It's not a reason not to learn Zod though, it will still be used, likely will be update in the future to be even lighter, and considering Valibot is modular, you need to know what you're going to use, hence becoming quite a bit of a headache to use it, because you're likely not to remember everything you need to import, needing to go back and fourth importing things. With Zod you don't have such problem.
Dave Gray on May 26: "You need ZOD" Dave Two months Later: "Good bye ZOD" 😂😂... A tiny "meme-shove" from your very much loving follower of your channel, an admirer of ur comprehensive content and professional delivery. you are a true teacher and deserve a billion followers. If only people stopped watching "learning 'x' in 'y' minutes" videos and started learning from you... Thanks for all the content your creating Buddy.
Your video was truly engaging, even though it's about new technology I'm not familiar with yet. I found it surprisingly amusing and watched it till the end. I must admit, I'm not sure how ZOD works, let alone Valibot, but your content keeps me coming back for more. I look forward to understanding it all one day. Thank you for creating such entertaining and informative videos. Keep up the fantastic work! 🙂
It's that time of the week again! Stop using X for Y because [insert speed/size] when X works great for years and most people are on high-speed internet 😅
Most people? Are you sure? Most of the world is poor and hence, have poor internet connection. Not only that, most part of the traffic is mobile, which connections tend to be even slower.
@AmodeusR poor or not even mobile internet is much faster, most got access to high speed at low prices. Looking at the world Latin America got 73% coverage of at least 1 mb/s at the lowest prices. And that data was from 2 years ago. And we talking about extra bytes here doubt it makes much of a difference
@@AmodeusR yea exactly... even most people in the US dont have high-speed internet let alone the world. Fibre or even 5G is still have a long way to be implemented almost everywhere.
@AmodeusR Also during the covid times many countries and companies spend tons of money on their internet infrastructure speed and availability 🚀 in the last 2 years
Saw this on twitter a while back, definitely a nice improvement. Would love to convert some projects, but needing a resolver for react hook form. Hoping to see it soon! 🎉
Also started switching first schemas over to valibot especially cause I use most of them on the client as well where bundle Size makes a big difference 🎉 also like the ergonomics
I embrace the evolution, but the downsize is in the real world now you need to know at least three different tools only for schema validation: yup, zod, valibot. Luckily they don't ask this types of questions in interviews, yet.
Totally, I wish TypeScript would let me to configure 'string', 'number' and 'boolean' native types before use like valibot lets me import specific runtime types. I don't need all the TS type system, c'mon just numbers and strings!!! Seriously tho, we need better tree shaking. It's entirely possible to tree shake classes and modules with a capible compiler....just right click a class function and select "Find all References", if none are returned, cull it. I don't understand why one would resort to piece meal imports when a capable tool could just tree shake. Surely barrel importing Valibot would be the typical usage, in which case.....whats been achieved over Zod?
Hi How can I use zod in frontend and backend MEVN . I deployed both separately in vercel So I can't access zod schema in production . Can I use mono repo for that problem ?
Considering Valibot is modular, you need to know what you're going to use, becoming quite a bit of a headache to use it, because you're likely not to remember everything you need to import, hence needing to go back and fourth... I don't really like that. A good workaround should happen in the build time removing unnecessary code/functions.
That is another possibility. Valibot seems to mirror TS as closely as possible which removes much of the guessing concerning imports.. at least for me.
That's right. However, it only works in practice if you, as the developer, provide additional information that the bundler can use to remove the code. However, as far as I know, no current JavaScript bundler supports this yet. A compromise is to use Valibot with a wildcard import. It is also important to note that suggesting object properties is not a JavaScript feature, but tooling in your editor. Means that we can get almost the same development experience in the future with e.g. an extension for VS code. I will write more about this in my bachelor thesis, which I will publish in a month or so.
For server side data validation I prefer class-validator. Its much cleaner and very much powerful what i think. I never heard about class-validator from you. Can you please make a tut about node, express, mongodb and typescript rest api. Thank you, Dave.
So your video title says Stop Using Zod and then later you mention in your video that you haven't even used the library yet in any of your projects. The clickbait title can get some views but reduces the presenter's credibility.
Me just start using zod 😂😂😂
It's not a reason not to learn Zod though, it will still be used, likely will be update in the future to be even lighter, and considering Valibot is modular, you need to know what you're going to use, hence becoming quite a bit of a headache to use it, because you're likely not to remember everything you need to import, needing to go back and fourth importing things. With Zod you don't have such problem.
@@AmodeusR 💪 ofc man I'm always learning and ofc zod is the most popular one
Continue use it becuase the library around it
That's how web development works these days. 😭
@@0xtz_ same i just used it in a project xd
Hey Dave, thank you for featuring Valibot on your channel! 🤖
You're welcome! Great work Fabian! 🚀
Dave Gray on May 26: "You need ZOD"
Dave Two months Later: "Good bye ZOD"
😂😂... A tiny "meme-shove" from your very much loving follower of your channel, an admirer of ur comprehensive content and professional delivery. you are a true teacher and deserve a billion followers.
If only people stopped watching "learning 'x' in 'y' minutes" videos and started learning from you... Thanks for all the content your creating Buddy.
Your video was truly engaging, even though it's about new technology I'm not familiar with yet. I found it surprisingly amusing and watched it till the end. I must admit, I'm not sure how ZOD works, let alone Valibot, but your content keeps me coming back for more. I look forward to understanding it all one day. Thank you for creating such entertaining and informative videos. Keep up the fantastic work! 🙂
for frontend, sure! but build sizes mean next to nothing in the backend, plus fastify has integrations with zod for schemas that work perfectly.
Yeah this is brand new so it does not have any of the adoption yet. Give it a little time and we will see.
Thank you, Dave! I should give it a try!
It's that time of the week again! Stop using X for Y because [insert speed/size] when X works great for years and most people are on high-speed internet 😅
I agree - we see this take a lot here on YT. Not usually from me though. I really like Zod, but Valibot is impressive.
Most people? Are you sure? Most of the world is poor and hence, have poor internet connection. Not only that, most part of the traffic is mobile, which connections tend to be even slower.
@AmodeusR poor or not even mobile internet is much faster, most got access to high speed at low prices. Looking at the world Latin America got 73% coverage of at least 1 mb/s at the lowest prices. And that data was from 2 years ago. And we talking about extra bytes here doubt it makes much of a difference
@@AmodeusR yea exactly... even most people in the US dont have high-speed internet let alone the world. Fibre or even 5G is still have a long way to be implemented almost everywhere.
@AmodeusR Also during the covid times many countries and companies spend tons of money on their internet infrastructure speed and availability 🚀 in the last 2 years
Saw this on twitter a while back, definitely a nice improvement. Would love to convert some projects, but needing a resolver for react hook form. Hoping to see it soon! 🎉
Agreed - very early stages now, but I think we will see that in the future.
The creator is a German Web Developer which has a lot of great projects and very optimized
It does make me wonder why Zod isn't modular
Not sure either but this seems like an improvement
@@DaveGrayTeachesCodeabsolutely, thanks for bringing it to our attention
Also started switching first schemas over to valibot especially cause I use most of them on the client as well where bundle Size makes a big difference 🎉 also like the ergonomics
Nice overview; I would note though that "1x smaller" is zero, so 10x smaller? (Yes, yes, I know what you mean.)
Dont care about bundle size of just 20kb extra
Fair enough but he did a great job. I'm looking forward to the support for this library continuing to grow.
would you be willing to make a recoil video for state management?
Interesting. Thanks.
You're welcome
And you great content.
I embrace the evolution, but the downsize is in the real world now you need to know at least three different tools only for schema validation: yup, zod, valibot. Luckily they don't ask this types of questions in interviews, yet.
Totally, I wish TypeScript would let me to configure 'string', 'number' and 'boolean' native types before use like valibot lets me import specific runtime types. I don't need all the TS type system, c'mon just numbers and strings!!!
Seriously tho, we need better tree shaking. It's entirely possible to tree shake classes and modules with a capible compiler....just right click a class function and select "Find all References", if none are returned, cull it. I don't understand why one would resort to piece meal imports when a capable tool could just tree shake. Surely barrel importing Valibot would be the typical usage, in which case.....whats been achieved over Zod?
Is it works with react-hook-form? Thank you.
me who was about to learn zod 😂😂
Zod is still good and worth learning - but it is good to know about new alternatives, too! Valibot is a great choice!
modularization looks good, and I think only people that have used Zod can only experience the real benefits of Valibot over it. @@DaveGrayTeachesCode
Should i first repeat javascript to learn Typescript?
I don't know about "repeating" but you should _know_ JavaScript to learn TypeScript.
Hi How can I use zod in frontend and backend MEVN . I deployed both separately in vercel So I can't access zod schema in production . Can I use mono repo for that problem ?
Yes, I mono repo would be good.
Hi, Yup is a good library too ?
Yes, nearly as many weekly downloads as Zod on npmjs.com
I don't even know what Zod is. Is it similar to joi?
zod.dev/
Considering Valibot is modular, you need to know what you're going to use, becoming quite a bit of a headache to use it, because you're likely not to remember everything you need to import, hence needing to go back and fourth... I don't really like that. A good workaround should happen in the build time removing unnecessary code/functions.
A very good point.
That is another possibility. Valibot seems to mirror TS as closely as possible which removes much of the guessing concerning imports.. at least for me.
That's right. However, it only works in practice if you, as the developer, provide additional information that the bundler can use to remove the code. However, as far as I know, no current JavaScript bundler supports this yet. A compromise is to use Valibot with a wildcard import.
It is also important to note that suggesting object properties is not a JavaScript feature, but tooling in your editor. Means that we can get almost the same development experience in the future with e.g. an extension for VS code.
I will write more about this in my bachelor thesis, which I will publish in a month or so.
For server side data validation I prefer class-validator. Its much cleaner and very much powerful what i think. I never heard about class-validator from you. Can you please make a tut about node, express, mongodb and typescript rest api. Thank you, Dave.
class-validator was not develop to be faster nor small. And the project is not being well maintained anymore.
Dave, how does it fair with react hook form?
Does not work with react hook form yet.
This was just released so I don't think it has a resolver for that yet. Looks like the author is adding more support daily.
@@cryptoboy1461 Thanks
@@DaveGrayTeachesCode Thanks
superman for general zod.
Indeed
So General Zod its time for your retirement
I just started using zod😂
Me just stated refactoring project with zod 😂
buen video
So your video title says Stop Using Zod and then later you mention in your video that you haven't even used the library yet in any of your projects. The clickbait title can get some views but reduces the presenter's credibility.
Please make a tutorial on Svelte 😊 ,...... 🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
Why do you need a tutorial? They have an excellent tutorial on their website, plus the docs are very helpful.