The talked part at 0:41 is actually French, he says, "Je vois que beaucoup de gens meurent parce qu'ils estiment que la vie ne vaut pas la peine d'être vécue, et j'en vois d'autres qui se font paradoxalement tuer pour les idées, les illusions qui leur donnent une raison de vivre. Ce qu'on appelle une raison de vivre est en même temps une excellente raison de mourir" Which translate to: "I see a lot of people die because they don't believe that life is worth living, and I see others who paradoxically get killed for the ideas, the illusions that gave them a reason to live. What we call a reason to live is also an excellent reason to die."
I kind of really love how the voice telling him to jump is so monotone and emotionless, while the voice telling him not to is full of emotion and sounds so much more human.
They also disagree: Jump: "But be real, just jump, you dense mother******." Don't Jump: "You're worth more, Achilles." Jump: "...You won't be more than a rat in the gutter." Don't Jump: "So much more than a rat!" Jump: "You want my opinion..." Don't Jump: "No-one asked your opinion!" Jump: "-My opinion you've got." Jump: "You ask for my council-" Don't Jump: "No-one asked for your thoughts!" Jump: "-I give you my thoughts."
I'd argue it has an emotion but one of disdain and from the perspective of someone who thinks they are above Achilles It's almost like they are disgusted with Achilles
@@LoneTraveler488 I think it's a personification of anxiety and self-hateful thoughts, not just in Achilles' case, but anyone's. You tell yourself you're pathetic and not worth anyone's time, and maybe even the people who say they love you don't actually love you at all. And all the while, the people who love you are begging you not to jump because you're worth more than diamond to them.
@@oceanpaisley8260 no, it's not exact words. It's more about the switch in the tone. from patroclus saying to achilles "there's no me without you. Soldier on, achilles. achilles, come down, won't you get up off get up off the roof" to apollo saying to achilles "jump now, you are absent of cause or excuse." Patroclus loves him and doesn't wish for him to die, but apollo is pushing him over the edge.
Arrghhh I also relate to this part.. Even when I'm thinking, I'm thinking that I have a conversation with someone else about the thing I'm thinking about...
As someone who read The Illiad and Odyssey. Achilles' pride and the death of Patroclos really drove him to the edge. This song definitely highlights it.
Not to mention the person who stopped him from killing himself after the news of Patroclus’s death, Antilochus, was also killed and drove Achilles to vengeance again, this time against Memnon. All three were buried together, Achilles and Patroclus had their bones together while Antilochus was separate from the two. There’s an island that was believed to be a temple to the three where Thetis laid them to rest.
I feel like the line "the most dangerous thing is to love" is not to be interpreted as "loving is dangerous because love can be lost" but instead as "it's dangerous to love because love can inspire you so passionately that it can become a force to rival the gods"
I thought it was more because Achilles dies as a direct result of his love for Patroclus. According to the prophecy, Achilles wouldn't die until Hector did, and he'd be the one to kill him. Logically, under these conditions, Achilles has no reason to kill Hector - it would cause his death and he doesn't want to die. But because Hector kills Patroclus and Achilles loves Patroclus, he kills Hector even though he knows that'll lead to his own death. If he didn't have a Patroclus, he wouldn't have had a reason to kill Hector and maybe would've survived the war. His love for Patroclus literally leads to his death. But obviously that's just an interpretación and I thought yours was really cool.
i will never shut up about how achilles’ weak spot was never really his heel, but his heart. about how grief from patroclus’ death drove him so enraged that he eventually brought his own destruction. it’s such a beautiful, tragic story.
@@Llamadrama19 Technically it's based off of "the illiad", which is what "The Song of Achilles" is based off of. "The Song of Achilles" is just a more modern day retelling that goes more in depth with the story of Achilles and Patroclus and leans into the relationship aspect more. It's definitely worth the read!
The French parts of this song (the faint parts) translate roughly to: On the other hand, I see many people die because they judge that life is not worth living. I see others paradoxically getting killed for the ideas or illusions that give them a reason for living (what is called a reason for living is also an excellent reason for dying). ... Of an apartment-building manager who had killed himself I was told that he had lost his daughter five years before, that he had changed greatly since, and that that experience had "undermined" him. … What sets off the crisis is almost always unverifiable. Newspapers often speak of "personal sorrows" or of "incurable illness." These explanations are plausible. But one would have to know whether a friend of the desperate man had not that very day addressed him indifferently. … ...the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between the man of his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. … ...either yes or no. This would be too easy. But allowance must be made for those who, without concluding, continue questioning. Here I am only slightly indulging in irony: this is the majority. I notice also that those who answer "no" act as if they thought "yes." As a matter of fact, if I accept the Nietzschean criterion, they think "yes" in one way or another.
@idontcare6629 No problem! Camus was a French philosopher, born in Algeria and The Myth of Sisyphus with The Stranger, The Rebel and The Plague are some of his most famous works. He is associated with existentialism and, a special philosophy of his own, absurdism.
Still cant get over how achilles smiles when his heart is pierced by the arrow. Hit right where he burned the most. His heart being the ultimate cause of his destruction.
correction my beloved friend, Achilles was shot by an arrow in his achilles heel, hence the name. The ultimate destruction of Achilles was his pride and overconfidence along with the death of patroclus. an angel guided the arrow sent by Paris, the angel who guided the arrow was Apollo.
YES! for example: in the last scene, when their souls met again in the ade, I imagine them touching each other with their hands and at their touch appears a golden / white and dazzling light that fills the screen, and in the background this part 5:30 plays. I know it's pretty detailed lmao
I understand the song is someone speaking to him, but I can also picture this song as two sides of his mind, him fighting against his own thoughts and impulses
My thought was what if it was the same person, outwardly they are trying to calm them down and get them off the roof, but the tone and choice of words makes it seem like they want him to jump
I feel like agammemnon says the "Jump Achilles do a flip" part, while Patroclus (his ghost) tries to convince him not to. He says there is no me without you' and he also says he'll jump after achilles, but in my cash-money hellscape, thats Patroclus thinking about how he'd comfort achilles if he were still alive.
i can imagine patroclus's ghost singing this to achilles, and desperately hoping that achilles can hear him, and begging achilles to not kill hector and complete the prophecy
I love how in this song, Patroclus is literally fighting off Achilles' demons (Don't listen Achilles..No one asked for your thoughts..). And I love how it it implied that Achilles ends up listening to Patroclus, as the song ends with his voice and not his negative thoughts. His love managed to drown them out.
this song is literally perfect in every ways. the slightly frantic violin, the french interlude, the singer's voice gritty like the insides of a pear, the almost overpowering intrusive voice towards the end. brings such a vivid imagery of their love, achilles and patroclus, everytime i listen to this song. a close of the eye and it feels like i can have a glimpse into their love, feel a piece of their heartbreak. it's like a high, i fucking love this song.
"If they ever tell my story let them say that I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses. Let them say I lived in the time of Achilles."
@@abbster515Beautiful, ikr? It's from the 2004 movie Troy, starring Brad Pitt as Achilles. It's Odysseus speaking. It was the perfect end to the movie. Highly recommend, even tho they changed a bunch of things to the story but... that's Hollywood
The damn cello in the background is gorgeous. This typically isn’t the type of music I listen to but I’ve been listening to this song over and over again
how can people listen to this and not instantly want to create- the poetry, the mythology, the violins, everything,, i just want to create to it, films, music videos dances, everything. i love this
I now want to write a script for a movie about Achilles' whole life, all the way to death. I also want to create a dance for the song. So I also don't understand, how people can't listen to this, and want to create something.
@@whatever-eg4kd i see that, but listening to it makes me itch to get out there and make the film, to write, direct and act in it. i cant just listen to music, i become it and want to put it into the world as the visual art i see it as, if that makes any kind of sense
"Loathe the way they light candles in Rome, but love the sweet air of the votives. Hurt and grieve but don't suffer alone, engage with the pain as a motive" Pure Poetry
This comment section is in wholehearted unity that: a) Patroclus trying to talk Achilles down is very gay and very sad. b) this song invokes a melancholic and loving feeling. c) the blend between the voices hits hard.
I found this song today. The comments mentioned Greek mythology characters I was unfamiliar with and a book called The Song of Achilles. So, naturally, I read the whole book in a day and now I’m back here to cry.
"I'm talking to you" Makes me tear up every time. It's rare that an artist connects to the audience on more than a superficial level. It's that second iteration into a repeat that says it all, I'm talking to YOU the listener. The listener is Achilles, we are Achilles; indomitable until our smallest insecurities become our downfall. This song is simply beautiful from beginning to end
Never thought of it that way, but it makes it so much better now. My favourite part is from 4:25 when the voices start talking over each other. And after reading what you said... It's like the smaller voice is our own insecurities and the singer is speaking over it, drowning it, trying to convince us that we're worth more, don't listen to that little voice inside... Then finally confirms it by the repeated "I'm talking to YOU", yes YOU (the listener... emphasized by the sudden softening of the cellos...) can you hear me? Oh! Truly a masterpiece!
Ok, but the fact that you capitalized the words telling Achilles to NOT jump. I don't know the song has them at the same volume, but you just know that the desperation for him not to jump just hit differently.
For those who don't know: Achilles was killed by Paris, a prince of Tory, (yes, the same one who gave Aphrodite the golden apple) when the royal fired an arrow (guided by Lord Apollon) that pierced the hero's heel (literally Achilles' tendon). This song seems to be inspired by "The Song of Achilles," a book written by Madeline Miller; which retells the Iliad by from the perspective of Patroclus, Achilles best friend and lover. "Achilles’ eyes were bright in the firelight, his face drawn sharply by the flickering shadows. I would know it in dark or disguise, told myself. I would know it even in madness." (Edited grammer)
It definately seems like one can connect the boona nd this song. But how this song came to be has a completely different story. Apparently the Artist of this song divorced and (I think) lost his wife to cancer. He had a terrible depression arc and this song is based on that. He used the Greek mythology as a metaphor of sorts.
@@milenachojnacka4183 The book is based of the Illiad, which was written by Homerus, during the time of the ancient Greece, so the song could be based off the original Illiad
If I recall well, Patroclus presented himself in front of Hector, firstborn of the Troyan king, elder brother of Paris, who was hiding behind. Patroclus was wearing Achilles' helmet, and defyied Hector in a deadly duel, in which he died. Hector realised afterwards the scourge he plagued his city with by killing Patroclus. This is why once Hector was slewn by Achilles, the latter humiliated his dead body by pulling it around the city walls with his horse.
If anyone wants to know what they're saying in french here you go : (Just so you know I'm french and I couldn't remember where I knew these quotes from at first, so here is Albert Camus with The Myth of Sisyphus/Le Mythe de Sisyphe) 1- Je vois que beaucoup de gens meurent parce qu'ils estiment que la vie ne vaut pas la peine d'être vécue. J'en vois d'autres qui se font paradoxalement tuer pour les idées ou les illusions qui leur donnent une raison de vivre (ce qu'on appelle une raison de vivre est en même temps une excellente raison de mourir.) I see many people die because they judge that life is not worth living. I see others paradoxically getting killed for the ideas or illusions that give them a reason for living (what is called a reason for living is also an excellent reason for dying.) 2- D'un gérant d'immeubles qui s'était tué, on me disait un jour qu'il avait perdu sa fille depuis cinq ans, qu'il avait beaucoup changé depuis et que cette histoire « l'avait miné ». (fin de citation : On ne peut souhaiter de mot plus exact. Commencer à penser, c'est commencer d'être miné.) Of an apartment-building manager who had killed himself I was told he had lost his daughter five years before, that he had changed greatly since, and that the experience had "undermined" him. (end of the quote : A more exact word cannot be imagined. Beginning to think is beginning to be undermined.) 3- Ce qui déclenche la crise est presque toujours incontrôlable. Les journaux parlent souvent de "chagrins intimes" ou de "maladies incurables"... Mais il faudrait savoir si le jour même un ami du désespéré ne lui a pas parlé sur un ton différent. Celui-là est le coupable. (fin de citation : Car cela peut suffire à précipiter toutes rancœurs et toutes lassitudes encore en suspension... ) What sets off the crisis is almost always unverifiable. Newspapers often speak of "personal sorrows" or of "incurable illness." These explanations are plausible. But one would have to know whether a friend of the desperate man had not that very day addressed him indifferently. He is the guilty one. (end of the quote : For that is enough to precipitate all the rancors and all the boredom still in suspension...) 4- des souvenirs d'une patrie perdue ou de l'espoir d'une terre promise. Ce divorce entre l'homme et sa vie, l'acteur et son décor, c'est proprement le sentiment de l'absurdité. the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. 5- Ce serait trop beau. Mais il faut faire la part de ceux qui, sans conclure, interrogent toujours. Ici, j'ironise à peine : il s'agit de la majorité. Je vois également que ceux qui répondent "non" agissent comme s'ils pensaient "oui". This would be too easy. But allowance must be made for those who, without concluding, continue questioning. Here I am only slightly indulging in irony: this is the majority. I notice also those who answer "no" as if they thought "yes." Enjoy~
The poetry of the lyrics The violin The kickass harmonies The heartbroken, detached wistfulness of the singer’s voice The Greek mythology Yep, I’ve found a new band to obsess over
@@maritzamejia9734 I honestly think its a Viola... But it could be a cello. I'm mad at myself for not being able to figure it out!! lol XD 🎻 The timber is off if I think of it as a cello for some reason. lol I'm second guessing myself. haha
@@rosinfilledpecncil6926 tbh i think it might be a cello from how tough it sounds against the bow - i cant describe it. it's like the rumble from a bass but dumbed down, and I've never heard that from a viola. i think that the lil melody part during the french bits sounds like a viola though
"Ah, it's more courageous to overcome." This is the most important and powerful line in the song to me. I have my problems, such as bad habits, and they're difficult to get over. I oftentimes just want to give in (and I often do), but I know what I should do. This line emphasizes that little voice in my head that tells me truth and comfort.
Okay so I just HAVE to put this down in words; I love the whole metaphor of getting down from the roof, and the concept of Patroclus singing this to Achilles. Especially because, in his rage over Patroclus’ death, Achilles kills Hector knowing that it will cause his own death. So the “come down” could also be Patroclus telling him to come down from his anger so he won’t act so rashly. And the “the most dangerous thing is to love part” hits so hard - Losing Patroclus made Achilles essentially accept his own death in order to avenge him, especially since Patroclus died (more or less) due to Achilles’ own action (again, the line, as Patroclus did this out of love for Achilles/for the other warriors)
My favorite part of this song comes around 5:30 to 6:19. At 5:30, the strings calm down, as Achilles "comes down" off of the roof, having not jumped. It seems like the song is about to end. The question a lot of people ask after a near-suicide is, "what now?" The segment starting at 6:03 is an answer to the question. Like an inspiration to move on.
I’ve always loved this part of the song. It makes it feel so much more meaningful as a person who has struggled with self harm and multiple times being close to attempting suicide.
the perspective of patroclus trying to get achilles to not kill himself over his death while hector's voice echoes through his head to do it after hector killed patroclus..its sad
@@lalaland4508 Odysseus and Achilles weren't as close, Odysseus was even irritated when Achilles stopped fighting, and Achilles was confused on why someone as smart as Odysseus was being a servant to Agamemnon. I an proudly say that Patroclus was the only one who knew, understood and loved Achilles, friend or lover, they were part of a whole
My friend......as one who chose not to jump also my heart is with you. I appreciate this song....the lyrics..cadence....the truth....the Declan O Rourke voice of this man....this song is such a help to many....thank you
@@MrKevmor I am really happy for you as well! Life has many obstacles indeed, but it is truly a gift, that out of all the odds, our souls get to experience it in every shape and form. Be that sadness or joy. Stay happy and healthy :)
This song is most definitely a metaphor for the choice Achilles has to make: to chose his honor although it will kill him or choose to live a forgetful life, though it be with the love of his life. The voice telling him to jump off the roof is probably both him and society. Whilst reading The Song Of Achilles, I got a strong sense that back then people would rather die than risk being seen as a coward. This sort of "extreme bravery" was seemingly equated with being a good person, which is interesting because I think being a brave person would better be equated with being brave enough to sacrifice your glory for the sake of the person you love most. I'm getting the sense that Patroclus loved Achilles more than Achilles loved him. It's truly heart breaking because ultimately Achilles chose himself over Patroclus and still, Patroclus would die for him.
I don't think so, throughout the book we could clearly see Achille's love for patroclus, how achilies only lover patroclus and yes he was engulfed with pride which in the end made him regret it deeply cuz patroclus died. And he forgot everything about his honour to avenge patroclus. And tbh his greif in those 1-2 chapters made it clear how much he liked him. If only the pride hadn't come on its way.. that was his only flaw.
It's strange how love works. Patroclus begs Achilles to live on, but, if the roles were reversed and Achilles died, Patroclus wouldn't hesitate to jump off that roof. The idea that these two souls are so dependent on each other is beautiful (seriously I love Romeo and Juliet but this is the true romantic tragedy that should be taught in all English classes)
@@m.meghana2365 Plus Patroclus wouldve had less holding him back. Unlike Achilles, he wouldve believed that no one in the camp really needed him. He wasn't a fighter and sure he made a decent medic but there were other medics to call on. No parents at home who care about his wellbeing so truly it wouldnt even be up for debate. He'd join Achilles
FRRR WHILE READING THEIR STORY THAT'S ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT. In Romeo and Juliet there's so many ridiculous factors that contribute to their deaths, it feels as if it was SO avoidable, like if they weren't so stupid they would have lived. Patroclus and Achilles are true star crossed lovers, their deaths feeling unavoidable despite how long they tried to prolong Achilles's death.
@@kashe7285 Exactly! But I think what makes Achilles and Patroclus’ deaths even sadder is that they were just as, if not more, avoidable than Romeo and Juliet’s. Achilles and Patroclus were both made fully aware that going to Troy would be a death sentence for Achilles. They were told that they could choose to live a long life in hiding, but Achilles would never be the hero he always wanted to be. They made the choice to give up a long happy life together for the chance that Achilles would be remembered. Romeo and Juliet flung themselves to their deaths because they were blinded by their infatuation with each other, but Achilles’ was blinded by his desire for greatness. It was only after Patroclus died that he realized he made the wrong choice because he was prepared to happily die for the fame, but he was never prepared to lose Patroclus for it. The desires Achilles had outside of his love for Patroclus is what really drove this tragedy and showed a healthy relationship. Even though Achilles was essentially a deadman walking, Patroclus supported his choice because heroism was Achilles’ dream long before they fell in love. And I love seeing that represented in these characters because Romeo and Juliet had no real desires outside of wanting each other. They were children who didn’t understand true sacrifice if they were so easily able to give up everything to be together.
“I could recognize him by touch alone, by smell; I would know him blind, by the way his breaths came and his feet struck the earth. I would know him in death, at the end of the world.”
Yeah, this is the soundtrack to many of my mental breakdowns. It’s 12:20… I have to wake up at 6 tomorrow. I’ll be surviving on tea and mania! I am not okay and this song makes me able to cry!
That's kinda the point, people hear Achilles, but forget that it's a not uncommon name, so rather than a guy named Achilles having a sort of talk with himself, it's gotta be about the Trojan War hero.
When in a mental breakdown this song is what makes me feel better, because it reminds me that someone might be the voice of patroclus for me. And while i am my own voice of apollo, it makes me realize that you can listen to one voice more that the other if you try when the voices overlap
but it can also be used as a metaphor- "achilles, come down" is in referrence to his suicidal thoughts, but could also be seen as patroclus begging achilles to come down from the heady heights of his pride and honour
i remembered finishing tsh, finding this one da playlist and going feral while listening to this song,,, I was Weeping at like 3am that night so yeah, been vibing to this for months because of a playlist
I actually hear the song first in a Dar Academia playlist and I tought it was really cool but english is not my first language and I not always can understand what are saying in songs so I just ignored it and now suddenly this video came in my principal page and now I like this song more then I redy did Sorry if I have mistakes, as I said, is not my first language and I never studied it
i just googled this and it says he dragged hector for 12 days?? can someone confirm this cause i don’t wanna spend like an hour looking through the book to find out
"Today of all days, see how the most dangerous thing is to love, how you will heal and you'll rise above" fav line, it feels so comforting yet so melancholic at the same time, i love it
@@tessacarstairs5998 Was always a fan of greek mythology as a child, this book made me sad but i knew where this story was heading. I took the reins of this carriage, starred eternity in the face and laughed while the whole thing crashed.
“Name one hero who was happy." I considered. Heracles went mad and killed his family; Theseus lost his bride and father; Jason's children and new wife were murdered by his old; Bellerophon killed the Chimera but was crippled by the fall from Pegasus' back. "You can't." He was sitting up now, leaning forward. "I can't." "I know. They never let you be famous AND happy." He lifted an eyebrow. "I'll tell you a secret." "Tell me." I loved it when he was like this. "I'm going to be the first." He took my palm and held it to his. "Swear it." "Why me?" "Because you're the reason. Swear it."
“I swear it,” I said, lost the high color of his cheeks, the flame in his eyes. “I swear it,” he echoed. We sat like that a moment, hands touching. He grinned. “I feel like I could eat the world raw.”
@@letschat2075 it won’t be hard, the same variations are played through the song, depending on which violin/cello you want to play. You can hear the one that does not change, the one that appears during the voiceover by Alberto, and the other one appears during the main parts of the song
@@diko1061 violin and cello have a totally different range. Cello is about an octave and a half lower than violin. You might be able to play it 8va but it won't sound the same at all. Not nearly as rich and soulful.
"Achilles come down" is my favorite song ever. I could spend hours analysing it since every lyric as a deep meaning. This song talks about suicide but Gang of Youths decided to tell their song from Patroclus's POV. Patroclus sings about Achille's pride and grief but through these references to the Iliad, Gang of Youth send a message of hope to those who lost a loved one. The French part is from "Le mythe de Sisyphe" by Albert Camus and it just add even more power to this fabulous song. The violon also add someting dramatic but soft to the song. I loved all the lyrics but especially the "How the most dangerous thing is to love ?". It directly says that love as a cost, the cost of seeing the loved one died. I was also moved by the repetition of "I'm talking to you". Patroclus is not just talking to Achilles. He's also talking to the listener. "Achilles come down" is a message full of hope that's striking and deeply moving.
@@utahimeiori8739 it's the story of Achilles and Patroclus, told from Patroclus' point of view. I would give anything to read it for the first time again, reply once you read it, I would love to talk about it! :)
Oh lord, that book was my plunge into depression. It was beautiful in a heartbreaking way. I'd like to talk about it too. Please be sure to let us know what you think about the book. Oh and tissue papers... You'll need a lot of those...
@@utahimeiori8739 Oh lord, that book was my plunge into depression. It was beautiful in a heartbreaking way. I'd like to talk about it too. Please be sure to let us know what you think about the book. Oh and tissue papers... You'll need a lot of those...
@@brightyannsarah2946 it really was amazing wasn't it!! Absolutely heartbreaking too, it was literally the LAST page that gave me hope. The ending was heartwarming 🥺🥺
"They never let you be famous *and* happy." [Achilles] lifted an eyebrow. "I'll tell you a secret." "Tell me." I loved it when he was like this. "I'm going to be the first."
the part where they sing "i'm talking to you" hits me so fucking hard. i used to be suicidal, and it was so easy to feel like everything anyone said to me in an effort to help was nothing more than empty platitudes, just impersonal prewritten lines from a pamphlet about depression they hand you at the school counselor's office. like none of those nice phrases would ever mean a damn thing, because they weren't truly for me. just hollow rehearsed syllables. so to hear someone pour so much emotion into a single line that, in my mind, says so much more: "i'm here right now and so are you; these are my words, my thoughts i'm speaking and nobody else's; they are meant for you and nobody else; i see you & i hear you, so please hear me, too." man... something about that breaks me every time. it was what i needed to hear and was never told, so i told it to myself. hearing it from someone else, though, even a stranger in a song... damn, it hits. this song really is a high.
"In the darkness, two shadows, reaching through the hopeless, heavy dusk. Their hands meet, and light spills in a flood like a hundred golden urns pouring out of the sun." Im not crying😭💔
@@alisonoconnor6864 but Patroclus pretended to be Achilles because he couldn't see the greeks suffer against the Trojans, and Achilles wouldn't help them.
@@thenuk2720 ah, another Hades kid but from a different medium, era and civilization! Man, I miss reading Rick Riordan's books;; an unexpected crossover but a welcome one! :D (my first comment was about Zagreus though lol)
This song really hits when it says "I'm talking to you". Its no accident. If you relate to Achilles, on the roof, this song is talking to you. Don't jump off that roof.
I love the dueling emotions of this song especially when they bring the 2 variations together, one voice telling him to get off the roof, while the other says jump off at the same time
I clicked on a cool looking video unaware of how I was trading my eight hours of rest for what I thought was a simple question “Who is Patroclus?” but the path there lead to another and more questions rose... then a rabbit hole formed. Figs... fighting a river... the rage of a lover missing his other half being enough to make Zeus wary of Troy falling before its due. I’m now grasping Google’s information and wanting to read the Iliad and the Song of Achilles to get more material. I had no idea what I was getting into. Thank you!
Honestly? The Song of Achilles does Patroclus dirty. It's a well written book but I felt he was sort of... out of character, if that makes sense. Miller made him a healer and sort of took away his warrior aspects- man literally killed Sarpedon, a son of Zeus, and would have killed Hector if the gods hadn't promised Troy a victory. That stuff is absent in the Song of Achilles. Obv read it if you want, but read the Illiad first. In verse, if you can find it.
Lupercalia 76 the song of achilles catered towards the selfishness, pride, and toxic heroism of achilles. that is why patroclus is portrayed that way. in order to make room of achilles’ many faults, you also have to downplay patroclus (at least for a book that size).
"Name one hero who was happy." "......" "You can't." "I can't." "I know. They never let you be famous AND happy." "I'll tell you a secret." "Tell me." "I'm going to be the first." He took my palm and held it to his. "Swear it." "Why me?" "Because you're the reason. Swear it." "I swear it," "I swear it," We sat like that a moment, hands touching. He grinned. "I feel like I could eat the world raw."
To me the saddest part of the song of achilles was how achilles started losing himself to a fame hungry monster and patroclus's death was the only thing that got him out of that fame obsessed state
THIS!!! all along the story towards the end when Achilles starts getting obsessed with fame, in my mind I would be like, only one thing would be able to get him out of it and he would hate himself for that.... 😭😭
@@jasminekite Not really, everyone knows how it ends, especially if you know a thing or two about Greek Mythology. I cant wait to read this took though
@@crazybabuskaman3923 at the time i made that comment i didn’t know the story yet, but later i learned and read the book - it’s a good book! But i didn’t know patroclus was supposed to die, or that achilles became fame obsessed, etc. So, it kind of is a spoiler
After reading the book, this song makes so much more sense. Madeline Miller's writing style is beautiful, and I can't even put into words how amazing it is. The way she connects romance with how things were in those times and the way she is able to prove that there is good in bad and bad in good is breath taking. I couldn't read any other books for so long after it which proves how much I love it. When it comes to books I look for things that are written very metaphorically, and wordy. Just not too wordy that it is not understandable. I like reading how she is able to compare romance to different things in sentences. All together it was a beautiful book and I sobbed a lot.
"The goddess, the mortal, and the boy who was both"-the song of achilles. Hands down one of my favorite route's. Its not talked about too much, but for some reason that line truly broke my heart.
i truly think its very underrated. I was about to finish the book with just sadness, but this single line directly broke me into a million pieces. Started sobbing uncontrollably bc of it...
2:06 the phrase: the most dangerous thing is to love speaks to me because it shows while love makes you stronger, it is also your weakest point for injury.
Achilles is not just the god of the sun but also, much more importantly, god of homosexual tension Edit: sorry, I somehow got him confused with Apollo. ACHILLES is not only the famous warrior of the Trojan war, but also, much more importantly, the god of homosexual tension :)
@@elenarazpopova73 hi if u r truly obsessed cud u pls recommend me a book on where I can start on Greek mythology? There just seems so many stories/myths it's hard to know where to start
Kchill_ 03 my personal favorite is the whole entire tragic story of Medusa! I’d say so some research on the gods and their children first, maybe some basic heroes like Odysseus, Pandora, and Hercules uwu
"He snatches for his sword to slash his throat. It is only when his hand comes up empty that he remembers: he gave the sword to me." The fact that, Achilles's first instinct after seeing Patroclus's body was to kill himself so he went for his knife until he realised that he gave the knife to Patroclus before he went to participate in the war, is hauntingly beautiful. This shows that not only Patroclus wished to leave the world once his beloved was no more. Their love is IT ♡
The moment in the harmony where one voice says "Get off the roof" and the other says "Jump off the roof" just hits different
time stamp?
@@idolizationist 4:55
I don't think I've ever noticed that because I'm mostly working when it comes on. Thanks for bringing that up!
it scratched a lil crinkle in my brain that is just SO SATISFYING. its so beautiful ToT
Irk
The talked part at 0:41 is actually French, he says,
"Je vois que beaucoup de gens meurent parce qu'ils estiment que la vie ne vaut pas la peine d'être vécue, et j'en vois d'autres qui se font paradoxalement tuer pour les idées, les illusions qui leur donnent une raison de vivre. Ce qu'on appelle une raison de vivre est en même temps une excellente raison de mourir"
Which translate to:
"I see a lot of people die because they don't believe that life is worth living, and I see others who paradoxically get killed for the ideas, the illusions that gave them a reason to live. What we call a reason to live is also an excellent reason to die."
thank you
It's a line from Albert Camus's Le Mythe de Sisyphe narrated by himself actually
@@ericsonkuo6520 I love this man so f much, I fault it sounded like his voice btw. Thanks !
@@ericsonkuo6520 thanks for adding that! I didn't know :D
@@ericsonkuo6520 wow, that's cool. I was learning about absurdism recently. Didn't know that the line was cited by the man himself
I kind of really love how the voice telling him to jump is so monotone and emotionless, while the voice telling him not to is full of emotion and sounds so much more human.
They also disagree:
Jump: "But be real, just jump, you dense mother******."
Don't Jump: "You're worth more, Achilles."
Jump: "...You won't be more than a rat in the gutter."
Don't Jump: "So much more than a rat!"
Jump: "You want my opinion..."
Don't Jump: "No-one asked your opinion!"
Jump: "-My opinion you've got."
Jump: "You ask for my council-"
Don't Jump: "No-one asked for your thoughts!"
Jump: "-I give you my thoughts."
I'd argue it has an emotion but one of disdain and from the perspective of someone who thinks they are above Achilles
It's almost like they are disgusted with Achilles
@@LoneTraveler488 I think it's a personification of anxiety and self-hateful thoughts, not just in Achilles' case, but anyone's. You tell yourself you're pathetic and not worth anyone's time, and maybe even the people who say they love you don't actually love you at all. And all the while, the people who love you are begging you not to jump because you're worth more than diamond to them.
might sound dumb but the voice that criticises sounds like its being said through a megaphone which could signify that that voice is louder
@@imnotcreative6904 Indeed
"See life as a worthy opponent."
Underrated line.
Very
Very underrated. Very true line
Who said it's underrated?
@@cheeps1329 Me. I said.
One must imagine Sisyphus happy
Patroclus : Achilles come down
Agamemnon : DO A FLIP
Lol
Words can’t describe how hard I laughed at this
Apollo:360 NOOSCOOOPE
The way he made fun of Patroclus' death lmfao The Iliad is a trip.
Beautiful
The change from "Achilles don't jump we love you" to "Jump the crowd doesn't want you" hit hard
Are those the exact words? Because if so I can’t find that spot in the song
Because the positive voice is Patroclos, while the negative is Apollo, both talking to Achilles
@@oceanpaisley8260 no, it's not exact words. It's more about the switch in the tone. from patroclus saying to achilles "there's no me without you. Soldier on, achilles. achilles, come down, won't you get up off get up off the roof" to apollo saying to achilles "jump now, you are absent of cause or excuse." Patroclus loves him and doesn't wish for him to die, but apollo is pushing him over the edge.
**The time for patroclus' lines would be from 1:14 - 1:28 and for apollo's would be from 2:15 - 2:20
@@somebody2809 And then the part where they go back and forth, trying to get Achilles to come down/jump off at the same time
"You crave the applause, yet hate the attention, then miss it - your act is a ruse" really hits like a semi truck when you can relate
I know I was like is this I thought you were singing to the guy about to do a flip not breaking the forth wall (;´༎ຶٹ༎ຶ`)
Me a Leo....even when I want to he alone I need someone to give me attention
Arrghhh I also relate to this part.. Even when I'm thinking, I'm thinking that I have a conversation with someone else about the thing I'm thinking about...
Thought it said applesauce
@@TheAceReactor i, too, crave the applesauce
As someone who read The Illiad and Odyssey. Achilles' pride and the death of Patroclos really drove him to the edge. This song definitely highlights it.
Not to mention the person who stopped him from killing himself after the news of Patroclus’s death, Antilochus, was also killed and drove Achilles to vengeance again, this time against Memnon. All three were buried together, Achilles and Patroclus had their bones together while Antilochus was separate from the two. There’s an island that was believed to be a temple to the three where Thetis laid them to rest.
"As someone who read The Illiad and Odyssey." you make this sound like a big deal?
@@josephdowie976 some people never read either, let people enjoy 💩
@@josephdowie976 They just said they read it wdym?
@@josephdowie976 they're clarifying their understanding of the character to deeper lengths. I don't see how it's making a big deal.
I feel like the line "the most dangerous thing is to love" is not to be interpreted as "loving is dangerous because love can be lost" but instead as "it's dangerous to love because love can inspire you so passionately that it can become a force to rival the gods"
That's actually really insightful, I love the interpretation
I thought that was like a short-term thing very fast but it doesnt last. Like a obession. It wouldnt sound good if it was like that.
yes!!! i caught onto this right away! and i think that this is one of, if not the most beautiful line in the song.
I thought it was more because Achilles dies as a direct result of his love for Patroclus. According to the prophecy, Achilles wouldn't die until Hector did, and he'd be the one to kill him. Logically, under these conditions, Achilles has no reason to kill Hector - it would cause his death and he doesn't want to die. But because Hector kills Patroclus and Achilles loves Patroclus, he kills Hector even though he knows that'll lead to his own death. If he didn't have a Patroclus, he wouldn't have had a reason to kill Hector and maybe would've survived the war. His love for Patroclus literally leads to his death.
But obviously that's just an interpretación and I thought yours was really cool.
@@evafellmann2206 yes!! this is exactly what i thought, you’ve put it into words better than i ever could
i will never shut up about how achilles’ weak spot was never really his heel, but his heart. about how grief from patroclus’ death drove him so enraged that he eventually brought his own destruction. it’s such a beautiful, tragic story.
it really is a tragic but beautiful story, we don't have much gay ancient stories to begin with so this is a nice change
This made me tear up. It's so deeeeeeeep
PREACH 🙌🏻🥺
Glow Cat all ancient greek stories are gay but they describe them as close friends :)
@@glowcat5691 even if it wasn't gay, it would be a beautiful story. what people have done in the name of love.
Can we talk about how listening to this whole song feels like watching a whole ass movie. I'm not complaining.
I mean its whole ass book
@@crimsocinth is based on a plot of a book? If so what's its name?
@@Llamadrama19 “Song of Achilles” by Madeline Miller, you can find it in like young adult in Barnes and Nobles
@@Llamadrama19 Technically it's based off of "the illiad", which is what "The Song of Achilles" is based off of. "The Song of Achilles" is just a more modern day retelling that goes more in depth with the story of Achilles and Patroclus and leans into the relationship aspect more. It's definitely worth the read!
I can only agree it's almost eternal and it's beautiful
The French parts of this song (the faint parts) translate roughly to:
On the other hand, I see many people die because they judge that life is not worth living. I see others paradoxically getting killed for the ideas or illusions that give them a reason for living (what is called a reason for living is also an excellent reason for dying).
...
Of an apartment-building manager who had killed himself I was told that he had lost his daughter five years before, that he had changed greatly since, and that that experience had "undermined" him.
…
What sets off the crisis is almost always unverifiable. Newspapers often speak of "personal sorrows" or of "incurable illness." These explanations are plausible. But one would have to know whether a friend of the desperate man had not that very day addressed him indifferently.
…
...the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between the man of his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.
…
...either yes or no. This would be too easy. But allowance must be made for those who, without concluding, continue questioning. Here I am only slightly indulging in irony: this is the majority. I notice also that those who answer "no" act as if they thought "yes." As a matter of fact, if I accept the Nietzschean criterion, they think "yes" in one way or another.
Thank you so muchh for writing it down
Do you happen to know where the sound comes from?
@@idontcare6629 unfortunately not... But I love translating songs, so your appreciation means a lot to me
@idontcare6629 It's from The Myth of Sisyphus, a philosophical essay by Albert Camus.
@@dmitrifydodrovichkaramazov Thank youuu
@idontcare6629 No problem! Camus was a French philosopher, born in Algeria and The Myth of Sisyphus with The Stranger, The Rebel and The Plague are some of his most famous works. He is associated with existentialism and, a special philosophy of his own, absurdism.
"So jump and I'm jumping, since there is no me without you." I CANT.
“I am made of memories” I’m gonna go cry againn🥲
“I did not plan to live after he was gone” 😭
@@greekfountain9303 😭✋
🤧🤧🤧🤧
Oh yeah? Well I can take that
Achillies: I'm going to jump
Apollo: do a flip
You did it, you broke the song down into its bare essentials
stolen
Literally copied this comment
i love this
Nope! Apollo would grab him and throw him off the roof such that he does two backflips
“You crave the applause yet hate the attention, then miss it.”
Well that’s deep
i read that as applesauce
*A P P L E S A U C E*
For once I can agree with the statement ”thats deep”
Just came to that part when I read this comment
kills me everytime
Still cant get over how achilles smiles when his heart is pierced by the arrow. Hit right where he burned the most. His heart being the ultimate cause of his destruction.
Whats the name of movie/show , u guys keep talking abt😭😭I listen this song on loop, but idk what u talking
@@parthchandra3798The Song of Achilles. It is a novel by Madeline Miller.
@@ttwice4258 thanks!
@@parthchandra3798BUY IT, READ IT, DO WHAT YOU MUST TO EXPERIENCE THIS
correction my beloved friend, Achilles was shot by an arrow in his achilles heel, hence the name. The ultimate destruction of Achilles was his pride and overconfidence along with the death of patroclus. an angel guided the arrow sent by Paris, the angel who guided the arrow was Apollo.
If Song of Achilles ever gets a live- action show or movie this song should be in the soundtrack.
oMG WATCH ME PRAY FOR A LIVE ADAPTATION
Not should be. HAS to be. I’m forcing them
YES! for example: in the last scene, when their souls met again in the ade, I imagine them touching each other with their hands and at their touch appears a golden / white and dazzling light that fills the screen, and in the background this part 5:30 plays.
I know it's pretty detailed lmao
i mean... i think it represent well their "recover peace" after all they've had to go through (sorry if i made some mistakes :P)
@@greta1973 omg please let this happen ( yea I'm really desperate )
Hector : Kills Patroclus
Achilles : SO I TOOK THAT PERSONALLY
This may be funny but I’m not laughing
@Just lanie OMG YES LIKE HE USED TO SAY “why would i kill him? he didnt do anything to me” AND THEN THAT I LITERALLY CRIEDDD
@Just lanie achilles: what has hector ever done to me?
me: oh HONEY, you’ve got a LONG STORM comin
Sometimes friends are loyal.
@Just lanie lol
I understand the song is someone speaking to him, but I can also picture this song as two sides of his mind, him fighting against his own thoughts and impulses
That's what I thought, like this is my first time listening and that's the first thing that came to my mind
i love your pfp
My thought was what if it was the same person, outwardly they are trying to calm them down and get them off the roof, but the tone and choice of words makes it seem like they want him to jump
I see so many perspectives, it's making my brain hurt.
i thought maybe the nice guy was patroclus and the mean guy was apollo
"You're scaring us, and all of us-"
*Looks at Agamemnon*
"Some of us love you"
LMAOOOOO this made my day
I feel like agammemnon says the "Jump Achilles do a flip" part, while Patroclus (his ghost) tries to convince him not to. He says there is no me without you' and he also says he'll jump after achilles, but in my cash-money hellscape, thats Patroclus thinking about how he'd comfort achilles if he were still alive.
😂
@@emraankazmi7340”do a flip!”
“SHUT UP AGAMMEMMON!”
NOOOOO DONT RUIN IT
i can imagine patroclus's ghost singing this to achilles, and desperately hoping that achilles can hear him, and begging achilles to not kill hector and complete the prophecy
Y E S
and the other person is achilles' angry and grieving side telling him to jump
The other person is Apollo, end of the story🙏
@@phiammotta i guess everyone is free to interpret music their own way : )
OMG that’s how i always saw this
I love how in this song, Patroclus is literally fighting off Achilles' demons (Don't listen Achilles..No one asked for your thoughts..). And I love how it it implied that Achilles ends up listening to Patroclus, as the song ends with his voice and not his negative thoughts. His love managed to drown them out.
I WILL CRY
omfg now I'm sad crying and happy crying at the same time wagdhjfrieudbn cm,
That's amazing. I never knew that that was what this song was about.
EXACTLY !! OH GOD
Unfortunately, it did not end that way outside the song
this song is literally perfect in every ways. the slightly frantic violin, the french interlude, the singer's voice gritty like the insides of a pear, the almost overpowering intrusive voice towards the end. brings such a vivid imagery of their love, achilles and patroclus, everytime i listen to this song. a close of the eye and it feels like i can have a glimpse into their love, feel a piece of their heartbreak. it's like a high, i fucking love this song.
You should be a writer or poet or something because this was way more poetic than it had any right to be
I love the comparison with a pear!! It's on point, though I would never think about it this way. You must have a really beautiful soul.
@@haveagoodmourning wha- you guys are too kind omg. i like writing little stuffs like this as a hobby! thank you so much♡
@@ogorekzdzemem6830 ahh I'm blushing, tysm!! idk, a pear just came into my mind- sweet and gritty but not harsh :)
My goodness you have a way with words love
"If they ever tell my story let them say that I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses. Let them say I lived in the time of Achilles."
Leaving a comment so I can see this every time someone likes ❤
@@ameenahansari1709 I'm joining u too
@@leenaken5626same
What’s this quote from? It’s really good!
@@abbster515Beautiful, ikr? It's from the 2004 movie Troy, starring Brad Pitt as Achilles. It's Odysseus speaking. It was the perfect end to the movie. Highly recommend, even tho they changed a bunch of things to the story but... that's Hollywood
The damn cello in the background is gorgeous. This typically isn’t the type of music I listen to but I’ve been listening to this song over and over again
@@peterpan9617 Take it from a cellist, definitely a cello
@Anna Henrichsen 3rd cellist here, can confirm it’s a cello
@@peterpan9617 4th cellist, no way in hell that’s a violin
Violinist here, it’s a cello
@@peterpan9617 actually a bassist, but i can confirm that’s a cello
how can people listen to this and not instantly want to create- the poetry, the mythology, the violins, everything,, i just want to create to it, films, music videos dances, everything. i love this
I couldn't do it justice.
I now want to write a script for a movie about Achilles' whole life, all the way to death. I also want to create a dance for the song. So I also don't understand, how people can't listen to this, and want to create something.
I can😅
Instead, this is the perfect song for creating a new movie(I'm talking about daydreaming) haha..
@@whatever-eg4kd i see that, but listening to it makes me itch to get out there and make the film, to write, direct and act in it. i cant just listen to music, i become it and want to put it into the world as the visual art i see it as, if that makes any kind of sense
@@maddieharvey3489 😄💓
"Loathe the way they light candles in Rome, but love the sweet air of the votives. Hurt and grieve but don't suffer alone, engage with the pain as a motive" Pure Poetry
This comment section is in wholehearted unity that: a) Patroclus trying to talk Achilles down is very gay and very sad. b) this song invokes a melancholic and loving feeling. c) the blend between the voices hits hard.
Yes ✌
I agree
To be able to feel this kind of love someday
In the Mythology, Achilles and Patroclus were lovers that probably why they sound gay
@@cycyyjacquemet3715 eternal lovers 💞😭
I found this song today. The comments mentioned Greek mythology characters I was unfamiliar with and a book called The Song of Achilles. So, naturally, I read the whole book in a day and now I’m back here to cry.
@@Ally-pc9sk of course!! I hope you enjoy it as much as I did :)
Oh.
Wait wait wait
What is this book exactly about?
@@theSkin_of_a_Killer_Bella it’s about the Trojan war and Achilles but it’s from Patroclus’ perspective. It starts when they’re younger.
It also portrays them as lovers as opposed to just companions as many people believe that’s more accurate
"You crave the applause, yet hate the attention,then miss it, your act is a ruse"- every introvert who likes external validation
👋hello exactly what you just described there. How ya doing?
This is definitely not me- haha😀
my dumbass with a second grade reading comprehension level really thought you just said "you crave the applesauce"
☠️☠️
That is me.
"I'm talking to you"
Makes me tear up every time. It's rare that an artist connects to the audience on more than a superficial level. It's that second iteration into a repeat that says it all, I'm talking to YOU the listener. The listener is Achilles, we are Achilles; indomitable until our smallest insecurities become our downfall. This song is simply beautiful from beginning to end
Never thought of it that way, but it makes it so much better now. My favourite part is from 4:25 when the voices start talking over each other. And after reading what you said... It's like the smaller voice is our own insecurities and the singer is speaking over it, drowning it, trying to convince us that we're worth more, don't listen to that little voice inside... Then finally confirms it by the repeated "I'm talking to YOU", yes YOU (the listener... emphasized by the sudden softening of the cellos...) can you hear me?
Oh! Truly a masterpiece!
❤
Ok, but the fact that you capitalized the words telling Achilles to NOT jump. I don't know the song has them at the same volume, but you just know that the desperation for him not to jump
just hit differently.
Patroclus: Some of us love you
Agamemnon: Emphasis on SOME
AH OH MY GOD LMAOOO
OMG NSDKDHSKDHE
PLSSSSS
This is my most favourite comment ever
LMFAO
The talked part in French comes from The Myth of Sisyphus, a philosophical book about absurd and suicide. One of the best I've ever read.
@Delilah Poole it is translated :)
Yeah, that’s my comfort reading when I just cannot deal with the lack of meaning XD
D'apres ce que j'entends dans la video ,caa a l'air tres intéressant !merci pour la referance
Hey, i was looking for it, but found only a pdf that has like 3 pages. This isn't it, right?
@@marchosiasu9700 no it isn't, it's a whole book!
For those who don't know:
Achilles was killed by Paris, a prince of Tory, (yes, the same one who gave Aphrodite the golden apple) when the royal fired an arrow (guided by Lord Apollon) that pierced the hero's heel (literally Achilles' tendon).
This song seems to be inspired by "The Song of Achilles," a book written by Madeline Miller; which retells the Iliad by from the perspective of Patroclus, Achilles best friend and lover.
"Achilles’ eyes were bright in the firelight, his face drawn sharply by the flickering shadows. I would know it in dark or disguise, told myself. I would know it even in madness."
(Edited grammer)
It definately seems like one can connect the boona nd this song. But how this song came to be has a completely different story. Apparently the Artist of this song divorced and (I think) lost his wife to cancer. He had a terrible depression arc and this song is based on that. He used the Greek mythology as a metaphor of sorts.
This song was released in 2017 so it was not inspired by the book
@@milenachojnacka4183 The book is based of the Illiad, which was written by Homerus, during the time of the ancient Greece, so the song could be based off the original Illiad
There is one moral that stays from the Ancient Greek days to now:
never EVER trust the tories.
If I recall well, Patroclus presented himself in front of Hector, firstborn of the Troyan king, elder brother of Paris, who was hiding behind.
Patroclus was wearing Achilles' helmet, and defyied Hector in a deadly duel, in which he died.
Hector realised afterwards the scourge he plagued his city with by killing Patroclus.
This is why once Hector was slewn by Achilles, the latter humiliated his dead body by pulling it around the city walls with his horse.
If anyone wants to know what they're saying in french here you go :
(Just so you know I'm french and I couldn't remember where I knew these quotes from at first, so here is Albert Camus with The Myth of Sisyphus/Le Mythe de Sisyphe)
1- Je vois que beaucoup de gens meurent parce qu'ils estiment que la vie ne vaut pas la peine d'être vécue. J'en vois d'autres qui se font paradoxalement tuer pour les idées ou les illusions qui leur donnent une raison de vivre (ce qu'on appelle une raison de vivre est en même temps une excellente raison de mourir.)
I see many people die because they judge that life is not worth living. I see others paradoxically getting killed for the ideas or illusions that give them a reason for living (what is called a reason for living is also an excellent reason for dying.)
2- D'un gérant d'immeubles qui s'était tué, on me disait un jour qu'il avait perdu sa fille depuis cinq ans, qu'il avait beaucoup changé depuis et que cette histoire « l'avait miné ». (fin de citation : On ne peut souhaiter de mot plus exact. Commencer à penser, c'est commencer d'être miné.)
Of an apartment-building manager who had killed himself I was told he had lost his daughter five years before, that he had changed greatly since, and that the experience had "undermined" him. (end of the quote : A more exact word cannot be imagined. Beginning to think is beginning to be undermined.)
3- Ce qui déclenche la crise est presque toujours incontrôlable. Les journaux parlent souvent de "chagrins intimes" ou de "maladies incurables"... Mais il faudrait savoir si le jour même un ami du désespéré ne lui a pas parlé sur un ton différent. Celui-là est le coupable. (fin de citation : Car cela peut suffire à précipiter toutes rancœurs et toutes lassitudes encore en suspension... )
What sets off the crisis is almost always unverifiable. Newspapers often speak of "personal sorrows" or of "incurable illness." These explanations are plausible. But one would have to know whether a friend of the desperate man had not that very day addressed him indifferently. He is the guilty one. (end of the quote : For that is enough to precipitate all the rancors and all the boredom still in suspension...)
4- des souvenirs d'une patrie perdue ou de l'espoir d'une terre promise. Ce divorce entre l'homme et sa vie, l'acteur et son décor, c'est proprement le sentiment de l'absurdité.
the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.
5- Ce serait trop beau. Mais il faut faire la part de ceux qui, sans conclure, interrogent toujours. Ici, j'ironise à peine : il s'agit de la majorité. Je vois également que ceux qui répondent "non" agissent comme s'ils pensaient "oui".
This would be too easy. But allowance must be made for those who, without concluding, continue questioning. Here I am only slightly indulging in irony: this is the majority. I notice also those who answer "no" as if they thought "yes."
Enjoy~
Thank you, this helps a lot! I’m learning French, and these translations are always useful for picking up new phrases and idioms. ❤️
@@KeitieKalopsia no problem ! I'm so glad I could help 😁
THANK YOU
Thank you x
You are such a blessing. Thank you!!!!
The poetry of the lyrics
The violin
The kickass harmonies
The heartbroken, detached wistfulness of the singer’s voice
The Greek mythology
Yep, I’ve found a new band to obsess over
Same lmao
Isn't it a cello?
@@maritzamejia9734 I honestly think its a Viola... But it could be a cello. I'm mad at myself for not being able to figure it out!! lol XD 🎻
The timber is off if I think of it as a cello for some reason. lol I'm second guessing myself. haha
@@rosinfilledpecncil6926 tbh i think it might be a cello from how tough it sounds against the bow - i cant describe it. it's like the rumble from a bass but dumbed down, and I've never heard that from a viola. i think that the lil melody part during the french bits sounds like a viola though
@@drippiink4972 Yeah, I play viola and cello and I still can't figure out which one it is
“he was half my soul, as the poets say”
STOP THAT
@@dexabite7750 i'm also crying omg
@@pigeonwithswageon4102 lets just cry together man
pls stop :)
I’m not crying, you are!!!
"Ah, it's more courageous to overcome."
This is the most important and powerful line in the song to me. I have my problems, such as bad habits, and they're difficult to get over. I oftentimes just want to give in (and I often do), but I know what I should do. This line emphasizes that little voice in my head that tells me truth and comfort.
❤
randomly in my recommended. not complaining
Same! 🥰💖
Same for me. I only clicked it because I have a weakness for Ancient Greece but I wasn’t expecting to love it at all
Same, this blew my mind!
Saame
same! :D
Okay so I just HAVE to put this down in words; I love the whole metaphor of getting down from the roof, and the concept of Patroclus singing this to Achilles. Especially because, in his rage over Patroclus’ death, Achilles kills Hector knowing that it will cause his own death. So the “come down” could also be Patroclus telling him to come down from his anger so he won’t act so rashly. And the “the most dangerous thing is to love part” hits so hard - Losing Patroclus made Achilles essentially accept his own death in order to avenge him, especially since Patroclus died (more or less) due to Achilles’ own action (again, the line, as Patroclus did this out of love for Achilles/for the other warriors)
YES!! THIS IS ALSO HOW I INTERPRETED IT AND ITS SO PAINFUL BUT FITS SO WELL
It could also be patroclus calling him to come down to him in the underworld basically encouraging him to come back to him
@@jannekevanelst7827 YOOOOOOO 👀👀👀
@@Avalanti i mean... it could right?
@@jannekevanelst7827 that’s such a smart take I love it 👏👏👏👏
“I did not plan to live after he was gone."
Little did Patroclus knew.
STOPPPPP
Gets me everytime
it's time to stop
I wanna like but it’s at exactly 900 soooo…
@@youssefhidri4262 Achilles is a guy from Greek mythology
My favorite part of this song comes around 5:30 to 6:19. At 5:30, the strings calm down, as Achilles "comes down" off of the roof, having not jumped. It seems like the song is about to end. The question a lot of people ask after a near-suicide is, "what now?" The segment starting at 6:03 is an answer to the question. Like an inspiration to move on.
Yes... And the part after 4:25 when the voices start to argue and contradict each other brings tears to my eyes. Truly a beautiful creation. ❤
I’ve always loved this part of the song. It makes it feel so much more meaningful as a person who has struggled with self harm and multiple times being close to attempting suicide.
“When I am dead, I charge you to mingle our ashes and bury us together.”
his homophobic red headed 12 year old son: I think not good sir
@@lamenkwe6352 THATS REALLY THE ONLY THING MEMORABLE ABOUT HIM, HES RED HEADED AND HES HOMOPHOBIC
@@lamenkwe6352 .
Truly the bestest besties on all of history.
@@ly1636 wasn’t Agamemnon red headed or was the menalus?
the perspective of patroclus trying to get achilles to not kill himself over his death while hector's voice echoes through his head to do it after hector killed patroclus..its sad
ugh this comment hurts. the wound soa has left will never heal
I always thought it was Agamemnon and not Hector oof
@Alia Esmili exactly , I believe that hector only did what he had to , that fucker on the other hand-
I'm confused is it Hector or Apollo?
@@nevaehnisa who killed patroclus ?
Well who killed is hector . but who made that kill possible is Apollo
I love how everyone just agreed that Patroclus is the one convincing Achilles not to jump.
I know but who can be the other one? Apollo? Agamemnon?
@@danaciutanau6686 odiseu
@@danaciutanau6686 odysseus in english
@@lalaland4508 Odysseus and Achilles weren't as close, Odysseus was even irritated when Achilles stopped fighting, and Achilles was confused on why someone as smart as Odysseus was being a servant to Agamemnon. I an proudly say that Patroclus was the only one who knew, understood and loved Achilles, friend or lover, they were part of a whole
Breseis didn't even come to mind
As someone who has been fighting with suicidal thoughts recently and depression in general, this song really touched me
Hope you're doing better
@@firstsupper I'm doing much better, thank you so much
@@theduck0 so happy to hear that :))
My friend......as one who chose not to jump also my heart is with you.
I appreciate this song....the lyrics..cadence....the truth....the Declan O Rourke voice of this man....this song is such a help to many....thank you
@@MrKevmor I am really happy for you as well! Life has many obstacles indeed, but it is truly a gift, that out of all the odds, our souls get to experience it in every shape and form. Be that sadness or joy.
Stay happy and healthy :)
'Have you no more memories?'
'I am made of memories.'
me, who read it at 2 am: sobbing
i am still emotionally scarred from that book
@@simranbhatla6030 same
That's the line that got me. Crying rn.
@@makenzie1660 let's cry together💔
4 am last night. Not recovered from it yet
This should be definitely the soundtrack for “The Song of Achilles”
It is. Just not officially. I listened to this song on repeat starting during Patroclus' charge
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I read the whole book with this song in the background. Pain and only pain
@@melissag834 i finished it last night and i sobbed for a solid half hour
i feel like this would be perfect for the end credits when everything just hits you as the story ends
Agamemnon: You want my opinion, my opinion you've got
Patroclus from the Underworld: NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR OPINION AGAMEMNON
all the greek army: NO ONE ASKED YOUR OPINION AGAMEMNON
Every god except Apollo: NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR OPINION AGAMEMNON BOOOO *throws popcorn*
Lmaooo
Agamemnon: IT'S JIST MY OPINION
@@Mars_The_Human HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT´S GOOD FOR ME?
This song is most definitely a metaphor for the choice Achilles has to make: to chose his honor although it will kill him or choose to live a forgetful life, though it be with the love of his life.
The voice telling him to jump off the roof is probably both him and society. Whilst reading The Song Of Achilles, I got a strong sense that back then people would rather die than risk being seen as a coward. This sort of "extreme bravery" was seemingly equated with being a good person, which is interesting because I think being a brave person would better be equated with being brave enough to sacrifice your glory for the sake of the person you love most.
I'm getting the sense that Patroclus loved Achilles more than Achilles loved him. It's truly heart breaking because ultimately Achilles chose himself over Patroclus and still, Patroclus would die for him.
Dijiste lo que quería negar :,)
También sentí que Patroclo amaba más de lo que Aquiles lo amaba a él... Eso duele joder
You're making me tear up at the ending of your comment.. the fact that Patroclus loved Achilles more than he loved him
I would not tolerate a life of cowardice. I couldn't handle it. How could someone?
I don't think so, throughout the book we could clearly see Achille's love for patroclus, how achilies only lover patroclus and yes he was engulfed with pride which in the end made him regret it deeply cuz patroclus died. And he forgot everything about his honour to avenge patroclus. And tbh his greif in those 1-2 chapters made it clear how much he liked him. If only the pride hadn't come on its way.. that was his only flaw.
@@guiltypleasure2087 true
It's strange how love works. Patroclus begs Achilles to live on, but, if the roles were reversed and Achilles died, Patroclus wouldn't hesitate to jump off that roof. The idea that these two souls are so dependent on each other is beautiful (seriously I love Romeo and Juliet but this is the true romantic tragedy that should be taught in all English classes)
He would have ........
@@m.meghana2365 Plus Patroclus wouldve had less holding him back. Unlike Achilles, he wouldve believed that no one in the camp really needed him. He wasn't a fighter and sure he made a decent medic but there were other medics to call on. No parents at home who care about his wellbeing so truly it wouldnt even be up for debate. He'd join Achilles
FRRR WHILE READING THEIR STORY THAT'S ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT. In Romeo and Juliet there's so many ridiculous factors that contribute to their deaths, it feels as if it was SO avoidable, like if they weren't so stupid they would have lived. Patroclus and Achilles are true star crossed lovers, their deaths feeling unavoidable despite how long they tried to prolong Achilles's death.
@@kashe7285 Exactly! But I think what makes Achilles and Patroclus’ deaths even sadder is that they were just as, if not more, avoidable than Romeo and Juliet’s. Achilles and Patroclus were both made fully aware that going to Troy would be a death sentence for Achilles. They were told that they could choose to live a long life in hiding, but Achilles would never be the hero he always wanted to be. They made the choice to give up a long happy life together for the chance that Achilles would be remembered. Romeo and Juliet flung themselves to their deaths because they were blinded by their infatuation with each other, but Achilles’ was blinded by his desire for greatness. It was only after Patroclus died that he realized he made the wrong choice because he was prepared to happily die for the fame, but he was never prepared to lose Patroclus for it.
The desires Achilles had outside of his love for Patroclus is what really drove this tragedy and showed a healthy relationship. Even though Achilles was essentially a deadman walking, Patroclus supported his choice because heroism was Achilles’ dream long before they fell in love. And I love seeing that represented in these characters because Romeo and Juliet had no real desires outside of wanting each other. They were children who didn’t understand true sacrifice if they were so easily able to give up everything to be together.
@@amphitritemists4595 don't mind amma just be crying over here
Patroclus: Get off the roof, Achilles.
Achilles: Sure, let me get off the roof by jumping.
Patroclus: NO THAT’S NOT WHAT I MEA-
Comedy gold
-cut to kermit falling off a roof vine
@@santoshaveera7084 😂😂
@@merryinfires5295 omg I’m cackling, INFIRES MANNNN~
@@lizas3239 OMG HEY FELLOW ARMY!
I swear we're litterally EVERYWHERE 😂
“I could recognize him by touch alone, by smell; I would know him blind, by the way his breaths came and his feet struck the earth. I would know him in death, at the end of the world.”
stop you are going to make me cry.😣🤚
@@thatsgreat6564 Sorry, I'm crying too :c
no stop, i finished the book literally today it’s very raw 💔
@@basil7565 which book??? plss
@@gizemy2937 I think it's The Song of Achilles
This song hits different when you listen to it but without thinking of the song of Achilles but actually relating to the lyrics in some kind of way
Yeah, this is the soundtrack to many of my mental breakdowns. It’s 12:20… I have to wake up at 6 tomorrow. I’ll be surviving on tea and mania! I am not okay and this song makes me able to cry!
@@molly.dog8brooke792 we are not ok but we will survive this and it'll get better difficult times will pass cause everything does so we'll be fine
Are you okay? Just wanna check...
That's kinda the point, people hear Achilles, but forget that it's a not uncommon name, so rather than a guy named Achilles having a sort of talk with himself, it's gotta be about the Trojan War hero.
When in a mental breakdown this song is what makes me feel better, because it reminds me that someone might be the voice of patroclus for me. And while i am my own voice of apollo, it makes me realize that you can listen to one voice more that the other if you try when the voices overlap
but it can also be used as a metaphor- "achilles, come down" is in referrence to his suicidal thoughts, but could also be seen as patroclus begging achilles to come down from the heady heights of his pride and honour
honestly this is what I thought at first before I saw the comments
I honestly thought it was about suicide since I dont know much about Achilles.
Wow beautiful
that isa really good idea
My exact thoughts
Why I haven't heard this on any dark academia playlist? This is definitely the most fitting song for the aesthetic I have ever heard.
Milna Alen it’s in Dark academia vibes on Spotify:)
i remembered finishing tsh, finding this one da playlist and going feral while listening to this song,,, I was Weeping at like 3am that night
so yeah, been vibing to this for months because of a playlist
I actually hear the song first in a Dar Academia playlist and I tought it was really cool but english is not my first language and I not always can understand what are saying in songs so I just ignored it and now suddenly this video came in my principal page and now I like this song more then I redy did
Sorry if I have mistakes, as I said, is not my first language and I never studied it
Thank you for giving me a playlist idea, but now I need recommendations pleasee
ua-cam.com/video/m5PbrRsHhL0/v-deo.html
It's in this one, that's where I found the song
"There may not be meaning; so, find one and seize it - do not waste your life on this roof." Is my favourite lyric.
❤
I saw a comment saying "its so cool that that there is ancient Greek playing in the backround" ...Thats French bro
Ancient greek 😭😭😭
THATS SO FUNNY
even though it is french it would have been nice to put Greek in the background
@@anya.973 that would be really cool
My real question is can you translate it? Because I'm dying to know!
Patroclus' ghost: "engage in the pain as a motive"
Achilles: Kills Hector and drags his body around the city walls in his chariot for 4 weeks
@Random Stuff yes... That actually happened
If only Achilles had just participated in the war in the first place. His pride is too much, Hector was simply doing his job
@@akhilapnuri8277 So was Achilles.He would not have killed Hector if he didn’t kill Pat
Was it 4 days of 4 weeks? I thought it was 4 days, not makes so much difference tough
i just googled this and it says he dragged hector for 12 days?? can someone confirm this cause i don’t wanna spend like an hour looking through the book to find out
"No hands had ever been so gentle, or so deadly."
omfg i loved that sentence so much
"Today of all days, see how the most dangerous thing is to love, how you will heal and you'll rise above" fav line, it feels so comforting yet so melancholic at the same time, i love it
"Name one hero who was happy"
More like "Name one 'The Song of Achilles' reader who was happy". You can't.
Jokes on you i am happy i read that masterpiece
@@worldeater2414 me too, but I also got shattered too hard
@@tessacarstairs5998 Was always a fan of greek mythology as a child, this book made me sad but i knew where this story was heading. I took the reins of this carriage, starred eternity in the face and laughed while the whole thing crashed.
archiveofourown.org/works/27339184 I found a fanfic, it's like the epilogue of the book, it's pretty good :D
@@monci5814 i cannot thankyou enough for this link i want to give you the moon!
“Name one hero who was happy."
I considered. Heracles went mad and killed his family; Theseus lost his bride and father; Jason's children and new wife were murdered by his old; Bellerophon killed the Chimera but was crippled by the fall from Pegasus' back.
"You can't." He was sitting up now, leaning forward.
"I can't."
"I know. They never let you be famous AND happy." He lifted an eyebrow. "I'll tell you a secret."
"Tell me." I loved it when he was like this.
"I'm going to be the first." He took my palm and held it to his. "Swear it."
"Why me?"
"Because you're the reason. Swear it."
"I swear it.. I swear it." This book absolutely destroyed me, it was so beautifully written I can't :(
Where is that from??
@@ankitadinesh6815 the book named ‘the song of Achilles’
“I swear it,” I said, lost the high color of his cheeks, the flame in his eyes.
“I swear it,” he echoed.
We sat like that a moment, hands touching. He grinned.
“I feel like I could eat the world raw.”
this is the most sad quote in the book after finishing it i think
4:33 to 5:08 really be the gods pushing Achilles towards his death and patroclus from the afterlife telling him not to jump into war
I cried
Hey I feel like there is one of the gods are speaking at 2:09 too
Stop it. You're hurting me
really? i always thought it was achilles thoughts
"How the most dangerous thing is to love" This line always gives me chills.
"see life as a worthy opponent" is such a powerful phrase
I first heard it as sea life and thought of achilles fighting an octopus
and that's why i'm living out of spite.
@@oliviarettberg7173 hahahahaha what
Nobody:
Me:*imagining myself dramatically playing the violin*
Sameee
Though I'm not to sure how hard it would be to play a cello on a violin?
@@letschat2075 it won’t be hard, the same variations are played through the song, depending on which violin/cello you want to play. You can hear the one that does not change, the one that appears during the voiceover by Alberto, and the other one appears during the main parts of the song
@@diko1061 violin and cello have a totally different range. Cello is about an octave and a half lower than violin. You might be able to play it 8va but it won't sound the same at all. Not nearly as rich and soulful.
Me 😂
Imagine naming your cat Achilles.
Achilles, get off the roof!
Achilles can you hear me, I'm talking to you! Stupid cat I love you cut it out before you get hurt!
The fact that i've planned to name my cat Achilles when i get it:)) lol
You just got me convinced
i HAD a cat named achilles😐 she was beautiful
I’m doing that
"Achilles come down" is my favorite song ever. I could spend hours analysing it since every lyric as a deep meaning. This song talks about suicide but Gang of Youths decided to tell their song from Patroclus's POV. Patroclus sings about Achille's pride and grief but through these references to the Iliad, Gang of Youth send a message of hope to those who lost a loved one. The French part is from "Le mythe de Sisyphe" by Albert Camus and it just add even more power to this fabulous song. The violon also add someting dramatic but soft to the song. I loved all the lyrics but especially the "How the most dangerous thing is to love ?". It directly says that love as a cost, the cost of seeing the loved one died. I was also moved by the repetition of "I'm talking to you". Patroclus is not just talking to Achilles. He's also talking to the listener. "Achilles come down" is a message full of hope that's striking and deeply moving.
Everyone: sad gay vibes/ mythologic jokes/ poetry
Me: Getting goosebumps for 8 minutes from this beautiful violin in background.
ITS STILL A CELLO
APPRECIATE CELLOS
... please 😢
...tis a cello...
@@kloxzp there are also violins so let the boy live his life Bell.
@@localghost7359 it's a full quartet if you listen closely
@@comradewindowsill4253 ik I was talking about the theme that is most prominent
This song hits different, when you read Song of Achilles.
What is it about i finish my exams in a couple days and I want to read it seeing all these comments 😃
@@utahimeiori8739 it's the story of Achilles and Patroclus, told from Patroclus' point of view. I would give anything to read it for the first time again, reply once you read it, I would love to talk about it! :)
Oh lord, that book was my plunge into depression. It was beautiful in a heartbreaking way. I'd like to talk about it too. Please be sure to let us know what you think about the book. Oh and tissue papers... You'll need a lot of those...
@@utahimeiori8739 Oh lord, that book was my plunge into depression. It was beautiful in a heartbreaking way. I'd like to talk about it too. Please be sure to let us know what you think about the book. Oh and tissue papers... You'll need a lot of those...
@@brightyannsarah2946 it really was amazing wasn't it!! Absolutely heartbreaking too, it was literally the LAST page that gave me hope. The ending was heartwarming 🥺🥺
achilles: when i die i want my ashes mingled with patroclus's
historians: omg they were such good fRiEnDs what a beautiful FrIeNdShiP
IKr ReAlLY GOoD FrIends 👁👄👁
They were roommates
@@goldengirl253 oh my god they were roommates
@@goldengirl253 _Oh my god, they were roomates_
@Upasna Goel nooo they arent related 😂
"How the most dangerous thing is to love"- Felt it in my soul🥺
“he is half of my soul, as the poets say.” IM STILL SOBBING
you'll never stop. it's been a year. i'm still crying.
@@_sylvia.joy_ i can’t keep living like this 🥲
He is half of my soul as the poets say. He will be dead soon, and his honor is all that will remain.
I am made of memories
SAMME I just finished the book today and have been full on sobbing
Historians will say they were really close friends.
“And they were roommates”
Frosty Sparrow oh god they were roommates
Karrots K “they were truly just like brothers”
.... i feel like i’m listening to Johnny depp sing
@@frostysparrow7993 sweet home alabama
"They never let you be famous *and* happy." [Achilles] lifted an eyebrow. "I'll tell you a secret."
"Tell me." I loved it when he was like this.
"I'm going to be the first."
swear it
Why me?
Cause you're the reason
swear it
I swear it....
"I am made of memories"
- patroclus' soul.
Bro you gonna make me cry even more-
🤍
It was very sexy of my FBI agent to put this on my UA-cam recommendations
Same
Wait, your what?
Same
@@josephleaver7645 FBI agent 😊
OH MY greek gods
the part where they sing "i'm talking to you" hits me so fucking hard.
i used to be suicidal, and it was so easy to feel like everything anyone said to me in an effort to help was nothing more than empty platitudes, just impersonal prewritten lines from a pamphlet about depression they hand you at the school counselor's office. like none of those nice phrases would ever mean a damn thing, because they weren't truly for me. just hollow rehearsed syllables.
so to hear someone pour so much emotion into a single line that, in my mind, says so much more: "i'm here right now and so are you; these are my words, my thoughts i'm speaking and nobody else's; they are meant for you and nobody else; i see you & i hear you, so please hear me, too." man... something about that breaks me every time. it was what i needed to hear and was never told, so i told it to myself. hearing it from someone else, though, even a stranger in a song... damn, it hits. this song really is a high.
I’ve been there too this song is the same for me too like how my brain battled it out with myself I’m glade we’ve won stay here 💕
This comment is so beautiful and I can relate so much
Thanks for being alive 🖤
Hope your doin’ ok, I’d hate to make this about me but...I’m kinda goin’ though that rn
@@trouvaillx5779 thank you for being here. i hope you are still here.
it is MY mental breakdown and I get to choose the music
i was trying to find one of those stupid instagram memes that this song but i couldnt
You made my breakdown stop and made me laugh, thanks kind stranger who writes reletable comments✨
@@trissplayground5013 ofcourse,, i hope your doing okay,, go get something to eat: food is nice
@@lunar5471 thanks, you too stay hydrated :)
@@trissplayground5013 alway:)))
"In the darkness, two shadows, reaching through the hopeless, heavy dusk. Their hands meet, and light spills in a flood like a hundred golden urns pouring out of the sun." Im not crying😭💔
i legit made a piece of art and hung it on my wall about this quote
Everyone: Achilles pls kill Hector
Achilles: What has Hector ever done to me?
Hector: Kills Patroclus, Achilles one true love.
Achilles: Fuck-
Hector : “do you want me to give you a reason? Cuz I’m going to give you one if that’s what you want”
when i read the line when Achilles says "what Hector ever done to me?" I started crying, he killed Achilles's true love.
To be fair though, Patroclus was the one who initiated that fight and was pretending to be Achilles.
@@alisonoconnor6864 but Patroclus pretended to be Achilles because he couldn't see the greeks suffer against the Trojans, and Achilles wouldn't help them.
@@emmacovas8294 you're right but Hector didn't know that.
guys Achilles is just fine, he's just chilling in the underworld with Patroclus in Elysium and mentoring Hades' kid.
You mean Nico di-Angelo?
@@thenuk2720 Nah, Zagreus, BUT if Nico were an easter egg that would be cool-
@@thenuk2720 ah, another Hades kid but from a different medium, era and civilization! Man, I miss reading Rick Riordan's books;; an unexpected crossover but a welcome one! :D (my first comment was about Zagreus though lol)
@@thenuk2720 Nico :')
my BOY ZAG🥺
This song really hits when it says "I'm talking to you". Its no accident. If you relate to Achilles, on the roof, this song is talking to you. Don't jump off that roof.
My name is actually Achilles and I think about suicide everyday
@@AchyllesBr do not waste yourself on this roof.
@@AchyllesBr where you go I'm going, so jump and I'm jumping, for there is no me without you
But... What about getting to have "Yeet" as my last words-
@@amore9003 same, I want that too
I love the dueling emotions of this song especially when they bring the 2 variations together, one voice telling him to get off the roof, while the other says jump off at the same time
I clicked on a cool looking video unaware of how I was trading my eight hours of rest for what I thought was a simple question “Who is Patroclus?” but the path there lead to another and more questions rose... then a rabbit hole formed. Figs... fighting a river... the rage of a lover missing his other half being enough to make Zeus wary of Troy falling before its due. I’m now grasping Google’s information and wanting to read the Iliad and the Song of Achilles to get more material. I had no idea what I was getting into. Thank you!
you should check out the song of achilles by madeline miller :)
Chill Out
The song of achilles is a beautiful book! Please read it
Chill Out as someone who had to read the Iliad for school, you dont want to read it. It’s mostly unnecessary lol
Honestly? The Song of Achilles does Patroclus dirty. It's a well written book but I felt he was sort of... out of character, if that makes sense. Miller made him a healer and sort of took away his warrior aspects- man literally killed Sarpedon, a son of Zeus, and would have killed Hector if the gods hadn't promised Troy a victory. That stuff is absent in the Song of Achilles. Obv read it if you want, but read the Illiad first. In verse, if you can find it.
Lupercalia 76 the song of achilles catered towards the selfishness, pride, and toxic heroism of achilles. that is why patroclus is portrayed that way. in order to make room of achilles’ many faults, you also have to downplay patroclus (at least for a book that size).
"Name one hero who was happy."
"......"
"You can't."
"I can't."
"I know. They never let you be famous AND happy." "I'll tell you a secret."
"Tell me."
"I'm going to be the first." He took my palm and held it to his. "Swear it."
"Why me?"
"Because you're the reason. Swear it."
"I swear it,"
"I swear it,"
We sat like that a moment, hands touching. He grinned.
"I feel like I could eat the world raw."
What's that from?
@@joeyb5399 the song of achilles!
This is so gay why are historians denying it-
yeah I'm definitely crying
*cries in ancient greek* I understood that reference
To me the saddest part of the song of achilles was how achilles started losing himself to a fame hungry monster and patroclus's death was the only thing that got him out of that fame obsessed state
THIS!!! all along the story towards the end when Achilles starts getting obsessed with fame, in my mind I would be like, only one thing would be able to get him out of it and he would hate himself for that.... 😭😭
spoiler :(
@@jasminekite 🥲 sorryy
@@jasminekite Not really, everyone knows how it ends, especially if you know a thing or two about Greek Mythology. I cant wait to read this took though
@@crazybabuskaman3923 at the time i made that comment i didn’t know the story yet, but later i learned and read the book - it’s a good book! But i didn’t know patroclus was supposed to die, or that achilles became fame obsessed, etc. So, it kind of is a spoiler
After reading the book, this song makes so much more sense. Madeline Miller's writing style is beautiful, and I can't even put into words how amazing it is. The way she connects romance with how things were in those times and the way she is able to prove that there is good in bad and bad in good is breath taking. I couldn't read any other books for so long after it which proves how much I love it. When it comes to books I look for things that are written very metaphorically, and wordy. Just not too wordy that it is not understandable. I like reading how she is able to compare romance to different things in sentences. All together it was a beautiful book and I sobbed a lot.
Do you happen to have recommendations for any other such kind of book? Beautiful lyricism?
Screw life. I want to be the Achilles to someone's Patroclus.
Same
Im in
mood
Harry?? 😏😏
Sorry I just came back from reading 2 whole drarry fanfics and both were angst.
Why not Patroclus ?
"The goddess, the mortal, and the boy who was both"-the song of achilles. Hands down one of my favorite route's. Its not talked about too much, but for some reason that line truly broke my heart.
i loved that line sm. i highlighted it as soon as i read it bc it struck a deep cord in me.
@@mac_6705 would you mind sharing the page?
@@wackwack8966 368 ! :> should be the second to last page
i truly think its very underrated. I was about to finish the book with just sadness, but this single line directly broke me into a million pieces. Started sobbing uncontrollably bc of it...
@@mac_6705for me there are 353 pages lols
this song: exists
gay ppl who just read tsoa for the first time: *it's free real estate*
I came here to have a good time and I honestly feel so attacked right now
why would you come for me like that
whats tsoa?
@@galaxbeans438 The Song of Achilles, by Madeline Miller. It is a book.
@@ja-naeharris8193 It is a lifestyle choice actually
2:06 the phrase: the most dangerous thing is to love speaks to me because it shows while love makes you stronger, it is also your weakest point for injury.
Patroclus's Spirit: Get up off the roof!
Hector's Spirit: DO A BACK FLIP!
AHHHHHHHH UR FRICKING RIGHT😵
This startled me out of my song of achilles fueled breakdown
fuck yeah i love hector
Y'know Hector ain't wrong, Achilles was on a murderous rampage
@@obviouslyoblivious242 yeah
i feel a bit of homosexual tension in this room tonight
I like the energy we have created in the studio
Didn't expected Diego here
Achilles is not just the god of the sun but also, much more importantly, god of homosexual tension
Edit: sorry, I somehow got him confused with Apollo. ACHILLES is not only the famous warrior of the Trojan war, but also, much more importantly, the god of homosexual tension :)
Jasper N I believe your thinking of apollo kid. Achilles was a warrior of the Trojan war.
@@screamingsushi6260 he is still the god of homosexual tension however lmao
Bold of the comment section to assume I remember anything that happened in greek mythology
Can't expect anything of Vriska kinnies huh /j
Im obsessed with it so I can’t relate
Lmao same my knowledge is limited to Percy Jackson asdfghjk
@@elenarazpopova73 hi if u r truly obsessed cud u pls recommend me a book on where I can start on Greek mythology? There just seems so many stories/myths it's hard to know where to start
Kchill_ 03 my personal favorite is the whole entire tragic story of Medusa! I’d say so some research on the gods and their children first, maybe some basic heroes like Odysseus, Pandora, and Hercules uwu
"He snatches for his sword to slash his throat. It is only when his hand comes up empty that he remembers: he gave the sword to me."
The fact that, Achilles's first instinct after seeing Patroclus's body was to kill himself so he went for his knife until he realised that he gave the knife to Patroclus before he went to participate in the war, is hauntingly beautiful. This shows that not only Patroclus wished to leave the world once his beloved was no more. Their love is IT ♡
I am literally crying 😭 ❤
In the Iliad Achilles still has his knife, but Antilochus holds fast to his hands so he can’t grab it.
I'm having a religious experience??? My soul is transcending???
Bro same
Never ever before I encountered a song like this. 😭
Same bro, this is, like, my 20th listen just today, and today is when I clicked on it for the first time
@春honey ik, bro, right!? Soo much passion !
Maybe a better word would be spiritual instead of religious?
And they were roommates.
Oh my god they were roommates ✨
And they were roommates✨
Oh my god they were roooommates ✨
And they were roommates ✨
Oh my god they were roomates ✨