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What Sinks Battleships?
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In this episode, we're talking about what sinks battleships.
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In regards to the Pre-Dreadnought Battleship, absolutely do a video and I should point out that when the 1st World War started, the British Empire was in the process of phasing out the Pre-Dreadnoughts and 11 had been retired from service they were the 8 Royal Sovereign Class, 2 Centurion and 1 Renown Class Pre-Dreadnought
Like Drach says, you sink ships by letting water in the bottom, not by letting air in the top.
The world needs to see Ryan's one man play set on Battleship New Jersey! I want to see more of Ryan's sketches.
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A skit starring Ryan in every role would be hilarious.
At first I thought you wanted to see Ryan play Battleship against himself.
Seems like a waste of ambient. @@timbowden1680
How about if he plays Battleship on the Battleship?👍
Isn't beig scrapped the greatest threat to battleships?
I thought giving them to Texas was.
@infidel66687 Zing!
Every single battleship sunk had a keel laid. Ban keels!
That time a battleship was a threat to the scrappers by sinking a tugboat and beaching a ship carrying its scrap.
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Yes, a review of the pre-dreadnought sinkings would be interesting.
Kind of a funny coincidence that the 2 BBs wrecked by running aground were named after their mother country. And ran aground in their own territory.
They were homesick.
They wanted to be one with their motherlands' soil.
The entire New Jersey staff just got freaked out at the idea of multiple Ryans 😳
They do have to ship one Ryan to the International Standards Organization (ISO) for use in defining the Curator as a standard length.
@@garyd.7372I want to know if a Curator is longer or shorter than a Smoot.
The curator acting was top notch in this episode!
I love seeing Ryan "grow up" and get so much more natural in front of the camera over the years.
Great intro Ryan! The production quality of these videos is through the roof! Great job team!
Yasssss Libby, please get Ryan to include pre-dreadnaughts in a future video with statistical analysis. Perhaps compare pre-dreadnaughts to super dreadnought classed ships?
BB-29 North Dakota was almost destroyed in an accident. There was a fire in an Oil tank and it exploded. There was great effort to keep her from suffering a boiler explosion or the rest of the oil tanks exploding or catching fire.
Sure, we'd love to hear about the older battleship sinking info!
You are one of the few UA-camrs to make the in-video ads actually fun to watch.
Also, yes, please, I'd like to see the sinking statistics for the older, pre-Dreadnought battleships.
I really liked those numbers. Now I want to know more about the sinking of different ships on the list.
Fun fact: Almost all ships that have sunk have done so because the was more water inside the ship then there should be.
And the ships that weren’t sunk by having water where there shouldn’t be were sunk because there wasn’t ship where there should be
@@collinwood6573 a couple were sunk by having ground where ship should be.
Love this kind of quantitative analysis. Keep it up. Might be interesting to see how effective anti aircraft fire was. The ratio of aircraft shot down to the number that hit a ship with bombs, torpedos or crashed into it. Also ratio of bombs and torpedos launched to actual hits.
That really demonstrates why battleships went out of favor and were replaced as the center of the fleet by aircraft carriers.
Or is it because that BBs went out of favor that aircrafts sank so many?
@@kosh_odthat question doesn’t make any sense. Just because BBs went out of favor doesn’t mean that the navies would just offer them up to attack and destruction by the enemy.
According to Tully's Battle of Suriagao Strait, Fuso was sunk by two torpedoes from a destroyer, probably USS Melvin (p 152-153), not PT boats which did not score a single hit in that battle -- or apparently any time in the war on a large vessel.
I think the Pre-Dreadnaughts would be interesting.
Battleships were in many ways a romantic ships, so many incredibly powerful weapons, and big and powerful machines. Yet especially by WW2, they really became more of a tool of shore bombardment than anything else. The aircraft became so much more important a tool in that war, and the ability to inflict damage so quickly and from safe distances really made the Battleship somewhat obsolete.
It's also interesting that the list of US battleships sunk permanently is so low, and every one was in Pearl Harbor.
talking about torpedos, it would be great to see which nations battleships had the best torpedoprotection-systems
No, let me guess, Airplanes? It was probably how George Lucas got the idea of harmless little X wings destroying the Death Star.
Being in Scapa Flow
interesting analysis. Yes, talk about the pre-dreds.
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Loose Lips, yep 😅
How about Ironclads while you're at it? Hot air balloons with drop torpedoes?
I realize that in this context it has to be either one or the other, but could you explain how you listed both Musashi and Yamato as being sunk by torpedo when both were also struck by more-or-less-the-same-number-of-bombs, depending upon whose count you're using.
Bombs generally don’t sink ships unless they cause a magazine explosion. Both Yamato and Musashi sank due to flooding almost exclusively as a result of the torpedo hits.
As @collinwood6573 pointed out, it was torpedoes that opened up the hull and caused flooding that eventually sank the ships. For Yamato, the bombs mostly took out AA emplacements thereby reducing the threat to torpedo bombers, but also damaged some engineering spaces which slowed the ship down. Those both contributed to the success of the torpedo bombers and it's less likely the torpedo bombers would have been as successful without the bomb hits, but Yamato would have survived just the bombs.
That's a awesome intro Ryan, I loved your reaction to aircraft.😅😅😅
Using Richard Hough's book "Dreadnought" I analyzed all the sinkings of all Dreadnought type battleships. Fully one out of four sunk ships blew up in a spectacular magazine explosion. (Arizona at Pearl Harbor, Invincible and Queen Mary at Jutland, , Hood, Barham in the med, etc) That makes sense. You basically have a floating ammo dump being shot at by other, heavily armed ammo dumps. Lots of them were bound to blow up.
Don’t forget Yamato’s death explosion
torpedoes ,magazine explosions , scuttling charges, bad decisions
Water.
Maneuverability is still key, or why have fast battleships in the first place? Mines work to deny use of a given area for a given time; sinking is not necessary. The goal in warfare is not body count but to render the enemy combat ineffective. This was used with great effect by the VC, who laid booby traps that might harm a single soldier but rescue and medical aid would remove four more from the field -- and the rest would move more slowly as a result. Minefields, whether land or water, are a relatively cheap way to restrict passage through a given area, and so interfere with both the supply chain and the direct exercise of military might.
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It would be pretty interesting to see the same type of statistics for other capital ship types. While battleships have been primarily phased out, other ships like aircraft carriers likely have similar statistics in regards to sinkings. So, it doesn't seem to be the only type of statistic for their retiring. (Future video topic maybe?)
Thanks for all your videos - love the history and information you provide - Thank you!
Great episode. i love breaking down statistics six ways from Sunday !:-)
Great intro! Loved it
“Not having air superiority sinks battleships” Yamato
In Navy damage control training I was asked, "What sank the Titanic?" The correct answer was not an iceberg but "progressive flooding". I suspect that most battleships were sunk by the same cause.
Progressive flooding partially caused by poor design choices. The cause of collision was poor command decision.
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why is Gneisenau being included? it wasn't sunk - it was in a drydock. they actually started to repair it afterward and even brought it from Kiel to Gotenhafen (where it was eventually used as a blockship)
Liked this video a lot... Thanks!
Absolutely love to know more.
I wonder what the rankings would be like if we looked at crew losses over the various battleships, for example I can't imagine crew losses were particuarly high for vessels that ran aground, while HMS Audacious sank without any loss of life among the crew after hitting a mine.
It would also be interesting to see how the rankings change with regards to crew losses when looking at all battleships, including those only damaged and not sunk, as a badly damaged battleship might not sink but could still suffer significant losses to the crew.
You have torpedo as the cause of the Nevada being sunk. She took a torpedo at the start of the attack. Nevada got underway during the second wave. I don't remember the article I read. It was in the Ashford University online library. It's been over 8 years since reading it. It talked about the mistakes at Pearl Harbor.
One mistake was the torpedo attack. It was pretty ineffective. Of all the torpedoes, only 3 ships sank outright. California would eventually sink and the Oglala capsized after the Helena took a torpedo.
Nevada took one torpedo. She took several bombs. In the article, they flooded the wrong magazine to keep fire from igniting the powder. The way I understand it, the Nevada didn't have much powder at the time as it was being changed to a more stable explosive. Whatever the case is, they had both magazines flooded and the ship was on fire.
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Yes a review of what sank pre-dreadnought battleships would be most welcome
Seeing Ryan having so much fun in the cold open makes me smile. How was doing an intro through a door cheesy, Ryan, yet this is not? :D
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"Do not take your battleship into the Bay of Biscay." We finally have something to add to Vizzini's line from Princess Bride: "You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is, 'never get involved in a land war in Asia,' but only slightly less well-known is this: 'Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!'"
Hi Ryan, imteresting.
At the battle of the Falklands (1915) a shell from the 8 inch Derman cruisers very nearly caused a magazine flash in one of the Invincible class (can't remember which one) a hit of the type supposed to have caused the loss of the 3 battle cruisers at Jutland (Skaggerat). A lesson not learned.
Only a few battleships were sunk by individual aircraft (Tirpitz is an obvious example though 2 squadrons attacked), most were from multiple aircraft "swarming" on them.
Whats sunk most of the aircraft carriers lost?
Carriers?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_aircraft_carriers
Air planes by far, followed by subs.
Did a study and although BB can take a lot of damage it’s not super hard to silence their main batteries
Spot on. While the citadel concept for armor makes them very hard to actually sink, the upper works are fragile and it doesn't take many hits from even cruiser-caliber guns to render a BB unable to fight.
I was surprised, that no battleship (except maybe Fuso) was sunk by destroyer torpedo attack. The idea of the destroyer was the attack on the enemy battle line - and the defense against that kind of attack. Maybe we see more of this kind of attack when Ryan makes a video about Pre-dreadnought. In WW2 the role of destroyer had changed a lot from its original role.
Musashi & Yamato - torpedoes, many, many torpedoes.
Yes, do a video about the sinking of Pre Dreadnought Battleships please.
Amazing intro!
At 6:45, you stated that shellfire sank 7 battleships, but the table displayed shows 9 (Queen Mary, Indefatigable, Invincible, Bretagne, Hood, Lutzow, Provence, Bismarck, and Kirishima). Also, at 6:54 you stated that aerial bombs sank 9 battleships, but the table displayed shows 8 (Tirpitz, Ise, Hyuga, Haruna, Petropavlovsk, Arizona, Gneisenau, and Roma). At 12:08 you stated that torpedoes sank 21 battleships, but only 18 are shown on the table. Which are the correct numbers?
There do appear to be some inconsistencies between the table and the text.
Also some of the classifications are highly debatable. For example, Bismarck was almost certainly sunk by torpedoes (or scuttling), not gunfire, which just disabled it. Fuso was sunk by a destroyer, not a torpedo boat.
I'm going to just be blunt this battleship and it's epic curator are going to be the only reason I ever go to New Jersey xD
Minor addition... After world war II the Italian battleship Giulio Cesare was transferred to the Soviets as a war prize, and renamed Novorossiysk. In 1955 she was sunk in a massive explosion while at anchor. Leading theory is that she triggered a leftover German mine in Sevastopol harbor.
I’m surprised there were as many accidental explosions. Those must have been really impressive explosions
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It would also be interesting to see what damaged battleships and sent them home for repairs.
Interesting. What damage is significant enough to send it to port for repair, and what causes the damage/inoperable equipment.
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Very well done ryan maybe what was it like to live aboard the ships
Great video, Ryan. I would contend that Dunkerque was sunk by an accidental explosion rather than aerial torpedos at Mers-el-Kébir. Swordfish torpedoed the patrol boat Terre-Neuve, causing her depth charges to accidentally explode which did for the poor Dunkerque moored alongside.
If someone trying to destroy you aims a bomb at you and fires, and then the bomb explodes, and then you explode, I don't think you can call it an accidental explosion.
It's called a trick shot. Played for and got, my man. Played for and got.
Why everyone knows loose lips sink battleships! Cool video!
Ryan.
It's the red pegs ..Oh no, you sank my battleship !
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yes, id love to hear about the pre dreadnoughts,
So, no need to skill-up on Mine Sweeper. But Billy Mitchell was right.
YES please tell us more
I am going off of what I have read. Yamashiro survived being torpedoed. She did not survive getting completely pounded by a set of battleships and some cruisers. West Virginia scored a hit (16" guns) with her opening salvo from about 26,000 yards. Things got much worse for Yamashiro from that point as all American battleships except Pennsylvania proceeded to pound Yamashiro and her escorts for about 15 minutes.
Yamashiro did not survive being torpedoed, at least 2 different Fletcher class DDs scored torpedoe hits on her, in fact the shell hits made no difference.
Indeed. Tully's book makes it pretty clear that it was that last destroyer squadron that finished her. She had managed to turn around and was heading back down the strait, but those final torpedoes knocked out her engines and she capsized soon after. The final battleship salvo that hit around the same time as the torpedoes would not have stopped her. Just like none of the other hits had. It's actually amazing to read about. She never stopped shooting back.
Wait!!!! Have you forgotten the German battleship Ostfriesland… sank in 1921!!!?
The first battleship sank by airplanes.
Great video and I hope to visit the New Jersey the next tim I’m in the area.
Battleships sunk in tests don’t count, otherwise another category would have to be added as Nagato and Arkansas were sunk by a nuclear bomb.
Well, the modified hardship shell that sunk the Arizona can be considered both a bomb and a battleship shell
But it was dropped from the air and would not hit the same way when fired by a gun.
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The role of carriers tends to be slightly overplayed, especial with European battleships. Five out of the 21 battleships sunk by aircraft were sunk by land based heavy bombers, not carrier aircraft. The ships are: Gneisenau, Price of Wales, Repulse, Tirpitz and Roma.
When I saw the title for the video my mind immediately answered "ingress of excessive amounts of water" The cause for THAT, however, can vary - to the inclusion of prolonged periods of deferred maintenance.
Submarines!
I would say that in some cases, multiple weapons, such as other battleships and torpedoes with the KMS Scharnhorst. In other words, would the torpedo hits alone have sunk her without the shellfire from the HMS Duke of York and the other accompanying ships?
Hiei was finished off by aircraft but it was crippled by shellfire primarily from USS San Francisco.
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Would like to see a break down based on these numbers of what torpedo/ bomb/ shell size where most used/ effective at destroying battleships/ battle cruisers.
HMS audacious sink as you know the first week of World War I from having struck of mine right near an ocean liner which had passengers that photographed the whole thing. I was the actor that played the captain of the audacious which was filmed on board the battleship Texas right here where I live. it was in a TV series I believe for discovery channel called unsinkable battleship. I think it was 120° that June 2008 up on the bridge of the Texas with all of us in our wool uniforms and coats. It was a great experience.
Would it be possible to get the spreadsheet that you used?
You should have said, "Where are my brown pants?"
I am curious what these totals would be if the predreadnaughts were included.
Can you post a link to the Excel sheet you referenced showing each of the battleships + way they were sunk?
To answer your question..... Water, gets them everytime
Is the spreadsheet that you displayed available?
Yes, battleships are battleships. They are the big gun armored ships of their time
A few thinks I notices, your shellfire list didn't include Hiei, which was scuttled by a torpedo, but the reason for her sinking was the massive shellfire damage she took. Yamashiro did take torpedo hits, but she remained in operations until she received shellfire from Oldendorf's Battle line and her magazine was hit. Also, you credit Roma to bombing and Yamato and Musashi to torpedo but Roma should be separate as "guided missile" and Yamato and Musashi to combined bomb and torpedo as a "shared kill".
Love the opening scene there, Ryan. You should do more in the future.
How about an honorable mention of submarine vs a battleship turned into an aircraft carrier ? I'm thinking of the Japanese Shinano, which was started as a Yamato class battleship, but completed as a carrier - much of the ships structure was in place, including it's armor, along with the forward barbettes, when the change to complete it as a carrier was made. what was built was left in place.
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As we talked about yesterday... Bismarck was a great ship, but Dad gum did he get the 🤬 shot out of him.
Yes go over them the pre ones
Yes this is what I expected! Aircraft became very dangerous. So from that we can deduce that missiles, unmanned aircraft, would be dangerous to a ship. Such as in the Falklands in the 80's. I noticed you did not include that Argentinian battle cruiser sunk by a submarine.
Interesting. Yamashiro took a bomb hit early in the battle and multiple hits from battleships and cruisers main guns. While the torpedoes ultimately finished her off I would give a partial kill to the aerial bomb and battleship/cruiser guns. Fair is fair.
I agree on the joint credit, but the role of the 500lb bombs is less about flooding and sinking the ship, and more about denying the enemy's AA and maneuvering capability. So the TBDs can deliver enough torpedo to sink her. And if a cruiser finds itself in range of a battleship, she's not going to punch holes in the citadel, but her guns can clear the decks.
A Fritz-X will do the job quite effectively.
Only for a short period, it quickly became a liability for its launch crews particularly once electronic countermeasures were deployed. Without doubt it was another indication that the day of the battleship was over.
Did they ever have MRE on ships for emergencys?
we want to see a video of Ryan doing his research (perhaps a time-lapse ? ) :D
Unauthorized holes in the hull below the water line. 😂