1972 The Rescue Of BAT 21 Bravo From North Vietnam | DCS Reenactment
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My father was a KC-135 pilot and took part in this operation.
Dude that's awesome!
can't kick ass without tanker gas! ⛽
My uncle flew F-100's in Vietnam. Earned a Silver Star on a mission where he and his wingman where called in for close air support on a Marine platoon surrounded by much larger VC battalion +. When He told the ground troops he could no see who was friendly and was worried he would drop ordinance on US Marines He was told "doesn't mater, where all dead in 10 minutes if you don't het them (enemy) anyway". After expending all bombs etc he continued strafing passes until out of amo despite multiple hits on aircraft. He then continued to buz the enemy with below treetop passes until he was low on fuel and had to return home. This allowed for the US troops to withdraw to safety ..... afterward there was found >200 KIA largely due to the 2 F-100s.
Danger Close, Broken Arrow, Prairie Fire, Avalanche....all code phrases that can typically mean "position overrun, drop on here", depending on the briefing.
There's a reason Snake and Nape was the load out of choice for CAS back then.
Danger Close means that the friendly position is within the explosive radius of either bombs or artillery and the friendly position is close to being overrun. Watch the movie Danger Close about the Battle of Long Tan.
The real rescue mission involved Thuds, Double Uglies, Weasels, Stratobladers; to tank up the fast movers, HC-130H Combat King CSAR Tanker, and Command and Control platforms to coordinate the pick up attempts, Sandies to provide close cover, and escort of the choppers; HH-53 Super Jollies, along with OV-10As, and EC-121 Discoes.
I've read they even used B-52s.
Don’t forget the lone Seal and his south Vietnamese friend traveling by canoe lol
@@daltonallan7221 I was only listing the various aircraft involved in the BAT-21 Rescue, and I'm not forgetting the sacrifice that one SEAL Platoon made, alongside their South Vietnamese counterparts, Dalton.
In Vietnam the term WAS broken arrow for calling in fire on your own pos.
I just thought of something else.
Probably the more effective aircraft for direct ground support was the A 1 Skyraider.
Two A1 Skyraiders from the
1St Speical Operations Squadron Sandy 7 , piloted by Capt. David Morse and his wingman Sandy 8, heard
Hambletons call over Guard, immediately vectored to his location and loitored over him giving ground support until out of ordnance and stayed making mock runs at the enemy to keep them busy and also spotting targets for the fast movers and other air assets ,thus keeping Hambleton safe so he could rendezvous with the real Hero in this rescue,U.S. Navy Seal
Thomas Norris and South Vietnamese Seal Petty Officer
Nguyen Van Kiet who infiltrated deep into enemy territory by a small sampan upriver to the rendezvous point where they located and rescued Hambleton ,at times just yards from ground troops on the both banks of the river, at times under small arms fire.
This rescue was and is one of the most bold , dangerous and costly rescue attempts in American history .
There is SO much more to this story than just the air portion.
No doubt everyone involved did an amazing, nearly impossible thing and are held in high regard for thier unselfish bravery.
Thanks Reapers for doing this mission , things like this need to be remembered along with the brave soldiers, sailors and airmen who risked everything to save one American serviceman in the face of impossible odds.
Their motto,
That Others May Live.
I think maybe Sunday Funday needs to be changed to Sunday Bombing Practice Day.
Platoon. "expend all remaing on my pos." great vid gang!
I was on the ground under the trees with the 1st Cav in 1966-67. Damn this is depressing. But good work, Cap and friends. I love your videos. Thanks.
Did you get SCARED 😱 Lmfao
If there's an A-7 module in DCS, try with that plane. It was in service with both USAF and USN squadrons at the time, and carried 2x bombs with similar loiter time at ground level. Plus, was designed as a bomb truck, while the Hun was designed as a supersonic interceptor.
"Broken Arrow" has different meaning for Army and AF. Army meant " Position was Over Run"....
At least according to the movie; "We Were Soldiers", with Mel Gibson. Thanks GR.
My dad was an EWO on an EB-66. I'd love to see you do this with the A-1 and F-100 modules
Cant wait for the skyraider and phantom, so you guys can re-enact more of the vietnam war
The "Thud" was the F-105 Thunderchief
A little advice from a former quote professional end quote --
"Bad smoke, Ignore it," wastes way too much time. Just adjust point of impact from the mark.
The call is:
You this is me (Fastmover callsign, FAC callsign)
IP (designated before first fastmover comes in/preferably before anyone takes off -- example/ summit of Hill 5447 designated as IP 3-Alpha)
Heading & Offset (from IP to target)
Distance (from IP)
Target elevation (altitude msl)
Target description (tanks receive different love than troops in the open)
Grid (or Lat/Long)
Marking (white smoke, green starburst, laser, dancing girls, etc)
Friendly pos (ordinance should fall parallel to the good guys, never over their heads)
Egress heading (don't wanna have them exit in Anaheim where some Mickey Mouse with an SA can ruin your fast mover's vacation)
Fast movers run a racetrack high-low-high
FACs control traffic and come off line while Fast movers roll through.
You were not horrible, but airborne FAC is like sex with a marble statue: it's f_@#!ng hard! 😆
I asked you for this video a few weeks a go. You said you had already done it but I couldn't find it. Thank you for making it.
I meant to say that I was planning to make it.
And, see, all the fun isn't a gang fight at angels high. Good mission work..... also, a suggestion on making marking runs .... when you egress, stay low enough to cut the lawn, zig zag....then do a zooming climbing turn to reverse your run back to the contact area. (it's not always a charming idea to do that right over the hot spot) IF you are clawing air right after a marking, the target you present to the ground enemy almost becomes stationary ... and you are expending lots of energy to fly off doing that. Very interesting to watch. And yes, it is a hard mission to pull off. Ya' done good. PS: your call sign for those mission types is SANDY plus designator. SANDY 1 or whatever.
Love that the F-100 are in CTANG livery! Both my dad (who worked on the CTANG F-100s) and I served in the CTANG! (I served 1982-1989 when the 103rd TFG had A-10s). Good times!
Props full forward for takeoff, Cap. That’s why it was slower. Full forward on short final as well.
Still hope for the AC47, A6 and E6 and have a proper Vietnam campaign
Working in pairs, where one plane smokes the target and the trailing plane bombs the target would greatly enhance your ability to eliminate the baddies.
Isn't this the story where they used the length of the holes from The Masters golf course to guide him to safety?
I believe it was a golf course from a base
It was various courses. Back in the day, damn near every base and post had a full courses. So they used a patter like “13th hole at Beale.” Or “3rd hole at Anderson.” It was a bit of a feat.
Indeed it is. The book, BAT-21, is an excellent read.
And when they say Tucson National, they are talking about the course at Davis-Monthan.
Connecticut Air National Guard livery. Nice. They and the 104th in Westfield Mass transitioned to the A-10 the year I was born :D. Must have been so cool to see Huns flying over Western Mass/CT. One of the only flying Huns came to the Westfield Airshow a few years ago, I got to see it. So cool. Love the Hun
Those A10's used to run low right over hill behind my house in Rockville CT, literally saw rivets a few times they went over and you could smell the exhaust hanging in the trees. Pretty cool to see them fly at treetop level.
@@OneRoundDown yup, totally awesome.
F100's try doing a rudder wag when you fire rockets gives more area coverage on your attack line.
It’s a great day! Read that book years ago.. BAT 21
Awesome film, great reenactment, well done GR! Who’s done the F100 mod?
VSN
While the F-100 was used for a lot of CAS missions, I can find no evidence that it was used to rescue BAT21. The aircraft used for CAS were predominantly A-1 Skyraiders and F-4 Phantoms, although some A-4 Skyhawks were used at one point.
I think the F-100 was the only thing they had available to simulate with. Could be wrong.
@@ziggystardink9389 There is the Community A-4 available that is quite good.
As far as I know, the F-100 Super Sabre that they're using in this video is also a mod, as are the OV-10 Broncos.
There is an official F-100 Super Sabre and an official A-1 Skyraider coming. It would be interesting to see GR repeat this with Skyraiders when that aircraft becomes available.
A-7 was also known as SLUFF and A-4 Also known as Scooter. RB
Nice one. Historical note about a point made by Matrix. The Viet Cong were largely destroyed after the 1968 Tet Offensive (a huge propaganda victory, but a Pyrrhic victory in military terms). By 1970 the Vietcong were essentially eliminated and areas that were too dangerous for US and South Vietnamese forces in 1968 were safe by 1970. This is one reason US forces withdrew. The end of the Vietnamese War was in 1975 was made by North Vietnamese regular army (PAVN) forces (who had failed in a regular invasion some years earlier). The US and South Vietnamese 'won' against the Vietcong, and with the US withdrawal it was South Vietnam that years later against PAVN forces (after the US Democratic Party abrogated a treaty with South Vietnam promising to replace damaged equipment - a clear signal to the PAVN that the US would not oppose the communist invasion). Not a lot of people know the structure of the Vietnam War and Hollywood always portrays it as an eternal 1968. It's much more interesting than that. Thanks to all the Vietnam vets out there.
Thanks mr dust sucker!
excellent use of the Bronco! Glad to see these missions now that we have some of the right airplanes. (Need to redo this when the "real" F-100 comes out. The VSN mod is great, but the cockpit is just a bit too modern).
"Danger Close" is the term you are looking for Super Cap!
thx
Super cool mission idea!! DO another one for Hamburger hill where you have to smoke all the enemy troops on the mountain so that the soldiers can climb to the top...
Guys, if you try it next time, keep the huns fast. Above 350kn it does perform a lot better. Simba liked it more with extended flaps, because the added lift worked against the drag-due-to-alpha, which is a lot in slow speeds. Keep it fast, don't pull to much AoA and don't get below 350 ;-) But great reenactment anyway👍
Hello valued content creator!
Great video, very entertaining, thx Cap and the gang.
What a cool scenery and textures🤩
Cap Next time maybe try some wild weasle type tactics, Have violet follow you and drop smoke where the tracers are coming from. this will allow more smoke to be dropped on more platoons. then the huns can split up hit more targets in one run. great sortie. way cool
Can't wait to see you guys try your hands at the A-1 Skyraider. Maybe do a light-CAS competition between the O-10, A-1, A-29, P47, Pampa, etc?
With a very non-expert hat on, I think the spotters could have made things easier - instead of marking the position of the target, a smoke rocket before and after the target would give the strike birds a better idea of where to aim.
I think the aircraft that may be best suited for taking out the baddies would be an AC-47 or "Puff the Magic Dragon," which was fitted with 7.62 mm miniguns. The AC-47 carried 54,000 rounds of ammo
Broken arrow refers to a nuclear incident that does not cause contamination or nuclear warfare
Loved this. I know it's not realistic but I'd like to see Frogfoot doing the attack runs. It's a bomb truck, "BoomBoom for everybody!"
Nice, I read the book back in the 90's I think :)
Cap listening to the audiobook of Dan Hampton called The Hunter Killers. In his book he describes exactly how the NVA used the optical method of guiding missles in without the fansong radars. It's a great listen and talks all about THUD pilots and the book mainly focus's on the job of the "wild weasles" and i would love to see a F105 mission by the reapers hunting SA-2 Sites. Sidenote: the book actually gets the politics of the era dead on too.... a rare thing when everything is political now.
Thanks!
These platoons never played Wow. Stopping when they have a big marker on them instead of of running.
Thank you for honoring the real event.
I enjoyed the struggles. Huey MVP, no question.
The MVPs were the Vietcong
This was great, I'd love to see a redo of this or similar mission.
We need a real map for this stuff! We're getting the Sini, we must get a Vietnam. I really love those reenactments, especially for cult like BAT21.
Wow, the spotters were insane adrenaline junkies, pure bravery
You realize this is a game? Lmfao
Is there not a Cobra to send in with the Huey. It is probity model in DCS correctly but I had a friend who was a waist gunner on a huey. He told me there was a big difference when they arrived on scene with and without Cobras. He told me that without everyone on ground turned and shot at the Hueys. When they realized there were Cobras with them they turned and ran.
Violet was the true MVP in this
My bad it was the F-105 thunder chief 😁😁😁😁 that were called thuds
F-4s with Snake and Nape! lol
I thought the only survivor of that downed EW aircraft was named Gene Hackman
Yup, my bad.
The F-100's were called thuds
My biological father flew O-2 Skymaster's in Vietnam. He was shot down 7 times before they gave him a medical release.
Do the white phosphorus rockets have any effect on personnel? In reality, WP is an incendiary, which burns when exposed to air (WP is used in napalm bombs. They put some in the napalm. When the 'bomb' breaks open, the phosphorous ignites itself and the napalm)
They have an awesome effect on personel
Willy Peter, make you a believer.
No effect in game.
man the the OB-10 is a cool as F mod!
I want a Bronco
Definitely seems that the rockets fragmentation isn't accurately modelled, at least for the size of the bang that's set off
Pretty much needed direct hits which was just impossible.
I bet those B-52s launched from Guam. I probably saw them take off.
Have yall ever done anything with the OV-1D Mohawk?? I worked with them in Korea.
Not yet.
Y'all should've waited till the A-1 H sky Raider comes out in a few months to do this mission
Would love a B-66/ A-3 FF module in DCS, preferably the Destroyer;)
Danger Close
It’s Broken Arrow
You guys need to read a book called Sock It To Em Baby by a bloke called Gary Cooper who was a RAAF FAC on exchange with US Airforce in Vietnam. These missions are awesome. I am getting a full DCS setup up as soon as the Skyraider and F105 are on DCS
That’s a stupid name for a book. What do they do? Go around with Babies putting socks on people?
Instead of concentrating on the enemy to the north, a corridor should have been made in the south west to allow the Huey to get to its target and get the hell out.
The Huns were so bad at accurate bombing that they used Napalm instead. Pity it is not modelled.
Um the Hun was a damn fine ship and she was also a damn find ww.
The North Vietnamese were desperately trying to catch him as Hambleton had top secret access of Strategic Air Command, expert in SAM Countermeasures and I'm sure the Russians would have feel like they won the lottery if he was captured.
Was it the A-1 that was "Sandy B", the CAS plane that bombed Cole Virgil Cole in flight of the intruder? I'd vote to see this scenario played out again with a Sandy B alternate (if the A-1 isn't a mod that I'm forgetting exists).
"Sandy" was, I believe, the A-1 Skyraider prop plane. So named because one of them returned from a mission not only shot full of holes, but with soil ground into it's belly, as if it had skimmed the sand trying to dodge hostile fire.
Blue, it was a Sandy who bombed Cole, who was mortally wounded and had a ZSU-23 parked right next to him that had to be put out of action.
read up what the seal's were doing during all this , i think its a better story than the rescue , they dropped multiple seal teams in to try to reach him and they got mauled pretty bad
Very interesting episode - I now understand why the US could not win that war. Here the NVA ran around in the open instead of getting away from the smoke into the trees.
I wonder what the damage would have been if the OV-10's were committed to a CAS mission with heavy gun runs along with 2.75 rockets?
If a F-100 is a "Hun", flying alone in it makes it a "Hun Solo"? (I swear I'll only do 1 pun per season.)
Hello, Cap. I have a question. Is it possible to shutdown engine of other aircraft while being on other plane that goes burner to that's plane intake? I know it probably won't modelled in DCS, but who knows.
Tried it and has not effect. Also countermeasuring into planes' intakes has no effect.
Bad, but thanks for info
Wouldn't it make more sense to use the Marianas map? Because jungles...
Agree but was already hard enough out in the open TBH.
Question? while putting down smoke does the OV10 have guns it could also fire. Might hit a few by accident and lighten the plane as well. I am sure I am wrong.
In game it can fire both at the same time. I do that in FAC missions, align, strafe and them send a rocket to mark.
hello dear gr i am new to this game and i cant place any planes do i have to download them or what? and if i click on loadout the game crashes
You keep bringing new reasons to play dcs.....Black and cyber days can't come quick enough
gotta focus on flying the plane first, then focus on the battle second. So many videos result in failure because of unnecessary crashes. Need to take your time and gain airspeed after strafing the target. Also all strafing runs should be pre-planned and everyone should know what everyone else will be doing before the mission begins, making it up as you go is never a good plan
I'd love to know what the huey looked like when it got back to base. The engine had to been hit, gearbox leaking, maybe one of the pilots was hit but still she got the job done???
Which mod for the F-100 were you guys using?
can you make a video .. of how to install that new F-100 jet
Are the Sabres burning coal ?!
lol, caught in god mode
Will the Sabre “dance”?
Probably better with a lot of Broncos since F-100 isn't a WWII Jug. Don't forget OV-10 has 4 machine guns, which are as deadly as smoke. Kidding, far deadlier. Shoot every time.
Sounds like a job for the Sandy's
Ah yes “Bat 21”.
I can't see the platoon either....
Seems like there should have been more splash damage……
agree
Would it have been better to use AC130s for this type of mission?
yes
Seems you should have just given the munitions to the Broncos. Or munitions and smoke. They were slow enough to see the targets and stay engaged for longer.
Yup, with hineight should have given proper rockets to Broncos.
why no door gunners? was SAR not Medevac
Broken Arrow was used for drop everything on/around me - was repurposed later on for the lost nuke etc
I thought that was "prairy fire"
@@dampsok i believe that was a term used for spec ops forces being on the on the run (I assume like prairie dogs running away from a fire? lol)
You guys used the wrong ordinance should’ve used napalm along with the rockets
Super sabres???? What kind of black magic is this?
I know right!
Hahahaha 🤣 the old unit ov 10 can diving low as high trees Don't forgot jungles not forest. I see it some time tv Mindanao war in Philippines 😊
looks like it would have been better all ov10 with rockets and guns.
Use a AC130 if there is one in DCS ?
yup
@@grimreapers Well it was around and ideal for your purposes Sir ...Let the Spooky let rip . And don't forget the F-5 was around as well .
Would have been better if everyone went with guns and rockets