Long Way Up Is Over: Final Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The single most anticipated adventure ride show of the past decade has ended. With all the chatter around the series from Harley Davidson and @Rivian involvement to the choice of the Livewire and the support needed for electric vehicles, this trip has had more than its share of good and bad press. The show is over now and we have a few thoughts about how LWU stacks up against its predecessors.
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Chad, finished this morning. Sigh. This ending was much like the ending of Long Way Round, for me. Here we are in Alaska, suddenly pulling into New York (granted there is a lot of flat slab between). Beautiful camera work, and drone footage (just ordered a DJI Mini 2 for myself). As I said on Fbook, classic Charlie and Ewan interaction. Very enjoyable. I felt both Central America and Mexico were basically afterthoughts. I agree, why all that work on the bus? Where'd the Transit van and generator truck go? What were Russ and Dave doing on the bus? Rivian... Hats off to those folks! The financial risk they took in the hope of marketing their trucks (similar to the risk and WIN BMW got from Long Way Round, while KTM is kicking itself for missing the chance to define long range touring). Certainly, I thought Long Way Up should end in Deadhorse, AK (I feel somewhat cheated that it ended in LA, for obvious marketing reasons). I would like a separate "tech section" on how they kept the Rivians and bikes charged. The Rivian folks figured out how to charge the bikes in 2 hours off of the truck battery, great (gives me faith in their engineers for sure)! How are the trucks charging? If the bike can only go 90-ish miles on a charge, how do 200+ mile days go. Those tech issues are things I want answered. One might try to run a comparison between Noraly (Itchy Boots) vs. Charlie and Ewan. They are completely different and shouldn't be compared. In watching Itchy Boots on her way up, I was curious how she will eventually solve the Darian Gap and the criminal risk associated with some of those countries. Hopefully we find out once COVID stops. In the end, I enjoyed it. I have no desire to buy a 900 lb adventure bike that only goes 90 miles before charging 6 hours (I went with the 690 Enduro to cut 100 lbs of weight from my KLR). I would think about a Rivian if there was more information about how it could perform towing a travel trailer...
I didn't even remember the quick finish of LWR but you are right. They seemed to skip over a lot of the remainder of land. I kind of get it in the States as it feels pretty far from adventure when they leave Russia but I am surprised we didn't see more Alaska and Canada to close out the trip. Same is true of LWU, I don't need to see the States but to skip most of Mexico so we can see you build a bus seems ridiculous.
I do agree it felt rushed. I was also disappointed at the lack of Claudio. He was obviously there doing the cinematography. But I missed his being a part of the adventure.
For sure. I think he should get his own show because I know I would watch.
@A Smith There's an interview with Claudio on the ADVRider channel and he talks about getting his gas can stolen on multiple occasions but he still doesn't explain why he was so absent in the series. I guess the interviewer didn't want to be rude. Sucks we may never know what the deal was.
The Claudio absence was just so weird. They even made a point of decorating his bike and yet like you said, he was barely featured the whole series and not mentioned **at all** in the final episode if I recall correctly. He is a hugely likeable person and to leave him out seems wrong both from a storytelling and from an honesty angle. The ONLY reason I could think was because he was on a gas powered bike and they thought that somehow detracted from their electric bike focus. Otherwise I can't explain it. Really hurt the show, and added to the mysterious gaps involving the Rivians and other stuff right up to the end that made the show seem the least genuine so far.
Fantastic and thoughtful review. Not as raw as the original but I think you hit the mail on the head with technology improvements. I also missed seeing Claudio!
Maybe they will give a fourth try and give us what we really hoped for with this one.
I agree with the views expressed in the video certainly. I did enjoy it though. Also the prep episode seemed quite sparse. We’ve seen that twice before with them of course it’s not going to be too different I guess.
I’m hoping that they do a DVD/Blu Ray release with “extended footage” episodes like the first 2!
There is an 83 minute video released on UA-cam from the Long Way Up channel of just riding footage if you want to check that out. I enjoyed the series as well but it was certainly a much different type of trip and I do think they could have done it better. It was good but I would have liked some different choices.
I enjoyed the series overall. The 4K, the drones, the story. The bus killed it for me, and so did taking the long flight and towing Ewans bike so far. I would brought the HD techs to the bike. Either way it was a big accomplishment. Its not easy any way you slice it, and electric makes it that much harder. I love this series and the cast and will watch whatever they do next.
I will as well but I do hope they learned a lot from the many fans out there that felt this one didn't quite hit the mark.
I can not imagine they didn’t have a generator on petrol in the jeep. It is the logical thing to bring in case you run out of juice in the middle of nowhere. Is the electricity in Mexico special from the rest?
They definitely had those things and I am glad they were very open about how they did this trip.
@@BeGoneForGood Where did they open up? Is it on youtube?
You can find it on Apple TV.
@@BeGoneForGood Terra incognita for me chromecaster.:)
I have been putting off watching this and I think I am just not going to bother. I am just going to keep the fond memories of the first two. I think I will just be raging at the screen the whole time especially with the Mexico episode. I hope they will do another episode on real bikes but if not I don't want to ruin my warm and fuzzy memories.
Just go back and watch LWR again to keep the warm and fuzzies.
@@BeGoneForGood I have it on DVD and I kept it... But I don't even own a DVD player or a computer with an optic drive anymore lol. 😂 But I can't bring myself to throw it away.
Hold on tight. One day they will be like vinyl records and come back into style.
I enjoyed the series but I have to admit the last episode was a let down the bus was a mistake they have been in more dangerous situations but who drove the rivians through Mexico 🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏴
Great questions and I never really even considered the whereabouts of the Rivians. I really wish they wouldn't have taken the bus.
I didn't really follow this last series at all. Long way down was bad enough so I didn't have any interest at all in Long Way Up. The fact they were on electric bikes with Rivians for support is just a climate change PR stunt. I think this sealed the deal I won't bother watching another one unless they somehow decide to get back to the basics and it is a real adventure again. There are some youtubers out there riding around the world on 2 wheels that are doing it better than these guys now. I hope if they do decide to do another one of these they get back to the basics of these motorcycling adventures, otherwise just call it quits. They are being shown up by you tubers as this point.
It does lost some of the adventure magic with the improved technology....
Totally agree. Give me gritty any day.
Ultimately, while the bikes did make the journey, they did not complete the trip on electric power - which i thought was a complete failure.
You mention the fact that they completed a portion of the trip with the bikes on the bus during the night, while charging off generators on the roof. Not to mention the times they put the bikes on a plane or boat.
Several times the Rivians had to get tow-charged from another gas or diesel vehicle and they treated that like "free" power. Anyone that understands physics knows it's not free, but rather creating additional drag and fuel costs for the tow vehicle. Essentially stealing power from the donor. They didn't mention it in the show, but I hope those that towed them were well paid for their fuel.
Overall I was generally disappointed.
I agree. It just wasn't a good representation of the adventure we were expecting. It went too fast and spent too much time on things that didn't have a lot to do with the trip itself. Good effort but I hope they learn and do better with the next one.
@@BeGoneForGood It might be awhile before there's a next one: Ewan just had another baby with his new woman (wife?). Also there's not too many more "long" trips to do that bikes are the perfect answer for. They pretty much did the perfect trifecta (even if the last series was a pretty big letdown/sellout).
Yeah I imagine they kept Claudio out because he wasn’t on an electric vehicle...they did keep talking about decorating his bike so they definitely enjoyed him being there but the actual end product didn’t do him justice as part of the team. I think the whole bus thing was just David’s idea and as we saw several times throughout the series when David has an idea he just runs with it regardless of what the team says and they are all nice enough to let him do it. Kind of like when he drove away after the brake failure accident and everyone was like well he’s going so I guess we have to follow.
Yeh, if that is the case then it is a great example of one member of the team ruining it for the rest because the bus thing was a real bummer.
The exclusion of Claudio kind of told me everything I needed to know:
This was about the bikes, not the adventure.
@@lovelessissimo Yes, primarily a commercial for HD and Rivian. But we kinda knew that was what it would be. They more or less said that w/o those mfg
support this vid series would not have happened. Like all the gear in the sprinter
and at one point having to hire a generator. This being said, it does do a lot to
promote EV's in general. I guess asking them to go LA to NYC would be kinda
anti-climactic. I have been running a modded Currie E-Bike for 12years and watch
Transport Evolved and such. The bus thing, yeah, sucked. And it would have been
nice to see a bit more of the countryside but time and the ppl paying the bills..... \o/
@@n3glv all in all, this is a hollow shell of what was once a great adventure of a series. I hate the cliché of "they are just sellouts", but it very much is just that. They lost their way.
Let's put it this way: not only does this not make me want an electric bike, but it also doesn't get me excited to go ride and explore. I not naive to the point where I believed everything I saw on LWR, butbThe whole point of Long Way was to have an escapist adventure and live vicariously through the screen. But now it's this sad, highly produced pander that is obviously nothing more than a money grab and riding the coat tails of past success. Sad.
@@lovelessissimo Yes, if you expected a travelogue that is not what the money people paid them to make.
If you expected a feature length movie that
has prototype motorcycles and two prototype electric trucks, with some incidental flora and fauna tossed in, then
you got what you paid for, unless you paid itunes for a subscription just to watch this one show.
I viewed the selection of electrics as Ewan putting his money where his mouth was and found the process interesting as the warm-up to the expedition..
That said, I agree about missing Mexico, and the bus seemed like a deus ex machina to end the series. And well, since they introduced it, where is the bus now? and what happened to everything; how did the Rivians fare and did Rivan and Harley learn anything useful?
All great questions and maybe if we are lucky enough, they will invite the whole cast back like The Bachelor for a tell-all. That would be really funny.
Yeah, the Mexico episode was very lacking. Good point about Claudio.
It just seems weird to virtually cut out a significant member of the team without any real reasoning.
I did not enjoy this one at all. 5 years ago, I rode from Bogata, Columbia south to Ushuaia, and loved it. Went 37,000 km over 3 months. My biggest negative of this series is they did not show any of the fantastic scenery of South America. Columbia was gorgeous, as was Patagonia, and neither area was covered as it should have been. One last miss was Macchu Picchu, which I found amazing, and they did not give it much coverage. Lastly, I agree that the last episode with the bus was simply stupid and boring. I did not mind the HD Electric bike emphasis, but would never consider the bike a good choice in SA, especially when it was cold. As I said, the HD part was OK, but I would have enjoyed the two guys on GS’s more, but that was not the biggest miss.
I think they gave good coverage to Machu Pichu.
Not at all. There is so much more to see there. Could have been two hours. The place is incredible. The capability the Incas had in the 15th century was amazing. I spent 5 hours there. But I am an Engineer.
The crazy thing is that I think they cut a lot of the "travel" stuff to concentrate on the electric bike thing which felt way too forced.
Let's be honest, nobody wanted the electric bikes but Ewan. It completely showed up their obvious limitations, and I don't buy that they solved the issues later on.
Claudio was left with the wrong bike too.
Yeh, it did seem a little forced but I liked the changes. It wasn't the same trip and doing it a little different was a nice option. I just don't know if the execution was as solid as it should have been.
Itchy Boots is much better!!!!!!
Totally agree.
I also have an almost identical take on the likes and dislikes of the LWU. Overall it was good entertainment.
Yes, Mexico was definitely an anti-climax unless they felt being celebrities they could be a lucrative target for gangs esp in the age of social media when everything is out in the open! As for Claudio, unlike the earlier 2 series, he was on a different bike and which ran on fossil fuel, so probably they wanted to focus more on the Electric bikes and showed him less. Similarly, for not covering more of each country, since the charging was the biggest challenge, looks like they just did it on the most ideal route for that. I am guessing its just to encourage people and probably 10 years from now when the charging infrastructure is more advanced, maybe they want people to appreciate how these guys did in 2020....something like how we now ride with Google Maps & gadgets etc and say how people did it 30-40 years back!
It was just a strange way to close the show and felt like a bit of a cop out right at the end.
Overall ok-ish. The bus thing at the end was more like "un "reality TV
Great point. Such a weird sticking point for the show.
There are many kidnappings in Mexico and kidnapping an international superstar actor would be significant, therefore insuring the crew through that hostile environment must have been impossible and simply not worth the risks for all those involved. Why risks being kidnapped? For a show? Really? No, you take a bus a get home safe. Period
It would seem like a travel series given those constraints probably wouldn't be a great idea then, huh? It was a ridiculous way to finish out this series and pushes a stigma that Mexico doesn't deserve any more than Chicago, LA, New York or Detroit.
I've watched long way round countless times, a real boys adventure but Ewan blew it for me on long way down when he invited his now ex wife along. Hes far too luvie for real adventure now. Dont think I will even bother with this one. Itchy boots and others are way better.
Oh man, I only saw Down for the first time lately. A complete Yoko Ono job he pulled on the band. I salute Charley for his restraint.
@@DerekTJ exactly, I'd have left him and his mrs well and truly behind
Yoko Ono...that is hilarious. I didn't mind the addition in LWD but this run wasn't my favorite.
I watched it and was entertained...but it disappointed. As punishment they should be forced back to Tierra del Fuego with new BMWs or HD's new Pan Americans, one support van and forced to do it again. And no more putting the bikes in planes for Christ sake or bus rebuilds. What was their budget anyhow? Best part of the series for me was when Ewen's daughter met up with him in Costa Rica. That was beautiful.
All, I love these videos, but effective today, based on UA-cam's
fascist censorship, I am unsubscribing and canceling my UA-cam account.
If you show up on Rumble. I'll be there!
Sounds like a plan. Maybe I should get another account. ;-)
Be Gone For Good lbry will mirror your UA-cam channel. Lots of my favorite UA-camrs are also on lbry.
Thank you very much for the recommendation. I might have to check it out.
Thanks a lot for your comments and analysis. I completely agree with you. It’s really sad that we don’t see more this great guy Claudio. By the way in a recent interview he said that in this project he has not even been involved in the editing process... so he remains as a basic cameraman’s while we all know that he fully took part of the adventure. In the end, with this rush to go out of Mexico with this famous bus, in addition to what you mentioned I fell uncomfortable with all the money they have probably spent to have this bus set up and a driver that worked for hours to the border... we don’t even know what happened to it. The problem is that it looks like a ‘caprice’, as others (electric thing, ...), and I can’t identify myself in that adventure for this reason. I think the production cost was much higher this time, and maybe not enough episodes to show us more about the countries, the people, as we had in the first series. Cheers.
I had heard some issue with Claudio and his personal life as they would have been editing so it might not necessarily be that the team cut him out. Either way, it wasn't a great showing.
I´m from Mexico and i feel that the whole cartel/kidnap/get killed drama was way too much, they missed the beautiful coastline of Oaxaca, some nice cities along the way, they could have taken the ferry to La Paz and drive north in Baja California, instead they went with that stupid bus and taking the worst route to the border, they need to do a "Long way in Mexico"
As someone who made a similar run in 2017 and heard all measures of scary stories from so many different people that hadn't been there, I thoroughly agree with you. They missed out on an entire country of experience. That, of course, is completely their prerogative but it isn't much of an adventure to bypass massive amounts of your travel on a bus, at night.
I've watched Around and Up, and the first episode of Down. What I got tired of is how their production really overplays the drama, every time.
I don't need a fourth. I dont need to see celebrities traveling with a full support crew making a spectacle of themselves and hyping the drama.
I'd much rather watch you all, Lyndon Poskit, Sterling Noren, ItchyBoots, or Tim Collins. Give more money and more attention to those channels and those people who are doing an authentic travel logs and representing accurately the people and places they're traveling through.
That is a great point. There is so much great content out there right now but guys and girls grinding it out on true adventures, this feels a little trite.
Great review, especially about Claudio not present as much! And Mexico was basically left out. They must have had schedule change.
Yeah, this could have been an easy 100 if they kept the series similar to the previous two. Instead, they changed things up and I think they missed the mark by 10-20%. It is a shame too because we won't see another one.
the series should last at least 15 episodes, 11 seems too short.
Especially with that brisk trip through Mexico. I am always open to more episodes but this whole project seemed a little forced.
The editing killed it for me. I learned very little about the places the went through. Seemed very rushed.
Very true. It did seem very rushed for no really good reason.
Great review. I had many of the exact same impressions. Still they are all very charismatic people and fun to watch as they go through their adventures, even if they seem way more canned and manipulated this time around. Charley and his idiocy will always be fun too, as long as he doesn't kill himself.
Great video. I fully agree with everything you've said.
My assumed answer to this is that they were perhaps trying to do too much with regards to content ie. bike team, support crew, harley, rivian, charging etc. So much so that the actual travelling through each country suffered. A glimpse of the original two series was early on, when they found themselves eating with welcoming families that couldn't speak English. In addition (and no doubt this is money related) but its sad that after the efforts put into filming something like this, and the fact that it is streamed with no TV scheduling constraints etc that there weren't simply more episodes. Especially as a high percentage of the viewship would have definitely been hungry for more.
That is a really good point. They could have made this longer without any issues but chose to breeze through some of the most interesting parts to keep it at 12 or whatever.
I totally agree 100 percent , great at first but so so disappointed with the last few episodes, I really hope this isn’t the last trip they do because it’s not even close to the first two and would hate this to be the lasting memories of the LWR and what in all honesty made me take my bike licence for the adventure experience . Fingers crossed 🤞
Me too and I am hopeful for a return to what we all expected.
A good review of the series and I completely agree with the points you made, both good and bad, I certainly couldn’t understand why we finished with the conversion of a bus! As you say it left me feeling that the final episode was a bit of a strange finish sadly. Like you I enjoyed the series because of Ewan and Charlie but re watching the first two series have made me realise how much better they were..... Like you I still hope they do another trip in the future! 👍 .... (PS re Claudio check out the great interview with him, also on UA-cam, which gives a great insight into his story! 😊)
Link to Claudio interview.... it’s feature length so settle down with a bit of time to enjoy 👍 ua-cam.com/video/8nClixP-bcM/v-deo.html
Thank you so much for the link. That is a really fun thing about these UA-cam channels because we have so much more access to fringe content. It makes finds like this so much more fun.
Think you hit the nail on the head with this one, good show, but ruined by the last episode.
Charlie is no stranger to fighting through pain, check out his 'Race To Dakar' series.
I too was disappointed at the lack of Claudio, to me he is the unsung hero of these shows and on this one riding a Sportster ! 😲 Just proofs you don't need an adventure bike to go on an adventure.
I completely agree. Feel a bit disappointed. And the 'bus' part was so lame!
So lame. It wasn't that I didn't enjoy the series but it just wasn't as good as I think it could have been with just a few different choices. One of them would have been to ride through Mexico. ;-)
@@BeGoneForGood I agree. Was expecting more, and was left feeling like "is that it?". Still, there were parts which were really good.
For sure...Claudio's work and the drone shots were incredible. I'd almost just use this series for screen saver material.
Long way up was a huge disappointment, it really was shite. The last episode being the biggest let down. The thing with the bus was just ridiculous. Think the older they get the worse they get.
I kind of have to agree with you. I don't know if it is an age thing or just some of the choices they have been making. Unfortunately, I think this is going to be the end of the series.
@@BeGoneForGood yep. I think age is the main factor (which it would be in their situation), they are naturally more cautious as the recognise their families more, wealth, everyone slows down as they age. Other factors are politics, finances and controlling issues from HD, Apple TV etc etc.
I was really disappointed with the lack of spontaneity, lack of showing more culture and more scenery of places they visited. Also they didn’t involve themselves much in anything or involve locals more. Very stale series, compared to their other expeditions this one was too orchestrated, it had to be for the sake of charging vehicles but I didn’t feel the enjoyment in this one like the others.
I mean look at the route they took.... that’s the best they could put together 🤷🏼♂️
I hate to say it but I really agree. It just didn't have the same magic for whatever reason.
Love the honesty brother. I look forward to giving it a watch. It sounds like the production might have washed it out a touch. If so, I totally get it.
Good luck and we would love to know what you think when it is all over.
Nice summary.
Glad you think so!
It was ok, not great, like you stated.
That is the unfortunate thing because I think it could have been great, even with the electric bikes. It just didn't quite make it happen.
I'm sure there is a TON of footage that got left out, so fingers crossed they'll be that on whenever they release the series on DVD. Another thing to consider (when it comes to the final product) is the editing: Who had control? Did Apple have ultimate say? Were there unforeseen parameters we don't even know about?? I'd bet dollars to donuts the answer is a big fat YES.
That is a really good point about the rest of the creative team involved in this process. I would think the boys would have a lot of input but they might not make the final determinations. Whoever did it, this didn't go as well as I would have hoped.
i agree that the Mexico part of Long Way Up was a bit of a disappointment. I watched this partly because I was curious about electric bikes. The series did a good job of showing the limitations and the positive attributes of electric bikes. I recently bought a Zero electric bike just to be an early 'experimenter' with this 'new' technology. Overall, the show was different from its predecessors. My photography background tells me it was the best. My motorcycle travel background says it came in third in the series of three.
This is a really great point. The photography and videography part of me really loved the beauty of this run. I was really excited about the electric bike stuff too and I am glad they were pretty honest about the limitations and issues with the bikes in long term travel. I don't think they did as good of a job building the story and experience on this run. I wish they would have gone back a little old school and run the electric bikes as a whole different trip. Nit picky for sure but the first two were such a great ride for many of us.
I enjoyed it, mostly the cinematography and the friendship between Charlie and Ewan. Back in the day, before YT, Around and Up gave people inspiration and a view into the ADV world. These days there are tons of people online showing it “raw.” It was nice to have something that even my motorcycle hating wife could sit down and enjoy.
That is a good point. Maybe it wasn't really made for the "hardcore" ADVers out there but instead to bring the adventure to a broader audience.
1. Claudio wasn’t shown much because he was on a gas Sportster and they wanted to showcase the EV bikes.
2. Same reason they flew through countries. It was about charging the bikes.
3. The bus? The producer panicked about the cartels kidnapping Ewan. Right or wrong? I don’t have a clue.
Still I enjoyed the show. Great videos. Loved the people they met. Ending was rushed.
This is a really solid recap and I can't say it was bad. I enjoyed the show but it went from AWESOME in LWR and even LWD to 'meh' in this latest LWU.
All in all I can’t think of another streaming series where I spent 3 straight nights watching this many episodes. After watching Baldy’s interview with Claudio I have great respect for him. Obviously a significant contributor. Maybe the most.
Very true. I wish he had been more a part of this series as he was a real character in the other seasons.
I share your feedback about lack of Claudio. It was bizarre...
Truly and I hope he bounces back into the next one...or gets his own show.
Yeah, the bus episode was ridiculous.
Very much so and it made the ending feel so abrupt.
Totally agree about the bus. People interested in this show ride motorcycles, not drive busses.
Great point. It was an unfortunate choice.
That seems a bit strong but I had hoped for more from the team.
Not the same when they were riding bemeers seemed to be more magic 🪄
It had more magic and more relevance as well. I don't drive a BMW but I could make the first two trips on my bike. I could do this one the way they did which feels foreign.
Actually, they only went half way up. Would love to see them go all the way north.
Hell, I would have liked to see them go halfway. ;-)
That bug out of Mexico was a real disappointment.
@@BeGoneForGood Someone mentioned that it might have been due to Ewan getting that gig with Disney and they had to cut the trip short or something. Who knows.