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The BEST ANALOG COMPRESSOR! || WesAudio ngBusComp
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2023
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I am watching ;-) you are very welcome!! Pffff yep it is a really good piece of gear...
Analog mic chain and a small chain for the masterbus. Everything else can be digital. Looking into the Wes Audio Bus Compressors cause they're recallable via software.
Yep
Until you hear a Neve Shelford and realise your channel strip plugins are far inferior
the one thing I've learned in my 40 years working with great musicians and producers is that regardless of which studio, or how expensive it is, artists and producers always end up sounding like themselves. it's inescapable. your ears and critical thinking are the best tools you'll ever have access to.
@@Reggi_Sample man I can’t wait to get one of those!
@@Reggi_Sampleor even a Newton lol
Using some WES gear (also NG-Bus) and Bettermaker stuff for years. Still in love with these machines, but also still wondering why other manufactures don't go this way since this should be the future of analog. Polish people are just smart and do not rest or don't live in the past. Keep it goin !
I have a Titan Rack, Dione, and Prometheus and loving it! Especially the recall and analog sound…….. Wes Audio is Awesome!
One of my favorite pieces of gear. My workflow is mostly Wesaudio. Glad i got into analog gear with this company.
Are you going to review the WesAudio NgTubeEq?
I do love the fact this compressor is very clean by default, I find even with the colour engaged it's a very polished sound... it makes this very good at fitting most projects.
I would get this before getting something like the gainlabs one but of course would really love that one eventually.
Superior is such a strong word... There have been hundreds of bangers done completely in the box.
Analog is nice if you have the money and room for it. But I truly don't feel analog is required to produce commercial quality productions.
Now if you'll excuse me... I'm going to get back to work in my hybrid studio setup. And don't judge me! Only Dan Worrell can judge me! 😋
It's like comparing a painting to a photo. Assuming it's well made, the painting can be more interesting because it can't ever be as near 100% true to the source as the photo. Does that mean it's superior? To me it doesn't, it's just a different expression.
You hit it right on the nail! We should definitely have more hybrid systems as well as controllers hardware style for synths and other things as well. I know it’s gonna take up more space in the house but there’s something about being able to touch knobs and twisted move things that helps create that magic
To answer the question of ABing two different settings.. the best way I found is to just print the audio. Sometimes I even find myself using both. Like parallel processing.
apart from tracking i think analogue is boutique these days and there will always be a place for it, but if anyone manages to make a standard for outboard automation then it will #1 be more attractive and #2 be even more expensive
Wes and Bettermaker are doing it, Tegeler as well if i'm correct. So knowing that and knowing engineers/artists like hybrid for "faster" work, manufacturers will definitely do some series of hybrid hardware. SSL is halfway by creating digital controllers for modeled hardware plugins (well what they claim), maybe they'll turn it onto hardware in the future.
I do own 2 Wes audio in 500 series, that's clean sound and digital recall is just awesome. Love the gear they do, I really plan to get more of their stuff in the future. Definitely manufacturer to watch closely !
What a beautiful piece of gear in which you have full digital control over analogue sound (ie signal processing).. great time to be alive - best of both worlds
You just glossed over an important argument for software-controlled analog gear. Not only can you automate it in your DAW, but it only takes a software update to add new features to the front panel controls. You could link THD and.Iron without drilling-out the front panel. You could even link them proportionately if you like.
Moog also have such a great editor for the Sub 37. That is the single reason that I use it so frequently compared to other hardware instruments.
As a lucky owner of this beast I must say that i was never more happy with purchasing a piece of analog gear than with this one, despite it was one of my first analog investments and a very painful one on financial side, I would do it again 😊. The racallability and sound is just magic to me. I have not much experience with analog but this one simply brings a dead piece of audio alive every single time
Hey, i was watching your video and at 4:00 you are so right on the "It should be a standard" and it got me thinking! I've developed different software across many platforms including Blockchain, and i believe i can design a software plugin that can communicate to some hardware by its hardware components. Then a person can purchase the software platform and add the gear they want as an add-on. I'd like to speak about this with you and maybe come up with an idea that can work across the board. As long as it has stepped modes (E.G. a stepped-click, per changes made between the allowed parameter), a controllable relay should be able to be installed and controlled just as an off, on; and/or engaged, and dis-engaged hardware switch controlling the different parameters.
I have also been brainstorming on a hardware device that has knobs, and a small 4x5 and/or 5x6 screen; whereas you are allowed to choose between the different plugins that you want to focus on in-order to gain control over the hardware and plugin visuals! E.g., if I have a LA-2A and 1176 style plugin on same track, I will press the focus button on the hardware, so that, I can page through the two plugins on that track, and gain control of whichever plugin i need to control at that moment!
The hardware can be designed to look like a compressor, EQ and etc..! and will control ONLY it's like/kind. So, if I wanted to control a Compressor plugin, i would then buy the hardware unit that looks like a compressor, i want hardware to control; now say i want to control the UAD Pultec EQ, I would buy the hardware that looks like the EQ also! This will keep everything running smooth, and uniform as it should be! Building a controller that controls any plugin from its knobs loses the tactile feel it was designed to give the end user! At some point you cannot break your ecosystem for profits! It WILL ultimately loose the purpose the engineer purchased it for in the first place!
An example would be the SSL UC1 controller! This hardware plugin controller looks and respond just like its plugin counterpart, and that is what people want to see, and feel! When you go off into controlling a plugin that does NOT have the same look and feel, you are taking away from the whole experience of the hardware controller, because it makes no sense now! Now you just have a bunch of knobs, buttons etc...!
Just msg me here if you are interested in speaking further on it, and ill msg you in private my contact info!
I have this unit and love it too! Really glad you brought up the autogain for the Iron section, this is my only gripe would love them to add that as a feature !
i think it looks like an excellent unit but for me there are some things it lacks. Variable knee, or even a soft knee mode, would make it much more versatile, and variable channel link seems appropriate for a "mastering" unit. As someone who doesn't mind the omission, do you have an idea why these features are not more popular on mastering equipment?
I have imagined the same kind of future. Things like the McDSP APB, Flock, Wes Audio, Tegeler etc come to mind. I'm just not sure if plugins will get to the same point. I feel they are sort of an asymptote. We're closer all the time yet I still think my hardware sounds better. Also, working at higher sample rates still taxes my M1 mac mini and UAD octo quite a bit if its a modern production with many tracks. Hardware doesn't care about that. So I think hybrid setups with digital recall etc is quite an exciting future...
White Sea Studio - Question, where did you get your console desk and racks? Ty
Been waiting for you to talk about this 'Analog Gears With A Bit Of Digital Help'.
I firmly believe that this should be the future.
WesAudio makes some really cool stuffs.
There is no plural for gear. It’s “gear” not “gears”. Your welcome.
The way to A B like that with analogue and be able to A/B instantly as you would need to is to print both setting... maybe you can have a loop to print rather than the whole song to make it quick then A/B between the recordings... which is a headache way still to do that... is the effort worth the result?
Pretty sure Wes Audio assisted Dan Kennedy with creating the tradically underrated Great River NV2 which is *so* far beyond other Kneve clones. Guy knows his shit.
Wonderful video. How would you describe the NGbuscomp versus the SSL bus + in terms of tone?
Hi there, first of all I wanna give you credits for your work on youtube!!! Amazing for the mixing-/mastering-community. BIG QUESTION/FAVOUR: Can you do a comparison between WESAUDIO‘s BusComp & TEGELER AUDIO‘s Schwerkraftmaschine? For some1 like me (and I think a lot of others) who is up for a plugin-controllable analog compressor that would be AWESOME since these 2 seems to be IT - but a kinda like shoot-out?! Cheers 😎🎶✌️
I love the little ball with the headset on in the background lol!
Analog is cool, but if you do double blind tests, like many have done on online forums, you can't distinguish modern plugin emulations from the real hardware. When you analyze plugins and hardware with psychoacoustics in mind (ERB, phase shift audibility...), you will know that the difference is scientifically inaudible for most plugins (I know that there are audible unit to unit variations, I'm just talking about how you can't know if something has been processed by analog or digital gear, and people don't have preferences in blind tests).
Let's focus on the decisions we make while mixing, not while buying stuff. However if the WORKFLOW of analog is better for someone, it could be a great investment.
I used to think so but it’s not true. Even cheap hardware beats plugins. Especially in compression, especially when pushed and exponentially especially when layered/multiple tracks.
I only keep gear that I both prefer and can distinguish from plugins every time on blind tests I set up myself. Unless there really is a meaningful difference, it gets sold. I can say that it's certainly not all in the head. Good examples would be HG2, RS124, plate verb that I own. Watch Eric Valentine's tests with analog tape and plugins. Big differences that are more apparent on some sources and less others. Having said that, mixing EVERYTHING in the box versus analog hybrid has many advantages of course. Some of the best mixers (perhaps most) obviously do this so your point about work flow is right of course. That's the most important. At the same time, it's very hard to unhear something u love on a piece of analog gear. It is very bad for wallet when u do hear it. Funnily enough, I sold an API eq as found it too similar to plugin. IN my case also workflow has to be analog so yes I agree with your basic point.
I know what you mean but many tests are flawed. When I A/B plugins with the hardware they imitate, they usually sound nothing like the hardware. Especially if you make them work hard.
Great! I been comparing this one with the dangerous compressor and I didn't see much info about both of them.
FMR RNC was the first hybrid I used, and that was a while ago now.
I agree it's a great way to control analog gear, cost effectiveness is probably the only barrier.
Having said that, it's a little surprising more manufacturers haven't embraced it yet. For a simple device, you wouldn't think the digital part would be very expensive. The DIY options have really exploded, though, so maybe we'll see more innovation along those lines.
I wonder how difficult it would be to design a hybrid modular synth that replaces patch cables with a digitally controlled mix matrix, so you could save and recall full patches. Hold a button on an oscillator module, then press a button on the filter module, and presto! It's patched.
Analog/Digital Ourtboard equipment like Bettermaker might be cool, as long as the software is supported/updated...
but when it is no more you have a beautiful 2000€-doorstop.
not really as you can also just turn the knobs on the unit...
Sounds like Talk Talk and that's a great thing
holy cow this music is so good
Hello and thank you for videos, learning tons. Not sure this is comparable but Bettermaker limiter mastering VS Wes Audio NGBus Comp... can they work together or can one would be better if only one can be chosen?
Because of constraints i don't need to mention here and my views how human hearing works i am a totally ITB guy - and in awe of your great work. Did i see a REAPER cameo popping up? I am a fully registered user of Reaper - unlike its nerdy appearance it is brutally honest and makes our (parallell) workflow and forgiving plugin compatibility so extra-ordinarily. Could you consider a review of version 6.81 - and the endless possibilities for SIMPLIFYING a stereo mix or even master?😊
Even more than just digital recall, there needs to be a simple way to bounce audio tracks from outboard gear, sort of like logic's "bounce in place" feature.
What unit in your studio would you most like to see this software control on the most?
This looks great, would love to shoot this out with The Bus+
Is the rack unit a physical controller for a built in software or the plugin in the DAW or is this an actual hardware compressor?
Its actual hardware 😊
This sound amazingggg wow that warmth depth it adds never heard with plugins 🥲
All the Wes audio stuff is fantastic. Check out their titan rack and 500 modules too. All of it is stellar.
Do you think its a lot better sound than the Elysia presser Neo?
How do you find it compares to the Tegeler Creme RC?
Flock Audio Patchbay :) just purchased and I'll do soon a video review. Great to make A/B test, to create parallel routing and recall different signal flow with a cllick :), no more cables to connect all the gear with mechanical patchbay
I have quite a few analogue pieces and don't bother with them any more for mixing and mastering. The results are not better, often worse.edit: wes audio rhea, shadow Hills dual vandergraph, mastering EQ from Decca studio, space echo, URAI 1178. I use them for vocal tracking, thats it
Really? Hey I'm not a digital hater and use plugins most of the time, but my hardware sounds notably better than my software.
@@ignacedhont9816 yep. I make a living mixing and mastering. Clients agree 👍 gonna sell everything other than tracking hardware.
Always wanted to see a comparison between the NG BUS Comp VS SSL BUS+ .. Doesn't exist
I'm about to move into a new place (new house!), where I'll build a 52 square meter studio.
It's huge, it's going to be amazing.
But it also means all my saving will be spent building the studio/acoustics...
Would be even nicer to show the sound 100% wet ;) Btw: in Reaper you can link (or inverse link) the Iron and pad parameters in the plugin. I can even control the unit from my Softube Console 1 where I have those parameters normal and inverse linked. There is a 'summersale' for WesAudio gear right now (Floating Point audio is official reseller) €2600 instead of €3300 for the ngBusComp is a very nice deal!
Suitable for a hobby mastering compressor?
This is great compressor and review 👍🏻
Thus this why I mix down each BUS with Nebula and Acustica Audio Pres, Level Everything Out, Add Acustica Audio and Nebula on Master Mix Bus, Drop it into Sudio One and after adding Vocals , I run everything Once through My Analog Rack and SoundCraft XL7II and Back into my UAD Volt 476 and Export the Whole Master out at 88 to 96 htz and you have a Grammy Award Winning Master....
Thats alot less steps and a really faster and efficient work flow.....
Upgrading your Computer to Run Nebula and Aucustica Audio Saves you so much time and money.....
Many Acustica plugins sound nothing like the hardware. Shockingly different actually. At least the couple of units that I own.
When I used analog gear back in the days I would just set and forget on all gear apart from the eq and faders
Please make a review of the BSA Reviver
Hi
When you use your real plate reverb, how or do you duck the reverb so the tracks don’t get buried when using a deep reverb?? I bought a very nice outboard hardware reverb and trying to figure this out.
Thanks!
I have real plate. Honestly I don't do this but I understand the problem. In my case if too much, I simply lower verb, high/low pass more or don't use it. Sometimes it is too large and grand.
@@davestanley357 Thanks. I have wondered how all the studios in the past dealt with this. We are spoiled by the in the box ability to duck reverb. One real advantage to plugins.
Can you please do a vid on the new wavestheory equalizer?
I'm with you on the upgrading of the 500 series format. It would be awesome to play around with different modules with more freedom.
Phenomenal review. Really communicates what it does. I’ve heard that Bettermaker is supposed to be the only one who is allowed to do this plugin control thing. Maybe Wes Audio invented another method that doesn’t intrude on Bettermaker’s patent.
Fantastic, this machine is a beast.
Interesting take. Have you tried the Analog Heat +FX. Compresor, Analog saturation, automation via LFO’s and Envelopes and it can store presets.
Did try it, long time ago... Should be a video about it somewhere...
@@Whiteseastudio that’s the old Analog Heat. The Heat + FX has dedicated compressor, side chain filtering and effects. But the compressor is extremely good. You should give it a try
I would love to see a review of the new wavesfactory plugin, called Equalizer, your thought is important to see different perspectives! Great video tho👏
I wonder if there is a market for taking old analog gear and converting it (and making it more expensive) to hybrid. Too bad there is still supply chain issues with microchips
That would be soooo cool!
$3'000, though.
I'd buy it if I had that kind of money for such things, but I wish there were cheaper options.
About $1'400 for the ng76 FET compressor, though. Also digitally controlled.
Could you use this for tracking as well? Maybe a vocal?
Yes, the more can do the less
So, are you going to test MCDSP's APB someday then? 🙂
This is some darn hot unit as well
Nice. I'll take 3 👍🏽
You're certainly right about recall in a plugin form if you're using analog hardware. Wes and Tegeler (that's a few I'll list) have been resourceful with this technology. I just hope you don't review those plugins with snake oil... just kidding xD Good content!
the Softube Weiss DS1 MK3 Comp gives you this Exact Sound for $300 alot more affordable
For abc comparison I would just buy three of them…..if I could afford it.
Hold my beer...
I deny.
Do we really need any more gear?
No
@@Whiteseastudio I agree this is encouraging for analog, but digital is so good these days.
"Humans never do the exact same thing . . ."😂 nice!
*Snake Oil?*
Böss compressor....😁
You don't like taking pictures 😀😀?
Autogain? But you have two hands?!?!??? lol
👍🙂
I love analog, but I believe trying to use it negatively impacted my potential music career. You spend your whole life trying to set stuff up plugging in wires fixing stuff accumulating gear etc.. pain in the butt!!
"There's no denying the sound of analogue gear is still superior to digital plugins"
Grabs popcorn.
I'll believe it when you provide the proof that analog mixed music does better than digital. :)
@@gutterg0dhe literally has done more than one very painstakenly prepared audio vs digital comparison. The real Fairchild vs UAD one is a good example.... The way the subtle differences add up when used all over a mix, undeniable. The real thing was way silkier.....More depth.....
@@ramspencer5492 I already know that analog and digital doesn't sound the same, I'm just not convinced about the "superiority" of analog. It's primarily a question of taste and knowing how to work the tools, extremely few people care about the mastering process. If it sounds good it sounds good.
That is a very good point! I don't think you could ever show that and I doubt it would every be true. Comparing one piece of gear to another digital version makes sense and is valid. Analog wins in my view almost every time in this case. When a million decisions have been made through mixing, all bets are off. The 1176 comp hardware might sound better but what if the digital version was paired with an eq, saturator and deesser and whatever and used on every track which may have gotten to a better place. I love mixing mainly analog hybrid myself. It's far easier for me and more fun. Ironically I'm usually trying to copy Serban Ghennea who is all digital. I find it easier to get closer with hardware. This is just me. Most great mixers hear a sound in their head and get there whatever tool they are using. If you can do it with digital, lucky u. I personally just can't. I need my analog toys and sound better with them. This is my failing. @@gutterg0d
Hardware is too expensive as well as inconvenient. If you know what you’re doing… a compressor is a compressor, eq is an eq, saturation is saturation.
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It not “superior” it’s different, you use it differently, you use it for different purposes to achieve different things. Tell me one analog eq that perfectly sums every time and will never degrade, tell me an analog compressor that is as fully featured as something like pro c 2.
Analog is great it’s fun to use and sounds great, so does digital but they do different things and they do them well, to just say one is objectively better than the other is just narrow minded.
Mmm, patch bay routing.
Making analogue BETTER! Is that technically not possible?
😃
It is, there are a few solutions for it, however, I don’t trust that the software will be available for the next 20 years… When these digital patchbay companies become more mature, I might wanna make the switch
How's analog better than digital? (Aren't they equal?)
"There is no denying that the sound of analog gear is still superior to digital plugins." False. One can deny that. I deny that every day. I'm sorry, but this is not just an "edgy" or "provocative" statement - it's simply false.
Love the Schrodinger's cat shirt!!
Superior I don't think so. There are a ton of genres, producer, engineers who don't even want to reach for the "analog" sound. So definitely not superior for everyone!
There IS denying that the sound of analog gear is superior to digital plugins. The primary market for music is what? 17-27? 17-34? There’s an assumption by older “experts” (I’m 47 this October) that analog sounds “better”. Different? Depends on which gear and which emulation. But to the extent that there IS still a “difference” between analog components and a digital emulation thereof, it is not only biologically LIKELY that people 40 plus prefer that analog “difference”, it’s likely. In theory, what we hear regularly between in our youth forms neurological structural systems that seek that out. This is largely why as we get older we become cliches: “The 💩 the kids these days listen to is 🗑️! THAT’s not music! THIS (Nas, Wu, Dilla, REM, STP, Boyz II Men) is ‘music’!” But those artists were the same 🗑️ our parents mocked because it wasn’t music, like “Frankie Beverly, Stevie, Arefa, Lutha, Teddy…” because THAT music was what THEIR brains adapted to neurologically.
At the tail end of their era, I was a kid. I would hear the Neve/SSL board, Studer 880 style mixes on Vinyl. If you black and in your forties, it’s “Sunday Clean the House” music, that “late night ride home car stereo music when ya dad wouldn’t let nobody touch the cassette player” sound.
So what do I grab in the lab to craft an instrumental or mix that tugs at the nostalgic side of the consumer? Well, as a middle aged black man who had some success in the rap game in his twenties, maybe a vintage processor or some vinyl crackle samples that get faster and faster, some wow/flutter, maybe some Roll off at around sixty, and some NY style compression and - you guessed it - a neve or SSL style console emulator and go boom bap crazy. Plenty MPC and SP 1200 kits too.
THESE kids? They grab a bit rushed and maybe something that emulates lossy compression to craft a “sample” sound for lo fi. They grab stock ableton kits and FL. Their vinyl is the sound of Napster, because as kids, they heard US play our MP3’s. Usually converted, written to cd-r, ripped from that, traded, written to cd-r, no cassettes, no vinyl - THAT is their childhood rose colored glasses nostalgia.
And it’s not the sound of Analog. At ALL. THEY don’t think analog sounds better because they haven’t been conditioned to think so like we were. And you won’t hear of too many young engineers be conditioned to pretend that they can hear the difference between a 320kbps Mp3 and lossless like many of us SWEAR that we can (we can’t. There are online double blind tests to prove it. You CANNOT.)
So who’s right? Audio engineer traditionalists or the yout dem?
Sad news: it’s not us. We for early borrowed the position of “trendsetting tastemakers” from the unwilling members of the previous generation as is our right. We didn’t understand why the old folks were so adverse to our rise. They were CORNY! They HAD to know they wer CO-
You’re corny. 🤷🏽♂️
I’M corny. I’m a savant street dancer and can do any dance a young popular dancer can do. Les Twins? Kida? I can do anything I see. Part of my autism (as is talking too much) but if my middle-aged self were to upload a vid of me doing the dopest 💩 ever, then it’s not dope anymore. THAT’S corny.
Time forces the retirement of universal “cool”, and we are confined to the Shady Pines Corny Facility (and if you caught that pop culture reference, you CORNY! And should schedule a colonoscopy and look into centrum silver).
We no longer are the authority. Our know how defines NOTHING, theirs does. Our legends were legendary in THEIR twenties, not thirties, not forties. We get to fall back and craft brilliant mixes to sound like what THEY like. Our “know-how” doesn’t define a sound, it ADVISES it.
Personally, I enjoy making the hottest rap beats of 1997, and there’s a market for that. I ALSO can flip it and make classic Crunk.
But I better know the difference between boom bap and crunk versus Lo Fi and Trap.
You can make bangers with next to nothing, all you need is a way to record sound.
But the thing with analog is that it makes it easier to make things sound less clinical, and all music benefits from that (specially the more monotone genres). Experienced producers knows this, no matter what age they are.
Analog is not better because you can't make digital sound good, it's better because it saves time that can be used to move further with the production. The worst enemy in music production is the repetition, it will easily kill anyones inspiration. I get sick of my loops every time I work on them so when choosing to either spend hours tweaking that ambient drone track to perfection with plugin automation or 10 minutes on running it in a tape loop to make it less fatiguing, the choice is usually not that difficult.
Digital is superior my friend, analog always means degradation of quality, more and more THD sums up ! Digital has more soundstage, depth and clarity with it. Or are you talking about mics and preamps ? No, i think. But at least you are taken serious between a lot of impressive gear, a dick enlargement is cheaper by the way, hahahaha
Just Stop Analog Oil.
im done. steven wilson is too far away from his roots by now. 😜
pretty amazing....Whats the guts look like?