I will have the weapon progression spreadsheet uploaded soon but I need to go sleep since I'm up at 6am for work. I can paste a rough version here for the meantime. Phase 1: Starting Zone Rockjaw blade - dwarf and gnome - troggs Gladius - vendor Brushwood blade - nelf - druid of the claw Kobold Mining mallet - human - kobolds Solid metal club - human - bounty of murlocs Stone Gnoll hammer - human - gnolls Frostmane Club - Gnome/dwarf - trolls Stinging mace - Orc - skull rock quest Phase 2: 10-25 Level10ish Cutlas: Weapon Vendor Alliance - Solid shortblade - red silk bandanas - westfall Horde: Bonegrinding pestle - arugal’s folly - silverpine Engineer’s hammer - samophlange - barrens Level 18ish Alliance - Hardwood cudgel - mathystra relics - darkshore Horde - Elegant shortsword serena bloodfeather Level 24 ish Alliance - Phytoblade blisters on the land - wetlands Horde - at this point quest rewards become sparce so doing a dungeon might be a good options. But later on you might want to get the outlaw sabre. Phase 3: 25-40 Between levels 25 - 35 the quest rewards are sparse. So again a dungeon might a good options or you can juse power on. 35ish Ally: Ryedol’s hammer - a dwarf and his tools - badlands Horde: Sword of hammerfell - the real threat - arathi highlands Phase 4: 40-60 40ish Neutral - black water hammer - deep sea salvage - arathi highlands 45ish Neutral Zorbin mega slicer - zapped giants - feralas 50ish Thrash blade Horde Spirit of the fearie dragon - weapons of spirit ferlas Alliance - Gryphon rider’s stormhammer - saving sharpbeak - hinterlands 55+ Alliance tidecrest blade - remains of trey lightforge - felwood Horde - Belgrom’s hammer - betrayed - azhara
Can I just say at level 42 you get a better slice and dice with 30% speed increase, now you should be cheap shotting straight into a slice n dice, if there's two or more mobs add blade flurry and those mobs are down in seconds
Remorseless Attacks 2/2 is waaaay worse than starting with Improved Sinister Strike. For RA you have 40% CHANCE of crit; for ISS you get energy, thus more spells to cast/rotate.
"Slice and dice is only good for long fights" ya wot?! White damage does your most damage, slice and dice straight away and youll be killing stuff a lot quicker during leveling
By the time you get the combo points in slice and dice on a normal mob, you are better off to just use the damage attack vs speed buff since the mob will die before you get to use the speed buff for very long at all, and likely by the time you get to the next one that slice and dice buff will wear off. I'd just keep combo points till 3,4,5 then use Eviscerate at which time the mob will be pretty much dead. Slice and Dice would be good in longer fights that last more than one round of combo point building, most random things you find won't.
Your spec is mostly good but could be optimized. Improved Gouge isn’t useful with swords/maces, whereas Dodge is better for face-tanking. Improved Sprint reduces downtime and speeds up leveling, while Relentless Strikes offers better energy regen than 1 point in Poisons. Garrote is a better opener than Cheap Shot for non-casters, and Slice and Dice with Expose Armor boosts auto attack damage versus high-armour enemies. Rupture works well against tough enemies since it bypasses armour. Also to note that if you are fighting a few enemies at once, blade flurry, evasion and slice and dice are godly with sinister strikes. Improved Eviscerate is solid, but Improved Expose Armor is great for fighting elites or rogue-tanking in dungeons.
Just so you are aware. A faster off hand does not mean faster poison application, poison is controlled and limited by a Proc Per Minute system (PPM), a common misconception is that a faster off hand applies poison faster therefore increasing DPS, this is not always true.
Try applying instant poison to both weapons, go dps something for 5 minutes and see how many stacks you have left on each weapon. Instant poison is not on ppm.
Me 2 im not sure if i need to stick to daggers, which weapon to wear in which hand cause that make a difference apparently And also how i can switch from dagger to sword if thats better cause i only can fist,bow,dagger for now. Retail wow is already complicated but wow classic is atleast chilled Well its a game of 2004 it has to be chill
Id swap gauge for 3 points into evasion. A stun is already a stun no need it to be longer imho. Also i would take 1 point from Murder and poision from assasination tree and i would put them into Combat endurance = also much more sustain and you can combo it now pretty well with flurry on cooldown to pull massive AOE. At least i had good experience with that build and it profits more than 1% murder dmg
izidor You want as much time from gouge as you can get. It can give you time to stealth and start with full combo... So its actually pretty strong, but go for what you think is best and important
Your talent choices in the assassination tree are terrible. Ruthlessness and Relentless strikes are amazing talents. The fact you skipped over them completely tells me you don't know a damn thing about rogues and to not trust anything you say about rogues there after.
Don't go weapon expertise. Expertise only helps you hit mobs higher levels than you where you glance which you never will be doing while leveling? Unless that talent works different than other weapon skills it's useless.
Drop all shit talents in assa except malice/isnd and take 11 point in sub - mod, camo and gs. Better stealth with lower cd and faster movement will save you a lot more time than small dps increase. Gs is great defensive cd, which also save a lot of downtime. Snd still useful, just use it with 1-2 points on fight start. Keep crippling poison on oh, dps loss is minimal, but a lot safer when you handle runners or being ganked. Make a macro: /cast [stealth] Pick Pocket /cast Ghostly Strike /cast Riposte /cast Sinister Strike and just spam it.
@@svenskerjoe Yeah, that's what I thought. He mentioned here that you have to time sinister strike between auto attacks. I've always gotten the best dps by just spamming it as much as possible.
I will have the weapon progression spreadsheet uploaded soon but I need to go sleep since I'm up at 6am for work.
I can paste a rough version here for the meantime.
Phase 1: Starting Zone
Rockjaw blade - dwarf and gnome - troggs
Gladius - vendor
Brushwood blade - nelf - druid of the claw
Kobold Mining mallet - human - kobolds
Solid metal club - human - bounty of murlocs
Stone Gnoll hammer - human - gnolls
Frostmane Club - Gnome/dwarf - trolls
Stinging mace - Orc - skull rock quest
Phase 2: 10-25
Level10ish
Cutlas: Weapon Vendor
Alliance - Solid shortblade - red silk bandanas - westfall
Horde: Bonegrinding pestle - arugal’s folly - silverpine
Engineer’s hammer - samophlange - barrens
Level 18ish
Alliance - Hardwood cudgel - mathystra relics - darkshore
Horde - Elegant shortsword serena bloodfeather
Level 24 ish
Alliance - Phytoblade blisters on the land - wetlands
Horde - at this point quest rewards become sparce so doing a dungeon might be a good options. But later on you might want to get the outlaw sabre.
Phase 3: 25-40
Between levels 25 - 35 the quest rewards are sparse. So again a dungeon might a good options or you can juse power on.
35ish
Ally: Ryedol’s hammer - a dwarf and his tools - badlands
Horde: Sword of hammerfell - the real threat - arathi highlands
Phase 4: 40-60
40ish
Neutral - black water hammer - deep sea salvage - arathi highlands
45ish
Neutral Zorbin mega slicer - zapped giants - feralas
50ish
Thrash blade
Horde Spirit of the fearie dragon - weapons of spirit ferlas
Alliance - Gryphon rider’s stormhammer - saving sharpbeak - hinterlands
55+
Alliance tidecrest blade - remains of trey lightforge - felwood
Horde - Belgrom’s hammer - betrayed - azhara
legend!
What's your day job? Or was during this video
@@GabrielShakkori probably working with my dad 3d scanning/land surverying if i was getting up so stupidly early haha
Relentless strikes in Assassination is a priority talent for every single build.
Not really, if you're using it to end fights which is what you're supposed to be doing it's pretty useless
Attack clipping is something I have never heard in any other video. So thanks allot for that tip!
Can I just say at level 42 you get a better slice and dice with 30% speed increase, now you should be cheap shotting straight into a slice n dice, if there's two or more mobs add blade flurry and those mobs are down in seconds
Smashed it mate! Really good guide
And how do you know that?
@@MrChipauketchup Because I've leveled a rogue to 60 and currently raid AQ40 every Weds :D Also helped MetaGoblin with some of the info in this vid!
evis-que-rate sounds so fancy for an action that literally opens a person like an old lady's purse
It's pronounced with a soft C, so Evis-erate. No hard C.
Залетел на огонек Твоего прикольного канала! MetaGoblin
на самом деле этот канал заслуживает бОльшего колтичества лайков
С наилучшими пожеланиями
Remorseless Attacks 2/2 is waaaay worse than starting with Improved Sinister Strike. For RA you have 40% CHANCE of crit; for ISS you get energy, thus more spells to cast/rotate.
Wrong
"Slice and dice is only good for long fights" ya wot?! White damage does your most damage, slice and dice straight away and youll be killing stuff a lot quicker during leveling
By the time you get the combo points in slice and dice on a normal mob, you are better off to just use the damage attack vs speed buff since the mob will die before you get to use the speed buff for very long at all, and likely by the time you get to the next one that slice and dice buff will wear off. I'd just keep combo points till 3,4,5 then use Eviscerate at which time the mob will be pretty much dead. Slice and Dice would be good in longer fights that last more than one round of combo point building, most random things you find won't.
@@hang-the-93 use snd asap with 1-2 points depends on mob difficulty
Yep. SnD 1cp is enough Most of the times
Your spec is mostly good but could be optimized. Improved Gouge isn’t useful with swords/maces, whereas Dodge is better for face-tanking. Improved Sprint reduces downtime and speeds up leveling, while Relentless Strikes offers better energy regen than 1 point in Poisons.
Garrote is a better opener than Cheap Shot for non-casters, and Slice and Dice with Expose Armor boosts auto attack damage versus high-armour enemies. Rupture works well against tough enemies since it bypasses armour. Also to note that if you are fighting a few enemies at once, blade flurry, evasion and slice and dice are godly with sinister strikes.
Improved Eviscerate is solid, but Improved Expose Armor is great for fighting elites or rogue-tanking in dungeons.
Isn't the majority of all rogue dmg, in general, from basic melee attacks? Shouldn't slice and dice always be prio?
if you have a Macro that auto attacks before your sinister strike do you still haev to worry about attack clipping?
Good cheeky advice
Love your videos. But I have to say it. Eviskerrrate! Lol. It's pronounced Evissserate. The C is silent.
Did you miss 'gounge', or are we ignoring it?
Omg i just heard 😂
Why is SnD unessecary, last time i played WoW sword+SnD and sinister was the abilities to use for fastes leveling
You kill one mob at a time. And the lower levels of s and d aren't good. Ergo waste of energy.
Why do i need to buy and train these while he's just clicking them like nothing?
Just so you are aware. A faster off hand does not mean faster poison application, poison is controlled and limited by a Proc Per Minute system (PPM), a common misconception is that a faster off hand applies poison faster therefore increasing DPS, this is not always true.
Instant poison is not on a PPM system in Vanilla. It has a 20% chance to proc on each hit. It was not changed to PPM until somewhere in Wrath.
Try applying instant poison to both weapons, go dps something for 5 minutes and see how many stacks you have left on each weapon. Instant poison is not on ppm.
Lol I really came here for the weapons progression dam
Me 2 im not sure if i need to stick to daggers, which weapon to wear in which hand cause that make a difference apparently
And also how i can switch from dagger to sword if thats better cause i only can fist,bow,dagger for now.
Retail wow is already complicated but wow classic is atleast chilled
Well its a game of 2004 it has to be chill
Wtf you skip relentless in Assassination?
good stuff
ty u for the guide
What is the song plays from the beginning?
Id swap gauge for 3 points into evasion. A stun is already a stun no need it to be longer imho.
Also i would take 1 point from Murder and poision from assasination tree and i would put them into Combat endurance = also much more sustain and you can combo it now pretty well with flurry on cooldown to pull massive AOE. At least i had good experience with that build and it profits more than 1% murder dmg
izidor You want as much time from gouge as you can get. It can give you time to stealth and start with full combo... So its actually pretty strong, but go for what you think is best and important
@@JA-zw9ju pvp wise ya but but for a "leveing guide" i see no reason to gauge.
@@izidor To bandage
Lmao pepega comment if I've ever seen one
You want more time in Gauge because each time you use Gauge on that target it get's diminishing returns for that stun.
Nice video!
Eviskerate
I'm super paranoid and always ruin my spec by investing in stealth early on. How far away can people see me if they are equal level?
Enough to stop you in time if they are expecting you to engage.
Not gonna lie I get tired of all these rogue guides telling you to basically spec like you're rping a furywarrior
Years later and I echo this sentiment. I want to be subtlety, and everything says lol get good go combat, when I don't like the play style at all.
@awful.products.4649 then pick what you want man it's a game lol
great vid! ty
I went 5 into improved slice and dice cause I'm on PvE server.
gl with that talents .. no poisons, no assassination talent. Its not leveling guide
Your talent choices in the assassination tree are terrible. Ruthlessness and Relentless strikes are amazing talents. The fact you skipped over them completely tells me you don't know a damn thing about rogues and to not trust anything you say about rogues there after.
Don't go weapon expertise. Expertise only helps you hit mobs higher levels than you where you glance which you never will be doing while leveling?
Unless that talent works different than other weapon skills it's useless.
Lol the only part I cared about, weapons, you cut 😂
Maaan you must hate your parents for naming you Metagoblin... :(
kek those talents
Drop all shit talents in assa except malice/isnd and take 11 point in sub - mod, camo and gs. Better stealth with lower cd and faster movement will save you a lot more time than small dps increase. Gs is great defensive cd, which also save a lot of downtime. Snd still useful, just use it with 1-2 points on fight start. Keep crippling poison on oh, dps loss is minimal, but a lot safer when you handle runners or being ganked. Make a macro:
/cast [stealth] Pick Pocket
/cast Ghostly Strike
/cast Riposte
/cast Sinister Strike
and just spam it.
Isn't it a myth that fast off-hand = more poison procs? I thought poisons are based on procs per minute?
Does Sinister Strike actually interrupt auto attacks? I never noticed that happening
DomSchu no, proc from sword spec can reset your swing timer. And sinister strike can proc the extra swing from sword spec.
@@svenskerjoe Yeah, that's what I thought. He mentioned here that you have to time sinister strike between auto attacks. I've always gotten the best dps by just spamming it as much as possible.
@@DomSchu that is correct, ignore the guide in that regard
Stack spirit? Roflcoptr
yet another low quality almost 0 effort "guide"...
The way you pronounce eviscerate hahaha 😂
Static damage bruh.
Eviskerate 😂😂
please reduce the bass in your voice recording, I have to turn my sub down every time i watch your vids :) thanks
lol wut kind of request is this. U want him to change his vocals so u dont have to turn a knob on ur sub. cant make this up
Joseph Carrizales hahaha bro wants him to use an EQ on his fucking voice recording? Can you master my album while you’re at it bro 😭😂
Skience 😂
Love how you stole the pannel idea from a number of other more respectdul youtubers.
I don't think any creator owns the legal wrights to the concept of a PowerPoint presentation lmao.