lawyers go on TV all the time anyway. One person made a good argument regarding that really, today - 2023 - transparency really does include video since CTV's are everywhere in our society ~ we cannot escape them ~ so why should court be any different since the law requires trial transparency for the benefit of the accused.
the entire country is invested lol, you speak for me?
Facts
@@mikeroberts4015well your in the comment section and watching this video.. clearly your invested like us
Well said 👏
Dang this Judge is VERY good. Calm, decisive, and strong. Hes going to do a great job on this.
I was iffy about him in the very beginning but he really is a good hearted fair minded judge ! ❤
He has a wonderful demeanor about him, even when being tough. The sincerity still shines through.
He’s just a regular Judge dude you must be really bored with your life.
LoL 😂😂 he's a bit behind with the legal rulings and complications, eventually he's going to see this frame up of BK, prosecution has tried to bulldozer their way past legal procedures... It's going to backfire
LoL 😂😂 he's a bit behind with the legal rulings and complications, eventually he's going to see this frame up of BK, prosecution has tried to bulldozer their way past legal procedures... It's going to backfire
Justice needs to be served!
What
Justice for Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan!❤
I'm still not completely sold that he did this alone. And the behavior of the surviving roommates who were texting each other instead of getting out and calling 911,is weird to me.
Agreed!! Let’s hope they get the ALL right person/persons!!
(Not saying BK isn’t guilty! Also not saying he is!)
@@kheventplanner The jury will get the evidence and hopefully make a good decision.
I can’t believe how long it takes to bring this to trial.
Anything for that matter. Having done Municipal work one case in our district took 4 years.
Wait until this trial starts…
but once they get to trial, the trial goes pretty quick!
There’s so so much paperwork and signatures.. details omg
Because it needs to be done right, or he could walk
I was just commenting to my wife a few days ago that this case was supposed to get underway in October and we hadn't heard anything about it. Now, finally here it is. I hope justice is done.
Well you didn’t hear anything because there WAS a Gag Order so nobody hears anything!!:) Now we will DEFINITELY be getting information because the cameras are permitted in the courtroom:) Justice will be SERVED for these for these 3 beautiful young ladies and this handsome young man🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@young@1939 YES that he IS innocent
And that finally the "friends" of our "D..gs Lords" from Idaho!!!!!! And stop !!!! Let be Bryan is the patsy for the corruption there!!!!!
Im from Europe and WE are discusted if this innocent man would send to death
By a firering squad!!! Sorry but then the murders from the 4 ohhh sooo good kids by stabbing ... sorry is nothing!
America seems to life in some cases still in Medivial times!
Stay strong Bryan!!!!!!
i HOPE that all the evidence who groups of people of UA-cam HAVE found and then u wont look your precious students so innocent NOT anymore!!!!!
@@paranormal_358 @young@1939 YES that he IS innocent
And that finally the "friends" of our "D..gs Lords" from Idaho!!!!!! And stop !!!! Let be Bryan is the patsy for the corruption there!!!!! And the patsy for this Dr g house where the Blodies and the dark one ..... where biiiiig on selling them !
So precious and GOOD kids arent they??? No!
Im from Europe and WE are discusted !!!!!
if this innocent man would send to death
By a firering squad!!!
America seems to life in some cases still in Medivial times!
Stay strong Bryan!!!!!!
i HOPE that all the evidence who groups of people of UA-cam HAVE found and then u wont look your precious students NOT so innocent anymore!!!!!
@@paranormal_358There have been many commentators that were giving a possible start to the trial as November 1st. Then there are a few that speculated January as a start date. That could possibly be where he heard his info.
Unreal ", Gag order"!!!
Truly hope they televise this.. We all want to see justice being served for the four souls.. & for their families. One year anniversary is coming up soon.💔
They will. The judge decided to allow cameras in the courtroom.
watch the video, they will.
Someone who commented before watching the video 🙄.
Why are you not watching?
It seems like this has been a lot longer ago... Gosh.,
Thank you so much Jesse for breaking this up, I'm a medical worker and law is not my field. You are making it so easy to understand and very interesting to listen 👍
Logically, it doesn't really make any sense that a Grand Jury held to decide if there is enough evidence to warrant a trial should be "beyond a reasonable doubt" ... THAT'S what a full blown official trial is for. The standard to indict in a preliminary hearing is also not "beyond a reasonable doubt". Only a true trial to convict or not must hold the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Exactly!
Exactly
Then it should say that in the state statute
@@mattwatson But listen to what the prosection says @10:38. If the defense takes that to the Idaho Supreme Court my bet is it will also be denied, based on what the prosecution said there.
My thoughts as well
So they know he is guilty and he is just trying to find fault with the law… how do these lawyers sleep at night. Stop trying to spin things. Let the facts and evidence play out.
Well to be fair they are defense attorneys. Thats literally their job.
😂 lmao
Too many other suspicious people
BK is a patsy
Eh They’re doing their jobs. You wouldn’t want a justice system where your lawyers only fights hard for you if they think you’re innocent.
It's been nearly 1 year since these 4 kids were murdered. My heart breaks for their families.
They are no where nearer to the initial preliminary hearing than they were a year ago. The prosecutor's office seems to be simply overwhelmed
and unable to forcefully respond to the defense's delaying tactics.
Thank you Judge Judge….may justice be served!,⚖️
I was very pessimistic that cameras would be allowed. Thanks to Judge Judge.
Thank you your honor for letting the world view this case. This case has broke hearts all across the world! I hope for a fair trial and for the truth to prevail
The Defense gets discovery which gives them all the evidence. Love that the judge said defense motion was creative and then denied it.
First of all, thank you Judge, for letting us watch this proceedings hopefully justice will be served for these four families❤❤
It's terrific that Judge Judge ruled to not throw out the Grand Jury's indictment of BK. It's wonderful that cameras will be in the court room with control by the Judge.
He really had no choice bc he knows it’s going to the Idaho Supreme Court
That judge can’t control the prosecution turning over discovery, what makes anyone think he’s going to control cameras? The judge was really forced to allow cameras, bc so many people were pushing it.
Hopefully the Trump federal criminal trials are both televised as well
Innocent until proven guilty.
Just you wait. One day you'll know
@@wrandy593I think we know now hon. RIP those four young babes❤
Thank you judge judge. Your respecting my rights as a person from the public.
How much does this cost every time they waste time in court, it's getting ridiculous and there should be rules to stop them from continously filing motions!!!
I agree. They keep filing the same motions over and over wasting time and money.
Such a travesty!
I appreciate the fact that the judge is allowing this case to go forward because there is a lot of evidence against Bryan koleburger
Judge Judge, thank you for allowing cameras in YOUR courtroom for this particular case. Respect to you for making this ruling, allowing transparency in justice. The public trusts in you, thank you for trusting in us to reflect truth. Thank you for allowing us to gain knowledge and understanding in the process of the law. Thank you Judge Judge, we are grateful for the opportunity to support Kaylee, Madison, Ethan, and Xana as well as their families by being present for their trial from afar. May their families find peace during this difficult time.♥️
Look at Kohberger practicing his judicial-esque steepled fingers. He's trying so hard. 😂
inferior and is trying to hide it@@kate-pure
Very intellectual. He was hoping the judge would set him free right there and then . Probably cane up with the idea to dismiss the grand jury's indictment.
The longer it takes to go to trial, the more it exposes the defense is worried.
How do you work that out? I'd say prosecution has got zilch, PCA is rubbish, IGG is DODGY, where's the real proof?? Even six jurors are asking for additional information, why did they indict him if they had questions?? Boom 💥
Don't think defense is as worried as the prosecution
@@DarkSparkIe Yeah. They just sent toe FBI back into the crime scene after removing evidence and boarding it up.
@@DarkSparkIe exactly 💯, Maybe they're x-raying the walls and floors and using Luminol to pick up those bloody hand and foot prints and spatter..... defense doesn't have to prove anything, prosecution has to show the proof of Bk's guilt?? Thats gonna be hard
The FBI has to know this was cartel and not him.
If that is the standard for an indictment, then why have a full blown trial if indicted? Just go straight to sentencing. Ridiculous!
The decision by the judge was sound. ‘As a criminal court judge, I’m not going to suddenly go against common practice in the state of Idaho. Tell it to the Supreme Court.’
I also think the defense is bitter because they did go to the grand jury they really wanted that preliminary hearing to see all of the evidence
They have all the evidence all ready.
Very well explained. Thank you Jessee
It was
Thank you so much !!!! This is great coverage
Accused murderer wants the case to go away? Imagine that…
This creative idea of probable cause not being enough for trial certainly seems to come from someone who thinks he is smarter than the entire court system.
I think you could be right. Ann taylor looked noticeably uncomfortable and like she really didn't want to be there. She only looked at bk when he left. I think he creeps her out she knows he's guilty as sin
His defense is grasping at straws with their "creative" arguments and motions, fortunately none of them are going very far with this judge. I'm so so glad to know this case is going to be filmed, shared with the public! Good call, Your Honor!!
They're laying grounds for an appeal.
@@W1ZYYep, they are doing their jobs, and not just laying the grounds for appeal, but laying grounds too defend against ineffective assistance of counsel, which is usually filed after conviction in every jurisdiction in the country.
Justice for Kylie, Madie, Zana, and Ethan. RIP Beautiful souls, deep condolences to their family and friends. 💔
If you're trying to get the case thrown out on a technicality... It's usually a sign you know you're screwed and grasping at straws
casey anthony....anything is possible my friend.
Six grand jury members said not enough evidence hmmm
nailed it
Nope. That is all.
lol Not at all. So many big cases have been thrown out on a technicality.
THANK GOODNESS x 3!!! Now lets' get this trial underway and give these families the ability to move on. My brother was murdered in his early 20's and to this day our family has not had an ability to move ahead. So IDAHO, let's get it moving!!
Well many things there is really wrong in Moskow Idaho. So much has been unveilled. Not in a good way.
Sorry to hear about your brother.
I'm sorry for your loss. My brother was also murdered on Thanksgiving 2012 and it's still so raw and fresh 😰
You assume a conviction?
So sorry for your loss
GUILTY!!!
Not until proven.
Wouldn't bet against it though.
NOT GUILTY
@@mimi-422😑😑😑🤦♀️
@WalpNacht what now?
Kohbergr will take a plea to drop the death penalty he knows hes going down hes playing the system right now@@mimi-422
the fact that defense is grasping at straws makes me believe that he's guilty AF.
6 grand jury members felt there was not enough evidence and asked to see more
Kohberger alibi that he was "driving around" between 3 and 5:30am that morning😂
@@mikejohnson9960 Interesting.
Thanks for the quick break down, Jesse!
you are welcome.
I’m glad they allowed the cameras so far. Allows for transparency for all. Good job Judge Judge
The simple fact his parents an siblings are not openly backing him tells a lot that know he did it
where are you getting this info?
@@DJWhylafihya it was told in the mida after his sisters got fired
@@ZorroFox-do9oebc the media knows everything and is truthful.
@@ZorroFox-do9oe what's the mida? i don't know much about law stuff
Is that your evidence for putting someone to death? His parents aren't on TV proclaiming his innocence?
I guarantee you that Kohberger himself cooked that one up. A ruling to throw out the indictment would have undone decades worth of precedence in other murder cases, possibly leading to thousands of convictions thrown out.
He must think he is so smart!
I think this career academic defendant fancies himself as brilliant and has taken it upon himself to parse law without a degree and passed on his thoughts to his lawyers. Best of luck to him, both he and his lawyers are going to need it.
The defense is putting too much efforts to delay the inevitable trial. The four souls and their families need justice and closure to heal and find peace to move on.
Or maybe laying the groundwork so he doesn’t have a valid appeal.
@@45squarethis will have no bearing on his appeals if convicted because he will receive the DP an that alone comes with multiple Mandatory appeals!!
@@paulstevenson4873 they could take the death penalty off the table at the last minute. Ok, so it’s one less thing he could bring up for appeal.
@@45square this trial will take a long time and I believe we will have another trial after the first because of an appeal if convicted! For the Judge to deny all these motions they must have some very solid evidence he is guilty!
@@paulstevenson4873 I think the defense preparation is taking a long time because he has no legitimate defense, especially not for the DNA evidence! I agree with everything you said.
BK looks like a Frankenstein monster. He literally looks like a psycho killer, suit or not.
Would it change your opinion of him if he looked like George Clooney?
Yes, we need cameras. We don’t do secret trials! Tell the world exactly what he’s done and how those kids died a very painful death! I can’t stand these lawyers trying to get him off! Might as well just release everyone else who has been indicted!
Inocent till proved guilty bk is inocent God is in this case prayer is the answer inocent is bk
how do you know he did it? I believe this guy was framed by Idaho police. The persons responsible for this are very dangerous powerful in that community.
7:49 Grudgingly I admit, it is a smart argument, however by that standard why not just call it a conviction, instead of criminal indictment, and skip the trial altogether. The purpose of a grand jury is to decide it there is enough evidence to warrant a trial not to determine guilt or innocence.
In my view if you are trying to get a case kicked on this type of technicality then its basically a Hail Mary on the defenses part.
Easy to recognize the arrogance and audacity (psychopathy) of this animal thinking he's so brilliant that he's going to get away with viciously murdering four adults. He's never getting out of there. But the lawyers are going to make bank, that's for sure.
His lawyers are appointed by the State.
Wants the case to just go away or wants his rights upheld???
THE CASE AND THIS GUY NEEDS TO GO AWAY!!!
@@rodneyallgood9598I agree! They need to drop the case against him and find the real perps!
@@estrella5935 THANK’S ESTRELLA!!! PEACE.
If Bryan doesn’t go to jail for life without parole or death penalty justice is a joke
Good thing you're not on the jury.
Are you serious he is not the killer why is he still in jail?
To force the court to use beyond a reasonable doubt as the indictment standard would mean trying every case twice.. the indictment process would have to involve all of the testimony and evidence from both sides with cross examination and expert witnesses…exactly like the trial.
Correct. That's what the defense has pointed out by citing the 19th century "law".
Thank you for explaining what this was all about. I couldn't figure it out, and no one else was explaining it in layman's terms. I appreciate that you did this video.
Grand Jury standards are invariably quite a bit lower than those of the trial jury itself. The idea that in Idaho the grand jury has to meet the same standard as the trial jury is really quite absurd. To demand the grand jury’s standard be higher than that of the trial jury is absolutely insane!!! Who tf has ever argued that before!? His lawyer is a dunce…
How did they pass the Bar exam?
It is absurd! If they were to throw out BKs grand jury for this reason that would mean that all grand jurys that used the probable cause standard in the past would have to be over turned too! Like the judge said it was a "creative" argument tho 😂
So did you study law no
You're correct!
@@Pllm30 it’s quite clear you didn’t
So in other words he’s not getting out 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I know nothing about Law whatsoever, but have always wondered how it feels deeply inside for a defense attorney, try to save an obviously guilty person from justice?!
At the end of the day it's their job, that's all there is to it. You also get notoriety, a book deal, and a lot of money if you pull it off. Look at OJ Simpson case as a prime example.
Obviously ...
I think these attys are to assure the law is followed, the client gets due process.....and make plea deals. Internally, they probably acknowledge the guilt.
How do you know he's absolutely guilty? I don't recall the trial beginning yet.
@@blakkat4126 pat has a "feeling" about it ...
Im shocked, i really didnt think they would allow cameras, im still expecting a twist, possibly what is shown and what isn’t! Hopefully im wrong as this case needs cameras to show the world nothing was covered up and they have the right man! Lets see
At the very least the Moscow police department should be under scrutiny for publicly announcing “there no public danger” weeks before he was arrested.
@@stroodleboots5360 bryan is innocent though, will be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in this case.
Brian is guilty though
@@kievbound9146 😂😂😂😂
@@retro000 who is brian, it is bryan ffs
A grand jury needing proof beyond a reasonable doubt is essentially then the jury trial. What's the purpose in having a grand jury hearing *plus* an actual trial at that point?
waste of tax payers money babe xxx
I'll agree, the argument is certainly creative. But thankfully, the judge has a good head on his shoulders. And hes not gonna be swayed by a bunch of crafty loopholes. Even if they didn't get a grand jury indictment, they would have indicted him at the preliminary hearing. I'm not saying he's guilty however the evidence is overwhelming
Exactly! I agree!
What evidence is overwhelming.?? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️show us the over whelming evidence. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@michaelpower4372Pay attent to the video, he listed them clearly.. DNA, and GPS data is irrefutable, just needs to made "beyond a reasonable doubt." Literally just formality, and a narcissistic mentality to reach so far..
@@michaelpower4372how much more evidence did you need besides DNA? I do believe he had help in one way or another though. Those roommates behavior was super sketchy
@@Addictedtocollecting01just get off this app your an embarrassment
If the grand jury had to determine evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, why even have a trial??
EXACTLY
I think 6 jurors saying no and wanting additional information and being denied says it all. Especially with the judge saying we should probably not state that.
Things that make you go hmmm. 🧐
In ID, a grand jury is made up of 16-23 jurors.
At least 16 (out of 23) grand jurors must be present for a vote, and a unanimous decision is not required. At least 12 members must concur to indict a defendant under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.
@@dianealarcon8304 so are you stating that 6 wanting more information does not matter?
Additional information could mean anything not just evidence. They probably wanted additional information on the roommates and 911 calls.
@@Pllm30 it was enough for them to say no to the indictment.
@@WHIT10E I thought all of that was secret. Where did you get they said no?
I’d say with the amount of evidence they have it’s looking like they have enough to look at and see “beyond a reasonable doubt” I am pretty sure this man did this and got caught covering his tracks!
Thank you for your comments, which disqualify you from serving as a juror in this case.
Funny how when defense doesn’t have a leg to stand on, they go so far as to make crap up!
They've been making things up.
You're listening to us.We want to hear these arguments. Thanks
Very professional , high quality , great close ups
of the guilty party.
A grand jury doesn't decide guilt or innocence it is saying there is probable cause to have a trial and let 12 jurors decide the guilt or innocence when they hear all the evidence. Their standard is beyond a reasonable doubt.
Not in Idaho.
Justice must prevail but not for what people want to believe... for Facts.
Pretty reasonable considering his DNA was on the sheath
Facts 💯
Lol 😂
lmao. I suggest you go research Touch DNA and learn the difference between substantive DNA evidence and traditional DNA evidence. Touch DNA is everywhere for any reason, on dollars and coins. You have hundreds of touch DNA in your house.
Trying to get out of a murder conviction by loophole instead of evidence
Love it Jessie, awesome and fascinating!! I'm a law need, that was cool!! Merci
This is a strong argument from the defense. In Oklahoma, the state prosecuted all cases. The McGirt argument came up. The statue says Native Americans who commit crime on Native American territory are to be tried in Native American courts, so even though the state had prosecuted all cases for 100’s of years, the Supreme Court ruled with statue law, because it had never been changed! So many cases have been thrown out and are having to be retried. I would much rather see this point argued at the highest level and let them make their decision before they prosecute him, possibly get a conviction, then have it overturned because of how the statue is written!!
The defense arguments just point to his guilt! The Grand Jury can't be held to that standard because ALL of the evidence is not presented to the Grand Jury. It's an indictment, not a trial.
Held to what standard? Probable cause? You're funny
Right!! Exactly!!
How do you know?
I thought this long ago. When you listen to the motions, you pick up that he's guilty.
@@Pllm30 I just can't be convinced he is guilty
When the judge called it creative 🤣
Evil always find a loophole to not be accountable!
So why are prosecution finding loopholes not to hand over doc to defence.
I have heard they handed over everything they have. What is true? How do we know they havent?
If he is guilty, he is guilty.
The truth is the truth, the whole, full, real truth, the accurate actual truth. Justice.
If he is not, he is not.
Oh
If milk is milk, then it’s milk.
If milk is not milk, then it is not milk.
That’s not what I heard
dismiss the case?!?!? that is laughable!
LOL
That look and his eyes sends shivers down my body scary
Truly a monster robot 🤖
I'm glad kohberger got new suits, a haircut and that they're treating him well there, it's only missing a rolex on his wrist, he's Looking like an important business man in a meeting on the thumbnail.
He looks like Bundy
It's something to do with the way the jury views the defendant. They have a right to not be in jail garb, therefore not already looking like a guilty criminal as your first impression with the jury members. At least that's why they allow the suits, I'd assume haircuts are kinda part of that so they aren't forced to enter the trial looking like a mangy jail rat. Haha
Too bad he's on trial for unaliving four innocent victims. The look means nothing. Especially when he's facing the DP.
I think they switched out his suit jacket because the sleeves were about 6” too short.
@@RLFinTX I remember seeing that. He looked ridiculous a few months ago where the sleeves were way too short. 😂
I know there’s a gag order, but it seems like the prosecution only has touch DNA at a party house and a car similar to his in the area.
Main thing that bugs me- there is ZERO cell phone evidence. His phone was OFF during the murders- THATS A LACK OF EVIDENCE NOT ACTUAL EVIDENCE. Just cuz he doesn’t have phone evidence to exonerate him doesn’t mean that in itself is evidence. It’s like using someone’s right to remain silent as evidence
They have tons of surveillance of his car. His PCA and other official court documents never once said it was Touch DNA, they said single source male DNA, not Touch DNA. Touch DNA notion comes solely from UA-cam not the courts in this case.
Sorry to say, but Bryan is getting ineffective counsel. I would file that on appeal If I were him.
I am a law student in Uni (defense Lawyer). Haven't looked into this case for a few months now and regardless of whether he did or didn't do it later on down the line, provided it gets to that point. His defense actually have a strong point as there have been many cases of the wrong person being found guilty or being framed and the wrong person being given the death penalty!. It's happened, it still happens they have a point considering this is a potential death row case and when that is the case you have to be sure without a single shadow of a doubt that you have got your everything right and no mistakes. You do set the standards high when the sentence may be death because there's no coming back from that once it is already done.
THANKYOU
I am appalled at in the many comments that MANY ALREADY HAVE HIM GUILTY
I understand this argument, but truth to be told, there are cases and cases. This particular one raises no feasible explanation for there to be anyone else who could be guilty. Bryan had never taken his trash out with gloves before. Germophobes don't become that way from night to day. He was purposely disposing of his trash, gloved, in the neighbours trash cans. Pairing this with his dna being found in the knife sheath of the murder weapon, his very unusual travelling pattern at night, mysteriously turning off his phone for a couple hours (tell me which young adult turns their phone off for hours now a days? Ill tell you , the ones who dont want their location known) and I really don't know that many cases with so much consistency. He was vegan, 2 of the girls worked at one of the only nearby vegan restaurants. He had photos of mogen saved on his phone. Justice systems all over the world keep failing victims like these teenagers, we're so busy trying to protect the accused while meanwhile the real people who lost everything are 6 feet down. Robbed of such bright futures. Sometimes we can't prove beyond doubt, we gotta deal with that and accept the 80% for a common good. How many victims were left unavenged by the opposite situation? Yeah I mean Sometimes innocent people get the death penalty. But many more times cases go cold, unsolved, no action, even while knowing who the perpetrator is. Why are the accused lives more important? If this case goes unsolved while the answer is right in front of our noses , someone may do justice by their own hands. I'm telling you, if bryan puts their feet out of jail, he's done for. People know he did. Everyone knows he did it.
@@123carol321 seriously? There are a lot of others that had more motive and seem more suspicious than Bryan. This was a cover up and Bryan was framed. Trust me I’ve been following this case since it happened , have watched many sleuth videos and they do more digging up on it.
best law and crime channel out there
I do NOT believe that he is guilty. And IF, by some chance he is involved, he did NOT do this alone. I think that the town wants to stay "clean"...picked him for a Patsy... let's get them to talk about the house being a drug house etc etc etc etc etc there's SO much more to this and it also involves that University, police department and BOTH of their involvement and dirty work!!!!!!!!!!
False comment. The house is not a drug house. He doesn't know anyone there to do it with someone else. He's only there 4 months when the murders occurred.
He wants it to go away? It won't, as he created this event that he wants to go away 👎🤨👎.
"have some dignity" *immediately zooms in on face 💀
I like judge Judge
They must really be thinking they are going to lose if they are trying odd stuff like this
@@glorydays6442how do you know
I think Kohberger is innocent. I think they got the wrong guy.
Absolutely they have the wrong guy! I am a civil rights activist who works alongside many police officers. I live in a major west coast city. The majority of these officers think he is innocent. They don't mind speaking the case to a friend. I find it disgusting when I hear the evidence against him is so strong. No! So weak!
So a PhD Criminology major who studies crime scenes is just driving around a neighboring town in the early hours of the night while 4 unalivings are occurring? Also, his DNA is randomly found underneath the unalived body on a knife sheath in the house he was driving around at the time?
Do you understand how ridiculous it sounds to consider him innocent? The circumstantial evidence is enough to see that he's guilty.
@@allisonjames3024 yeah, there were people who fooled themselves into believing Bundy was innocent too. Nothing new here
These sound like delay tactics a bit on the part of the defense
when is his trial scheduled to begin? ?
I feel like Brian Kohberger is trying to get out of taking accountability for this. I'm glad he's going to trial. Justice must be served
I feel like he’s fighting for his life. We are not the same
I need to see evidence
@@JanzZone yes
@@JanzZone the defense are having trouble getting certain evidence that was used to bully the grand jury, so yep be nice for them to show their lie.
@bombfirst_ink I think we are gonna see a whole lot dont worry.
Great reporting Jess thank you 🙏
Trying to dismiss murder?? Wow, now I've heard it all !!!!
bryan pos kohberger gets treated decent gets a haircut all that while 4 young adults like me are dead. this world truly breaks my heart. people who dont get help are careless.
“People accused of murder getting haircuts hurts my feelings”
You’re not very bright and it shows
"Innocent until proven guilty" that's how we do in America.
@@stroodleboots5360and made it about them too. “People like me” smh
Bk creeps me out 😳
@@kate-pure calm down karen
Doesn't make him guilty though.
Look at Bryans face says… I’m gone!
He knows he will go down!
If that is the Idaho statue? Then what's the sense for a trail?
I believe he did it
Well, I don't believe he did.
@@itzhexen0Me neither!!
@@dylanelizabeth7712 Planted by LE.
He did it
@@itzhexen0
@@dylanelizabeth7712 how do you explain a sheath and no knife to go with it?
Please
Let there be no misunderstanding here.
Koberger is going to get the needle!
The defense argument is a stretch at best.
8:08 LOL dude said "in the year of our Lord twenty and twenty-three. Literally meme'ing in front of the judge.
What if the prosecution is protecting witness?