I got dan at A4 and leo at A2, and the mats to get either to the next lvl, this just confirms i should get dan to A5, thanks for the info, most appreciated 👌
So I did a little testing with Leo today however I only did that testing in Thunder Cliffs. From that testing I was able to determine that rage worked better there than energy likely due to the fact that the constant getting pummeled by the lightning storm.
I posted on the discord server his death immunity needs to fully cleans him from any CC and make it so that death immunities can't be dispelled by sif, sp daniel etc.
@@dylarrstwilektactics what i mean is that during the 5seconds of death immunity, i've had so many cases where it was either dispelled by sif/daniel or i was fully stun locked with out using the free ult. And neither of those should be possible on a death immunity imo.
From a dev perspective, I think the issue come from how coded he is and because Rage didn't exist back then. The old one is energy and I think they try to modify it by overwriting with rage system. The thing is, it's obviously a conflit (typically a line who screw everything or some value and function calling + old coding way vs new coding way because you always improve with time) and the proper to get a clean new Leo would be to re-do it from scratch. When I did a demo of a game for my Master I did create two separate skills (and not a skill with two conditions) because it was simpler when I needed to copy and modify it for a other purpose (like NPC's creation). Let's be honest, that sadly not gonna happen because they just try to use a bandage on it with the "30 rage generate per sec".
ya its a pretty simple fix even with my college AP coding background i can see that.@@dylarrstwilektactics just give him a passive on A3 to get rage based on hp lost like u said. they already have him coded for it for energy. technically as energy he gains energy as hp lost n attacks done. so they need his passive to give rage based on hp lost and attacks landed. or a more simple awaken system for leo is make leo crit :D keep him energy make him crit. give him crit dmg bouses n he will be golden. :D
@@dylarrstwilektactics The only problem with this is it'll directly buff every Vanguard too and they could feel it'll make Vanguards too strong. I think a good alternative to rage is have it offer some type of other bonus depending on lower HP. Just to avoid it being a "red energy," potentially have it offer some type of stat bonus or something to compensate for it being inferior to energy as an ultimate producer. Just going off the name, to throw a random idea out, potentially offer CC reduction (something that's unique as a skill individually to vanguards) lower HP%.
The only reason they invented the rage mechanic is that one endless battle with the spiders, and only because there is an energy regen reduction there. It's absolutely inferior to energy. They really didn't think it through.
The very first time they released that vanguard boss in endless, it used to do damage to heros. Leo was insanely good on that fight, because of what Dylar explained: energy recovery based on hp loss. So Leo would just spin the entire time lol. Once they took away the damage though, Leo became a wet noodle.
I think the rage version would be better in situtations where you use him as a solo frontliner like on a hunter/energy team. On a melee team its just useless
Energy would still be better for that. If Leo takes a few hits, his HP drops and it triggers his Ultimate. With rage, if he takes a few hits, his HP drops and you get a tiny amount of rage... then he takes a few more hits and then he's dead.
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is too expensive get a unit awakened, if you are a new pĺayer, you need to wait around 2-3 months to get your first full awakened unit.. or..... pay for that
Just as I thought, rage vanguard useless :D Also vanguard prototypes and commanders have nothing to do with rage. Thanks for the update, saved me wasting tickets!
@@dylarrstwilektactics Yeah I awakened him for that stat boost but not going further than that in case it messes him up. I'll keep watching to see if he gets any better. They just haven't thought it through. Rage is designed for tanks because they are.. tanky.. they don't take much damage. Leo isn't tanky in that way.
@@dylarrstwilektactics My verdict is that I'm going to stay away from him for a while, I won't be able to build him decently, my focus now is to finish Daniel first 🤣
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I got dan at A4 and leo at A2, and the mats to get either to the next lvl, this just confirms i should get dan to A5, thanks for the info, most appreciated 👌
Glad I could help
So I did a little testing with Leo today however I only did that testing in Thunder Cliffs. From that testing I was able to determine that rage worked better there than energy likely due to the fact that the constant getting pummeled by the lightning storm.
Yeah rage will definitely be better there.
As a f2p I'm still working on Daniels awakening so completely ignoring Leo, takes soooo long to get all the shards
It does, you get the majority of the crystals through the summoning events
I posted on the discord server his death immunity needs to fully cleans him from any CC and make it so that death immunities can't be dispelled by sif, sp daniel etc.
An immunity that can’t be cleansed by immunity cleanse, now things are getting weird
@@dylarrstwilektactics what i mean is that during the 5seconds of death immunity, i've had so many cases where it was either dispelled by sif/daniel or i was fully stun locked with out using the free ult. And neither of those should be possible on a death immunity imo.
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Right arm!
From a dev perspective, I think the issue come from how coded he is and because Rage didn't exist back then. The old one is energy and I think they try to modify it by overwriting with rage system. The thing is, it's obviously a conflit (typically a line who screw everything or some value and function calling + old coding way vs new coding way because you always improve with time) and the proper to get a clean new Leo would be to re-do it from scratch. When I did a demo of a game for my Master I did create two separate skills (and not a skill with two conditions) because it was simpler when I needed to copy and modify it for a other purpose (like NPC's creation).
Let's be honest, that sadly not gonna happen because they just try to use a bandage on it with the "30 rage generate per sec".
All they have to do is make passive rage regen inversely tied to HP% lost, just like energy.
ya its a pretty simple fix even with my college AP coding background i can see that.@@dylarrstwilektactics
just give him a passive on A3 to get rage based on hp lost like u said. they already have him coded for it for energy.
technically as energy he gains energy as hp lost n attacks done. so they need his passive to give rage based on hp lost and attacks landed.
or a more simple awaken system for leo is make leo crit :D keep him energy make him crit. give him crit dmg bouses n he will be golden. :D
@@dylarrstwilektactics The only problem with this is it'll directly buff every Vanguard too and they could feel it'll make Vanguards too strong. I think a good alternative to rage is have it offer some type of other bonus depending on lower HP. Just to avoid it being a "red energy," potentially have it offer some type of stat bonus or something to compensate for it being inferior to energy as an ultimate producer. Just going off the name, to throw a random idea out, potentially offer CC reduction (something that's unique as a skill individually to vanguards) lower HP%.
@@TP.P94 I’m saying just for leo
make Leo great again! already made it and put it on a shirt and I wear it every Friday
Right arm!
Tysm dylarr!! But how much damage Leo with rage does compared to other vangaurds in thudercliff?
That I don’t know
Thanks I will try energy
Right arm.
The only reason they invented the rage mechanic is that one endless battle with the spiders, and only because there is an energy regen reduction there. It's absolutely inferior to energy.
They really didn't think it through.
I kind of like it for melee heroes
The very first time they released that vanguard boss in endless, it used to do damage to heros.
Leo was insanely good on that fight, because of what Dylar explained: energy recovery based on hp loss. So Leo would just spin the entire time lol.
Once they took away the damage though, Leo became a wet noodle.
did anyone else notice he isn't healing himself when hit?
I didn’t look
@@dylarrstwilektactics I'm not gonna worry about it too much because u did say they were gonna overhaul his kit right
So rn you leave it in energy and just activate the rage mode for the endless battle spider stage I guess
Endless Battle, Twilight lands stage 16 bosses, Thundercliffs
I think the rage version would be better in situtations where you use him as a solo frontliner like on a hunter/energy team. On a melee team its just useless
Energy would still be better for that. If Leo takes a few hits, his HP drops and it triggers his Ultimate. With rage, if he takes a few hits, his HP drops and you get a tiny amount of rage... then he takes a few more hits and then he's dead.
@@MD-ek6yt good point
@@MD-ek6yt but its still at least worth testing
Give it a whirl
How much acc does a New hero need ? ( i use the Evangelion tank )
Depends on the kit. I try to include the acc requirement on my spreadsheet
Hi Dylarr! Decided to quit the game yesterday but wanted to say thank you for all the awesome you’ve created.
I’ve been watching your stuff for ages now and you’ve always brought out the best videos! Good luck and all the best with all your other videos 🙏🏼
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I dont have that buttom to toggle rage wnd energy. Whata rip off. I have him at +2
+3 needed
You’re almost there
is too expensive get a unit awakened, if you are a new pĺayer, you need to wait around 2-3 months to get your first full awakened unit.. or..... pay for that
I think a few months is fine. It’s still far better than SP units.
Just as I thought, rage vanguard useless :D Also vanguard prototypes and commanders have nothing to do with rage. Thanks for the update, saved me wasting tickets!
But he’s still better awakened. You just want to leave it set on energy for his ult
@@dylarrstwilektactics Yeah I awakened him for that stat boost but not going further than that in case it messes him up. I'll keep watching to see if he gets any better. They just haven't thought it through. Rage is designed for tanks because they are.. tanky.. they don't take much damage. Leo isn't tanky in that way.
Lets Discover now If he is 🤣
and your verdict?
@@dylarrstwilektactics My verdict is that I'm going to stay away from him for a while, I won't be able to build him decently, my focus now is to finish Daniel first 🤣