This video and the one for the shocks are basically the must-see videos for each MTB rider that is choosing suspension! Thank you, Otter! For me it was very important to hear (in the chapter for the Super Z) the term "chatter-box". I know exactly what you mean. However I did not hear this term in any MTB channel. They only talk about plush ride. Well, you have noticed that otherwise good fork could feel rather terrible on high-speed breaking bumps. And for me this part is most important and I make the distinction here - if the fork is good on high-speed breaking bumps - for me it will most probably be good everywhere else.
Cheers dog. There is probably 5 bike UA-cam channels that will speak their mind. The rest are sell out marketing messages. While their videos may be more entertaining or excited than me. I decided after years and thousands of dollars wasted on GoPro products among others. I would just speak me mind and not worry about pleasing brands. It is a good fork better than Zeb. Just not at the park
@@OtterMTBtech All the best, man! The independent opinion is priceless these days. Yours is such and I watch and listen very carefully. Already picked some knowledge from your videos. Keep up and ride well!
I rode a 160mm Yari on my wife's bike for quite a bit and had nothing to complain about. Felt way more plush and active than my Fox 36 Performance Elite. I also managed to get it serviced last year no problem.
A very good video or shall I say channel. All videos are very good. When do you expect to prepare the Olins air shock test? I undecided between the 38 paired with the X2 and the Olins fork plus the Olins air shock. Maybe there is even an option to put the 38 up front and Olins air on the rear to avoid problems with the X2. Let me know what you think. Thank you
I hate air shocks. I’m heavy guy. I got ohlins air shock I need to go try. Skip the x2 let me explain it here the 21 to 23 is a seriously flawed design. They updated the main seal head for the 2024 year period Fox will warranty old ones if you do have the receipt, they consider it warranty when it’s actually a design flaw it’s similar in fashion to Ford hiding recall stuff. Half the bikes I sit on with x2 are blown up I have series of videos on the X2, the 2024 year they put a negative token in it. That made it absolutely trash, but it did have the updated seal head. This has me thinking I’m gonna do a x2 video.
@@OtterMTBtech How doess the olins air compare to the coil. Is it any good. When do you plan to post the review. Im buying one but im undecided. Im average weight 75kg. TNX
Epic video with good information! Would be great to hear thoughts on the updated Zeb with charger 3.1 and improved bushings, do they actually make a diffrence? Alot of praise for the updates, but critical comparison would be in order.
As someone who has struggled to find a plush fork the Lyrik 3.1 was a god send. Really plush but also playful. I dont envy anyone going into MTB new.. Took me 5 forks to find the right one
Update: Got the new 3.1 Zeb in 190mm, its very smooth compared to my old 3.0 Zeb and Zeb Charger R. Very plush but not too divey and HSC seems to work wonders limiting the travel usage in compressions. Very eager to start moving, no hand pain or harshness, amazing difference. The temperature has been here between +1 to +6c so not even optimal conditions. Didn't even do initial lower service since I wanted to see if the fork will get even better after 1st service. Using recommended pressures with ebike, earlier had to use slightly lower pressures, ~70psi at 90kg + 25kg bike. For last ride I've added my big TruTune insert, seems to allow fork to travel deeper with same pressure, still need to gauge if I will run with it or remove it.
I paired my 38 Ohlins with a fox float X tuned with a decent bit of damping outside of the LSC. Pairs well together actually. The Ohlins just only gets better the harder you ride it.
It would be honest to mention the PRESSURE of the front tire when testing forks ... i have a Commencal tempo Öhlins edition , a 36 ttx front fork , if i use the tire at the minimum recommended pressure (2,6 bar) its not so good , but when i use it with 1-1,5 its an absolute dream , like a magic carpet
Also btw you should maybe try the Charger 3.1 you can just upgrade the 3 with a small piston kit and you can add diffrent chimes for the Rebound dameper
Great vid. Mezzer Pro (at 170mm) paired to Formula Mod - so good on my Deviate Claymore. One question - and sorry if I missed it - but did you adjust for the weight of your bike being ebike (e.g. 24kg not 16kg) when setting up using the tables provided by manufacturers?
What's with the no support for RS forks? I can find all spares in stock just about everywhere for my 2023 Zeb Ult, 2024 Zeb Ult, 2017 pike and 10+ year old 30 Silver TK I run on my dirt jumper. Also easy to service and great manuals that are easy to find.
Awesome video and glad you confirmed my theory that the stock zeb rides best at 160(and hopefully the 150 i bought). I predict a Secus, Luftkappe, and or Trutune would make 170+ more good!
The Zeb with trutune is amazing. Almost perfect. First tried it on my analog bike with 170 Zeb Ult Charger 3 and after that swapped the 180mm 38 factory for a 180mm Zeb Ultimate on my ebike too. Have also ridden the Zeb with Smashpot. That's awesome too.
@@OtterMTBtech I had this happen on my Mattoc Pro (same air spring). I believe it has to do with the "reinvented Schrader valve" not fully sealing when you remove the pump allowing some air to move between the positive and "negative" air chambers. If you pull the air shaft you can see the little "poppet" valve on top which is what actuates when you attach a shock pump to the "Schrader" valve. You can try making sure that there isn't anything preventing it from fully closing/leaking air. (Manitou warrantied mine, so I didn't need to do this myself, but this was my plan prior to that warranty claim.) I don't think I can link to it here, but there's a pretty good cutaway illustration of the entire fork which shows the piece I'm talking about in red.
@@OtterMTBtech I feel they’re different but I’m getting what I feel I need to be more stable at speed, more so than the dhx2 and more affordably than push 11/6. Your videos have been helpful to me another average rider
@@OtterMTBtech The LSC shifts the whole curve up. You need to max out LSC before moving the HSC. It's also easy to tune and Manitou publishes tuning guides if you think you need it. I'm 165 lbs and run my Mezzer with two clicks LSC.
@@trentvlak would you recommend a damper for a mezzer, was looking to get the fork and mara but found the shock wont clear my frame, bummer. I like to ride chunk
What's weird is that Rockshox will out their forks on sale 4 years in. The 2020 fork I bought brand new was at 300$ and you're right, I dont see any kits anywhere lol I guess bike shops can do the work I could have done cheaper.
The ext forks I tried 35, 44, 50. No change. Zeb ATC 160 is same as 170 38. It’s just the way they feel on trail you can’t correct it from my experience
Ever tried running a shorter stem or longer offset than the common 40 mm stem and 44 mm offset? If u have longer offset than your stem you get way less understeer. For example i run a 31 mm renthal stem with my 51 mm offset rxf36x, and a 10 mm aerozine stem with my 37 mm offset mezzer. Steering is a lot more lively (or twitchy) than it is with stems that more closely match the fork offset. However with 40 mm stem and 44 mm fork offset, the bike is way more stable. You lean the bike with your body instead of turning with your arms. I like the lively steering and turning with my arms There are videos on this by Brian cahal, Rulezman, hardtail party, and 1 other guy I’m forgetting. I encourage everybody to research it.
I have 35, 45, 55 stem. Nothing fixed the 36 issue. Along with 50 40 30 ride bars. Full disclosed I don’t corner very good. Next season I’ll take lessons
What makes a bike understeer is: 1. bike picthing backwards in turn (making the head angle slacker) 2.Too long stem 3. Poor position on bike ( like C shaped back. No or little hinge in hips) this feel like you are "on it" bu in reality your weight is further back than it should be.
The progressive forks you may struggle to get full travel. RockShox made new compression tunes for that. Rebound tunes might not be fast enough for you. I start with them in full fast setting and never go slower than middle
Is there any "traveling fork" made for heavy packed Touring bikes, that im intressted in;) cause my recon silver rl 100mm is on it's limits,what i need is more a 38mm stantions 120mm travle with 180kg system Waight;)
This is a very long answer. I guess this is the place. From factory factory recommended rebound settings and air pressure could not even get to 3/4 of the travel. Remove tokens substantially better ride was able to access the upper 3/4 of the travel. Moving the rebound to the full fast setting dialing in the compression as rebound instead, two tokens back in the fork
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May I ask your height and weight, so that I can understand your preferences on suspension matching?
my 2022 Zeb Ultimate did not work well at all. My worst fork ever in 25 years. They seem to have great difference, some work, some do not. Looks like quality assurance problems from the factory. Also one fork leg was dry, no oil inside. Had this on a 2011 Boxxer as well. Rockshox seems to have low quality standards at its assemly lines in China. I changed it against a Fox 40 performance, which works great!
All RockShox forks ship dry. Unless the damper leaks. They are all made on the street in tawain. For sure quality control issues more so than Fox. Jack hammer air spring is not for everyone. The rebound three clicks faster than you’re used to no tokens then it will feel terrible
Amazing vid again, but sus af, I really hope we are not witnessing some big finale hidden here 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤔😕 Like, you do a vid on all the shocks and forks then BAM, the channel ends.
Thanks for positive feedback. I have to put the bikes on back burner, while market collapse and work on car related stuff much more. Tried to quite after coil video, but I enjoy bike videos 🍻
Couple of things The Lyrik is a trail fork not a down country fork like the Sid or Pike. In terms of the Lyrik’s performance your first problem is you’re running it at 160 on an E Bike you should be on a Zeb, Rockshox forks are known and proven to be the most buttery smooth and tractiony forks out there. Bushing tightness is a give and a take. More correctly sized bushing can feel less buttery smooth but can actually increase stiffness and precision making the fork feel better in the long run because there’s less flex on the system. Any reliable reviewer should also be able to tell the difference between bladder and IFP because there’s a big difference. While basic servicing on Fox products can be easy it’s when you get into harder damper disassembly or warranty services where Fox becomes non ideal. Also unsure why you’re comparing 3 worlds of price points and levels of forks you can’t compare a Ohlins to a Yari…
@@OtterMTBtech rockshox is innovating more than Fox that’s what pushes the industry. You need a nitrogen tank to property rebuild a Fox damper which I would think most people don’t have on hand. Especially if they have a kitchen scale “dyno..”
Let’s be friends bro. Enlighten me on RockShox innovations? I just tried to be fair judgement that for sure has some flaws. Fox shocks is different story 1 hour video coming soon. My dyno cost $10,000 at harbor freight fyi
@@OtterMTBtech Butter Cups, Position Sensitive Dampers, Wireless Electronic Suspension (Flight Attendant), tune kits for mass produced forks, adjustable and non adjustable HBO for air shock. I’m prolly forgetting something too, especially for the Boxxer.
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This video and the one for the shocks are basically the must-see videos for each MTB rider that is choosing suspension! Thank you, Otter! For me it was very important to hear (in the chapter for the Super Z) the term "chatter-box". I know exactly what you mean. However I did not hear this term in any MTB channel. They only talk about plush ride. Well, you have noticed that otherwise good fork could feel rather terrible on high-speed breaking bumps. And for me this part is most important and I make the distinction here - if the fork is good on high-speed breaking bumps - for me it will most probably be good everywhere else.
Cheers dog. There is probably 5 bike UA-cam channels that will speak their mind. The rest are sell out marketing messages. While their videos may be more entertaining or excited than me.
I decided after years and thousands of dollars wasted on GoPro products among others. I would just speak me mind and not worry about pleasing brands.
It is a good fork better than Zeb. Just not at the park
@@OtterMTBtech All the best, man! The independent opinion is priceless these days. Yours is such and I watch and listen very carefully. Already picked some knowledge from your videos. Keep up and ride well!
I rode a 160mm Yari on my wife's bike for quite a bit and had nothing to complain about. Felt way more plush and active than my Fox 36 Performance Elite. I also managed to get it serviced last year no problem.
The Öhlins RXF38, it ships with a pretty large negative volume spacer fitted. It’s really worth removing it.
Wouldn’t that depend on the rider? I’m 235lbs
I’m going to take it out to see. It’s still the best all around
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@@jeffgood1580I’m pushing 220 and it definitely works for me.
This video is gold. I appreciate your effort into this!
Thanks Otter, this looks like a ton of work. Great videos and commentary.
A very good video or shall I say channel. All videos are very good. When do you expect to prepare the Olins air shock test? I undecided between the 38 paired with the X2 and the Olins fork plus the Olins air shock. Maybe there is even an option to put the 38 up front and Olins air on the rear to avoid problems with the X2. Let me know what you think. Thank you
I hate air shocks. I’m heavy guy. I got ohlins air shock I need to go try. Skip the x2 let me explain it here the 21 to 23 is a seriously flawed design. They updated the main seal head for the 2024 year period Fox will warranty old ones if you do have the receipt, they consider it warranty when it’s actually a design flaw it’s similar in fashion to Ford hiding recall stuff. Half the bikes I sit on with x2 are blown up I have series of videos on the X2, the 2024 year they put a negative token in it. That made it absolutely trash, but it did have the updated seal head. This has me thinking I’m gonna do a x2 video.
@@OtterMTBtech How doess the olins air compare to the coil. Is it any good. When do you plan to post the review. Im buying one but im undecided. Im average weight 75kg. TNX
Epic video with good information! Would be great to hear thoughts on the updated Zeb with charger 3.1 and improved bushings, do they actually make a diffrence? Alot of praise for the updates, but critical comparison would be in order.
I will buy one this year. It’s a slight improvement. Grip 2 to grip x is larger jump and it’s hard to notice unless your looking
As someone who has struggled to find a plush fork the Lyrik 3.1 was a god send. Really plush but also playful. I dont envy anyone going into MTB new.. Took me 5 forks to find the right one
Update: Got the new 3.1 Zeb in 190mm, its very smooth compared to my old 3.0 Zeb and Zeb Charger R. Very plush but not too divey and HSC seems to work wonders limiting the travel usage in compressions. Very eager to start moving, no hand pain or harshness, amazing difference. The temperature has been here between +1 to +6c so not even optimal conditions. Didn't even do initial lower service since I wanted to see if the fork will get even better after 1st service. Using recommended pressures with ebike, earlier had to use slightly lower pressures, ~70psi at 90kg + 25kg bike. For last ride I've added my big TruTune insert, seems to allow fork to travel deeper with same pressure, still need to gauge if I will run with it or remove it.
You breaking hearts bro !!!
Sometimes it has to happen
I paired my 38 Ohlins with a fox float X tuned with a decent bit of damping outside of the LSC. Pairs well together actually. The Ohlins just only gets better the harder you ride it.
If it works it works
Wow! I really appreciate your work! Thanks!
Cheers dog.
It would be honest to mention the PRESSURE of the front tire when testing forks ... i have a Commencal tempo Öhlins edition , a 36 ttx front fork , if i use the tire at the minimum recommended pressure (2,6 bar) its not so good , but when i use it with 1-1,5 its an absolute dream , like a magic carpet
Great work, but definitely see how it all depends on the individual and what they want/need for their riding style...
Very true!
Also btw you should maybe try the Charger 3.1
you can just upgrade the 3 with a small piston kit
and you can add diffrent chimes for the Rebound dameper
Great vid. Mezzer Pro (at 170mm) paired to Formula Mod - so good on my Deviate Claymore.
One question - and sorry if I missed it - but did you adjust for the weight of your bike being ebike (e.g. 24kg not 16kg) when setting up using the tables provided by manufacturers?
Good video. I was looking at a yari and backed out of it. Thank you!! Also you should know the difference between to and too.
2 and 2 ? Yair and lyric? They seem the same besides damper
Eyy welcome back 👍 👍
Had to to break this is a unhealthy habit
What's with the no support for RS forks? I can find all spares in stock just about everywhere for my 2023 Zeb Ult, 2024 Zeb Ult, 2017 pike and 10+ year old 30 Silver TK I run on my dirt jumper. Also easy to service and great manuals that are easy to find.
Awesome video and glad you confirmed my theory that the stock zeb rides best at 160(and hopefully the 150 i bought). I predict a Secus, Luftkappe, and or Trutune would make 170+ more good!
Also I weigh 215 and LOVE my Vivid air at the 55mm stroke @27% sag with zero volume spacers, extra small bottom out bumper and custom damper tune!
@@craigmellin6217 security fixes that. Luftkappe will make it more progressive
The Zeb with trutune is amazing. Almost perfect. First tried it on my analog bike with 170 Zeb Ult Charger 3 and after that swapped the 180mm 38 factory for a 180mm Zeb Ultimate on my ebike too. Have also ridden the Zeb with Smashpot. That's awesome too.
Did you ever set up the Mezzer correctly = putting air when the bike is unweighted? You really need to do that or else the fork will suck down.
Yes my favorite fork but, does sag into travel even after.
@@OtterMTBtech strange. Mine does not :/
@@OtterMTBtech I had this happen on my Mattoc Pro (same air spring). I believe it has to do with the "reinvented Schrader valve" not fully sealing when you remove the pump allowing some air to move between the positive and "negative" air chambers. If you pull the air shaft you can see the little "poppet" valve on top which is what actuates when you attach a shock pump to the "Schrader" valve. You can try making sure that there isn't anything preventing it from fully closing/leaking air. (Manitou warrantied mine, so I didn't need to do this myself, but this was my plan prior to that warranty claim.) I don't think I can link to it here, but there's a pretty good cutaway illustration of the entire fork which shows the piece I'm talking about in red.
I really like the RockShox coil with HBO over the DHX2. But I’ll only run a fox 38 up front.
HBO is superior to Fox. Damping theory is different cheers on that
@@OtterMTBtech I feel they’re different but I’m getting what I feel I need to be more stable at speed, more so than the dhx2 and more affordably than push 11/6. Your videos have been helpful to me another average rider
Otter you're legend!
Cheers dog
Cheers dog
Since you tested aftermarket upgrade like Smashpot, what about something like Avalanche kit?
In my humble opinion you can never insist too much on how shitty motion control is.
Excellent video 👏
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A fast yari up transforms a motion control damper into something awesome 😊
3 star for the MC2 damper, I had a good laugh at that.
Should it be at zero?
He’s right I understand rated it. It’s world class , but lacks range
@@OtterMTBtech The LSC shifts the whole curve up. You need to max out LSC before moving the HSC. It's also easy to tune and Manitou publishes tuning guides if you think you need it. I'm 165 lbs and run my Mezzer with two clicks LSC.
@@trentvlak would you recommend a damper for a mezzer, was looking to get the fork and mara but found the shock wont clear my frame, bummer. I like to ride chunk
@@terytkonar7695 I'd recommend the stock Mezzer Pro. Excellent fork for chunk. What bike do you have that won't clear a Mara?
I really would love you to try and test the countersycle tuned mass damper!
Please?!?!
I’ll check it out
What's weird is that Rockshox will out their forks on sale 4 years in. The 2020 fork I bought brand new was at 300$ and you're right, I dont see any kits anywhere lol I guess bike shops can do the work I could have done cheaper.
Their is a company Anso makes the seal kit
Please consider fork offset and ATC when evaluating steering behaviour.
Exactly. He probably runs a 40 mm stem and the forks are probably 44 mm offset. Shorter stem or longer offset would alleviate the understeer
The ext forks I tried 35, 44, 50. No change. Zeb ATC 160 is same as 170 38. It’s just the way they feel on trail you can’t correct it from my experience
@@OtterMTBtech interesting, thanks for responding
@@OtterMTBtech did you just say that offset does not affect anything?
Ever tried running a shorter stem or longer offset than the common 40 mm stem and 44 mm offset?
If u have longer offset than your stem you get way less understeer. For example i run a 31 mm renthal stem with my 51 mm offset rxf36x, and a 10 mm aerozine stem with my 37 mm offset mezzer. Steering is a lot more lively (or twitchy) than it is with stems that more closely match the fork offset.
However with 40 mm stem and 44 mm fork offset, the bike is way more stable. You lean the bike with your body instead of turning with your arms. I like the lively steering and turning with my arms
There are videos on this by Brian cahal, Rulezman, hardtail party, and 1 other guy I’m forgetting. I encourage everybody to research it.
Also on the mezzer the sticker on the back of the bike is for the travel that it ships with. If u change it the settings are different
I have 35, 45, 55 stem. Nothing fixed the 36 issue. Along with 50 40 30 ride bars. Full disclosed I don’t corner very good. Next season I’ll take lessons
@@OtterMTBtech I’m definitely not the best in corners myself. I just feel like not many ppl know how this can affect steering. Thanks for the input
What makes a bike understeer is:
1. bike picthing backwards in turn (making the head angle slacker)
2.Too long stem
3. Poor position on bike ( like C shaped back. No or little hinge in hips) this feel like you are "on it" bu in reality your weight is further back than it should be.
What fork in 150mm would you recommend for a big jumps with steep lips and drops only ?
170 fork hehe
How exactly do intend on slowing down rebound by adding compression?
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This test is amazing, but I'm 65kg. How can I adjust your findings so they suit me?
The progressive forks you may struggle to get full travel. RockShox made new compression tunes for that. Rebound tunes might not be fast enough for you. I start with them in full fast setting and never go slower than middle
@@OtterMTBtech thank you very much! A Fox 38 is probably out of my budget, I will most likely go for a charger 3.1 zeb if i can get a good deal
Would you go for a Öhlins coil or Ext coil shock with the Öhlins fork?
Safe bet to match.
Did you try the lyrik charger 3 with buttercups?
Negative ghost rider
Did you call the lyrik a downcountry fork???
Is there any "traveling fork" made for heavy packed Touring bikes, that im intressted in;) cause my recon silver rl 100mm is on it's limits,what i need is more a 38mm stantions 120mm travle with 180kg system Waight;)
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Did you take the two tokens out of the Super Z later on in order to make it less progressive?
This is a very long answer. I guess this is the place. From factory factory recommended rebound settings and air pressure could not even get to 3/4 of the travel.
Remove tokens substantially better ride was able to access the upper 3/4 of the travel.
Moving the rebound to the full fast setting dialing in the compression as rebound instead, two tokens back in the fork
May I ask your height and weight, so that I can understand your preferences on suspension matching?
220lb 6’2” all 50 lb plus Ebike’s
@@OtterMTBtech195lbs here, same weight bike, your thoughts on suspension settings and preferences are pretty close to mine
try intend suspension
They don’t even sell it here USA
Dude. My Christmas list is already getting out of hand ...
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Here we go again...
my 2022 Zeb Ultimate did not work well at all. My worst fork ever in 25 years. They seem to have great difference, some work, some do not. Looks like quality assurance problems from the factory. Also one fork leg was dry, no oil inside. Had this on a 2011 Boxxer as well. Rockshox seems to have low quality standards at its assemly lines in China. I changed it against a Fox 40 performance, which works great!
All RockShox forks ship dry. Unless the damper leaks. They are all made on the street in tawain. For sure quality control issues more so than Fox. Jack hammer air spring is not for everyone. The rebound three clicks faster than you’re used to no tokens then it will feel terrible
forks/selva-s???
35mm stanchions had to pass
Amazing vid again, but sus af, I really hope we are not witnessing some big finale hidden here 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤔😕 Like, you do a vid on all the shocks and forks then BAM, the channel ends.
Thanks for positive feedback. I have to put the bikes on back burner, while market collapse and work on car related stuff much more. Tried to quite after coil video, but I enjoy bike videos 🍻
@@OtterMTBtech phew thank god you enjoy making them ❤️ This community loves you bro, but I understand it's a damn money pit.
Why you didnt like the new lyrik chassis?
The air spring is trash. Probably the bushings to tight
I’m sorry but that red stem and handlebar combo is hideous 😂
Totally told my friend that. Very loud
Couple of things
The Lyrik is a trail fork not a down country fork like the Sid or Pike. In terms of the Lyrik’s performance your first problem is you’re running it at 160 on an E Bike you should be on a Zeb, Rockshox forks are known and proven to be the most buttery smooth and tractiony forks out there. Bushing tightness is a give and a take. More correctly sized bushing can feel less buttery smooth but can actually increase stiffness and precision making the fork feel better in the long run because there’s less flex on the system. Any reliable reviewer should also be able to tell the difference between bladder and IFP because there’s a big difference. While basic servicing on Fox products can be easy it’s when you get into harder damper disassembly or warranty services where Fox becomes non ideal.
Also unsure why you’re comparing 3 worlds of price points and levels of forks you can’t compare a Ohlins to a Yari…
@@OtterMTBtech rockshox is innovating more than Fox that’s what pushes the industry. You need a nitrogen tank to property rebuild a Fox damper which I would think most people don’t have on hand. Especially if they have a kitchen scale “dyno..”
Let’s be friends bro. Enlighten me on RockShox innovations? I just tried to be fair judgement that for sure has some flaws. Fox shocks is different story 1 hour video coming soon. My dyno cost $10,000 at harbor freight fyi
@@OtterMTBtech Butter Cups, Position Sensitive Dampers, Wireless Electronic Suspension (Flight Attendant), tune kits for mass produced forks, adjustable and non adjustable HBO for air shock. I’m prolly forgetting something too, especially for the Boxxer.
BRIGHT RACING SHOX..... another plaet
The price
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