Not sure if you're trolling or not, but the concept of proper bracing is the same for every compound movement you'll ever do in the gym. Whether it's a squat, deadlift. OHP, farmers walk, yoke run, barbell row, power clean etc. etc. etc....the method used to create intra-abdominal pressure does not change.
this is one of the main reasons why I hated that YT removed the dislike button counts. People can upload terrible advises/tutorials without consequences.
It's a mixed bag. My channel was also dislike bombed when Alan Robert's and James Linker told all the athlean x fans to come trash my channel a couple years ago. So there's both good and bad to it being gone.
Honestly what gets me more about Jeff is his total lack of mobility. He's all about rehab/prehab ect. yet can't even do a decent squat or overhead press. Not that his mobility is THAT bad, but I'd expect more when shit like that is often used as an excuse for his lack of strength.
I am EXTREMELY fortunate that prior to being under the barbell as a novice, this whole ordeal about Jeff came out - I didn't know any better then, but I'm so lucky I know more now thanks to strength coaches like yourself
I wish I was you right now. I wasted my noob gains on AthleanX bullshit programs. I wish I had just lifted. I didn’t barbell squat at all my entire first year of training.
@@samdajellybeenie14 Dont worry man, you haven't literally lost the "newbie gains", once you train right and progressively overload right you'll still gain as much as "newbie gains" assuming you're not already an intermediate or elite lifter nowadays.
@@SadBheeseChurger Well a year and a half ago I decided to get drop AthleanX and do a Jeff Nippard program and it worked. I moved to Alan Thrall’s free program and that worked great and then I went to Johnnie Candito’s intermediate program and my squat e1RM was 290. So I’m pretty proud of that!
@@maalikfazal1406 probably to eat more. athlean-x is always talking about how jesse loves to eat gummi bears, and tries to keep jesse too lean. jesse would actually be *stronger* if he ate those gummi bears.
Theres another, and I would argue, equally important Athleanex teaching which Jesse ignorced in order to achieve 500 lbs. In the video Jesse claims to still have an 8-pack. Nevertheless, the video makes it pretty clear that the disciple has gone north of 10% body fat to get his strength gains.
@@gravemind6536 Have you watched much Athleanex? His whole one slice of carrot cake a year and maintain 7% body fat lifestyle and telling his fans to follow his example.
@@Abraham_Kist-Okazaki I know about his carrot cake thing and yeah he stays too lean year round its not even healthy for the body nor optimial for strength and muscle building. He is promoting an unsustainable way of living to his followers. Bodybuilders from amateur all the way to olympia have off season diets for a reason and they go as high as 15% bodyfat off season so even they understand being in single digit bodyfat year round is bad.
I remember seeing this video a few years back when I thought Jeff was the smartest guy in the universe, somehow after trying it once I knew it felt wrong and decided to keep squatting the way I was. I wasn’t doing an efficient valsalva but it still felt a lot stronger than sucking in my stomach before a rep
It'd be appreciated if you covered his pullup advice too. It was supposed to be a way to perform more pullups and had some stuff about tightening your whole core and stretching your legs out to account for "energy leaks" which I am starting to question. I do know a stiff body is easier to lift than a limp one but I feel like when I tried implementing that advice, I started doing fewer pullups, honestly.
In my personal experience, I don't think you should consciously squeeze every muscle in your body as tight as possible. This just leads to fatigue. Yes, having a strong core that prevents "energy leaks" matters, but this should come naturally as you progress
I can do 25 bodyweight pullups in a row and a 45 kg pullup for 4 to prove. It's dumb to try to flex your core and your legs and all this crap to " stop energy leaks " instead just do some direct ab work ( leg raises , ab rollout ) and it'll stop your "energy leaks ". Best way to get stronger is to just do more of them by adding weight , doing bodyweight AMRAP, and occasionally switching up the variation and getting stronger at it.
Minkisjng movement of the rest of your body will prevent energy leaks. But conscious tensing every muscle to keep them stiff will only lead to fatigue just for that. Maybe that’s why you’ve regressed
Tensing up is definitely fatiguing, but having your legs straight and taut in front of your body actually give you a nice ab workout while you do your pullups
Well I stand corrected, I thought it was fake, then again I didn't even try to find that particular video of his lift. Glad to know I have an influence on your content!
Assuming that Athlean-X primarily exists to provide the best training advice for athletes is as naive as believing that McDonalds exists in order to provide the best hamburgers on the planet. Athlean-X exists to make money for Jeff C. That is the bottom line. Accept his training advice at your own RISK.
I take a big breath in at the top of the squat bottom of the deadlift and the start of an OHP. The only one where it’s slightly different is the bench but I’m still inhaling air from my nose and then pushing the air out through my mouth as I move the weight.
I had to watch this video after seeing the title :D about 8-9 years ago I actually got close to injuring myself many times breathing out before the descent :(
I got a question maybe someone on here can answer it most because it's been something I've been curious about what about during AB training valsalva or breathe out haven't really been able to find a good answer?
I'm very lucky. Jeff, as probably a lot of people can relate, was one of the first fitness UA-cam channels I came across, however, in his early programs they were predominantly dumbbell based workouts, so I dodged a bullet, even if my body didn't after doing 3xfailure on everything lol. The fake weights actually helped my fitness journey, though, as I found all the legitimate S & C candidates as a result of him being called out. Yourself included Alec! Every cloud.
How do you manage the bracing when doing sets of 5+ reps? I find bracing after each rep is very fatiguing. The act of bracing multiple times seems to wear me out more than the actual lift.
I would recommend adding in deadbugs at the start of your sessions. Training to keep to the brace while being able to breath. Bracing is possible without breath, but not as affective. But I wouldn't recommend breathing out while moving through a heavy squat, as an example. Breath big, brace, reach the top, keep braced and breath in some more or let some air out while at the top, then squat again. But you do you my guy
would prefer it to remain. I would also prefer the Joel Seedman stuff he started with to also remain. The same for the impossible workouts that would probably hospitalize you if you followed them as prescribed. If we have him remove one such video, we have to ask, should he remove the others? If the answer is yes to the first question, then he most definitely should remove the other misinformation filled videos, and there might be a point when he would lose too much content he produced. To be very clear, I think it's best people see where he started and where he is now so they know who they're dealing with. And when nocebos become the Joel Seedmans in a few years when pain and injury science develops and spreads to more people (hopefully), and when training programming is better understood by people with more illuminating thoughts and research, he would have to take down at least 80% of his youtube content (certainly 95% or more of his "injury pReVeNtIoN" and "rEhAb" stuff). Not to mention Athlean-XX If he truly believes that old videos that he can now conclude are more harmful/useless than not should be removed, then he'll end up removing most of his content. This could be a slippery slope for him and his brand if he chooses to take down the breathe out video. But suppose he does remove it: it's acknowledging that he put out one of the most blatant examples of quackery in fitness history and was lambasted by the community to the point where he conceded. Just like the fake weight fraud saga, he just wouldn't do that because the narrative is that he is immune to criticism. And slippery slope again: eventually when training and pain/injury science develops and reaches the masses, we'll have more videos like the one from today looking back and saying how he practiced pseudoscience today and the past years - years when there has been plenty of good pain/injury and training info out there that he either chose not to look out of intellectual incompetence or deliberately ignored to build a brand off of clickbait and preying on gullible consumers.
You make valid points man. But, imo, leaving the video publicly catalogued in the hopes that one day better information will be so ubiquitous that it's mere presence will be enough to make him look bad is....optimistic. My main issue here is basically just what i said in the video: as long as it persists it will be a stain on the community. Newbies see his videos first and foremost when they start researching lifting. This is potentially their very first exposure to the concepts of breathing and bracing, and it's literally ass backwards and potentially dangerous. As long as it exists it will be a vacuum that sucks people in and sends them down the wrong path. You are right that it would open up a Pandora's Box of sorts on regards to the wellbeing of his brand....but I don't care about that lol.
@@EnkiriElite Thats the problem anyone who's been in the gym and working out more than 5 minutes already knows he is shit and full of lies its the noobs searching on UA-cam who will see his channel pop up. Don't want new people failing to progress and quitting or worse yet injuring themselves.
Can you imagine how many views he would get if he would post a video titled "I was wrong! (squat breathing technique update!)" Honestly it would be good for his brand. "So much respect for Jeff! He's so humble and he admits when he's wrong!" I can just see the comments now...
@@lazo3251 thanks lazo! Turns out I enjoy a lot of things in my life that are not as efficient as they could be ;). I’m just enjoying the journey (and the fact that I went from pulling 185kg for a single to pulling 200kg for a double in less than 50 days)
Jeff's advice isn't even only ineffective, its counterproductive *and* more risky and dangerous. You're literally paying more to get less than nothing out of it. And all this on one of the most *basic,* simple and universal aspects of lifting. What a great coach he is. His knowledge is sooooo amazing lmao. Can't wait to see how he tackles programming and periodization. Wonder how he'll fk up that one too.
As someone who got fooled by jeff when I was a novice, he uses no periodization in his “programs” (which aren’t technically programs because there’s no clear method of progression or periodization). It’s just random lists of exercises. He advocates for taking 4 sets of deadlifts to all out failure in a workout, and defends it by saying that as long as you do his “corrective” exercises you won’t get hurt
@@michaelzepernick4575 4 deadlift sets to failure? Is he on fucking crack. I wouldn't be able to get out of bed the next day if I did that. I do 1 top set which is usually 95% and then 2 back downs at 90% and 85% thats plenty enough. He is setting people up to fail its a joke.
John Haack does! It really comes down to personal preference. If you can set the lift up with good mechanics this way and the dip, grip, rip makes you feel more powerful...then there no reason why you shouldn't use it.
I'm actually stunned that Athlean-X gave this advice. I mean bracing doing a Valsalva maneuver is one of the first things you learn to properly do deadlifts, squats or other really heavy compound movement that demands your central region to be rigid and stable. I remember that it somehow was a debate in the early 2000:s (or so) if you should do the Vasalva or do the opposite (like Athlean-X) by activating the transversals muscles, ie the "deep core" muscles that everrything somehow focused on for a time. Funnily enough often also the same people who believed in unstable movements, the Pilates ball ("Swizz ball"), bozu balls etc. ("It sells" more for a fitness influencer to have some "magic" weird special kind of movements and advices too.) Many strange "complimentary movements" that really was more like rehab/prehab exercisis(IF THAT). You still see people from time to time doing these crazy movements. And never ever lifting heavy weights! It was simply a wrong advice and people who wanted to lift heavy weights properly in the big compound lifts simply continued with the vasalva manouver.
Make sure to breathe out while doing multiple all out rep maxes on the squat (PERFECT LEG WORKOUT!!!). Meanwhile Jesse is using breathing and bracing and probably running 5/3/1 or something.
I do wonder what the consequences (if any) of increasing intraabdominal pressure are though, especially with women. Would it not increase the risk of incontinence or something?
Maybe that advice is why Jeff doesn't seem to understand the purpose of using a belt? Kinda hard to create intra abdominal pressure if you expel all the air...
45lbs away from doing the 5 plates it's a pain in the ass that i didn't continue my bulk if i did it i believe i could have got it 3 month ago but my stupid ass got insecure and decided to cut
I doubt Jeff will remove that video, much like anyone who is even slightly critical of him in the comments (even respectfully) gets their comments deleted from his videos & blocked from commenting ever again. Don’t ask how I know….. 😁 Sadly there are millions of AthleanX fanboys who will believe & defend anything he says, even when he’s made so many videos that even contradict himself many times over both ways, or when so many other fitness professionals have debunked the bad advice he’s given over the years.
@@EnkiriElite I literally just politely disagreed w/ some of the things he said in one of his videos & offered a couple safer & much more effective exercises & training tips to use instead. My comment started getting upvoted a bunch as they tend to, & within an hour it was deleted & I was blocked from commenting on his channel ever again. 🤷♂️😂
i Swear had some people telling me and also some Gym Coaches about their "CT Course" to be a certified trainer that they tell them in this course : (breathe normally while lifting and never hold your breath cause it's dangerous) (and the most important factor to focus on for muscle growth is pumping blood into the muscles) that's why i see a lot of Coaches in my Gym advice people to never hold their breath oh u gonna herniate something or whatever the f !
Yup. Had the owner of a gym I used to go to tell me that when I was benching. Apparently, Paul Hogan (of Crocodile Dungee fame) held his breath during lifting and ruptured some sort of blood vessel (I never bothered to look it up, just smiled and thanked him for the advice until he fucked off).
If Jessie had bulked once for real this wouldn’t have taken 5 years. Bulk aggressively for 1 year, slowly bulk for the remainder, cut for 6 months. Be so much bigger and stronger.
Also if Jeff allowed him to put heavier weight on the bar earlier in his lifting career it would’ve helped. He wasn’t allowed to go past 135 on squats because Jeff claimed he was using “compensatory strength” (whatever the hell that means)
And Jesse also is ALWAYS at a healthy body weight and body fat, ALWAYS looking good. He didn't suffer by overeating and dieting. Nope, he had a stable and consistent journey of gains. Jesse was in no rush to get stronger, why the hell are you in a hurry? Let's say he did bulk and cut, can you give us how much more stronger he could have been or how much muscle he could have gained? Jesse made reasonable gains over those years for a natty and if you look any chart about how much muscle you can gain as a natty in x amount of years, you will know Jesse did well. How about you? How much more muscle did you gain because you bulked and cut? How will you know that? If you got to the 500lbs deadlift faster, did that make you a better person? Are you even competing? You have to understand, not everyone is in a hurry, not everyone is stupid enough to forego health over lifting some deadweights.
@@wafercrackerjack880 while I agree with a lot of what you said, Jesse would look way better if he put on some weight. It doesn't mean he has to gain a lot of fat, but he is malnourished. He could've packed on another 15 lbs that wasn't fat. Remember, it's not just muscle. Connective tissue, bone density, blood, glycogen, and many other things also make up lean body mass. He did put on some muscle, but he still looks like a skinny little teenager. He could look so much better.
@@JoshBenware What definition of malnourished are you talking about? Jesus Christ do you have body dysmorphia? Jesse is so far from looking and being malnourished and I am a healthcare professional who have seen real undernourished people. His weight for his height is absolutely healthy. Don't try to educate me with what lean mass is because I have studied those way before you started lifting. You need to readjust your expectations and knowledge of how REAL people look. Do you even know how much muscle Jesse gained to say he could have gotten 15 lbs more? What evidence do you have to say that or are you just pulling that number out of you bum? How much do you know about Jesse's genetics to say that he could have gained 15 lbs more? I am seriously concerned about you and your current beliefs. You totally sound like you may have a very skewed perspective of what real gains to real people are.
@@wafercrackerjack880 Lol deadlifting in 5 years IS slow, as that's the single lift he is good enough to post. Deadlift is also correlated least with body mass, so that means that it should be more impressive than your squat and bench when you are skinny. Anyone with common sense will agree that bulking and cutting is better than that maingaining garbage.
Let’s get the powerlifting community to join enkiri to petition athlean x to take down that terrible wrong advice video when lifting heavy ass weight 👍🏻
Jesse has gotten stronger. Although …. I would caution him not to bend with the elbows when initiating the lift…. Also I’d caution him to pull slack from the bar
Do you know what is funny tho, I have actually heard similar advice, about breathing out and even doing a stomach vacuum, from Elliot Hulse, once upon a time, but it was about front squats. It is batshit insane, but the craziest thing was, that he was actually doing them like that :D :D That being said, they are books written about the Valsalva maneuver and yes most people, even a lot of powerlifters are doing it kinda...well, not wrong, but not optimal either.
I agree that many do not breathe optimally, even experienced lifters. You see a lot of shoulder shrugging when you should see belly expansion. But some of these guys are a lot stronger than I am and I don't feel like it's my place to tell them to change what they are doing unless they specifically seek out my advice!
@@EnkiriElite Yeep. People really underestimate how important is to have correct posture when bracing. Chad Smith from Juggernaut training and Bromley have great videos on the subject. But yeah, its not like I am perfect or stronger than a lot of those guys, so if it works for them , who am I to judge.
Do y'all think Jeff lifts the way he does because of arthritis? It would explain his intrest in the physical therapy side of things as well as his small numbers and him avoiding high performance activities like advanced calisthenics or powerlifting. It's just a theory i have.
3:45 Wow... That's the form AthleanX pulls with? I've pulled 650 REAL pounds with shorter arms and a flat back. I hope that's not how he's teaching his subscribers to deadlift. SNAP CITY!
This isn't a program. This is Principles of Weight Training 101. You don't have an Option A and an Option B here. This is just a law and if you want to play the game you can't choose whether or not to follow it.
Is fixating on AthleanX really necessary to garner views? Your content has helped me learn and improve and you’re pulling massive weight. I dont see the obsession asides from trying to piggyback off of someone else’s success by instigating drama. It’s low and you don’t need it. I’ve learned just as much if not more from Jesse given how long he’s been around.
Athlean-X recommends exhaling as a means of bracing for heavy squats. It's not "piggybacking off of someone else's success," it is rectifying dangerous errors that are nonchalantly spouted off to millions of people as though they are rock hard fact. You are free to watch it or not watch it.
The sped up video is pretty bizarre. There's no reason to do it. 500lbs is very respectable, especially considering that Jesse is on the lankier side. There's no shame in him finding it to be a difficult lift, and he pulled it off. The extra half second getting shaved off in the completion time is meaningless.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This dude Jeff is an absolute money-hungry hack who has mastered the art of marketing. Again, this dude has like 50+ combined curl and cable chest exercises showcased on his UA-cam and Insta, but can anyone find me a video of him discussing how to master compound movements? Or how to optimize speed and acceleration? Or cutting better? Or jumping higher? Anyone? "Train like an athlete" my ass. Also, let me amend my comment. You are absolutely right for calling Jeff out for fake weights. I see his apostles defending him and saying it isn't a big deal, but it clearly is. It's a fairly simple play on psychology. If you present yourself as freakishly strong, people are going to trust you. But he does not deserve that trust because his strength is extremely mediocre
Nah bro you got the wrong definition for athlete, an athlete obviously doesnt need to run or jump higher, athletes do curls and chest exercises all the time.
@@soumyodyutiray160 Oh yeah my bad I forgot that folks like Julian Edelman and Kyrie Irving achieve their level of athleticism by doing curls in the squat racks and doing 50 facepulls every day
I think he was trying to make it sound like he knew some trick that everybody else didn't know about, but it was not a responsible piece to publish, in my opinion of course.
@@EnkiriElite I guess its hard to provide novelty when one has been going on as long as Jeff. But as you say that is plain dangerous to anyone trying it. He should really take the vid down. Actually many cant really brace properly. So why didnt he do an exhausting video on that?
If any of you new guys reading this wants to see good breathing and bracing, look at Alec's last video with the defecit stiff legged deadlifts. His torso looked like it was built out of cement.
Jeff is the sidekick now. Jesse has outlifted him and asserted his dominance. Petition for Jeff to step down and let Jesse be the new president of Athlean X. 🗿
@@helphowdoinputusername3571 You have to realise that Jesse is only stronger than Jesse due to having a higher body fat. The higher body fat the more you can deadlift. Jeff still is stronger in all other areas.
Funny thing is Blaha is actually more credible than just about anyone in the mainstream fitness community ever since he stopped peddling the minimalist dogma. I feel the hate he gets has to do with the stuff he has done in the past outside the realm of training.
@@JoeyCentral blaha deserves a lot of the hate he gets but the funny thing is he was one of the few youtubers calling out Jeff on a consistent basis before the fake weight debacle
@@michaelzepernick4575 I can’t say whether he does or doesn’t because I don’t care to follow UA-cam fitness influencers into their personal lives. Like what happened or what they said off camera is a different issue entirely and I am not in a position to judge their morality. But when it comes to the information about training, I definitely feel like over time he was pretty much right on a lot of things that many in the mainstream fitness industry were either wrong in or purposely misleading others in. And personally, I think that what they do, what sharks like Greg Doucette and Athlean X does, is a lot worse since they mislead people to do the wrong things while they profit. It’s not even comparable who is worse between those guys and Blaha.
I think the fake weights exposed Jeff’s insecurity. He not only wants to be bone shredded lean year round but be incredibly strong without question. Jesse being stronger than Jeff doesn’t surprise me at all. Jesse may not be a “big guy” but compared to Jeff he is bigger.
That advice was obviously for the squat not the deadlift. Different exercises require different technique....... Your idiocy amazes me.
no u
i donttt really knowww if you're being sarcastic or not. But if you aren't bro you need a life and need to stop fanboying over athlean-x
Not sure if you're trolling or not, but the concept of proper bracing is the same for every compound movement you'll ever do in the gym. Whether it's a squat, deadlift. OHP, farmers walk, yoke run, barbell row, power clean etc. etc. etc....the method used to create intra-abdominal pressure does not change.
Looks like the sarcasm didn't come across strong enough for all of us lol
Hey man if you're trolling YoUre sUpOssEd tO Do iT LikE ThIs
Fake weights is bad. But telling noobs breathing out before squats or deads is way worse.
Hi Geoffrey
Its Malpractice city
@@ayaanlifts And Malpractice city leads to Snap city.
this is one of the main reasons why I hated that YT removed the dislike button counts. People can upload terrible advises/tutorials without consequences.
It's a mixed bag. My channel was also dislike bombed when Alan Robert's and James Linker told all the athlean x fans to come trash my channel a couple years ago. So there's both good and bad to it being gone.
@@EnkiriElite End of the day people should be free to see what others think of a video its their opinion regardless of whether its right or not.
Honestly what gets me more about Jeff is his total lack of mobility. He's all about rehab/prehab ect. yet can't even do a decent squat or overhead press. Not that his mobility is THAT bad, but I'd expect more when shit like that is often used as an excuse for his lack of strength.
This is actually a very good point.
@@EnkiriElite nice greg doucette gave u a shout out in his afternoon video
He had said many times that he had knee and shoulder issues early in his career.
Ab aniexty. Body dysmorphophobia. Fake weights. Fake natty possibly.
@@raygengamer8440 definitely fake natty. Go watch his videos from 10 years ago. He looks worse. Unless he is aging in reverse.
Recently found your channel, love your content. Your deadlift analysis series really helped me pinpoint some majors flaws in my technique. Thank you.
Glad it helped you out man!
I am EXTREMELY fortunate that prior to being under the barbell as a novice, this whole ordeal about Jeff came out - I didn't know any better then, but I'm so lucky I know more now thanks to strength coaches like yourself
Enkiri, Garage Strength, Mind Pump... Those are some of the best channels on UA-cam
I wish I was you right now. I wasted my noob gains on AthleanX bullshit programs. I wish I had just lifted. I didn’t barbell squat at all my entire first year of training.
@@samdajellybeenie14 Dont worry man, you haven't literally lost the "newbie gains", once you train right and progressively overload right you'll still gain as much as "newbie gains" assuming you're not already an intermediate or elite lifter nowadays.
@@SadBheeseChurger Well a year and a half ago I decided to get drop AthleanX and do a Jeff Nippard program and it worked. I moved to Alan Thrall’s free program and that worked great and then I went to Johnnie Candito’s intermediate program and my squat e1RM was 290. So I’m pretty proud of that!
Jesse actually pulled 500 can tell by the way the bar bends and the struggle at lockout was real. Very impressive cause Jesse aint a big guy.
Sadly he'd probably be stronger and bigger if he hadn't been corrupted by the Mr Short and Veiny himself
@@sethgaston8347 if Jesse came to you for advice to get bigger and stronger, what would you tell him to do?
@@maalikfazal1406 probably to eat more. athlean-x is always talking about how jesse loves to eat gummi bears, and tries to keep jesse too lean. jesse would actually be *stronger* if he ate those gummi bears.
Most recent comment on it: ua-cam.com/video/q9dTRcMypNk/v-deo.html
"I told my gym buddy to try this, he folded like a bitch"
Lol yeah I saw that
That comment, which I believe was several months old, has now been deleted lol.
@@EnkiriElite looks like several were.
Anything that calls out harmful advice is always welcome. Thanks dude
I’m glad I only watched athleanx for the first month of my lifting career
So ,you maingained in your first year of training?
@@innovatixn99 thankfully no, I went F U L L mode
Sadly I followed him for 2-3 years lmfao
Respect. I listened to him for about 3 months.
He can't even squat 2 plates down to parallel lol and he tells skinny dudes to not bulk as if they'll just put on mass out of nowhere.
Regular Friday post from Alec. Great way to start the weekend.
🙏 thank you sir
Theres another, and I would argue, equally important Athleanex teaching which Jesse ignorced in order to achieve 500 lbs. In the video Jesse claims to still have an 8-pack. Nevertheless, the video makes it pretty clear that the disciple has gone north of 10% body fat to get his strength gains.
Of course because very few people can be strong at under 10% bodyfat unless they are on PEDs and even then its less than their potenial north of 10%.
@@gravemind6536 Have you watched much Athleanex? His whole one slice of carrot cake a year and maintain 7% body fat lifestyle and telling his fans to follow his example.
@@Abraham_Kist-Okazaki I know about his carrot cake thing and yeah he stays too lean year round its not even healthy for the body nor optimial for strength and muscle building. He is promoting an unsustainable way of living to his followers. Bodybuilders from amateur all the way to olympia have off season diets for a reason and they go as high as 15% bodyfat off season so even they understand being in single digit bodyfat year round is bad.
Yeah, in spite of the PEDs, you can still see the effects of the excessive leanness taking their toll on Jeff. His face is always sunken, for one.
I remember seeing this video a few years back when I thought Jeff was the smartest guy in the universe, somehow after trying it once I knew it felt wrong and decided to keep squatting the way I was. I wasn’t doing an efficient valsalva but it still felt a lot stronger than sucking in my stomach before a rep
It'd be appreciated if you covered his pullup advice too. It was supposed to be a way to perform more pullups and had some stuff about tightening your whole core and stretching your legs out to account for "energy leaks" which I am starting to question. I do know a stiff body is easier to lift than a limp one but I feel like when I tried implementing that advice, I started doing fewer pullups, honestly.
In my personal experience, I don't think you should consciously squeeze every muscle in your body as tight as possible. This just leads to fatigue. Yes, having a strong core that prevents "energy leaks" matters, but this should come naturally as you progress
I can do 25 bodyweight pullups in a row and a 45 kg pullup for 4 to prove. It's dumb to try to flex your core and your legs and all this crap to " stop energy leaks " instead just do some direct ab work ( leg raises , ab rollout ) and it'll stop your "energy leaks ". Best way to get stronger is to just do more of them by adding weight , doing bodyweight AMRAP, and occasionally switching up the variation and getting stronger at it.
Minkisjng movement of the rest of your body will prevent energy leaks. But conscious tensing every muscle to keep them stiff will only lead to fatigue just for that. Maybe that’s why you’ve regressed
Tensing up is definitely fatiguing, but having your legs straight and taut in front of your body actually give you a nice ab workout while you do your pullups
"Now do it as I'm showing you here..." 😆
Well I stand corrected, I thought it was fake, then again I didn't even try to find that particular video of his lift. Glad to know I have an influence on your content!
Assuming that Athlean-X primarily exists to provide the best training advice for athletes is as naive as believing that McDonalds exists in order to provide the best hamburgers on the planet. Athlean-X exists to make money for Jeff C. That is the bottom line. Accept his training advice at your own RISK.
If you want to look like an athlete you have to breath out on your squats ♿
Best way to build an athletic core
He ignored athleen x's advice?! OMG! This is unthinkable
Man, you deserve more subs
Thanks man
I take a big breath in at the top of the squat bottom of the deadlift and the start of an OHP. The only one where it’s slightly different is the bench but I’m still inhaling air from my nose and then pushing the air out through my mouth as I move the weight.
He's also bigger! Go Jesse!
I had to watch this video after seeing the title :D
about 8-9 years ago I actually got close to injuring myself many times breathing out before the descent :(
I love that Ray Williams clip you included. I must have seen it 2 dozen times now and the speed of it still doesn't look real.
Ray is one of the best squatters to ever live.
I got a question maybe someone on here can answer it most because it's been something I've been curious about what about during AB training valsalva or breathe out haven't really been able to find a good answer?
We need Jesse to take over Athlean X!
What's your deadlift PR in AthleanX pounds?
They don't make any bars that can fit it.
It's a real Friday again with an Enkiri upload
I'm trying my best man! Thanks for watching.
@@EnkiriElite You doing good! Thanks for giving me shit to watch!
I'm very lucky. Jeff, as probably a lot of people can relate, was one of the first fitness UA-cam channels I came across, however, in his early programs they were predominantly dumbbell based workouts, so I dodged a bullet, even if my body didn't after doing 3xfailure on everything lol. The fake weights actually helped my fitness journey, though, as I found all the legitimate S & C candidates as a result of him being called out. Yourself included Alec! Every cloud.
Just saw this, love the cheeky humour in the thumbnail 👍🤣
How do you manage the bracing when doing sets of 5+ reps? I find bracing after each rep is very fatiguing. The act of bracing multiple times seems to wear me out more than the actual lift.
Brace then do as many reps as possible with that breath, then reset.
I would recommend adding in deadbugs at the start of your sessions. Training to keep to the brace while being able to breath. Bracing is possible without breath, but not as affective.
But I wouldn't recommend breathing out while moving through a heavy squat, as an example.
Breath big, brace, reach the top, keep braced and breath in some more or let some air out while at the top, then squat again.
But you do you my guy
I usually take a breath or two at the top of the squat when I need to, then brace again and continue
Maybe 2 reps per breath. Yea it is fatigueing tho.
Loved how you laugh while talking 😂😂
Does bracing happen for heavy pull ups as well?
Next thing you're gonna tell me is Jeff Cavalier doesn't train like an athlete
Plot twist: it's the gummy bears
I knew it!!😂
Alec is full on ASSHOLE mode this video through his mannerisms and vocal tone. I love it
I admire your ability to hold your laugh
RIP Pure Bullfit....
No love lost.
the breathe out clip gets me every time
It gets us all man. Wheh you have even the slightest lifting knowledge it makes you feel like you're taking crazy pills.
@@EnkiriElite it’s so important to look as aesethic as possible when lifting .,,,
Love your videos man keep it up!
Thanks!
The thumbnail alone has got me creasing. 🤣🤣🤣👌
would prefer it to remain. I would also prefer the Joel Seedman stuff he started with to also remain. The same for the impossible workouts that would probably hospitalize you if you followed them as prescribed. If we have him remove one such video, we have to ask, should he remove the others? If the answer is yes to the first question, then he most definitely should remove the other misinformation filled videos, and there might be a point when he would lose too much content he produced.
To be very clear, I think it's best people see where he started and where he is now so they know who they're dealing with.
And when nocebos become the Joel Seedmans in a few years when pain and injury science develops and spreads to more people (hopefully), and when training programming is better understood by people with more illuminating thoughts and research, he would have to take down at least 80% of his youtube content (certainly 95% or more of his "injury pReVeNtIoN" and "rEhAb" stuff). Not to mention Athlean-XX
If he truly believes that old videos that he can now conclude are more harmful/useless than not should be removed, then he'll end up removing most of his content. This could be a slippery slope for him and his brand if he chooses to take down the breathe out video.
But suppose he does remove it: it's acknowledging that he put out one of the most blatant examples of quackery in fitness history and was lambasted by the community to the point where he conceded. Just like the fake weight fraud saga, he just wouldn't do that because the narrative is that he is immune to criticism.
And slippery slope again: eventually when training and pain/injury science develops and reaches the masses, we'll have more videos like the one from today looking back and saying how he practiced pseudoscience today and the past years - years when there has been plenty of good pain/injury and training info out there that he either chose not to look out of intellectual incompetence or deliberately ignored to build a brand off of clickbait and preying on gullible consumers.
You make valid points man. But, imo, leaving the video publicly catalogued in the hopes that one day better information will be so ubiquitous that it's mere presence will be enough to make him look bad is....optimistic.
My main issue here is basically just what i said in the video: as long as it persists it will be a stain on the community. Newbies see his videos first and foremost when they start researching lifting. This is potentially their very first exposure to the concepts of breathing and bracing, and it's literally ass backwards and potentially dangerous. As long as it exists it will be a vacuum that sucks people in and sends them down the wrong path.
You are right that it would open up a Pandora's Box of sorts on regards to the wellbeing of his brand....but I don't care about that lol.
@@EnkiriElite Thats the problem anyone who's been in the gym and working out more than 5 minutes already knows he is shit and full of lies its the noobs searching on UA-cam who will see his channel pop up. Don't want new people failing to progress and quitting or worse yet injuring themselves.
Can you imagine how many views he would get if he would post a video titled "I was wrong! (squat breathing technique update!)" Honestly it would be good for his brand. "So much respect for Jeff! He's so humble and he admits when he's wrong!" I can just see the comments now...
@@Barbellcoachkasper Deadlifting every day is dumb. Twice a week with 3x6-10 is much more effective.
@@lazo3251 thanks lazo! Turns out I enjoy a lot of things in my life that are not as efficient as they could be ;). I’m just enjoying the journey (and the fact that I went from pulling 185kg for a single to pulling 200kg for a double in less than 50 days)
Jeff's advice isn't even only ineffective, its counterproductive *and* more risky and dangerous. You're literally paying more to get less than nothing out of it. And all this on one of the most *basic,* simple and universal aspects of lifting. What a great coach he is. His knowledge is sooooo amazing lmao. Can't wait to see how he tackles programming and periodization. Wonder how he'll fk up that one too.
As someone who got fooled by jeff when I was a novice, he uses no periodization in his “programs” (which aren’t technically programs because there’s no clear method of progression or periodization). It’s just random lists of exercises. He advocates for taking 4 sets of deadlifts to all out failure in a workout, and defends it by saying that as long as you do his “corrective” exercises you won’t get hurt
What Michael wrote; no periodization whatsoever, but a mix of exercises you would put soccer moms through, to get them "fit".
Utterly terrible
@@michaelzepernick4575 4 deadlift sets to failure? Is he on fucking crack. I wouldn't be able to get out of bed the next day if I did that. I do 1 top set which is usually 95% and then 2 back downs at 90% and 85% thats plenty enough. He is setting people up to fail its a joke.
The video speed was the first thing I noticed 😂😂😂
Yeah, I'm not sure if there was any mischievous intent behind that....but it sure feels like it lol.
@@EnkiriElite coming from them, I'd err on the side of mischief for sure.
LOL Jeff is such a clown. His minion surpasses his deadlift in just a few years lifting. Shows what a joke Jeff's training is.
Dude also refuses to ever show how much weight is on the ar when he demonstrates a squat because his squat absolutely sucks
@@510hops6 I guess better than putting fake plates on lmao
Any thoughts on the technique? I'll never Deadlift 500 lbs. but I don't see many top guys using this grip & rip style of Deadlift.
John Haack does! It really comes down to personal preference. If you can set the lift up with good mechanics this way and the dip, grip, rip makes you feel more powerful...then there no reason why you shouldn't use it.
@@EnkiriElite Thanks. I guess I just have a hard time bracing everything so quickly.
Love the Ronnie sound effects.
I'm actually stunned that Athlean-X gave this advice. I mean bracing doing a Valsalva maneuver is one of the first things you learn to properly do deadlifts, squats or other really heavy compound movement that demands your central region to be rigid and stable.
I remember that it somehow was a debate in the early 2000:s (or so) if you should do the Vasalva or do the opposite (like Athlean-X) by activating the transversals muscles, ie the "deep core" muscles that everrything somehow focused on for a time.
Funnily enough often also the same people who believed in unstable movements, the Pilates ball ("Swizz ball"), bozu balls etc.
("It sells" more for a fitness influencer to have some "magic" weird special kind of movements and advices too.)
Many strange "complimentary movements" that really was more like rehab/prehab exercisis(IF THAT). You still see people from time to time doing these crazy movements.
And never ever lifting heavy weights!
It was simply a wrong advice and people who wanted to lift heavy weights properly in the big compound lifts simply continued with the vasalva manouver.
you're stunned? This should not be surpising from him
I'm still confused what was jeff thinking when he released that video about breathing out when doing a heavy lift
I think he was being edgy.
Make sure to breathe out while doing multiple all out rep maxes on the squat (PERFECT LEG WORKOUT!!!). Meanwhile Jesse is using breathing and bracing and probably running 5/3/1 or something.
I do wonder what the consequences (if any) of increasing intraabdominal pressure are though, especially with women. Would it not increase the risk of incontinence or something?
I don't see how it would, but even if it did the solution is simple: do kegels.
great to see Jessie pull 500 glad you still point out Jeffs poor advice for new lifters A1111111
I breathe out on the mid portion of the deadlift partially until the top.
As long as you are past the sticking point then you are fine.
Maybe that advice is why Jeff doesn't seem to understand the purpose of using a belt? Kinda hard to create intra abdominal pressure if you expel all the air...
45lbs away from doing the 5 plates it's a pain in the ass that i didn't continue my bulk if i did it i believe i could have got it 3 month ago but my stupid ass got insecure and decided to cut
Get on it bro. Hopefully you got back in the game and have smashed that by now. Keep trying if not.
@@bobbnudd2502 thanks for the motivating words and yeah man I got the 5 plate deadlift like a year ago and failed 5 plates and half like 3 month ago .
I doubt Jeff will remove that video, much like anyone who is even slightly critical of him in the comments (even respectfully) gets their comments deleted from his videos & blocked from commenting ever again. Don’t ask how I know….. 😁
Sadly there are millions of AthleanX fanboys who will believe & defend anything he says, even when he’s made so many videos that even contradict himself many times over both ways, or when so many other fitness professionals have debunked the bad advice he’s given over the years.
Haha what did you say that git you blocked?
@@EnkiriElite I literally just politely disagreed w/ some of the things he said in one of his videos & offered a couple safer & much more effective exercises & training tips to use instead. My comment started getting upvoted a bunch as they tend to, & within an hour it was deleted & I was blocked from commenting on his channel ever again. 🤷♂️😂
He dropped the valsalva vid on em.
Who Is Here From Coach Greg?
legend says when a noobie stops following Athlean-X all their lifts go up by 100lbs
Man if its okay with you can we see longer content like information or reviews like you used to do if you've the time
i Swear had some people telling me and also some Gym Coaches about their "CT Course" to be a certified trainer that they tell them in this course :
(breathe normally while lifting and never hold your breath cause it's dangerous)
(and the most important factor to focus on for muscle growth is pumping blood into the muscles)
that's why i see a lot of Coaches in my Gym advice people to never hold their breath oh u gonna herniate something or whatever the f !
Yup. Had the owner of a gym I used to go to tell me that when I was benching. Apparently, Paul Hogan (of Crocodile Dungee fame) held his breath during lifting and ruptured some sort of blood vessel (I never bothered to look it up, just smiled and thanked him for the advice until he fucked off).
@@koleary1798 this article by Dr. Jon Sullivan should be required reading: startingstrength.com/article/the_valsalva_and_stroke
If Jessie had bulked once for real this wouldn’t have taken 5 years. Bulk aggressively for 1 year, slowly bulk for the remainder, cut for 6 months. Be so much bigger and stronger.
Also if Jeff allowed him to put heavier weight on the bar earlier in his lifting career it would’ve helped. He wasn’t allowed to go past 135 on squats because Jeff claimed he was using “compensatory strength” (whatever the hell that means)
And Jesse also is ALWAYS at a healthy body weight and body fat, ALWAYS looking good. He didn't suffer by overeating and dieting. Nope, he had a stable and consistent journey of gains. Jesse was in no rush to get stronger, why the hell are you in a hurry?
Let's say he did bulk and cut, can you give us how much more stronger he could have been or how much muscle he could have gained? Jesse made reasonable gains over those years for a natty and if you look any chart about how much muscle you can gain as a natty in x amount of years, you will know Jesse did well.
How about you? How much more muscle did you gain because you bulked and cut? How will you know that? If you got to the 500lbs deadlift faster, did that make you a better person? Are you even competing?
You have to understand, not everyone is in a hurry, not everyone is stupid enough to forego health over lifting some deadweights.
@@wafercrackerjack880 while I agree with a lot of what you said, Jesse would look way better if he put on some weight. It doesn't mean he has to gain a lot of fat, but he is malnourished. He could've packed on another 15 lbs that wasn't fat. Remember, it's not just muscle. Connective tissue, bone density, blood, glycogen, and many other things also make up lean body mass. He did put on some muscle, but he still looks like a skinny little teenager. He could look so much better.
@@JoshBenware What definition of malnourished are you talking about? Jesus Christ do you have body dysmorphia? Jesse is so far from looking and being malnourished and I am a healthcare professional who have seen real undernourished people. His weight for his height is absolutely healthy.
Don't try to educate me with what lean mass is because I have studied those way before you started lifting.
You need to readjust your expectations and knowledge of how REAL people look. Do you even know how much muscle Jesse gained to say he could have gotten 15 lbs more? What evidence do you have to say that or are you just pulling that number out of you bum? How much do you know about Jesse's genetics to say that he could have gained 15 lbs more?
I am seriously concerned about you and your current beliefs. You totally sound like you may have a very skewed perspective of what real gains to real people are.
@@wafercrackerjack880 Lol deadlifting in 5 years IS slow, as that's the single lift he is good enough to post. Deadlift is also correlated least with body mass, so that means that it should be more impressive than your squat and bench when you are skinny. Anyone with common sense will agree that bulking and cutting is better than that maingaining garbage.
Let’s get the powerlifting community to join enkiri to petition athlean x to take down that terrible wrong advice video when lifting heavy ass weight 👍🏻
Props to Jessie for 500 solid-ass pounds. Looks like he is the master now, hahahaha.
Jesse has gotten stronger. Although …. I would caution him not to bend with the elbows when initiating the lift…. Also I’d caution him to pull slack from the bar
You aren't wrong. This wasn't an analysis of technique though!
Do you know what is funny tho, I have actually heard similar advice, about breathing out and even doing a stomach vacuum, from Elliot Hulse, once upon a time, but it was about front squats. It is batshit insane, but the craziest thing was, that he was actually doing them like that :D :D
That being said, they are books written about the Valsalva maneuver and yes most people, even a lot of powerlifters are doing it kinda...well, not wrong, but not optimal either.
I agree that many do not breathe optimally, even experienced lifters. You see a lot of shoulder shrugging when you should see belly expansion. But some of these guys are a lot stronger than I am and I don't feel like it's my place to tell them to change what they are doing unless they specifically seek out my advice!
@@EnkiriElite Yeep. People really underestimate how important is to have correct posture when bracing. Chad Smith from Juggernaut training and Bromley have great videos on the subject.
But yeah, its not like I am perfect or stronger than a lot of those guys, so if it works for them , who am I to judge.
@@slee2695 Hmmm, interesting. Care to elaborate ?
Thumbs up 👍❗
Do y'all think Jeff lifts the way he does because of arthritis? It would explain his intrest in the physical therapy side of things as well as his small numbers and him avoiding high performance activities like advanced calisthenics or powerlifting.
It's just a theory i have.
Definitely possible + he is a PT so he will definitely be skewed to focus alot on the itty bitty parts of lifting
I believe you are correct here, yes.
I found athlean-x after I already been taught by a proper strength coach so im glad i didn't fall for all the marketing stuff
You are one of the lucky ones!
🤣 the title had me wheezing worse than your stairmill carries.
Oh shit Jesse is stronger than Jeff… damn that kinda hits hard
is it normal i hate deadlifting with a belt lol but i enjoy squatting with a belt
It's not that abnormal. The belt Can impact the setup position during the deadlift.
How much you charge for coaching? Also nice video lol
www.enkirielitefitness.com/coachingservices
3:45 Wow... That's the form AthleanX pulls with? I've pulled 650 REAL pounds with shorter arms and a flat back. I hope that's not how he's teaching his subscribers to deadlift. SNAP CITY!
Facts
He has openly said that he himself doesn't follow AthleanX programs
Jfc lol
This isn't a program. This is Principles of Weight Training 101. You don't have an Option A and an Option B here. This is just a law and if you want to play the game you can't choose whether or not to follow it.
@@EnkiriElite maybe jesse should follow his stupid breath out advice and train like an athlete himself so that he can finally deadlift 6 plates
@@ElloYuchub it's the only way
I remember that lol. Imagine your own star pupil and video companion saying on one of your own videos that they don't follow your programs.
This should be good
Athlean x Roasts are back
You have an impressive neck. Did you ever train it directly ?
Na, just compounds mostly.
I agree. But why would Jeff lie about it. He knows we hold our breath and tighten our core
Because he has no clue about lifting
Fax
Jesse looks bigger as well, so he obviously left even better.
Is fixating on AthleanX really necessary to garner views? Your content has helped me learn and improve and you’re pulling massive weight. I dont see the obsession asides from trying to piggyback off of someone else’s success by instigating drama. It’s low and you don’t need it. I’ve learned just as much if not more from Jesse given how long he’s been around.
Athlean-X recommends exhaling as a means of bracing for heavy squats. It's not "piggybacking off of someone else's success," it is rectifying dangerous errors that are nonchalantly spouted off to millions of people as though they are rock hard fact. You are free to watch it or not watch it.
Yes. He's an infamous icon with enough popularity to mislead an enormous population.
Greg Douchette watched this video.
Imagine if jesse bulked up to 15-20% bf like most real strenght athletes
He is close to 15% anyways
@@vitaliyvorobets2738 idk man. He looks closer to like 12% than he is 15%.
jesse can lift 4 times his own weight and still looks like a normal person
What a beautiful sight. The creature has overthrown the (sh*tty) creator.
Well i always wondered why Jesse stayed so small and now is see Jeff sucks at nutrition too
The sped up video is pretty bizarre. There's no reason to do it. 500lbs is very respectable, especially considering that Jesse is on the lankier side. There's no shame in him finding it to be a difficult lift, and he pulled it off. The extra half second getting shaved off in the completion time is meaningless.
Hey looks like coach Greg is calling for Jeff's video to be taken down too.
Look at the little mosquitoe making big waves. BUZZ BUZZ!!!!
Forever a mosquito
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This dude Jeff is an absolute money-hungry hack who has mastered the art of marketing. Again, this dude has like 50+ combined curl and cable chest exercises showcased on his UA-cam and Insta, but can anyone find me a video of him discussing how to master compound movements? Or how to optimize speed and acceleration? Or cutting better? Or jumping higher? Anyone? "Train like an athlete" my ass.
Also, let me amend my comment. You are absolutely right for calling Jeff out for fake weights. I see his apostles defending him and saying it isn't a big deal, but it clearly is. It's a fairly simple play on psychology. If you present yourself as freakishly strong, people are going to trust you. But he does not deserve that trust because his strength is extremely mediocre
Nah bro you got the wrong definition for athlete, an athlete obviously doesnt need to run or jump higher, athletes do curls and chest exercises all the time.
@@soumyodyutiray160 Oh yeah my bad I forgot that folks like Julian Edelman and Kyrie Irving achieve their level of athleticism by doing curls in the squat racks and doing 50 facepulls every day
@@510hops6 Yep being an athlete is a about getting those big biceps and big delts.
Its so odd that Jeff would say something like that. I cant imagine he didnt know of the valsalva
I think he was trying to make it sound like he knew some trick that everybody else didn't know about, but it was not a responsible piece to publish, in my opinion of course.
@@EnkiriElite I guess its hard to provide novelty when one has been going on as long as Jeff.
But as you say that is plain dangerous to anyone trying it. He should really take the vid down.
Actually many cant really brace properly. So why didnt he do an exhausting video on that?
@@EnkiriElite GODDAMN!
Wtf breathe out, expel all the air? Jeff coached pro athletes ? The valsalva is pretty much automatic, people have to be taught not to do it.
9:20 lmfao jeff is trying to hard
Yeah, this part was whack. I found out about it from Curlean-X. The description he changed it to is now irrelevant to the actual video.
Ello sir
Crazy how Jason Blaha as your coach for a year will make you stronger than Jeff coaching you for 5. Yet the internet clowns Jason yet respects Jeff.
I mean Blaha is a bit of an idiot but Athlean X is a straight up dumpster fire. jason does give some good advice.
Wonder how much bigger Jesse would be if he actually ate enough...
If any of you new guys reading this wants to see good breathing and bracing, look at Alec's last video with the defecit stiff legged deadlifts. His torso looked like it was built out of cement.
Thanks man!
Can you tell me the name of the youtube channel? Can't seem to find it
@@SM-cq1mm Its the youtube channel we are commenting on
@@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002 ah... Thanks
Quit attacking Athlean-X! You're just jealous because you don't have Jesse as your sidekick.
At this point that's actually true! Jesse has earned respect.
Jeff is the sidekick now. Jesse has outlifted him and asserted his dominance. Petition for Jeff to step down and let Jesse be the new president of Athlean X. 🗿
@@helphowdoinputusername3571 You have to realise that Jesse is only stronger than Jesse due to having a higher body fat. The higher body fat the more you can deadlift. Jeff still is stronger in all other areas.
I’d rather listen to Jason Blaha than athlean x
Funny thing is Blaha is actually more credible than just about anyone in the mainstream fitness community ever since he stopped peddling the minimalist dogma. I feel the hate he gets has to do with the stuff he has done in the past outside the realm of training.
@@JoeyCentral blaha deserves a lot of the hate he gets but the funny thing is he was one of the few youtubers calling out Jeff on a consistent basis before the fake weight debacle
@@michaelzepernick4575 I can’t say whether he does or doesn’t because I don’t care to follow UA-cam fitness influencers into their personal lives. Like what happened or what they said off camera is a different issue entirely and I am not in a position to judge their morality. But when it comes to the information about training, I definitely feel like over time he was pretty much right on a lot of things that many in the mainstream fitness industry were either wrong in or purposely misleading others in. And personally, I think that what they do, what sharks like Greg Doucette and Athlean X does, is a lot worse since they mislead people to do the wrong things while they profit. It’s not even comparable who is worse between those guys and Blaha.
I think the fake weights exposed Jeff’s insecurity. He not only wants to be bone shredded lean year round but be incredibly strong without question. Jesse being stronger than Jeff doesn’t surprise me at all. Jesse may not be a “big guy” but compared to Jeff he is bigger.