The Best Way to Learn Japanese with George Trombley of
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
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What's the best way to learn Japanese? I decided to ask a UA-cam teacher, George, to get his views on this subject.
0:00 - How did George go about learning Japanese?
2:21 - What was George's motivation to learn Japanese?
3:59 - The problem with learning kanji in the beginning.
7:49 - How George became interested in learning Korean.
9:13 - Great Japanese learning content.
12:03 - Great Korean learning content.
14:27 - George Trombley's goal to be "the next Steve Kaufmann"!
George on UA-cam:
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George's recommendations:
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Yes. There needs to be a level of internal motivation.
You guys got to do this again! This could have easily gone for an hour. I didn’t want it to end.
Yeah, it was a pity how it ended. I need more
They have a video on George’s channel and it’s an hour 40 minutes!
"Language is a tool, not an art to master"
"You don't have to strive for perfection"
I feel like this is a reference to Matt vs Japan, where he prefers to completely master one language. There is nothing wrong with treating a language like an art to master. That's what he likes to do. And you two like to be good enough in many languages. Neither is wrong. Some people love the art and that's ok.
I believe that language is a tool and art, maybe even a tool that can be used for art. They don't exclude each other.
If for example visual art evokes emotion and can be experienced in its different forms why can't language be?
やはり、興味や好きなものを持つこと、は原動力になりますね。そして継続は力なり、ですね！
I have been studying with George's Japanese from Zero books and website for years. It is a very good system. He's also right about motivation - you have to have a good reason for studying a language. If you don't, it's very hard to keep going through the tough times and learning plateaus. It's very much like learning a musical instrument - you have to love it and you have to be prepared for a long haul.
I contend that George should learn French next. With a last name like Trombley - get in touch with your ancestry George!
I say a similar thing to George 言いたいことを言えるまで、言えることを言う。Until you can say what you want to say, say what you can say.
I don’t know if I should listen to the interview or stare at George’s shirt. 😁 Great interview, Japanese is a language I would love to learn. One day I will begin on what I know will he a lifelong journey. 👍🏼
🤣🤣
Yep. That shirt is louder than his voice. Lol
I’ve learned Japanese for 3 months, I can say It’s very difficult because there’re a lot of grammar rules that you need to memorize. Some of them and some subjects don’t have certain patterns, must memorize mechanically. For instance, date, number etc. It really discourages me. I think It requires a lot of exposure to acquire it.
George has got some good drip for sure lol
Excellent and inspiring video... thank you Steve!
I've been looking forward to this video! I'm a huge fan of both Steve and George. Both have amazing advice when it comes to language learning.
My 2 favorite language channels, Great video! When I saw the title i knew i was gonna watch the whole video lol
Steve you're such a good interviewer, and George your enthusiasm to share knowledge it's very encouraging. I really enjoyed this interview. I might be one of the few that find struggling and making mistakes as motivation to continue pursue something. I agree with George in a 100% that getting the language from music, TV/Streaming shows and radio shows or podcasts, has a huge impact in the learning process. I feel so comfortable typing in English because I can express myself as I'd in my native language, however, sometimes I struggle to verbally communicate my thoughts, but that may be because outside of work I don't have many opportunities to speak with people outside the IT field. As a consequence my vocabulary can get biased towards that field, that's why I consume content of my other interests in English. Regardless the language we shouldn't feel dumb for not knowing how to say something, because not even in our native language we know everything.
I love Steve's smile when girls were mentioned
He just recall those 9ys in japan😂😂
That's a imp point to note out.
People think that you are dumb just because you can't speak their Language but they forget that they gonna face same consequences when they would use a foreign language too,,, So always be a humble person.
Respect other people's effort. 🙌
Cozy Up is on youtube with auto CC. Since they speak clearly and naturally it's pretty accurate. Great find thanks
Great discussion, but a rather abrupt ending 😂
I like Steve & George because they are both humble, chill and super smart. Also they are life accomplished giga Chads that had skin in the game with their Japanese.
They seem to lack any interest in Otaku Culture, ‘systemic’ learning, Anki, Reddit wisdom or being a robot. As I watched some other time Steve had quite the lively and organic story learning Japanese (come on the guy worked in diplomacy and is a business man) and George probably didn’t lived in his room making Anki cards, he probably was making out with someone in Japanese instead (I think he even produced Japanese offspring).
Both don’t have magic formulas for language learning, I think Steve talking about the importance & joy of reading should be common sense at least from an European education view, and advocate not smart strategies but street smarts, or just plain good old engagement with languages.
If I don’t mix it up George also once said that it is very arrogant to think that westerners think they can outsmart Japanese people in learning Kanjis. In the end people are selling products and talking other products down to push their own. Well known UA-camrs are doing the same by hyping a very esoteric part of Japanese language to sell you not existing courses for not existing problems.
I also like George straight laughing at virgins in the so-called “japanese online learning community”, never saw anyone of those guys achieve anything publicly in Japan, except talking maybe about JLPT N1 which is basically a super complicated grammar quiz for foreigners that Japanese people solve in like 10-20 minutes.
My two favorite language learners unite!
Hay Steve very nice interview ur interview makes a lot of sense learning a language takes a lot of time and patience I injoy watching ur channel when I can I just started learning Chinese I would like to learn Japanese as well thanks u for ur inspiration on people wanting to learn a language
George contradicts himself here a bit where he first says that he doesn't understand people wanting to perfect a foreign language and then goes on to say that Americans are condescending towards non-native speakers who haven't perfected English to the point of passing for a native. And this is in the US that is so used to interacting with foreigners speaking all sorts of bad English. Well, here you go. This is exactly why people strive to become truly native-like in the languages they learn. And there's another reason, also mentioned by both Steve and George. You acquire a culture by acquiring a language (essentially, you develop another version of yourself in that language). When you are at a native-like level, you *truly* understand the culture and are not just scratching the surface.
This is true. They say that when you reach a native like level, you stop receiving complements because you're assumed to be fluent.
He says Americans though not himself.
@@brendon2462 Well yes. I have no doubt he's a lot more conscious than your average Joe. But this is what I'm saying: there is a lot of subconscious bias based around accent (not to mention vocabulary and grammar), as it acts as a demarkation line separating your in-group from all the out-group people. And therefore there's a very compelling reason to try and reach a native-level like fluency if you plan on living in the language you're learning. The contradiction is in George saying he doesn't understand the drive to reach that kind of level as a goal while also acknowledging that below this level a learner will not be treated as an equal.
He's talking about Americans in general, not about himself.
Great interview guys. I really loved that tribute to Laoshu at the end. His style was confusing to some people initially because he often aimed just to know a few sentences in an obscure languages, but actually that was really joyful because it opened people up who were so happy someone was speaking their language! It was a great wait to connect, he's so sorely missed.
Laoshu was the perfect example of a parlor trick
A legendary collab
My two linguistic heros!
Excellente video
i do self study and although i do not use his books, i like george as a content creator and support his books for the people who are literally starting at zero. a good resource. but the man's content is very valuable, like his adventures in asia YT channel.
What resources do you use?
George usually comes on strong and often says something in a controversial way, but I always think that the base of his language thinking is similar to how I think. If you want to be perfect, fine. But it is always okay to use language for your specific goals without being perfect. I totally agree with using new grammar and vocabulary the minute you learn it. And a lot of people who are fans of the speaking side of languages underestimate the value of semi passive listening. But listening is especially important for languages that are far away linguistically and culturally. They are going to say things in a different way or even say things that we never thought of having a word for. Soooo many times my Japanese students ask me what something is in English and we don’t even have that idea, far less that word.
Obrigado pelo conteúdo. Aprender um idioma é complexo. Mas só vence amanhã quem não desisti hoje.😃🇧🇷
Quem não desistir*/desiste* hoje.
Great interview. Do you have the links to the podcasts he recommended?
Did anyone ever find the link? I didn’t see it in the description box
My favorites
Mr. George can spoke japanese wow, i agree with him before you learning a languange love the country first, i'm so in love with japan but i haven't learn japanese languange yet.😂 Coz i want to focus on english first, but i do love japan and japanese culture. Your japanese pronunciation is very good we love japan so much.😘🇯🇵
Thanks for the video! I always love finding Korean language learners. I want to be like him. I love Asian cultures and would love to be an expert in Asian languages. I love love love Korea (use to live there) and Japan (teenage obsession like George and I wanna live there now). And I have many Chinese students so knowing a little Chinese could be fun too.
There is a UA-camr by the name of Lindie Botes who has posted her experience of learning Korean.
@@diariosdelextranjero Thanks. She is the first one I found and followed! Now following George too :)
久々にコメントします。昔、ここにコメントしてスティーブさんから返信頂き感動しました、ありがとうございます。
日本語に限らず全ての言語習得のゴールって人それぞれだと思います。ただ日本人とコミニュケーションを取る為と、資格的なものを取る為とただの趣味とか色々。そもそも捉え方が違う。でも１つだけ言えるのはその国の文化を理解しようとしない限り習得は難しいと思う。歴史を覚えろ！とは言いません。過去に日本語がそこそこ上手く"自分は勉強したから日本語わかる"と豪語してる人の動画を見ましたが、日本人の私から見ると教科書的な日本語で冷たい。そんな人とは街ですれ違って声を掛けられても絶対話したく無い、そう思いました。国民性を知る事も大切だと思います。
それと、テストの為に勉強している人以外は、漢字は読めて形を認識出来ればOKだと思います。生活には何の問題も無い。読めるなら発音は出来るはず、漢字が分からないならスマホですぐ分かる、それを真似て書けば良い。それだけです。最低限必要なのは住所を漢字で書くくらい。文法だって軽く覚える程度で十分。アホみたいに勉強することじゃない。-テスト目的でなければ- だから目標によっては漢字を書く練習は必要無いと思います。読めて意味を理解できればOKだと思います。そんなことより多聴多読をお勧めします。日本人だって漢字忘れるのに日本語分からない人が漢字覚えるって更に大変だし時には無意味かも知れない、そうも思います。
言語習得と一言で言っても捉え方は十人十色。日本人と日本語でコミニュケーションをとりたい為だけなら日本語は難しく無くなる。多聴多読で日本語真似すりゃ良いんです。日本語を覚えたい皆さん、気楽に日本語の音を楽しみながら聴いて下さい。真似て下さい。それが近道だと思いますよ。
すごい！ありがとう！😎
@13:03 intermediate level
thanks!
팟빵 has Korean podcasts for native speakers and I like having it as a passive background sound, same with Naver Now for radio.
Yes, a great site but no transcripts!!
I use his books too. 👍 write more.
Lets goooooooooo
I can't find the Juri podcast! Can someone help? Is it on Spotify?
ua-cam.com/channels/CNdTWT_W0KDdZoZbPoSQWA.htmlfeatured I think this is it. Not available on Spotify as far as I know, but I think its on Apple
Guy came across as a bit full of himself. Well done Steve for the modest response as always.
Should of done an hour there Steve i feel and gone deeper .. But great stuff as usual .
Hi Steve could you please recommend it some listening in English, because it's kind of hard for me to get it, greetings
👏👏👏👏👏
I can't believe George bought that shirt, much less wore it in public.
16:07 se refiere a matt vs japan y a su comunidad , realmente creo que como uses los idiomas es cosa tuya,tanto si buscas perfección como si nó. En mi caso con inglés y francés busco fluidez con buena pronunciación, no busco perfección ni mediocridad.En fin, es una decisión que cada cuál tiene que tomar según sus preferencias.El tal George me parece un poco lambón.
Estoy de acuerdo al 100%, porque nadie puede estar "correcto" sobre cómo aprender una lengua, pero algunas personas preferirán ser más serias sobre algo en lo que están dedicando todo su tiempo y podrían tener un objetivo determinado que quieren alcanzar y hay métodos que ayuden a lograrlo. en referencia a matt vs japan ^ me gusta su forma de hacer las cosas porque mi personalidad es organizarse y poner todo en algo, al tiempo que también me divierte. cada persona tiene que evaluar sus propias preferencias y objetivos, esta fue mi experiencia con español
:: george es un buen chico jaja pero no estoy de acuerdo con algunos de sus puntos, pero está bien
No sé ... la comunidad en general de Japanese learners es bastante pedante ....en general.
@@mr_yoshidasan
Yo igual he notado eso y también que es una comunidad muy competitiva, incluso con la gente que toma clases de japonés al estilo tradicional cuyo japonés es muy limitado. Yo me metí a clases en mi universidad porque quería créditos extracurriculares sin necesitar poner mucho esfuerzo, y siempre hay ese ambiente de querer comparar quién tiene el "mejor japonés" acompañado por supuesto de ese sentido de superioridad que ello genera; incluso a veces siento que tienen una mentalidad tipo "nosotros tomamos japonés en una universidad prestigiosa, obviamente somos los mejores hablantes de japonés de la ciudad" (pese a lo limitado del nivel).
Y pues de ahí en fuera no conozco más de la comunidad, la inmersión puede llegar a ser un camino muy solitario xd
Es algo que no se ve casi para nada en inglés
I wanna be an interpreter of japanese to chinese and viceversa, im native spanish speaker
Got a Hebrew learning ad before the video... not the language I’m onto now, but cool anyway 😎
So, JIT (just-in-time) learning is exactly what I have been preaching. And for that very reason: you establish what feels like very stable neurological pathways since you have a real urgency / willingness to activate a chunk of vocabulary and grammar and a very real context to activate it in. I found out that this method works so well that you don't need spaced repetition to retain what you've activated (in fact, this experience will lead you to reproduce whatever you acquired again and again naturally)
How often do you repeat ?
@@diariosdelextranjero So, I'm speaking from the perspective of a learner living abroad. Basically, when life forces you (or you force yourself), you need to research a subset of vocabulary and/or grammar (in context) you don't know and then go and navigate whatever situations you have at hand with that newly acquired knowledge. You would normally need to research way more than what you need to say because you also anticipate responses you need to decipher. When you go about it like that, you truly remember all that pretty much right away because there's probably a lot of factors signalling to your brain how important it all is. You will then start noticing that grammar and vocabulary around you and, subconsciously, use it in contexts where it applies further solidifying the newly formed neuron pathways. As I said elsewhere, imagine your shower breaks down in, say, Brazil. Now you need to a) talk to your neighbour from downstairs about a potential flooding; b) talk to your insurance company; c) go to a hardware store and buy stuff you barely know anything about. For that, you need to gather a lot of context-bound words and phrases like "trickle down", "seep through the ceiling", "emergency", "flooding", all sort of verbs to link it all together, some social cues to minimize the impact of the news; tons of obscure insurance-related terms you may not know even in your own mother tongue; words like "shower head", "insulation", "nut", "fixture", etc. And maybe some grammar you're missing at that. Then as soon as you've researched it, you go to the three places and activate it all as best you could. Trust me, you will remember all of that knowledge (and whatever comes up in your conversation) for life
@@Limemill That was useful. Thanks !
Yellow fever made him learn Japanese
You're going to need interesting content in the language, and lots of it.
Absolutely !
Hey Steve ,maybe you could've a interview with Julio Cesar Pereira from channel gengotaku
If you go to gengotaku's channel, you'll find an interview with Steve there :)
@@Eric-le3uu thanks
E pai ana au ki te rongo ki tēnei uiuinga.
Im concerned about Georges constant use of the word "grammar" as opposed to "vocabulary"
Are you suggesting that he meant to say “vocabulary”, or that you disagree with tackling “grammar”?
yes. im opposed if youre learning english. if japanese it can aid but! grammar is necessary to correct and its overly imposed when learning to speak.
@@tetsuyauezato5536 I’m just starting my exploration of Japanese, learning the kana.
Anime carries japanese learning tbh
Hello Steve! I 'd like you share great Arabic content for intermediate learners! Thank you 😉
Which dialect you are looking for,? and are you looking for youtube channels or articles ?
@@maa7528 Hello! I'm learning MSA and Egyptian dialect (and also English 🤷♂️). I have some youtube channels but I just need something easy to read, like short stories. However, I will be happy if you have any recommendations. Thanks!
@@Andres-mk4wr the best are the comics and BD they are available in MSA in a website called Arab comics net
What are the channels which you have
Will you list them please
What is your mother tongue?
Also there are sites of American movies with Arabic subtitles
And there are Arabic magazines about cinema
Regards
@@chandraw8571 thank you for sharing, i'll check it out! I have a lot of channels:
ua-cam.com/users/kareemelsayedvlogsvideos
ua-cam.com/channels/wCfL558ARkpJ0V_MODzjoA.html
ua-cam.com/video/xpw9AFyM0u0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Alkottaab
www.youtube.com/watch?
ua-cam.com/channels/FGYePl3N2XZSqnJJOwvJ1A.html
ua-cam.com/channels/FQRnNW7LxjMLHmfFvkTcaQ.html
ua-cam.com/channels/HNAJQwlxGjbrd62VD05Ciw.html
ua-cam.com/channels/azFScO30FKY3YoNNDfNY5g.html
ua-cam.com/channels/azFScO30FKY3YoNNDfNY5g.html
ua-cam.com/channels/TkPs2-FkcVh3IkfaQjbd6w.html
...and so on
They are mixed, Egyptian, MSA, Syrian, etc
This is a link of movies and series from many Arab counties
ramadan2021.alarab.com/
my mother tongue is Spanish from Argentina
🙂
@@Andres-mk4wr lingq has lots of stories, try to check it, I wrote 2 replies for you and they got deleted I don't know why
What stories or topics do you prefer
What is gnative language?
わたしはさんじゅうさん and one of my motivations is talking/flirting with girls 👀… そしてアニメおみます,まんがおよみます、にほんごビデオゲームおします。
I do not agree on the idea that "languages are just tools". If they were , we should strive to know and use and few of them as we can, not as many of them as we can as language lovers do...
The fact is that "with every new language you learn you get a new soul". Learning a language will change your personality and the way you think, but only if learn it to the level of fluency , that is being able to talk and listen in that language "without thinking", without effort.
That of course does not mean that you must be perfect in grammar , or pronunciation , or accent...but you have to be fluent.
If you are thinking in your native language and speaking and listening in another then that language is indeed just a tool , and a tool that ,in the age of AI, is going to become worthless very quickly...
"Now let's suppose you're not 12 or 15, and you're not chasing Japanese girls..." Well, I'm 56, and I'm still chasing Japanese girls. (Not catching, but still chasing...) But anyway, great interview and tips, guys, thanks. Greetings from Austria to Vancouver and Vegas (got family in both).
Jajajajaja
george is a good teacher but I don't like his attitude towards women
What do you mean exactly?
wtf
What are you talking about ?