Good video. Too bad about the first bow. All that hard work gone. I make a lot of bows out of chokecherry. If I split it green, invariably it will twist. Along time ago, I learned to take my chainsaw and run it down the length of the log on both sides. To keep my chokecherry from twisting, I would peel the bark off and let it dry out that way for a while. With your birch, all you need is ensuring control of your split. With weakness on both sides of the log, the split will usually follow the saw cuts. This might work well for you. Keep making bows!👍👍🏹
@@Benjamin.stevens I usually do both sides.that leaves an inch or so width down the middle and helps control the twisting while drying. As you may know most chokecherry doesn’t get very big. It’s the larger pieces I try to save this way. The saw cut is usually too wide on the smaller staves.
finno-ugric bowyers of western siberia always made their bows from two bent trunks of fresh woods -one from cembra/stone pine or spruce/scotch pine for backing which was then laminated to birch or sallow wood with glue, sinew and wrapped in birch bark, siyah was usually of bird cherry. Once the bow slats had been shaped and bound together with strings they were then dried over fire. That way the slats dried together and kept the right shape. once it had been dried the bow was glued and assembled, sometimes backed with sinew but just as often the two woods (evergreen & deciduous) were enough to give roughly 60lbs draw weight.
Thanks for making this vid. Didn't realize I could use birch for this, didn't think there were any trees around my area to make one but I will definitely be trying this now.
I have three birch staves that have been drying for 3 years. Was good to see some one else use birch! Northern bc is very limited to how wood. The only other wood is Larch or Tamarack. Good job keep the videos rolling.
Hi, you said that birch is the best bow wood in Alaska. You could also try making the bow's belly out of compression wood from pine or spruce and the back out of birch (like the Sammi) or a backing (e.g. cable, string, rawhide). Generally speaking, this is considered very heavy and it might then no longer be a selfbow, but these materials could also be used. I've heard that this compression wood has a pretty high density and can withstand a lot of compression. Perhaps you could also make a Penobscot bow, since similar bow woods to those in Alaska also grow in the area around this river, so they're rather poor bow woods. I'm currently experimenting with these things myself and will see what I find out.
Yes compression wood spruce will make a belly laminate it is much denser than birch. Like you said the finno-ugaric bows were made this way and I have done it with alaska spruce. However compression wood moves alot as it changes moisture content a bow that was tillered with heavy reflex in summer will have a deflex In winter after it sits at extreme low humidity. Then the bow will reflex again as it gains humidity. Branches on spruce do the same thing as they all have compression wood. A sinew backed two wood bow is much more difficult and time consuming to make than a heat treated all birch bow. A sinew backed heat treated birch bow would be simpler and not have the huge variances in the proformance of a two wood. bow.
Hi, yes that's right. I found the passage in the Tbb 4, Chapter 2: "But the bottom, compression side of horizontal branches can be sinew-backed, yielding first-class results."and "Compression wood shrinks or expands with MC changes 10 times or more than normal wood." Otherwise he could use Larch, which has a decent density and could work as a bow wood (Tbb 4 chapter 2: some good bows) or a antler bow, which will be my next Project.
Sami also made bows from pine branches but those had to be soaked in fish oil before use or the bow would crack -according to literary sources. I've never personally tried soaking a primitive bow in any oil to see if it becomes more bendy or not.
Interesting, I've also heard of the spruce branch bows, but I haven't heard of the fish oil. You should dry the belly briefly over the fire, but not as long as usual, otherwise it will become too brittle.
@@lordsingh3486 I'm suspecting that basically any animal or vegetable oil will do to soften a bow limb that has become too brittle to be fired. It might have something to do with the sap in softwoods as part of the traditional process of making one of those bows was to soak additional spruce or pine sap into the wood once it was shaped.
That video turned out great! It has everything a person needs to build one. Nicely done! Although I've never made a bow birch is my wood of choice for carving spoons. It has many uses.
If the bow was big enough you cold make it as heavy as you wanted. It is definitely not as good as Osage or hickory, but its availability is why it’s my first choice.
This one was 47 I believe. I have since given it away. If you make the limbs the same length as your draw length and 2” wide you should be able to make a 60 pound bow.
I made a gull wing flat bow out of what I think is birch or young wild cherry. light as hell but very big. Heat treated. It draws like 37 at 28, a really nice shooting bow. The wood is beautiful in its own way.
Love your videos! I live not far from you and have been considering building a birch bow myself for years. This may be the motivation I need to do it! Have you considered backing your bow with something like sinew?
I have not, the birch is much stronger in tension than compression. All of my bows that have failed, failed on the belly side. So I am not certain sinew would be beneficial. But prove me wrong! I’d love to see it.
It’s not hard. Most self bows shoot off the hand, like English long bows or any Native American bow do not have arrow rests. Arrow rests are a pretty new idea I think.
Thats a fine bow! I have made a few out of soft wood but none lasted very long. Does walnut grow there? Thats a fine material to make a bow that should also grow up north.
I made ultra primitive bow out of birch. I found out that bich has lots of string follow but it is decent material and easily available. You can make bow out of any tree the only real difference is the potential draw weight and total bow lenght ratio. Weaker woods create weaker bows, but they all work the same pretty much. Actually if you wanna make heavy bow out of weak wood you need to play with shorter bow and shorter draw lenght so that you get lots of weight without bending weak material too much. For Arctic bow materials mountain ash, birch and swamp pine is best stave for one wood primitive bow. My altime favourite for heavy bow is mountain ash, but for easy and straight bow pine is the number one.
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Good video. Too bad about the first bow. All that hard work gone. I make a lot of bows out of chokecherry. If I split it green, invariably it will twist. Along time ago, I learned to take my chainsaw and run it down the length of the log on both sides. To keep my chokecherry from twisting, I would peel the bark off and let it dry out that way for a while. With your birch, all you need is ensuring control of your split. With weakness on both sides of the log, the split will usually follow the saw cuts. This might work well for you. Keep making bows!👍👍🏹
Interesting! Do you run a cut down both sides of the log or just one line? I’ll give that a try.
@@Benjamin.stevens I usually do both sides.that leaves an inch or so width down the middle and helps control the twisting while drying. As you may know most chokecherry doesn’t get very big. It’s the larger pieces I try to save this way. The saw cut is usually too wide on the smaller staves.
finno-ugric bowyers of western siberia always made their bows from two bent trunks of fresh woods -one from cembra/stone pine or spruce/scotch pine for backing which was then laminated to birch or sallow wood with glue, sinew and wrapped in birch bark, siyah was usually of bird cherry. Once the bow slats had been shaped and bound together with strings they were then dried over fire.
That way the slats dried together and kept the right shape. once it had been dried the bow was glued and assembled, sometimes backed with sinew but just as often the two woods (evergreen & deciduous) were enough to give roughly 60lbs draw weight.
Thanks for making this vid. Didn't realize I could use birch for this, didn't think there were any trees around my area to make one but I will definitely be trying this now.
I have three birch staves that have been drying for 3 years. Was good to see some one else use birch! Northern bc is very limited to how wood. The only other wood is Larch or Tamarack. Good job keep the videos rolling.
I know the feeling. We don’t even have tamarack in Alaska. Best of luck!
Thank you young man. I have those trees where I live, yes there is much special about them, you taught me one more thing. Bless you!
Birch is absolutely one of my favorite trees. I think I'll try your methods here and see if I can't build one these summer! I'd love a birch wood bow.
Hi, you said that birch is the best bow wood in Alaska. You could also try making the bow's belly out of compression wood from pine or spruce and the back out of birch (like the Sammi) or a backing (e.g. cable, string, rawhide). Generally speaking, this is considered very heavy and it might then no longer be a selfbow, but these materials could also be used. I've heard that this compression wood has a pretty high density and can withstand a lot of compression. Perhaps you could also make a Penobscot bow, since similar bow woods to those in Alaska also grow in the area around this river, so they're rather poor bow woods. I'm currently experimenting with these things myself and will see what I find out.
Yes compression wood spruce will make a belly laminate it is much denser than birch. Like you said the finno-ugaric bows were made this way and I have done it with alaska spruce. However compression wood moves alot as it changes moisture content a bow that was tillered with heavy reflex in summer will have a deflex In winter after it sits at extreme low humidity. Then the bow will reflex again as it gains humidity. Branches on spruce do the same thing as they all have compression wood. A sinew backed two wood bow is much more difficult and time consuming to make than a heat treated all birch bow. A sinew backed heat treated birch bow would be simpler and not have the huge variances in the proformance of a two wood. bow.
Hi, yes that's right. I found the passage in the Tbb 4, Chapter 2: "But the bottom, compression side of horizontal branches can be sinew-backed, yielding first-class results."and "Compression wood shrinks or expands with MC changes 10 times or more than normal wood."
Otherwise he could use Larch, which has a decent density and could work as a bow wood (Tbb 4 chapter 2: some good bows) or a antler bow, which will be my next Project.
Sami also made bows from pine branches but those had to be soaked in fish oil before use or the bow would crack -according to literary sources. I've never personally tried soaking a primitive bow in any oil to see if it becomes more bendy or not.
Interesting, I've also heard of the spruce branch bows, but I haven't heard of the fish oil. You should dry the belly briefly over the fire, but not as long as usual, otherwise it will become too brittle.
@@lordsingh3486 I'm suspecting that basically any animal or vegetable oil will do to soften a bow limb that has become too brittle to be fired. It might have something to do with the sap in softwoods as part of the traditional process of making one of those bows was to soak additional spruce or pine sap into the wood once it was shaped.
Doing bow building myself.
Fortunately I found some Yew but I need to learn the borch process for sure.
Great stuff bigman
That video turned out great! It has everything a person needs to build one. Nicely done! Although I've never made a bow birch is my wood of choice for carving spoons. It has many uses.
Very nice build! Definitely subscribtion worthy channel 👍👍
You think birch will will make heavy warbows? Of course flat design. 100lb?
What u think limits are with birch?
If the bow was big enough you cold make it as heavy as you wanted. It is definitely not as good as Osage or hickory, but its availability is why it’s my first choice.
@@Benjamin.stevens What was the weight of it?
I have yellow birch.. I don't know how to make a bow according to dimensions for 60lb?
This one was 47 I believe. I have since given it away. If you make the limbs the same length as your draw length and 2” wide you should be able to make a 60 pound bow.
@@Benjamin.stevens wow! 47lb could take a deer 👍
@Benjamin.stevens what do you think I will need for a 70 lb Birch bow? Dimensions
Hey, I took your advice and came to check out your Birch bow build. I alo saw that you built a kayak. I'm checking that one out next.
New subscriber here. Excellent videos Brother! I’m sharing them.
Awesome thank you!
Great video. Cool works building it
Im looking forward to your next bow build❤
I’m working on one right now!
@@Benjamin.stevens sweet! Whatever wood specie you decide to use i want to replicate the bow
-the dowel arrow rest.... I haven't seen that trick before, I love it.
I made a gull wing flat bow out of what I think is birch or young wild cherry. light as hell but very big. Heat treated. It draws like 37 at 28, a really nice shooting bow. The wood is beautiful in its own way.
Love your videos! I live not far from you and have been considering building a birch bow myself for years. This may be the motivation I need to do it! Have you considered backing your bow with something like sinew?
I have not, the birch is much stronger in tension than compression. All of my bows that have failed, failed on the belly side. So I am not certain sinew would be beneficial. But prove me wrong! I’d love to see it.
Very nice, is it trick shooting without an arrow shelf.
It’s not hard. Most self bows shoot off the hand, like English long bows or any Native American bow do not have arrow rests. Arrow rests are a pretty new idea I think.
Good stuff man 😎👍💯🔥🏹
Thats a fine bow! I have made a few out of soft wood but none lasted very long. Does walnut grow there? Thats a fine material to make a bow that should also grow up north.
It does not but I’ve always wanted to try walnut!
I made ultra primitive bow out of birch. I found out that bich has lots of string follow but it is decent material and easily available. You can make bow out of any tree the only real difference is the potential draw weight and total bow lenght ratio. Weaker woods create weaker bows, but they all work the same pretty much. Actually if you wanna make heavy bow out of weak wood you need to play with shorter bow and shorter draw lenght so that you get lots of weight without bending weak material too much. For Arctic bow materials mountain ash, birch and swamp pine is best stave for one wood primitive bow. My altime favourite for heavy bow is mountain ash, but for easy and straight bow pine is the number one.
Try to fire harden it, I have almost zero string follow on any of my fire hardened birch. I’m excited to try mountain ash.
Can you skip The fire hardening by using electric heatgun? Or butane torch? Mountain ash has some string follow too so you might wanna harden it.
I just wanna say that It is hard to find big and straight mountain ash for stave but when you do it is Elite bow material.
Probably but I haven’t tried it.
Can you use paper birch to make a bow?
Yes, but there may be better options in your area.
So cool
I felt the pain of seeing the burnt bow.
a moose kicked that block dude. better get em.
11.55 SEE I knew it!
Birch please, i have to say it. I'm going to be 35 and that let get away with saying you are being a birch tree.
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