13,400 HP Hill Climb (Including an AC6000CW)
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A loaded hopper train of great length stopped midway up the hill just outside of Winston Yard and then attempted to move again once he received the clear signal. Notice the bucking of the engines as they power up and then they begin sliding backwards. After sanding the rails, the three-engine team overcame gravity and started climbing. There was some serious power in this lineup: #333 is a AC4400CW, #8061 is a SD40-2 , and the enormous #648 is a AC6000CW. The combined power output was around 13,400 horsepower, and these brutes shook the ground (and us too) as they conquered the hill.
Those engines shook the ground so much, the camera sound didn't do justice to the ground-shaking roar we were hearing. It was incredible.
Just watched it again, one of my favorites. The power of that long train thru multiple switches. Amazing! ..........
Really awesome. You can hear the engine roar get higher as he throttles up to
run 8. An extremely heavy load being pulled uphill. Fantastic!
Awesome seeing these old units shaking the ground! Never gets old hearing that thunder!👍
Those engines had alot of power pulling them thru all those switches. That one angle on camera looked like all those cars were alive!!!! they way they moved. love it!!
Its creepy but fantastic
I love that serpentine motion of the cars switching! Great catch!
Noisy little SD40-2 in the middle. But then the AC6000 #648 follows, it sounds like a cargo ship!
As a former engineer with CSX, trains like that were fun as well as a challenge.
The most impressive feature of this train for me (I am a New Zealand Trade Certified Automotive Engineer/Truck mechanic) is the lack of squeaking & squealing from the wagon wheels/axles/bearings etc. That indicates superior technology and maintenance and of course high amounts of weight - or if you will - precisely what the wagons are designed to carry and perform/move.
That's the most prolific video of an AC6000 kicking ass....
The RPM difference was awesome,
bigger pistons slower RPM>
Frankly, I was very impressed by the several switches/curves that she had to negotiate. Both in terms of pulling through that safely and the great shot by the video maker.
Love listening to the engine acceleration
That double curve makes some crazy optical illusions!
I am retired csx freight/amtrak engr., just for info, after csx purchased the 6000 hp loco's, not long aftre, they tuned them all down to 4400 hp, new engrs. Were ripping drawbars and knuckles with all that hp, it was occurring a lot.
@Jeff C not true , the power to the traction motors is the same with all 6 axles , amperage loaded is a big factor, the lower the speed the higher the horsepower is from higher amperage, so if loading at 1000 amps, 6000 hp is pulling , at 1000 amps 4400 hp is pulling, the loco's are geared by amperage, as speed increases, the loco will reduce amperage. Optimum throttle position to maintain track speed is notch 6, with amperage loading appx. 300 to 450 amps.
@Jeff C higher speed is easier to maintain at higher speeds with low torque, lower hp, slow speed is high torque with high amperage at low speed when starting from a dead stop. Most knuckles and drawers are broken at speed between 1 - 10 mph, high amperage, low speed, high torque.
@Jeff C does that help you ? Also i told you notch 6 to maintain track speed is optimum, now according to csx difference in notch 6 vs. Notch 8 uses 5 1/2 barrels more fuel per locomotive per hour. Fuel is their #1 cost. Csx lists all their loco's hp in rule book and their tonnage capacity, csx is notorius for operating trains underpowered. If trains call for a consist of 2 loco's to pull 10,000 tons, you will get less hp to pull that tonnage. Where as the ns RR runs tonnage plus 1, if train calls for 8000 hp loco's, maybe 2 loco's , you will get 3 loco's, they run a better RR in that instance.
@Jeff C glad to answer any other questions or explain in more detail what i posted. Think of this, when you drive your car from a dead start, rpm's are higher =more hp, as you get on interstate, rpm's lessen, hp reduces, gears go up to 5 overdrive or if manual you shift up in gears, maintains speed, same with loco.
@Jeff C are you fimiliar with short time ratings as it relates to high amperage ? Also from a dead stop, as you open the throttle to #1, 6000 hp gives high torque, 4400 hp gives high torque, both give high amperage at a low speed, if you do not have entire train moving at a consistent speed as you increas speed, this is where you rip train in two. Rarely does this happen at moderate to max train speed. What happens is the front 1/2 of your train give or take is stretched out, the rear cars may not even be moving yet, and if bunched, with excessive hp and the momentum from the cars that are moving can rip the train in two. On a long train, you may move the lead loco 2 or 3 cars lengths before the rear car even moves. There was no other reason to reduce the 6000 to 4400 hp because inexperienced were ripping them in two on a regular basis, it ended the problem.
yes, I believe this is why so much sand was being applied. This train was fuly loaded.
Thank you for the great train video. 👍👍👍👍👍
I love how that EMD 645 in the SD40-2 drowns out the GE 7FDL in the AC44, but how the 7FDL in the AC6000CW just rumbles right along with the 645. Fantastic GE and EMD power on this freight ip the grade. Great capture and video.
The SD40 and AC6000 has the best engine roars :) I loved the mix of 645 turbo with the growl from AC6000 combined :D
I play this again and again. Shows real skill by the driver, given that he looks to be right on the lower limit of available power
Seeing this video reminds me of the trains I used to catch back in El Paso. They shook the ground every time they pulled out of the main yard along the Sunset Route (Southern Transcon) mainline near downtown.
That AC6000CW was a real beast, one of my favorite. Must have been EPA Rules, that forced CSX to sell them off.
Lol there's no EPA rules against horsepower, rather they're against emissions which is a good thing. They stopped using it because it was too expensive to maintain and operate. They'd rather just put two cheap motors instead of one expensive one.
@@zackbobby5550 I really miss the 6000’s those were fun to watch especially when they were at full tilt
One of the real reasons why CSX sold off most of their AC6000CW's (Except for three of them) to Progress Rail was because the turbochargers every three months of long usage kept burning up seals and there was constant oil leaks as well,some cases causing the locomotives to go into runaway.General Electric manufactured them because they were trying to compete with the EMD SD80MAC's,but soon failed.
Only 208 of them were built,now it's alot less than that because Union Pacific are the only ones that still use them.UP & CSX were the only railroads that ordered AC6000CW's.As a matter of fact,some of the AC6000CW's that went to Union Pacific were originally going to be with Southern Pacific but weren't complete with GE,so while they were not ready for service just yet,that's when the merge occured and everything went to UP instead that was suppose to be under SP,once the assembling and manufacturing was complete.
The certain amount still in usage with Union Pacific have all been derated and rebuilt into AC4400CW's though,with 7HDL-16 prime movers instead of keeping the 7HDL-20's.One of the AC6000CW demonstration units however,with it's original prime mover,was donated to a museum.
Great video! Train moves through those switches like a giant centipede!
The Hogger was playing no games in widening out the throttle on this trio to get that train to track speed and clear outta Dodge... Great video 👍
Yea he was going a little over 30 mph.
Jeepers Kraut! One of these days we're gonna realize these massive locos aren't going anywhere but they're turning the earth beneath their wheels. Just seems to me the rails would roll up between the engines and the freight cars with that much weight and horse power.
Great footage and raw soundtrack - bravo.
I was born in Florida and it's not as flat as some people think! This proves it! Good catch!
The highest point in the state is 348' above Sea Level. I live 7 time bigger than Florida's highest point
good eye! Its not so noticeable unless you know what to look for. I myself didn't notice it until a friend was reviewing the raw footage with me that evening, and pointed it out.
You can hear that 6,000 horsepower GE 7FDL-16 chugging away!
@Jacob Grimes 333 isn't an AC6000CW, it is a AC4400CW
To back you up on this SeaboardRailfanner If you read the whole thing it say " 333-AC4400CW, 8061-SD40-2, and the enormous 648-AC6000CW". But the AC6000 is really a AC46AH with a GEVO-16 engine, so if you base it off of what's inside its a ES46AH.
Ryan Hatterer Derated to 4400hp. The prime movers are the same as in the ES58ac's Vial bought. CSX just derated them...again....
I heard that a few weeks ago, But I heard only the 600's and one or two 5000's are 4400 the rest are 4600hp. I know the prime movers are the GEVO-16 as I seen a video from GE showing them.
I haven't seen a train take that many switches at once before
Still one of my favorite videos!
wish my girl can swurve like those cars LMAO!
mrkrzt haha lolol
Lol
Bet if she's got enough weight to her she would.
*CSX 333 has been rebuilt to CSX 7253 the horn has been rebuilt and it sounds good*
Man, that is bad-ass. Rev her up to load the air, take the slack out slowly, and let's move some weight.
Definitely will! thanks :)
Love the csx trains
Back when Lakeland Conn. Had US&S colorlights still. Nice
How often do they paint the trains to keep them looking good? I don't see any scratches or rust on the train engines.
84 cars.
15,000 hp.? I came up with 13,400. AC4400= 4400hp. SD40-2=3000hp. AC6000= 6000.
Very nice video!!! Thumbs up!!!!
One of the best i've seen
For a company based in Florida, CSX sure has a bad reputation for track and equipment maintenance in their home state!
They only run the middle and west coast of FLA, Florida east coast railway owns the Eastern side and don't let anyone use their track.
The AC6000s aren't 6,000 hp they're either 4,400 or 4,600 for csx now
this one had 6250 at the time of the video. and csx is retaking them.back up to 6250 again, the derated ones
+SeaboardRailfanner silly emissions lol
They should've kept em 6,000 hp in the first place.
Would have been funny to run up there and throw that rail switch and switch the cars over to a different track mid ways through their length.........
Yes the 6000!!! She’s not dead!
That looks like either Dragonmaster or Millenniumforce in the shot.. They do hit up that place often
Yep that's Alan I can hear his voice lol
What model of prime mover did they have? Sounds similar to a mix of the FDL16 and fdl12s
whew great catch!
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These are the most powerful train engines ever
Did CSX actually have the 6k hp units or 4400hp like all the otherts. From what i can find none of the 6k HP units ever made it to actual service due to failures. Which leaves the SD80MAC as only 5k hp unit
SD40-2s sounds better just my opinion... Great video!!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍
A big mechinne
Powerfull
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Why did they get rid of the 6000hp models?
That's a lot of switching of tracks in a very short distance!
Took off like a bat out of Hell once he got going!
Great catch!!!
This was amazing!!
Trackside' hope the engineers wave from the trains like they did back in 1954
Did no one notice the lead engine "hopping" ? Likely started spinning and thus, the sand expelled to assist. Would love to see if that was the case
The ac6000’s got derated. Now I think all are in storage or sold to leasing companies. I saw a former CSX ac6000 pulling a NS train about a month ago east of Portsmouth Ohio.
Rails looks a bit overweighted :P
Hello would you happen to know what the gradient is on this hill ?
13.400 hp for triple locomotive ?? Correct ??
18,000+ hp all 3 has 6,250hp each
That was pretty cool!!!
Jesus, that really is a long train... You weren't exaggerating.
awesome sound!!!
Love the engine sound thanks bro
That is a gevo16 power plant.
Like snake. Nice video. Thank you.
Esa doble "S", es una genialidad. Muhas gracias.
15,000hp? I know the SD40-2 has 3,000, the AC4400CW is as it says on the tin 4,400, but add the remaining 6,000 and you only get 13,400?
Plus the AC6000CW's are derated to 4400HP because 6000HP caused mechanical reliability problems.
Ya I did the math because 3 engines didn’t seem to be 15000 hp
Who cares, that's still a lot of power.
I was not aware that any of the AC's got the 6000 HP prime mover. Who made it?
The AC 6000’s were made by GE in the late 90’s. They pulled 6k hp out of a v-20 block if I remember right. They discontinued them due to crankshaft issues, a larger than average shaft pulling more horses couldnt take the strain and would have a habit of breaking at full throttle. Causing the need for major repairs when it did happen.
Good catch
Head em up move em out this freight is on a mission .
NOW that,s an HO scale train right.,....
Farewell Csx trio
Nice video!
It might not be 15000 hp because most ac6000cws are operated at 4,400 hp
CSX still has most of the original HDL-16s
@Soul Wiper yes. They do.
Might not be 15,000 hp a lot of those AC6000CW used the 4,400 hp engines because the 6,000 hp ones had major problems
This was before they were downrated
Severely great but I insist to me small and medium powered ge locomotives is much more artistically sounded than the big ones , but in the end the GE chugging rules .
HOW DO YOU like that one super heavy duty its kind of funny
Where I live up in mn I filmed a oil train grinding up the hill in saint Paul just search up max shelltrack it's pretty cool.
Is that a hill or a mound .
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Would have been more enjoyable to watch if you had kept the camera steady.
That looked like millenniumforce
Nice
I watch train videos that's a lot of power
I agree! Check out more of my videos if you like this one... because I've caught a lot more impressive trains since.
love this upload!!!!
Doing the math, the AC4400CW (4,400 HP), the SD40-2 (3,000 HP), and the AC6000CW (6000 HP) equal 13,400 HP.
+09trainman Actually, the AC6000CW is rated at 4,400hp, so it's a little less than that! No 6,000hp unit operates in North America. The only 6,000hp units still in service are with BHP in Australia.
StarWarsTrains Thanks for reminding me, that post was when I thought CSX still uses the 6000 HP diesel, now I know all in NA have been down-rated to 4,400 HP. So the real total is 11,800 HP.
09trainman Yep. Many assume that CSX and GE converted some units with GEVO-16 prime-movers, yet they were really just upgraded with GEVO electronics and converted with Tier 1-compliant 7FDL-16's (meaning the former 6,000hp 7HDL-16-equipped units).
Considering how big the bore and stroke of a GEVO-12 is, I highly doubt a GEVO-16 would be able to fit inside the carbody of an AC6000CW. It's possible, but the GEVO-16 doesn't quite meet EPA standards, which is why it's only available for foreign exports like the Chinese HXN5.
I'm actually running fiat Alice engines. Tug n tractor engines
3 freaky engines0:50
Interesting visually.
Where is Winston Yard at?
Lakeland Florida
Grate video
what were the units on the other train
Yah at the start down the line on another line there is a train
LOL How is this a hill? Apparently by Florida standards it is!
My sister-inlaw made a mountain out of a mole hill all by herself!
You can literally see it
excellent........very zen