I'm so glad I graduated from the Gaming chair style. Buying an ergonomic office chair has been the absolute best move for the home setup in years, hands down. My posture is better, my shoulders feel lighter, I feel more productive, and I don't have to be ashamed of sitting in a neon carseat whenever there's a video call.
That's certainly the levels of recline I use on the fancy herman miller chairs at work, being able to lounge but still have full back support has spoiled me for any other chairs. There's also the bonus of seeing other people plop themselves down into one I've adjusted expecting a standard sitting position but actually fly back into a full lounging posture, the shock when they continue to "fall" backwards is always funny
Ergonomics is an interesting thing because depending on the size of the person the needs are very different. For example, so many people say "avoid gaming chairs" and to get an ergonomic office chair so I did. I have been using an ErgoChair from Autonomous for years and while its a good chair. I recently decided to ignore all comments about anti-gaming chairs because of one thing, I'm rather tall. I am between 6'4" - 6'5" and there is no office chair that I could find designed to fit me. On the other hand, the Secret Labs Titan XL is made for people of taller stature so I decided to give it a shot. I havent had it long enough to review it but so far I do have to say that I like the fact that my head is actually supported by the headrest unlike every office chair I have ever sat in.
@@Clumaex thank you for the suggestion! I looked it up and it seems like this chair is not available for people in the United States or at least I haven't found a vendor that has it available in United States. I'm about 194cm and as a quick update the Titan XL is not really tall enough lol its better than others but still.
I'm just about to buy a gaming chair. But why is it called a gaming chair, I don't know. I like to have it because I think I can sit, rest and even sleep comfortably I believe. Hopefully it's a good choice.
@@sootuckchoong7077 I would really suggest looking into getting a refurbished ergonomic chair for the same or similar price. Your back will thank you. This is coming from someone who has owned a DxRacer for 4-5 years. I had to heavily modify this chair before I could make it somewhat comfortable. Trust me, I would go back to get an ergonomic chair 10 out of 10 times if I could.
@@michael_tunnell That's kind of wild, the Secretlabs Titan XL 2022 is supposed to be tall enough for people up to 6'7". I'm only around 6'1" so I got the Titan XL 2022 and it's working really well for me. The headrest is a big thing for me too, so many ergo office chair headrests also didn't work for me. The new lumbar support I've found comparable to how comfortable the lumbar support on my old used Aeron was until it broke (unfortunately no warranty on a used chair for HM). Haven't had it long enough for myself to speak on the durability of the chair -- I'm a big dude and I work from home so it's hard to find chairs that don't just fall apart on me because of my size + length of daily use. We'll see on that front. I will say that ergo office chairs 100% tend to be built better than 99% of gaming chairs out there though. Hopefully Secretlabs is different for me because I really like the way this thing looks in my space too lol.
I mean gamers nexus tested it and came to the conclusion that all gaming chairs are shit. Except for the herman miller x logitech one which costs more than the RTX3090.
@@NyangisKhan i don't like the complitist shit and all the theory things, but i don't understand why in some weeks, gaming chairs went from best to worst
@@jyxiaa Because one day suddenly someone got up from bed and tested it. Also I think a guy who actually designs chairs for racing cars commented that it's a stupid trend or something. I remember seeing it on reddit almost an year ago.
I'm 6'8 and heavy, most chairs do not have high backs, and also a lot of them do not support more than 300 lbs. Thinking about a secret labs titan xl for 35" backrest (good for 6 feet 10 inches) and 395 lb capacity
I really despise what the term "gaming" has become associated with. It used to be that when you bought a gaming product, you bought something actually designed to be useful for gaming. Gaming mice for example typically have higher DPI or more buttons. Gaming displays have high refresh rates and things like onscreen crosshairs. But then the decline started with gaming headsets, which featured pretty colors; gaming PCs, which featured pretty colors; and of course gaming chairs, which featured pretty colors AND generally worse comfort features.
Gaming mice have evolved back from being edgy and geometric to becoming as ergonomic and efficient as possible; maybe because of the recent rise of FPS games and the decline of the MOBA genre. Anything else with the "gaming" tag these days is a joke.
i mean thats how it works with any term look at what corporations like apple have done to "pro" for example thats just the way it goes u cant escape it or change it
" gaming PCs, which featured pretty colors" I disagree with this point gaming in computing is the main reason why graphic cards improved to what they are today so gaming PC is indeed a right term indeed a PC with not that many numbers cores, mid num of ram, and heavy focus is a gaming PC an ML Eng one will focus more on RAM a Streaming one will focus more on more ram and more importantly more CPU cores a dev one will focus more dependable on what you are developing for example more CPU cores (Game/mobile Dev) a cyber sec one also depends on where you are in the field might focus more on CPU,Ram and doesn't really care much if at all for the graphic card (as if cracking is needed a dedicated cracking machine will be built or now we rely more in the cloud) so yeah a Gaming PC fit perfectly
gaming headsets usually have higher bass for hearing footsteps and gunshots, gaming pc's usually are pc's designed to run games at its best potential, gaming chairs is still quite confusing for me tho.
Tbh buying a chair is a lottery, since most of the choice is online and you can't try them on, and even if you could, a 3 min sit down is not the same as sitting there for more.
Obyvvatel This is so true! I've been visiting malls for days, trying at least 10 office and gaming chars, and they all kinda seem comfortable, but what happens after 20+ hours siting on some specific model? You can't test that until you buy it... It's frustrating and time consuming
I would like to point out that gaming chairs have different sizes. If you've bought one and it's too tight for you, then you picked the wrong size option.
The racing style gaming chair is horrible for posture, regardless of the size. The bolstering on the backrest literally forces the user to roll their shoulders forward, which is never a good thing. These chairs are made primarily for aesthetics.
@@Nigel__ that only happens if you bought a chair that is too small for you. I have a secretlab titan 2020 and 2022 xl and my shoulders (i'm a size 44) are straight against the backrests.
I’m a gaming chair guy. I bought expensive office chairs and the seats always rip. I bought a cheap gaming chair and it last for three years until I upgraded to a better game chair.
If only standard office chairs leaned back as much as the gaming chairs, they'd be perfect. I get in the office environment it's not practical, but for the home office environment for people like myself that spends most of their time there, it is.
@@pjitiwong Sometimes u're on the computer and want to take a nap but at the same time u don't want to walk to the bed either because u are too lazy or because if go to bed you lose your will to sleep. At least that's how I feel
I tend to go with the executive office chairs and wait for a good sale to make up for the higher cost. They tend to be made comfortable enough to sit in them for multiple hours at a time, with lots of padding. The high backs make them easy to lean back on, too.
Used a (too small, too unadjustable) gaming chair for working-from-home (and continuing with gaming in evenings), paired with a too-low unadjustable "gaming" desk, and it took only about 4 months to develop actual sciatica. Now working in any position is painful, and fixing it (exercise, physiotherapist visits) takes extremely long time. Picking the "gaming" options, instead of a decent office setup with adjustable desk, basically cost me at least a year of my health (if recovery goes smoothly...)
@@Theydas some people have bad backs, and require proper padding most gaming chairs don't have. And sitting in a chair for 1 minute is barely a guage of how comfortable a chair will be after sitting for hours. So get off your high horse.
@@Theydas its not exactly easy to tell what a good size would be especially considering that most gaming chairs you dont see in stores and have to be ordered online.
"And you don't care so much about having 4-way adjustable arms and fancy lumbar support" *Frowns while sitting in his fancy secretlab gaming chair with 4-way adjustable arms and fancy lumbar support*
Yep, they were smart to make their new chair more like an office chair. Definitely one of the best racing chairs available because of those changes. -RB
Can't belive I'm actually commenting on something.... Anyhow, I do care more about posture and health and gaming on my old Walmart office chair was killing my back. And sometimes after work come home and game and fall asleep in it. Yeah that was painful. Now I spent a bit shopping for a chair and I can't bring myself to spend hundreds on a chair like this. Now those prices he stated about all of them being under 400 is true. What he failed to mention was him comaoirimg a racer that you can get anywhere from 80 to 110 dollor, comparing that to an office chair costing 300 plus dollor. That's a big difference for someone like me who wouldn't want to spend that much. Now in the end I did buy a racing style chair, not the gt racer or whatever it's called. And I spent a little over 200 and that, for me, is insane lol. But I had to. But I went with the racing style chair cause it was the only one in my price range that offered the lumbar support, the custom leather, the adjustable arm rests, tilt, rocking and all that. In that same price range I found nothing office chair style that offered all of that and seemed of good quality. So I'm calling bullshit on the whole price to features thing where office chairs are better and offer more in way of function. Now I can't speak on durability as far as the chair I purchased goes, but it Seems sturdy and it's very comfortable. I wanted an office style chair, these racing chairs are just cliche and idk, everyone has one and I don't like being part of a mass group lol (and I actually do mostly Sim racing and still wanted an office chair) . But for the money it was the better option from what I found. Keep in mind I'm also including quality of build in this too. So yeah I found office chairs that can do what my racer does but they were cheap and just not seemingly well made. And reviews, their about useless cause everyone either says they're garbage or amazing. Idk. But this video seemed a bit misleading. Price points were exaggerated when comparing 2 chairs to each other. That secret lab, THAT chair is expensive and that was a fair comparison. But comparing the gt racer, those chairs are as base and cheap as they come. And compare that to a 350 dollor office chair? Get out of here. That's not even the same leuge acting like the racer has less features and made without function. No shit, cause it's a cheap chair. Lol.
There are gaming chairs that offer 4-way adjustable arm rests. I do agree that the flimsy strapped lumbar support is terrible, there are other options that provide an incredible lumbar support. I personally bought the AndaSeat Kaiser 2. Even though I bought an oversized chair, it provides so much comfort and support in all aspects which I use for gaming and my home office career. Having a headrest on your chair is comfort on another level! I do with there was a mix of office chair and gaming chair. But until then, my AndaSeat is killing it!
A friend of mine just dumped a one-year-old Secret Lab for a five-year-old Herman Miller Aeron and loves it. Pretty sure that's what I'll get now. But I have no problem if someone wants a highly-decorated gaming chair because they think it looks cool. We're all different.
Ah, yes. A used Chair. Love the smell?? Alone the thought of how many hours of farts might be in the foam of the seating, sweat absorbed in the fabrics makes me shiver and puke. Never ever would i buy a used char. Almost as gross as buying a used toothbrush.
the video everyone anticipated but no one dared to ask! thx btod. ps: just saw the vera chair with the optional headrest. it'd be nice if you did a review of wether it's worth it or not and the adjustments it offers
Thanks for watching! I wouldn’t recommend the headrest on the Vera unless you’ve sat in the chair and know it’s a good fit. This is because it is fixed height and there isn’t any adjustment to it at all -GK
Coming from a guy who is 180cm, 80kg, and has minor scoliosis, the SecretLab Titan XL is really really good. It's big, doesn't constrict movement, has fantastic posture, adjustable lumbar support, adjustable overall chair tilt, very stable, very rigid, and durable. If you want to buy a quality chair that costs around USD 400-500, get a quality gaming chair like SecretLab. They are definitely no Herman Millers, but the quality and durability are almost always better than an office chair at the same price range. If you have a lot of money to burn, get a top end office chair, no gaming chair thus far can compete with top of the line office chairs like Herman Miller.
this, 100%. So many of the replies that are contesting secret lab's chairs cite like HM aeron remastered's and other $1000+ price point chairs that are not worth it. I'm 193cm 90kg and titan XL fits me fantastically, and after looking for an office chair in the same price point when I was shopping for a new seat, I could find nothing that came close to my size even heightwise.
What gets me interested into a gaming chair is the wide back tilt I can't get from an ergonomic chair I use right now. Plus the mesh gets all the crumbs and cat hair stuck.
@@TinkerTactical he is right tho ,u have to try a good ergonomic against a gaming chair and trust me it is night and day ,I tried the Herman miller aeron and it is the better chair then any gaming chair I have tried and I have tried them a lot ,to the point I sold my gaming chair to get a used aeron chair ,I would recommend you to try it out ,u will never buy any gaming chair anymore .
@@Omar-kl3xp I have had an Aeron for 10 years and recently got a Secret Lab Titan Evo and it is a game changer. Aeron is great for coding and programming but if I want to come home and chill then I am sitting in the secret lab, besides the lumbar support in the secret lab is much more adjustable and fits me better and I don't have to drop $1800 on an Embody.
@@CaptainLooks you may want to check out the Secret Lab Titan Evo before you lump all gaming chairs into the same category. I have had an Aeron for 10 years so I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about.
@@TinkerTactical Btw I paid $280 for a used aeron , it is fully spec ,I was lucky to get it from a office that was closing down ,for the same price I cannot find a better chair out there ,not only these aeron are built to last ,as One my family member has got a aeron since 1997 which it is well over 20 years and it still working probably,but they also offer you a 12 years warranty,something that no gaming chair offer you ,gaming chair don’t last as much as the Aaron chair .
When I was younger I messed up my back, so I'm very picky about my posture. I had a gaming chair for two years, I noticed I slouched in the chair which messed up my back. I recently got a steelcase series 1 chair and my seated posture feels great, and the cushion and mesh back is much more comfortable.
I have a gaming chair, and leaning the back .. back, isn't comfortable at all, you end up with the head much lower down that intended. I just lock the back and tilt the seat instead. While I've had my chair for almost 3 years and it still has no noticeable wear and tear, I am swapping it for an office chair for better ergonomics.
I bought an Embody this year, and thus far, I have no regrets. I graduated from exclusively buying Secret Labs chairs, and while they're great, they pale in-comparison to the Herman Miller lineup.
I actually just moved from a mid tier office chair to a secretlab titan evo 2022, and honestly I think the adjustable lumbar feels better, its not placebo because I am sitting in it all day and I do feel an improvement.
I just went down to SL showroom yesterday and I gotta admit the adjustable lumbar definitely won me over. Initially I also thought SL was overhyped and decided to go down and look/feel for myself.
Do you think getting the Secretlab was worth the price compared to some other off brand/cheaper style gaming chairs, because I was just looking at getting one but I'm not sure if its worth spending this much more for the difference it makes between the chairs
@@saltpug3996 I guess it depends on how willing you are to keep the chair clean. The weather in singapore is not fit for the leather chair. The fabric one needs a lot more effort to take care of when compared to the leather chair. For myself I decided to give up on SL and went for the mesh gaming chair at Hinomi instead.
One thing to make sure to check is the reviews for a product. Specifically the negative ones. They can be your first sign that a chair is actually really bad and you should be wary if there aren't many reviews in the first place (or simply all positive ones since 5 star reviews are practically worthless these days). Also, be wary of shady business practices. If you see someone mention those sorts of horror stories with the company, it's probably a good idea to stay away. Speaking of horror stories, my last chair was actually an office chair from Vinsetto that seemed pretty good at first, but wound up being utter shit. One of the armrests wouldn't tighten properly. The cushioning was meh at best. The chair started randomly sinking after a few months. Eventually, it completely crapped out and wouldn't raise up at all. It even left these obnoxious black plastic shavings on my floor. And when I left a review? The shitty company went "nah, not our product" and deleted it. Why the hell does Amazon even allow that?! Incidentally, when I took a picture of it in the trash to prove that it was in fact their terrible product, the review still didn't stay around. Stay away from this company and their products. Stay FAR away.
omg, I was literally going to purchase the Vinsetton gaming chair on Amazon just now. Luckily I searched on youtube for information about office chairs vs gaming chairs and found your comment. they only have two 5-stars reviews on Amazon which was super suspicious
I appreciate your mention of reviews. Overseas review factories are actually a thing now, and they'll go as far as purchasing products to appear as a verified purchaser, then the review contractors return the items to the manufacturer for reimbursement. Their loss for a flipping transaction is just another marketing expense. Sometimes they're easy to spot - brief, generic accolades that could be for any product with little to no detail, and often in absolute crap English. Then, some genuine reviewers who've taken the time to conscientiously craft a detailed 5 star review have been plagiarized. Their review is copied and reposted under a new name for a competing product. If you look closely at the features detailed by the original author's review, then look at the features of the product supposedly being reviewed, these features may not even match. The reviewer might actually say how much they appreciate that their new tool doesn't use an allen wrench that they'll have to carry and keep track of, but the picture of the tool shows an allen wrench and says right in the product description that the allen wrench is included! And the more a bona fide review is marked "Helpful" by other shoppers, the more likely it is to be plagiarized, either word for word or with rearrangement. As I became aware of this, I paid closer attention to those negative 1 & 2 star reviews, except I next discovered that wholesale bashing of competing products is another part of the service offered by the review factories. They may even go on to say they returned a product, and of course they're thrilled with a replacement sold by the manufacturer who has contracted them for fake reviews. Name any box store or online vendor that sells Chinese products where 'Reviews' are part of the shopping experience, and you'll need the best of your Spidey Senses to discern authenticity. I'm leaning back toward local retail. Whether it's a chair I can actually sit in and explore, or a pair of gloves I can pull on, my record of satisfaction is substantially better with hands on shopping.
I've thought of getting the gaming chair later. I don't just depend on reviews. I think the gaming chair will be my best choice, just through the looks of it. I've seen those office chairs thrown in rubbish dumps with the seats broken off. Hopefully I can enjoy the gaming chair later.
I buy stuff that has atleast 3.5 stars and a good 30k+ reviews because once i bought this terrible pillow with 5 stars but almost everybody rated it around 2 stars and i bought a scam
I have a fairly expensive office chair for my at home setup. And then I sat in my husband's expensive gamer chair and it was so much more comfortable. My back pain went away once I started using my husband's gaming chair. And my work had a professional ergonomic company come in to setup my office setup with my office chair and it still did not help.
@@argotheinformant it's not Rare, it's about the chair quality and design setup, I tried 4 gaming chairs and i found the ASUS ROG gaming chair is the most comfortable chair from all of them.
Yeah, I've had the same experience. Those expensive office chairs just aren't comfortable compared to a good gaming chair. One thing I hate about them is the back leans back independent of the seat and it's especially bad if the back or seat is mesh. Mesh is a really stupid idea!
My gaming chair have this tilt thing I guess some have that. I hoped for great sitting experience, I didn't care about looks. I thought it would be much better to sit for long time, and it's definitely comfortable but I may try office chair one day and see if it's better.
As someone short in statue, I gotta say that I have yet to find an office chair, in the price range of a decent gaming chair, that would offer lumbar support which I'd be able to adjust... to actually support my back in the lumbar area and not way too high up.
@@btodtv Not all gaming chairs are bad , SecretLabs are a mixed between a gaming chair and office chair and are of a high standard , that can't be said , for all gaming chair brands
I’ve got a Humanscale Freedom and a Sparco chair. There are so many gaming chairs trying to look like race car seats. Sparco make race car seats and sell a pedestal that bolts to them so they can be used as a chair. There’s a big difference between something that looks like a car seat and an actual car seat.
I dunno man....my Secretlab Titan 2020 comes with a 5 yr warranty, has a built in lumbar support that isn't just some back pillow, has a support weight limit of 290 lbs, and gives me the freedom to move around in the chair unlike most racing style chairs.
I bought a herman miller mirra 2 chair after all the ergonomic health hype I've read about. It just wasn't comfy no matter what I tried. Decided to buy a secret lab titan for 1/3rd the price and its way more comfortable.
I was having this same thought whenever he brought up features a similarly priced office chair would have over a gaming chair. I'm like 80% sure that the 2020 Titan has 4D armrests, long total mechanical warranty, adjustable lumbar, forward tilt, etc. I'm personally looking at the 2022 model right now, but the old one had almost all the same features except the up and down adjustment on lumber.
@@Fyrium I could see the up and down feature of the lumbar being a nice upgrade. I personally always have a lumbar pillow not matter what chair I use. The secret lab chairs are definitely not some run of the mill gaming chair. The seat cushion is a firm foam which breaks in over time/ you get more accustomed to it. This foam is quality. Its not some cushy foam that feels good initially but bottoms out over time. My 2020 arms go left, right, up, down, forward, backward, and also pivot in or out.
@@zooyorkk Herman Miller is overrated. Fine for office/work setting but not fine for relaxed setting (gaming, watching movies). IMO they're really not meant for recreational home use, there are better options. Works fine for me at work, would never want to use it for gaming.
Can someone recommend the best all rounder office chair with adjustable lumbar support, mesh seat & headrest for around 150-300 British pounds. Thanks in advance!
A SIGNIFICANT flaw I notice with most modern office chairs is that the upper-back of the chair leans away from the user too far, so the user has to recline in order to be sitting against the full back of the chair (even if the back is fully tilted forward), but if the user is trying to sit upright, the upper-back of the chair is too far away from the user's back, meaning that their upper body, particularly the shoulders, are unsupported. In addition, with any chair using this design that has a headrest, the headrest is too far from the head, due to being mounted on the tilted part of the chair. When it comes to lumbar-support, the adjustable lumbar support mechanism is sometimes mounted on plastic, which bends away from the user when pressure is applied by sitting in it. With all this in mind, I cannot imagine that this can be healthy long-term. I have not used gaming chairs, but based on the examples in this video that they at least try to account for head and shoulder support by making the chair large enough for that. Also, they seem to rely on dense (but not solid) material instead of mesh and plastic, which probably reduces pliability and provides more support.
This video is an absoulte MVP. My gaming chair just broke on me yesterday and I was looking for a new chair to buy and immediately considered another gaming chair of course. But then I asked my brother and he asked me if I would consider maybe buying an office chair like he has. I then thaught: Well what exactly are all the differences that those two types have. The race car type sticking out of course but I wanted to know all of the differences. After your video I asked him if I could test his a bit to see if it works out too for me. It did and it has all those things I would never have checked for if your video didn't tell me and now I think i will get an office chair thanks for your help.
Gaming chairs are evolving though, we now have the Herman miller embody logitech gaming chair, and also Mavix has a lineup of high end ergonomic gaming chairs that are very different from the typical racing style gaming chairs.
Not much evolution there if I am being honest. Herman Miller just changed the color on their chairs and called them "gaming" to take advantage of that market. The Mavix chair is just the X-Chair rebranded into a "gaming" version. The X-chair did terrible in our testing for our best office chairs of 2021 list. It has one of the worst overall scores we have ever given to an office chair. For $900, I was thoroughly unimpressed with X-chair/Mavix. -RB
If i might add, the reasons i chose office chair over gaming chair; a) this bucket seat type limits your shoulder movement and tends to push your shoulder forward, b) gaming chair tends to have solid backrest compared to meshes in office chair, and c) there are no support in gaming chair's backrest, meaning, if you try to straighten up your upper body, the backrest not going to add support "pushing" you up, compared to office chair, they usually support you at a slightest will you want to lean forward.
Really good vid but I would like to point that in MOST gaming chair you can remove the back attachments which makes it quite more comfortable,well at least for me that's why I would prefer a gaming chair over an office 1
That can help some. When you remove the back pad there is almost zero lumbar support on most gaming chairs and that can be even worse if you need support -GK
What I like most about the gaming/racing chairs is they make u feel like you are sat In them. But I bought a leap v2 & i hated it because it felt like it was kicking me out of it. Do you know of any office chair/s that keeps you in it like a racing/gaming chair does?
I am Student and spend most of the time sitting. The previous chair that I used lacked headrest so caused a problem. So pls suggest me a chair that's comfortable not fancy with headrest.
I think something a lot of people overlook also is that a car seat is supposed to support you as you're driving and accelerating, thus giving you a lot more contact with the cushion vs slouching forward while using the computer. They're completely different applications with different sets of ergonomic requirements. One of the reasons I want something like an Aeron so badly is the forward tilt support, it really follows and supports you even if you're not actively leaning into it, and to me that's invaluable - actual game changer in my view on chairs and ergonomics after trying some Herman Millers in store.
What do you mean "forward tilt support" i have an AKRacing Onyx Deluxe Leather Black and I have the opportunity to send it back by the end of the month, it would be a major task to box it back up but it CAN be done, if and only if this "Forward Tilt Support" is a game changer. Are you saying that it would give me a more upright and forward leaning i might need to do gaming on my computer? I like my chair, it's VERY BIG and comfy and is awesome looking albeit all black but the leather front stitching is next level. I guess it would be nice to have some addition levers and mechanisms,,, it has adjustable armrests and and a couple of chair adjustments but as you know, that's where gaming chair adjustments stop and start...not a ton. thanks so much in advance!!!!
@@harpoon_bakery162 Have a look at the fully kitted-out Aeron and Mirra 2, they have an additional option to have the seat follow you forward by a few degrees with the seat and backrest and it's a game changer for me as someone who sits upright a lot and has shorter than average legs (so, not getting optimal foot-to-floor contact on many chairs).
@@JennyDarukat Ok, so I checked out my AKRacing Onyx Deluxe Leather as far as tilt-forward, it does tilt forward certainly enough as it goes completely forward but I know that not exactly what you are talking about. This additional option that has the few degrees of "follow you forward" sounds as cool as an arctic wind. I do have long legs however 6'3" athletic frame, However, I'm still intrigued by these models you speak of. Also, I just stumbled upon a chair called Noble Chairs EPIC , so I'm interested to know if you've heard of that? I still have about a week or two to un-assmeble my chair, box it up (won't be easy) and send it back to Best Buy per their policy (for a full refund and full shipping back to them (although I could run it over to them and save them shipping. So now that Noble Chairs entered into the mix in addition to the SecretLabs Titan Comfort Weave / PU Leather / Napa Leather options. WOW, now even more options into the mix. I really appreciate you bringing these gems into the mix. I just spent 749.00 US dollars on the AKRacing Onxy Deluxe Leather Black and am not even sure if it has COLD- PRESSED Foam, it might not (Noble Chairls made it sound like a game changer and that these days, you MUST have the COLD-PRESSED Foam so that it holds up over time and will not deform and cause problems over time. SO there's that too. Gosh, this is overwhelming. ANd I noticed that Noble Chairs has a white these with MANY different chairs and I'm going with a Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Snow White Build and my main monitor is a 34" Alienware Ultra-Wide Curved , So I have a few items that are white, but without haveing white laminate wood flooring installed yet, I might hold off on the fully white theme because it gets expensive to get everything to white including desk and gaming chair. Thanks so much.
I dont know if this is viable to you but the 2020 Secret Labs chairs do have forward tilt support. You can lock it in a leaning forward position for people who prefer that style to work, this is one of the reasons I recently bought one of those.
@@michael_tunnell Is it a forward lock or a forward tilt follow? I think a lock wouldn't do very well for me since I vary how I sit a lot - it's the following combined with the way the mesh accommodates the different parts of your back on the Aeron that really makes it so great imo, especially on a tighter tension setting. It's a little like an orthopedic brace without the harshness, if that makes any sense.
Was forced to buy a gc because the oc where I live are either too cheap or too expensive and the warranty is the same, the market here has organically decided that gc are the go to for price to performance. I did manage to find a gc with single colour and non outlandish looks.
I got the Alfordson. It was really bad and fell apart. I then graduated to the Secret Lab chair which has a knob to adjust lumbar height and another for curve. Not sure how or where the Lumber should be. I am terrified of a mesh office chairs because I am heavy. And my skin deals better with synthetic leathers. Do you have any ergonomic videos specifically on the best practices for supporting the lumbar?
I owned a gaming style chair for a few years. It didn't take long for the cushion to bottom out after long use, which would cause a lot of discomfort after a couple hrs... like sitting on a hard floor. I switched to a second hand Aeron, which is pricy but I've had no issues with discomfort, plus the chair is known to last for ages, so the price is less of an issue.
I'm gonna buy a gaming chair, and I'm gonna put an extra cushion over it, not just to make the comfort last longer but also to avoid my cats from scratching it! 🐱
@@sootuckchoong7077 I hope that's a joke. If you do that, you're literally wasting your money. Gaming chairs are overpriced chairs, that aren't even designed around proper ergonomics. Just get an office/computer chair. If you wanna spend big bucks, just do what I did.
@@harpoon_bakery162 I didn't even bother with the warranty. Maybe I should've, but what I was looking for in my new chair were very different from what I had at the time, and it just didn't make sense to even try, if I was getting something different.
@@McCool117 Actually, as he had said, the price for both is quite the same. I've already bought an office chair a long time ago. Now I'd like to try the gaming chair.
I’m in a position where I’m buying used, so will probably buy gaming as I have never owned an office gaming chair. But later in life when I buy new, I would get the best office chair at that time. I just wanna try it out rn, and see if it really is as terrible as people say they are.
I have really bad posture, my shoulders are too far forward. I don't understand how I'm suppose to sit in my gaming chair when there is side bolsters sticking out from the sides at shoulder level. It forces me to slouch forward with my shoulders since there's no room to pull them back in a natural position. The bucket seat design is really bad for my posture. I really need help, I've looked all over for a solution for this problem but I've had no luck. A response would be greatly appreciated because my chair is ruining my body and I can't afford a new one 😔😔
I got one a few days ago and I love it. I’ve never had a gaming chair before and bought it because I couldn’t find an office chair tall enough to keep my shoulders, neck and head supported. The neo-leatherette material feels great and it comes with a built-in adjustable lumbar support. I’m happy with my purchase.
@@0741921 It's decent. VERY firm but forces you to sit in a correct posture. Not even close to being the most comfortable chair I've sat in but I am sure it will help my posture. The lumbar support is "meh" and the pillow and magnetic arm rest covers like to fall off an annoying amount.
Hoping to get some feedback. I have a gaming chair and wanting to replace it. What id like to know is, what are some recommendation to replace the chair with. This isn't for a home office, its for me to game on and watch Netflix in. So would like to get a good Chair for posture but also be able to snooze in it.
I have yet to outwear or break down a high quality office chair. I've broken two gaming chairs in four years, twice each. If covered by warranty, it takes 14 days without a chair while it's being sent back to factory. Never again. For me, metal back and metal seat parts bent and broke, and plastic (!!) castor mounts brittled and broke. As well as plastic decorative plates coming loose and breaking due to becoming brittle (but does not hinder functionality). These chairs are designed to break. How anyone dares take sleeping position in them is beyond me. Get a proper recliner. Now I'm going expensive office chair next with decent warranty, and I'll check with store if they have a part replacement system setup.
@@yazdazkafraz3419 Was the more expensive options, felt solid, and looked solid. Unfortunately had plastic parts in the castor inserts. Plastic in force supporting parts is never a good idea as it gets brittle over time. Chinese "quality" (I've had Chinese chargers that exploded when I plugged them in) - all these chairs are built in China. It's not that others may not be built not to last, but they come with a much better warranty. ElectroBoom had a HM chair metal pin fail on him, and those are pretty expensive and considered high quality built to last office chairs. Crappy chairs? You haven't wondered why all these look very similar?
@@gottagowork I meam they'll obviously have varyimg build qualities regardless of similarity of looks, the GT099 is a solid gaming chair and while it obviously soesn't beat Herman Miller, has been a reliable option so far
@@gottagowork The ergo chairs are chinese quality too. The beloved iPhone is that too. You get what you pay for and you know it. Should've done your research before making random purchases.
I spend a lot of money on a premium gaming chair only to discover I cannot stand that it pushes against my shoulders. I just cannot handle the bucket racing design. I need a flat back for my shoulders. Now I again have to spend a lot of money on a premium office style chair that has a flat back.
@@SirKolass most gaming chairs are really uncomfortable and less room to adjust. They are mostly made of cheap lever that cracks, worse warranty, less adjustment( expect in how far it leans back),Terrible back support and over priced. And the desgin,It’s just a cheap trend that works because people keep buying them because they think it looks cool and the market doesn’t have to adapt because of this. And they don’t look that bad but that shouldnt be the main reason to buy a chair. Search it up on youtube, “gaming chair vs office chair” and the first video will show u what u mean. Gaming chairs normally look better but there are office chairs that good too, there aright and if u have one then u don’t have to get a office chair but it in general it’s better to have a office chair. Also there aren’t really gaming chairs that don’t have a bucket design. And even if there is the listed problems above still warrants buying an good looking office chair.
Ive switched to ergonomic chair, Looks like gaming chair but the functionality is combination of office chair and gaming chair (can lean back and have lumbar support)
Vertagear PL6000 has been my chair since 2016 and its so comfortable that I can sleep in it. Its design also fully supports my back without the lumbar support pillow. I actually use that same pillow for my neck. BTW, many gaming chairs have 4D armrests. You just have to know where to look
I'm a digital artist I'm often slouch over to draw on my drawing tablet on my desk. What chair would you suggest for a digital artist that is trying to improve their posture while they draw?
you know the secretlab chair comes in different sizes right? you're sitting in the omega secretlab chair which is for people up to 5 ft 6 lol they have a titan series which are for bigger people
Exactly what I'm thinking while sitting in my Titan. The office chairs never gave me the support my shoulders and upper back needed. I've tried a lot of them
Yea, Im 6'2'' 280 and the Titan is by far the best chair I have sat in. I hunted for a good office chair that isnt just a lounger. The Titan's ability to be true up right and then lock all the way back is the best.
I bought an ergonomic office chair off Amazon but it was fairly cheap and the cushioning is quite bad for long gaming sessions. It's otherwise a good chair but I think you have to be willing to spend good money to get something for long usage.
Hello, I actually need help in choosing Herman Miller embody or steelcase gesture. These are the only two chairs available in my country . My back pain after longer period siting - spinal misalignment. Which one is better . Your input would be greatly appreciated. Checked your webpage on that but it never mentions about lumbar support on embody vs gesture . If you can make video on best lumbar support without price point . It would be good.
I just got this video as suggestion after buying a new ergonomic Mesh office chair after using a gaming chair for 6 months. I actually just came from throwing the gaming chair to the trash on my local community and can’t be happier with my new mesh chair. Best ergonomics I’ve felt in a long time and I now feel far more engaged into spending proper time in front of my pc while I work from home. I’ll definitely never buy a gaming chair again.
I have a Steelcase Leap V2, and while I like it, the support isn't great. I got it as a handme down from a family member, because screw the price tag of the Leap V2, it's ridiculous. The lumbar is TERRIBLE, bad upper back shoulder support. Otherwise though the chair is fine. Better than your $150 walmart or even Costco office chair. I have to say, I know people with Secretlab chairs, and they are super nice, but they aren't for everyone. There are some nice Ergo office chairs that you can get for cheaper, but will not have as much adjustability tbh. Depends on your needs, and frame and build. Everyone isn't exactly the same.
The carseats IMO bottom out quicker than a good office chair. But this is from 200-300ish price range experience for the gaming chairs. I got a stealcase V2 Leap as well and just removed the lumbar support and it's great. Already has support with the curved frame, way better than the gaming chair I had which bottomed out after 2 yrs
I've been sitting on a 200 dollar Ficmax gaming chair for 3 years and have no complaints. However I just had a wheel break out of the base, so decided to upgrade. Bought the Secretlab Titan EVO 2022 and it should be here Thursday. I recently started a job that has me working from home 2-3 days a week so I am looking forward to this upgrade. I just pray it was worth the 550 bucks. Overall though if the wheel didn't bust on my Ficmax and the armrests weren't torn up, I would've never even considered buying a new chair. This thing has been amazingly comfortable and surprisingly durable. I did have to replace the lift on it about a year ago, but I also have abused it pretty hard over the years. This video had some great points, and it solidified the fact that I'm super excited to get my Titan EVO!
i actually prefer gaming chairs over office chairs for confort, mainly because of my height. I am 187cm tall (6foot 2) and i sit behind a computer 6+ hours a day, sometimes even 10 or 12. but there are very few chairs available for someone like me that are specific to my height and not wayyyy too expensive, especially when you need a headrest like me to take some rest in between those long hours of work. most normal office chairs don't have nearly enough lumbar support for me because they are all to low (most of the lumbar supports are at about the top of my hips, nowhere close to where i actually need it) so that strap mechanism from gaming chairs allows me to take any hight I want. the only office chairs that are good for tall people like me are specialty stuff that is really expensive or not available near me, we had one good chair from IKEA but it was the same price as a gaming chair, non-moveble armrests, and lumbar support so shallow that we would have to stuff something behind my back to get any support. i will admit that racing style seat style is a little to narrow for my shoulders but i don't mind that too much. but i got my "gaming" chair for about 150euro/180usd and any good office chair for people like me would at least cost 2 times the price, probably 3 times. the only thing i had to do was move the headrest pillow up all the way to actually support my head (plus my chair got a leg rest so thats nice when you are watching a video or movie, especially when you put your chair flat to get a good stretch).
@Shem Shem: Would like to point out that there is no situation where you would need a "head rest" unless you are sitting wrong, leaning too far back, killing your lower back in the process. If you need a rest, go to your bed or couch lmao. For tall people, if you really care about your health and ergonomics, I would personally suggest checking out a saddle chair with a backrest.
Interesting video with a lot of good points IF we're talking about standard gaming chairs, which are usually trash, let's be honest here... The last model of Secret Lab gaming chairs fortunately don't have those drawbacks talked about here though, so you're pretty much safe in choosing this instead of a standard office chair. Also, standard office chairs typicaly don't have a head rest, which I personnaly find to be a very important option considering my neck pain..
Have to agree i got the latest 2022 Titan from Secret labs, it has two lumbar support knobs to adjust and the back pain i had on the previous chair has now gone. I do get the video though, there are a lot of cheap cgaming chairs that are bad for your back.
100% agree with you. I needed to buy a chair for WFH, and I did a tonne of research before buying my Secretlab Omega softweave, and had never owned a gaming chair before and Im not a gamer. I used the principle logic of: gamers sit in chairs for a lot more hours vs office chairs. The host misses the mark, where gaming chairs can give you upper back, and neck support with the memory foam cushion. Ive had my gaming chair for 7 months and love it to bits!
I disagree that I missed the mark on back and neck support. Especially when the Omega is being used as an example of a good option for those things. The Omega is one of the most uncomfortable chairs we have ever tested. It is horrible for back support. -RB
@@ashleychong1673Gamers sit for longer in gaming chairs than office workers do in office chairs? So an average gamer spends 8+ hours gaming per day? Not sure what kind of dumb research you did, but you clearly didn't cover the benefits of high-end office chairs and how most of them are rated for 24/7 use. Show me just one gaming chair that is rated that highly.
@@StardustLegacyFighter Wow... bit of anger there? Everything ok on the home front? Some of us don't have the budget to pay a lot of money for a Herman Miller or similar. All i know is my gaming chair gives me great back and shoulder support - couldn't be happier.
I feel out of place with my wooden kitchen chair and cushions. Isn't back pain more of a matter of posture anyways? I never had any back problems, even after prolonged sessions :/.
Any recommendations for chairs? I wanna get a office chair but am considering a gaming one because I want my head and upper back to be supported. Any office chair with a headrest has been super expensive.
@Bobby Jones: Your body is supporting your head, if you are sitting properly. There is no reason whatsoever to have a "headrest"... just buy a pillow and go to your bed/couch if you need to rest lmao.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. I disagree, a headrest is nice when you are leaning back and just chilling. It's the only complaint I have with my Mirra 2. If it had a headrest it would be a perfect chair imo.
@@RE4PER : Well, we have recliners and couches that are designed for leaning and chilling... or a bed even. Doing that in a computer chair strains your lower back and is not good for your posture in the long run.
You forgot to mention that the Gaming chair is really hot in the back. Sweating in the back is a big NO for many people. Especially people that are living in a hot climate or people who don't have air-conditioning.
@@TiagoMarques00 and then you are lucky. you both are one of the many people who don't sweat on a leather chair. I am not fat, and I sweat a lot. I also do exercise 3x a week. Even after I eat my meal, I always sweat a lot, especially when eating spicy food. Just remember, if a person who is not fat and always sweat especially when going to gym/exercise, it is a sign of having a healthy body. If you don't sweat all the time, then maybe, there is a problem. :D Peace!
@@TiagoMarques00 it's not because of the gaming chair. It's because of your body. It can adapt to an unbreathable and hot situation. Unlike many people, including me, gaming chair is hot and uncomfortable. All people are not made equal.
@@TiagoMarques00 the truth is, majority of people are just too hype with gaming chairs because it's a trend and widely marketed but never think of the consequences. Because they love playing games, they are being manipulated to buy gaming chair. In the end, many have regreted buying gaming chair because it's hot and sweaty in the back. And that's what all of my friends have exeprienced. Same goes for me. Even if it's not a leather gaming chair, if the back is not mesh type, I still sweat in the back. If a person is not OCD with cleaniness, good luck with gaming chair, cleaning will be very hard especially on non-leather gaming chairs.
@@TiagoMarques00 LOL! XD I will say it again, everybody is different. Your opinion will be yours only as you have experienced it by yourself. As for me, the gaming chair is really bad for me. Hot and not comfortable. And many of my friends have ditched and regretted buying a gaming chair. Try to research more comparisons about gaming chairs vs ergonomic chairs. You will find that many will always go for an ergonomic chair, not on a gaming chair.
I respect your opinion, however i think gaming chair has a better value for money than an office chair, maybe it's just in my place however i found gaming chair with more features ( i have been looking for a cheap office chair with rich armrest adjustment and a headrest with no luck) as cheaper than office chair with the similar features, therefore i think a good office chair is very comfortable however significantly more expensive vs features compared with gaming chair, I lived in Medan, Indonesia, do you guys feel the same in your countries?
Just save up and buy a ergonomic chair. Mesh is the future and the gaming chair community has literally no innovation to realise they need to shift. Most of them are just rebranded from the same suppliers (no wonder they're cheaper). Get yourself a good investment and your back and posture will thank you for it
For US where there's a lot of different office chair to choose from. This does not applicable to my country as most office chair is just static without recline or whatever ergonomic adjustment. At least I can lay back and get proper nap with my neck supported with gaming chair.
I appreciate the lengths this video went to to be really really nice in saying to thousands of people that they wasted their money on an over-priced, over-designed piece of shit gaming chair.
Yeah, that is sadly what this guy is suggesting. But I have to say you can absolutely not generalize like that. I bought a 'gaming' chair 5 years ago, for 350 Euros. It is just black, no bling, stitching or anything extraordinary. And it has ALL the features he mentions when talking about standard office chairs. Absolutely anything is adjustable on it and it is by far the best chair I ever worked on. We had 800 Euros chairs in our office and they sucked so hard, I still dont know where that price came from. So, this video gets a thumb down from me because he really seems to make it want to sound like gaming chairs are just marketing. They definitely are not. My chair, btw, is the Maxnomic Commander S II - now its at 400 Euros. Absolute recommendation from me.
I literally went to try chairs yesterday and gaming chair won, and it was all based on comfort and I wasn't even looking for a gaming chair it was just there. I was honestly looking for a mesh ergonomic office chair. But the tilt and the head support alone on the gaming chair was incomparable with the office chair.
Yeah I've never tried an office chair and maybe it's truly the way to go for actual support but I don't see how those thin back supports are going to feel as comfortable as the thick but soft back sides of a gaming chair.
Yes, the gaming chairs here also look way more comfortable.. I want to have neck support so I will probably buy a gaming chair too for my home office... can’t stand my back cracking every time I move lol 😭
@@MalphasMikaelson The thin backs are often mesh which flexes/moulds to each persons back and in my experience are generally more comfortable than padded chairs. I think of it like lying in a hammock vs lying on cushions on top of a hard surface. The other benefit for me is that mesh/fabric chairs don't make me sweaty as hell in the summer weather like the nasty faux leather of gaming chairs, maybe not an issue if you have aircon but it's still horrible to sit on faux leather and have any exposed skin stick to it 😬
But... will an office chair give me additional +69 FPS in cyberpunk!?
LOL! We haven't tested to find out, great question though. -GK
Tryna get to 70 FPS in cyberpunk?😂
LMAO
if you simply add RGB-LED, yes
Lol
I'm so glad I graduated from the Gaming chair style. Buying an ergonomic office chair has been the absolute best move for the home setup in years, hands down. My posture is better, my shoulders feel lighter, I feel more productive, and I don't have to be ashamed of sitting in a neon carseat whenever there's a video call.
Lol 😂 -GK
BUT CAN YOU DO THIS?!
Whats the name of ur chair?
Why would you be ashamed? I’d be proud lol
@@andypham6335 it looks kinda childish and weird for people who aren't into gaming and stuff.
"You're not going to be laying down or reclining that much in an office chair." Bro.... You don't know my work habits.
I make more sales that way!
IT work?
That's certainly the levels of recline I use on the fancy herman miller chairs at work, being able to lounge but still have full back support has spoiled me for any other chairs.
There's also the bonus of seeing other people plop themselves down into one I've adjusted expecting a standard sitting position but actually fly back into a full lounging posture, the shock when they continue to "fall" backwards is always funny
I think most people dont do that
Ergonomics is an interesting thing because depending on the size of the person the needs are very different. For example, so many people say "avoid gaming chairs" and to get an ergonomic office chair so I did. I have been using an ErgoChair from Autonomous for years and while its a good chair. I recently decided to ignore all comments about anti-gaming chairs because of one thing, I'm rather tall. I am between 6'4" - 6'5" and there is no office chair that I could find designed to fit me. On the other hand, the Secret Labs Titan XL is made for people of taller stature so I decided to give it a shot. I havent had it long enough to review it but so far I do have to say that I like the fact that my head is actually supported by the headrest unlike every office chair I have ever sat in.
As office chair i can recommend the RH Mereo 220 Neo with the long gas spring (highly configurable); I'm 190cm.
@@Clumaex thank you for the suggestion! I looked it up and it seems like this chair is not available for people in the United States or at least I haven't found a vendor that has it available in United States. I'm about 194cm and as a quick update the Titan XL is not really tall enough lol its better than others but still.
I'm just about to buy a gaming chair. But why is it called a gaming chair, I don't know. I like to have it because I think I can sit, rest and even sleep comfortably I believe. Hopefully it's a good choice.
@@sootuckchoong7077 I would really suggest looking into getting a refurbished ergonomic chair for the same or similar price. Your back will thank you. This is coming from someone who has owned a DxRacer for 4-5 years. I had to heavily modify this chair before I could make it somewhat comfortable. Trust me, I would go back to get an ergonomic chair 10 out of 10 times if I could.
@@michael_tunnell That's kind of wild, the Secretlabs Titan XL 2022 is supposed to be tall enough for people up to 6'7". I'm only around 6'1" so I got the Titan XL 2022 and it's working really well for me. The headrest is a big thing for me too, so many ergo office chair headrests also didn't work for me. The new lumbar support I've found comparable to how comfortable the lumbar support on my old used Aeron was until it broke (unfortunately no warranty on a used chair for HM). Haven't had it long enough for myself to speak on the durability of the chair -- I'm a big dude and I work from home so it's hard to find chairs that don't just fall apart on me because of my size + length of daily use. We'll see on that front. I will say that ergo office chairs 100% tend to be built better than 99% of gaming chairs out there though. Hopefully Secretlabs is different for me because I really like the way this thing looks in my space too lol.
FINALLY, someone actually giving some PROs and CONs.
he's litterally gave 1 pro for gaming chairs
@@jyxiaa Because that's all they have
I mean gamers nexus tested it and came to the conclusion that all gaming chairs are shit. Except for the herman miller x logitech one which costs more than the RTX3090.
@@NyangisKhan i don't like the complitist shit and all the theory things, but i don't understand why in some weeks, gaming chairs went from best to worst
@@jyxiaa Because one day suddenly someone got up from bed and tested it. Also I think a guy who actually designs chairs for racing cars commented that it's a stupid trend or something. I remember seeing it on reddit almost an year ago.
The problem I have with office chairs is finding one with high enough back support. I'm 6'8 and they are usually pretty small for me
I'm 6'8 and heavy, most chairs do not have high backs, and also a lot of them do not support more than 300 lbs. Thinking about a secret labs titan xl for 35" backrest (good for 6 feet 10 inches) and 395 lb capacity
@@VoltKraken5555 I'll look into that bro, good call
Dude, you need a slab. Not a chair.
@@Jonics18 A bit harsh, they put dead ppl on slabs.
Get a large Herman Miller. Type C.
I really despise what the term "gaming" has become associated with. It used to be that when you bought a gaming product, you bought something actually designed to be useful for gaming. Gaming mice for example typically have higher DPI or more buttons. Gaming displays have high refresh rates and things like onscreen crosshairs. But then the decline started with gaming headsets, which featured pretty colors; gaming PCs, which featured pretty colors; and of course gaming chairs, which featured pretty colors AND generally worse comfort features.
Gaming mice have evolved back from being edgy and geometric to becoming as ergonomic and efficient as possible; maybe because of the recent rise of FPS games and the decline of the MOBA genre. Anything else with the "gaming" tag these days is a joke.
i mean thats how it works with any term look at what corporations like apple have done to "pro" for example thats just the way it goes u cant escape it or change it
" gaming PCs, which featured pretty colors"
I disagree with this point
gaming in computing is the main reason why graphic cards improved to what they are today so gaming PC is indeed a right term
indeed a PC with not that many numbers cores, mid num of ram, and heavy focus is a gaming PC
an ML Eng one will focus more on RAM
a Streaming one will focus more on more ram and more importantly more CPU cores
a dev one will focus more dependable on what you are developing for example more CPU cores (Game/mobile Dev)
a cyber sec one also depends on where you are in the field might focus more on CPU,Ram and doesn't really care much if at all for the graphic card (as if cracking is needed a dedicated cracking machine will be built or now we rely more in the cloud)
so yeah a Gaming PC fit perfectly
gaming headsets usually have higher bass for hearing footsteps and gunshots, gaming pc's usually are pc's designed to run games at its best potential, gaming chairs is still quite confusing for me tho.
Gaming PCs are still kind of a broad term, considering how modular they are
Tbh buying a chair is a lottery, since most of the choice is online and you can't try them on, and even if you could, a 3 min sit down is not the same as sitting there for more.
I mean some chairs like the Herman Miller have rave reviews
Obyvvatel This is so true! I've been visiting malls for days, trying at least 10 office and gaming chars, and they all kinda seem comfortable, but what happens after 20+ hours siting on some specific model? You can't test that until you buy it... It's frustrating and time consuming
@@Coolsomeone234 I heard only praise for that chair... But it's so pricey
I would like to point out that gaming chairs have different sizes. If you've bought one and it's too tight for you, then you picked the wrong size option.
Golden tip and 69 likes, what more could anyone really want?
The racing style gaming chair is horrible for posture, regardless of the size. The bolstering on the backrest literally forces the user to roll their shoulders forward, which is never a good thing. These chairs are made primarily for aesthetics.
@@Nigel__ that only happens if you bought a chair that is too small for you. I have a secretlab titan 2020 and 2022 xl and my shoulders (i'm a size 44) are straight against the backrests.
@@Nigel__ for me its better i i injured my back with office chair its depends on the perwson who is gonna use it
@@Nigel__ Only if you don't have the correct size
I’m a gaming chair guy. I bought expensive office chairs and the seats always rip. I bought a cheap gaming chair and it last for three years until I upgraded to a better game chair.
If only standard office chairs leaned back as much as the gaming chairs, they'd be perfect. I get in the office environment it's not practical, but for the home office environment for people like myself that spends most of their time there, it is.
Very true! -GK
Why not just lay down on your bed?
@@pjitiwong Sometimes u're on the computer and want to take a nap but at the same time u don't want to walk to the bed either because u are too lazy or because if go to bed you lose your will to sleep. At least that's how I feel
@@j1mp958 roll to ur bed and roll pver🤯
@@MetallicDZN But if I do that I might sleep while rolling and will sleep on the floor. Not good for the back.
I tend to go with the executive office chairs and wait for a good sale to make up for the higher cost. They tend to be made comfortable enough to sit in them for multiple hours at a time, with lots of padding. The high backs make them easy to lean back on, too.
Used a (too small, too unadjustable) gaming chair for working-from-home (and continuing with gaming in evenings), paired with a too-low unadjustable "gaming" desk, and it took only about 4 months to develop actual sciatica. Now working in any position is painful, and fixing it (exercise, physiotherapist visits) takes extremely long time.
Picking the "gaming" options, instead of a decent office setup with adjustable desk, basically cost me at least a year of my health (if recovery goes smoothly...)
Pick a good right size chair next time. Don't blame of type for tour own fault.
@@Theydas some people have bad backs, and require proper padding most gaming chairs don't have. And sitting in a chair for 1 minute is barely a guage of how comfortable a chair will be after sitting for hours. So get off your high horse.
@@Theydas its not exactly easy to tell what a good size would be especially considering that most gaming chairs you dont see in stores and have to be ordered online.
I suffered sciatica 1 month ago After terrible dx Racer weekend. Depressed.
Hi Elias. I experienced the same thing from the secret Lab Omega. I caution everyone to take care how they are sitting
"And you don't care so much about having 4-way adjustable arms and fancy lumbar support"
*Frowns while sitting in his fancy secretlab gaming chair with 4-way adjustable arms and fancy lumbar support*
Yep, they were smart to make their new chair more like an office chair. Definitely one of the best racing chairs available because of those changes. -RB
Can't belive I'm actually commenting on something.... Anyhow, I do care more about posture and health and gaming on my old Walmart office chair was killing my back. And sometimes after work come home and game and fall asleep in it. Yeah that was painful. Now I spent a bit shopping for a chair and I can't bring myself to spend hundreds on a chair like this. Now those prices he stated about all of them being under 400 is true. What he failed to mention was him comaoirimg a racer that you can get anywhere from 80 to 110 dollor, comparing that to an office chair costing 300 plus dollor. That's a big difference for someone like me who wouldn't want to spend that much. Now in the end I did buy a racing style chair, not the gt racer or whatever it's called. And I spent a little over 200 and that, for me, is insane lol. But I had to. But I went with the racing style chair cause it was the only one in my price range that offered the lumbar support, the custom leather, the adjustable arm rests, tilt, rocking and all that. In that same price range I found nothing office chair style that offered all of that and seemed of good quality. So I'm calling bullshit on the whole price to features thing where office chairs are better and offer more in way of function. Now I can't speak on durability as far as the chair I purchased goes, but it Seems sturdy and it's very comfortable. I wanted an office style chair, these racing chairs are just cliche and idk, everyone has one and I don't like being part of a mass group lol (and I actually do mostly Sim racing and still wanted an office chair) . But for the money it was the better option from what I found. Keep in mind I'm also including quality of build in this too. So yeah I found office chairs that can do what my racer does but they were cheap and just not seemingly well made. And reviews, their about useless cause everyone either says they're garbage or amazing. Idk. But this video seemed a bit misleading. Price points were exaggerated when comparing 2 chairs to each other. That secret lab, THAT chair is expensive and that was a fair comparison. But comparing the gt racer, those chairs are as base and cheap as they come. And compare that to a 350 dollor office chair? Get out of here. That's not even the same leuge acting like the racer has less features and made without function. No shit, cause it's a cheap chair. Lol.
Which gaming chair do you have? -RB
There are gaming chairs that offer 4-way adjustable arm rests. I do agree that the flimsy strapped lumbar support is terrible, there are other options that provide an incredible lumbar support. I personally bought the AndaSeat Kaiser 2. Even though I bought an oversized chair, it provides so much comfort and support in all aspects which I use for gaming and my home office career. Having a headrest on your chair is comfort on another level!
I do with there was a mix of office chair and gaming chair. But until then, my AndaSeat is killing it!
A friend of mine just dumped a one-year-old Secret Lab for a five-year-old Herman Miller Aeron and loves it. Pretty sure that's what I'll get now. But I have no problem if someone wants a highly-decorated gaming chair because they think it looks cool. We're all different.
Sounds like they made a good choice for their back :) -GK
Bro you’re comparing a $350-$500 gaming chair to a $1500 office chair. Of course the office chair is gonna be better.
Ah, yes. A used Chair. Love the smell?? Alone the thought of how many hours of farts might be in the foam of the seating, sweat absorbed in the fabrics makes me shiver and puke. Never ever would i buy a used char. Almost as gross as buying a used toothbrush.
@@anashiedler6926 clearly you don’t know what an Aeron chair is lol.
@@anashiedler6926 The Aeron's a mesh seat. Not a foam one.
the video everyone anticipated but no one dared to ask! thx btod.
ps: just saw the vera chair with the optional headrest. it'd be nice if you did a review of wether it's worth it or not and the adjustments it offers
Thanks for watching! I wouldn’t recommend the headrest on the Vera unless you’ve sat in the chair and know it’s a good fit. This is because it is fixed height and there isn’t any adjustment to it at all -GK
Coming from a guy who is 180cm, 80kg, and has minor scoliosis, the SecretLab Titan XL is really really good. It's big, doesn't constrict movement, has fantastic posture, adjustable lumbar support, adjustable overall chair tilt, very stable, very rigid, and durable.
If you want to buy a quality chair that costs around USD 400-500, get a quality gaming chair like SecretLab. They are definitely no Herman Millers, but the quality and durability are almost always better than an office chair at the same price range.
If you have a lot of money to burn, get a top end office chair, no gaming chair thus far can compete with top of the line office chairs like Herman Miller.
this, 100%. So many of the replies that are contesting secret lab's chairs cite like HM aeron remastered's and other $1000+ price point chairs that are not worth it. I'm 193cm 90kg and titan XL fits me fantastically, and after looking for an office chair in the same price point when I was shopping for a new seat, I could find nothing that came close to my size even heightwise.
2:36 me tryna watch a film from my phone
Relatable 😂
Super helpful video thank u!!
What gets me interested into a gaming chair is the wide back tilt I can't get from an ergonomic chair I use right now. Plus the mesh gets all the crumbs and cat hair stuck.
@@CaptainLooks not true at all, maybe go watch videos from people who are actually pros in that specific medical field and you will hear differently.
@@TinkerTactical he is right tho ,u have to try a good ergonomic against a gaming chair and trust me it is night and day ,I tried the Herman miller aeron and it is the better chair then any gaming chair I have tried and I have tried them a lot ,to the point I sold my gaming chair to get a used aeron chair ,I would recommend you to try it out ,u will never buy any gaming chair anymore .
@@Omar-kl3xp I have had an Aeron for 10 years and recently got a Secret Lab Titan Evo and it is a game changer. Aeron is great for coding and programming but if I want to come home and chill then I am sitting in the secret lab, besides the lumbar support in the secret lab is much more adjustable and fits me better and I don't have to drop $1800 on an Embody.
@@CaptainLooks you may want to check out the Secret Lab Titan Evo before you lump all gaming chairs into the same category. I have had an Aeron for 10 years so I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about.
@@TinkerTactical Btw I paid $280 for a used aeron , it is fully spec ,I was lucky to get it from a office that was closing down ,for the same price I cannot find a better chair out there ,not only these aeron are built to last ,as One my family member has got a aeron since 1997 which it is well over 20 years and it still working probably,but they also offer you a 12 years warranty,something that no gaming chair offer you ,gaming chair don’t last as much as the Aaron chair .
This is the most helpful video explaining gaming chairs and office chairs that i have ever need!!
When I was younger I messed up my back, so I'm very picky about my posture. I had a gaming chair for two years, I noticed I slouched in the chair which messed up my back. I recently got a steelcase series 1 chair and my seated posture feels great, and the cushion and mesh back is much more comfortable.
I have a gaming chair, and leaning the back .. back, isn't comfortable at all, you end up with the head much lower down that intended. I just lock the back and tilt the seat instead. While I've had my chair for almost 3 years and it still has no noticeable wear and tear, I am swapping it for an office chair for better ergonomics.
I bought an Embody this year, and thus far, I have no regrets. I graduated from exclusively buying Secret Labs chairs, and while they're great, they pale in-comparison to the Herman Miller lineup.
Nice! Thanks for sharing -GK
they should be, the difference in price is huge
Secret chair fking suck, my 10 year old office chair does a better job rather than giving me back pain
They are also $1000+ more than a secret labs chair in Canada. So it should be better.
thats like saying your ferari is better than your civic
I actually just moved from a mid tier office chair to a secretlab titan evo 2022, and honestly I think the adjustable lumbar feels better, its not placebo because I am sitting in it all day and I do feel an improvement.
Good to hear coz i also just bought one 😊
@@ad3ly just make sure you adjust the lumbar properly, it took me a week to figure it out oerfectly
I just went down to SL showroom yesterday and I gotta admit the adjustable lumbar definitely won me over. Initially I also thought SL was overhyped and decided to go down and look/feel for myself.
Do you think getting the Secretlab was worth the price compared to some other off brand/cheaper style gaming chairs, because I was just looking at getting one but I'm not sure if its worth spending this much more for the difference it makes between the chairs
@@saltpug3996 I guess it depends on how willing you are to keep the chair clean. The weather in singapore is not fit for the leather chair. The fabric one needs a lot more effort to take care of when compared to the leather chair. For myself I decided to give up on SL and went for the mesh gaming chair at Hinomi instead.
being able to recline down tho is still a very important pro for the gaming chairs if you have them at home.
One thing to make sure to check is the reviews for a product. Specifically the negative ones. They can be your first sign that a chair is actually really bad and you should be wary if there aren't many reviews in the first place (or simply all positive ones since 5 star reviews are practically worthless these days). Also, be wary of shady business practices. If you see someone mention those sorts of horror stories with the company, it's probably a good idea to stay away.
Speaking of horror stories, my last chair was actually an office chair from Vinsetto that seemed pretty good at first, but wound up being utter shit. One of the armrests wouldn't tighten properly. The cushioning was meh at best. The chair started randomly sinking after a few months. Eventually, it completely crapped out and wouldn't raise up at all. It even left these obnoxious black plastic shavings on my floor. And when I left a review? The shitty company went "nah, not our product" and deleted it. Why the hell does Amazon even allow that?! Incidentally, when I took a picture of it in the trash to prove that it was in fact their terrible product, the review still didn't stay around. Stay away from this company and their products. Stay FAR away.
omg, I was literally going to purchase the Vinsetton gaming chair on Amazon just now. Luckily I searched on youtube for information about office chairs vs gaming chairs and found your comment. they only have two 5-stars reviews on Amazon which was super suspicious
@@dingzhong9339 I'm glad I was able to help!
I appreciate your mention of reviews. Overseas review factories are actually a thing now, and they'll go as far as purchasing products to appear as a verified purchaser, then the review contractors return the items to the manufacturer for reimbursement. Their loss for a flipping transaction is just another marketing expense. Sometimes they're easy to spot - brief, generic accolades that could be for any product with little to no detail, and often in absolute crap English. Then, some genuine reviewers who've taken the time to conscientiously craft a detailed 5 star review have been plagiarized. Their review is copied and reposted under a new name for a competing product. If you look closely at the features detailed by the original author's review, then look at the features of the product supposedly being reviewed, these features may not even match. The reviewer might actually say how much they appreciate that their new tool doesn't use an allen wrench that they'll have to carry and keep track of, but the picture of the tool shows an allen wrench and says right in the product description that the allen wrench is included! And the more a bona fide review is marked "Helpful" by other shoppers, the more likely it is to be plagiarized, either word for word or with rearrangement. As I became aware of this, I paid closer attention to those negative 1 & 2 star reviews, except I next discovered that wholesale bashing of competing products is another part of the service offered by the review factories. They may even go on to say they returned a product, and of course they're thrilled with a replacement sold by the manufacturer who has contracted them for fake reviews. Name any box store or online vendor that sells Chinese products where 'Reviews' are part of the shopping experience, and you'll need the best of your Spidey Senses to discern authenticity. I'm leaning back toward local retail. Whether it's a chair I can actually sit in and explore, or a pair of gloves I can pull on, my record of satisfaction is substantially better with hands on shopping.
I've thought of getting the gaming chair later. I don't just depend on reviews. I think the gaming chair will be my best choice, just through the looks of it. I've seen those office chairs thrown in rubbish dumps with the seats broken off. Hopefully I can enjoy the gaming chair later.
I buy stuff that has atleast 3.5 stars and a good 30k+ reviews because once i bought this terrible pillow with 5 stars but almost everybody rated it around 2 stars and i bought a scam
I have a fairly expensive office chair for my at home setup. And then I sat in my husband's expensive gamer chair and it was so much more comfortable. My back pain went away once I started using my husband's gaming chair.
And my work had a professional ergonomic company come in to setup my office setup with my office chair and it still did not help.
rare
@@argotheinformant it's not Rare, it's about the chair quality and design setup, I tried 4 gaming chairs and i found the ASUS ROG gaming chair is the most comfortable chair from all of them.
Yeah, I've had the same experience. Those expensive office chairs just aren't comfortable compared to a good gaming chair. One thing I hate about them is the back leans back independent of the seat and it's especially bad if the back or seat is mesh. Mesh is a really stupid idea!
I call BSA. Ur a paid advertiser or something
Thank you for these information 😊
Very helpful😇
My gaming chair have this tilt thing I guess some have that. I hoped for great sitting experience, I didn't care about looks. I thought it would be much better to sit for long time, and it's definitely comfortable but I may try office chair one day and see if it's better.
i bought this gaming chair so i can match with my soulmate
You’re going to look so good together! -GK
As someone short in statue, I gotta say that I have yet to find an office chair, in the price range of a decent gaming chair, that would offer lumbar support which I'd be able to adjust... to actually support my back in the lumbar area and not way too high up.
What is the price range you are considering? -RB
@@btodtv Not all gaming chairs are bad , SecretLabs are a mixed between a gaming chair and office chair and are of a high standard , that can't be said , for all gaming chair brands
I’ve got a Humanscale Freedom and a Sparco chair. There are so many gaming chairs trying to look like race car seats. Sparco make race car seats and sell a pedestal that bolts to them so they can be used as a chair. There’s a big difference between something that looks like a car seat and an actual car seat.
Very professional and informative.
Nice 👍
I dunno man....my Secretlab Titan 2020 comes with a 5 yr warranty, has a built in lumbar support that isn't just some back pillow, has a support weight limit of 290 lbs, and gives me the freedom to move around in the chair unlike most racing style chairs.
I bought a herman miller mirra 2 chair after all the ergonomic health hype I've read about. It just wasn't comfy no matter what I tried. Decided to buy a secret lab titan for 1/3rd the price and its way more comfortable.
I was having this same thought whenever he brought up features a similarly priced office chair would have over a gaming chair. I'm like 80% sure that the 2020 Titan has 4D armrests, long total mechanical warranty, adjustable lumbar, forward tilt, etc. I'm personally looking at the 2022 model right now, but the old one had almost all the same features except the up and down adjustment on lumber.
@@Fyrium The 2022s are beautiful chairs!
@@Fyrium I could see the up and down feature of the lumbar being a nice upgrade. I personally always have a lumbar pillow not matter what chair I use. The secret lab chairs are definitely not some run of the mill gaming chair. The seat cushion is a firm foam which breaks in over time/ you get more accustomed to it. This foam is quality. Its not some cushy foam that feels good initially but bottoms out over time. My 2020 arms go left, right, up, down, forward, backward, and also pivot in or out.
@@zooyorkk Herman Miller is overrated. Fine for office/work setting but not fine for relaxed setting (gaming, watching movies). IMO they're really not meant for recreational home use, there are better options. Works fine for me at work, would never want to use it for gaming.
Can someone recommend the best all rounder office chair with adjustable lumbar support, mesh seat & headrest for around 150-300 British pounds. Thanks in advance!
The hjh office Captiva is good and quite cheap. But i dont really know if its available in the UK.
I just got the anda seat T-pro 2 it hasn’t arrived yet but from what I’ve heard, it is quite similar to the secret lab
A SIGNIFICANT flaw I notice with most modern office chairs is that the upper-back of the chair leans away from the user too far, so the user has to recline in order to be sitting against the full back of the chair (even if the back is fully tilted forward), but if the user is trying to sit upright, the upper-back of the chair is too far away from the user's back, meaning that their upper body, particularly the shoulders, are unsupported.
In addition, with any chair using this design that has a headrest, the headrest is too far from the head, due to being mounted on the tilted part of the chair. When it comes to lumbar-support, the adjustable lumbar support mechanism is sometimes mounted on plastic, which bends away from the user when pressure is applied by sitting in it.
With all this in mind, I cannot imagine that this can be healthy long-term.
I have not used gaming chairs, but based on the examples in this video that they at least try to account for head and shoulder support by making the chair large enough for that. Also, they seem to rely on dense (but not solid) material instead of mesh and plastic, which probably reduces pliability and provides more support.
This video is an absoulte MVP. My gaming chair just broke on me yesterday and I was looking for a new chair to buy and immediately considered another gaming chair of course. But then I asked my brother and he asked me if I would consider maybe buying an office chair like he has. I then thaught: Well what exactly are all the differences that those two types have. The race car type sticking out of course but I wanted to know all of the differences. After your video I asked him if I could test his a bit to see if it works out too for me. It did and it has all those things I would never have checked for if your video didn't tell me and now I think i will get an office chair thanks for your help.
Thank you, glad it helped! -GK
Gaming chairs are evolving though, we now have the Herman miller embody logitech gaming chair, and also Mavix has a lineup of high end ergonomic gaming chairs that are very different from the typical racing style gaming chairs.
Not much evolution there if I am being honest. Herman Miller just changed the color on their chairs and called them "gaming" to take advantage of that market. The Mavix chair is just the X-Chair rebranded into a "gaming" version. The X-chair did terrible in our testing for our best office chairs of 2021 list. It has one of the worst overall scores we have ever given to an office chair. For $900, I was thoroughly unimpressed with X-chair/Mavix. -RB
Could we know what are those chair you're comparing? thanks
If i might add, the reasons i chose office chair over gaming chair; a) this bucket seat type limits your shoulder movement and tends to push your shoulder forward, b) gaming chair tends to have solid backrest compared to meshes in office chair, and c) there are no support in gaming chair's backrest, meaning, if you try to straighten up your upper body, the backrest not going to add support "pushing" you up, compared to office chair, they usually support you at a slightest will you want to lean forward.
Only if you've chosen the wrong size chair. The right size titan 2022 has your shoulders flush with the seat and not pushed forward.
Really good vid but I would like to point that in MOST gaming chair you can remove the back attachments which makes it quite more comfortable,well at least for me that's why I would prefer a gaming chair over an office 1
That can help some. When you remove the back pad there is almost zero lumbar support on most gaming chairs and that can be even worse if you need support -GK
You need the lumbar supportu
@Artifact Ward no
What I like most about the gaming/racing chairs is they make u feel like you are sat In them. But I bought a leap v2 & i hated it because it felt like it was kicking me out of it. Do you know of any office chair/s that keeps you in it like a racing/gaming chair does?
had same problem with leap v2 ;d
aeron chair was doing that to me
@@drblitz3092 and ofc Im experiencing same situation with aeron now so I'm looking for something else :D
@@drblitz3092 Aeron chair has a bucket seat design, how the fuck would it kick you out?
@@StardustLegacyFighter the lumbar support just feels like it’s pushing into my back too much,
Could you please tell me which is better the fabric Leap V2 or the leather one? Does the leather one get hot or slippery?
Thanks! this really helped
I am Student and spend most of the time sitting.
The previous chair that I used lacked headrest so caused a problem.
So pls suggest me a chair that's comfortable not fancy with headrest.
Noble chairs are good, I have one. Not cheap though.
I think something a lot of people overlook also is that a car seat is supposed to support you as you're driving and accelerating, thus giving you a lot more contact with the cushion vs slouching forward while using the computer. They're completely different applications with different sets of ergonomic requirements. One of the reasons I want something like an Aeron so badly is the forward tilt support, it really follows and supports you even if you're not actively leaning into it, and to me that's invaluable - actual game changer in my view on chairs and ergonomics after trying some Herman Millers in store.
What do you mean "forward tilt support" i have an AKRacing Onyx Deluxe Leather Black and I have the opportunity to send it back by the end of the month, it would be a major task to box it back up but it CAN be done, if and only if this "Forward Tilt Support" is a game changer. Are you saying that it would give me a more upright and forward leaning i might need to do gaming on my computer? I like my chair, it's VERY BIG and comfy and is awesome looking albeit all black but the leather front stitching is next level. I guess it would be nice to have some addition levers and mechanisms,,, it has adjustable armrests and and a couple of chair adjustments but as you know, that's where gaming chair adjustments stop and start...not a ton. thanks so much in advance!!!!
@@harpoon_bakery162 Have a look at the fully kitted-out Aeron and Mirra 2, they have an additional option to have the seat follow you forward by a few degrees with the seat and backrest and it's a game changer for me as someone who sits upright a lot and has shorter than average legs (so, not getting optimal foot-to-floor contact on many chairs).
@@JennyDarukat Ok, so I checked out my AKRacing Onyx Deluxe Leather as far as tilt-forward, it does tilt forward certainly enough as it goes completely forward but I know that not exactly what you are talking about. This additional option that has the few degrees of "follow you forward" sounds as cool as an arctic wind. I do have long legs however 6'3" athletic frame, However, I'm still intrigued by these models you speak of. Also, I just stumbled upon a chair called Noble Chairs EPIC , so I'm interested to know if you've heard of that? I still have about a week or two to un-assmeble my chair, box it up (won't be easy) and send it back to Best Buy per their policy (for a full refund and full shipping back to them (although I could run it over to them and save them shipping. So now that Noble Chairs entered into the mix in addition to the SecretLabs Titan Comfort Weave / PU Leather / Napa Leather options. WOW, now even more options into the mix. I really appreciate you bringing these gems into the mix. I just spent 749.00 US dollars on the AKRacing Onxy Deluxe Leather Black and am not even sure if it has COLD- PRESSED Foam, it might not (Noble Chairls made it sound like a game changer and that these days, you MUST have the COLD-PRESSED Foam so that it holds up over time and will not deform and cause problems over time. SO there's that too. Gosh, this is overwhelming. ANd I noticed that Noble Chairs has a white these with MANY different chairs and I'm going with a Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Snow White Build and my main monitor is a 34" Alienware Ultra-Wide Curved , So I have a few items that are white, but without haveing white laminate wood flooring installed yet, I might hold off on the fully white theme because it gets expensive to get everything to white including desk and gaming chair. Thanks so much.
I dont know if this is viable to you but the 2020 Secret Labs chairs do have forward tilt support. You can lock it in a leaning forward position for people who prefer that style to work, this is one of the reasons I recently bought one of those.
@@michael_tunnell Is it a forward lock or a forward tilt follow? I think a lock wouldn't do very well for me since I vary how I sit a lot - it's the following combined with the way the mesh accommodates the different parts of your back on the Aeron that really makes it so great imo, especially on a tighter tension setting. It's a little like an orthopedic brace without the harshness, if that makes any sense.
Was forced to buy a gc because the oc where I live are either too cheap or too expensive and the warranty is the same, the market here has organically decided that gc are the go to for price to performance. I did manage to find a gc with single colour and non outlandish looks.
I got the Alfordson. It was really bad and fell apart. I then graduated to the Secret Lab chair which has a knob to adjust lumbar height and another for curve. Not sure how or where the Lumber should be. I am terrified of a mesh office chairs because I am heavy. And my skin deals better with synthetic leathers. Do you have any ergonomic videos specifically on the best practices for supporting the lumbar?
I owned a gaming style chair for a few years.
It didn't take long for the cushion to bottom out after long use, which would cause a lot of discomfort after a couple hrs... like sitting on a hard floor.
I switched to a second hand Aeron, which is pricy but I've had no issues with discomfort, plus the chair is known to last for ages, so the price is less of an issue.
When you did your warranty claim for the Gaming Chair, did they send you a new chair or just the parts to fix it yourself?
I'm gonna buy a gaming chair, and I'm gonna put an extra cushion over it, not just to make the comfort last longer but also to avoid my cats from scratching it! 🐱
@@sootuckchoong7077 I hope that's a joke.
If you do that, you're literally wasting your money.
Gaming chairs are overpriced chairs, that aren't even designed around proper ergonomics.
Just get an office/computer chair.
If you wanna spend big bucks, just do what I did.
@@harpoon_bakery162 I didn't even bother with the warranty.
Maybe I should've, but what I was looking for in my new chair were very different from what I had at the time, and it just didn't make sense to even try, if I was getting something different.
@@McCool117 Actually, as he had said, the price for both is quite the same. I've already bought an office chair a long time ago. Now I'd like to try the gaming chair.
What are your opinions on the lumbar support of the 2022 secret lab titan Evo with built-in 4 way adjustments?
I’m in a position where I’m buying used, so will probably buy gaming as I have never owned an office gaming chair. But later in life when I buy new, I would get the best office chair at that time. I just wanna try it out rn, and see if it really is as terrible as people say they are.
Great video. Thanks!
I have really bad posture, my shoulders are too far forward. I don't understand how I'm suppose to sit in my gaming chair when there is side bolsters sticking out from the sides at shoulder level. It forces me to slouch forward with my shoulders since there's no room to pull them back in a natural position. The bucket seat design is really bad for my posture. I really need help, I've looked all over for a solution for this problem but I've had no luck. A response would be greatly appreciated because my chair is ruining my body and I can't afford a new one 😔😔
Unfortunately, you will likely need to replace the chair with a more traditional type of office chair -GK
@@btodtv yeah I was afraid so. Thanks for replying!
try selling it to someone you know or post online, then with that money just buy an office chair
What are your thoughts on the Titan Evo 2022? It has a lot more features than any of Secret Lab's older chairs and is apparently way more durable.
I got one a few days ago and I love it. I’ve never had a gaming chair before and bought it because I couldn’t find an office chair tall enough to keep my shoulders, neck and head supported. The neo-leatherette material feels great and it comes with a built-in adjustable lumbar support. I’m happy with my purchase.
@@kerfluffle I have a softweave one coming any day now. I am very excited.
@@Skrenja I hope it will be everything you expect :)
@@Skrenja how is it?
@@0741921 It's decent. VERY firm but forces you to sit in a correct posture. Not even close to being the most comfortable chair I've sat in but I am sure it will help my posture. The lumbar support is "meh" and the pillow and magnetic arm rest covers like to fall off an annoying amount.
This is the greatest comparison video i've seen on the toppic, thanks for the help you're putting out!
Hoping to get some feedback. I have a gaming chair and wanting to replace it. What id like to know is, what are some recommendation to replace the chair with. This isn't for a home office, its for me to game on and watch Netflix in. So would like to get a good Chair for posture but also be able to snooze in it.
I have yet to outwear or break down a high quality office chair. I've broken two gaming chairs in four years, twice each.
If covered by warranty, it takes 14 days without a chair while it's being sent back to factory. Never again.
For me, metal back and metal seat parts bent and broke, and plastic (!!) castor mounts brittled and broke.
As well as plastic decorative plates coming loose and breaking due to becoming brittle (but does not hinder functionality).
These chairs are designed to break. How anyone dares take sleeping position in them is beyond me. Get a proper recliner.
Now I'm going expensive office chair next with decent warranty, and I'll check with store if they have a part replacement system setup.
Thank you for your feedback - GK
It depends on what chair ur using obviously. You must have tried some crappy chairs bro
@@yazdazkafraz3419 Was the more expensive options, felt solid, and looked solid. Unfortunately had plastic parts in the castor inserts. Plastic in force supporting parts is never a good idea as it gets brittle over time. Chinese "quality" (I've had Chinese chargers that exploded when I plugged them in) - all these chairs are built in China. It's not that others may not be built not to last, but they come with a much better warranty. ElectroBoom had a HM chair metal pin fail on him, and those are pretty expensive and considered high quality built to last office chairs.
Crappy chairs? You haven't wondered why all these look very similar?
@@gottagowork I meam they'll obviously have varyimg build qualities regardless of similarity of looks, the GT099 is a solid gaming chair and while it obviously soesn't beat Herman Miller, has been a reliable option so far
@@gottagowork The ergo chairs are chinese quality too. The beloved iPhone is that too. You get what you pay for and you know it. Should've done your research before making random purchases.
I spend a lot of money on a premium gaming chair only to discover I cannot stand that it pushes against my shoulders. I just cannot handle the bucket racing design. I need a flat back for my shoulders. Now I again have to spend a lot of money on a premium office style chair that has a flat back.
lol should have done the research. it's a 200$ lesson maybe
Buy a gaming chair without the bucket design then, there are plenty to go around.
@@SirKolass most gaming chairs are really uncomfortable and less room to adjust. They are mostly made of cheap lever that cracks, worse warranty, less adjustment( expect in how far it leans back),Terrible back support and over priced. And the desgin,It’s just a cheap trend that works because people keep buying them because they think it looks cool and the market doesn’t have to adapt because of this. And they don’t look that bad but that shouldnt be the main reason to buy a chair. Search it up on youtube, “gaming chair vs office chair” and the first video will show u what u mean. Gaming chairs normally look better but there are office chairs that good too, there aright and if u have one then u don’t have to get a office chair but it in general it’s better to have a office chair. Also there aren’t really gaming chairs that don’t have a bucket design. And even if there is the listed problems above still warrants buying an good looking office chair.
Many thanks for this good summary!
Ive switched to ergonomic chair, Looks like gaming chair but the functionality is combination of office chair and gaming chair (can lean back and have lumbar support)
My conclusion, sit in what you want as long as its comfortable and have a physically active lifestyle
That’s how I found my SO
Vertagear PL6000 has been my chair since 2016 and its so comfortable that I can sleep in it. Its design also fully supports my back without the lumbar support pillow. I actually use that same pillow for my neck. BTW, many gaming chairs have 4D armrests. You just have to know where to look
This video was made just for the sake of uploading something.
which one is better to prevent neck and back pain ?
I'm a digital artist I'm often slouch over to draw on my drawing tablet on my desk. What chair would you suggest for a digital artist that is trying to improve their posture while they draw?
you know the secretlab chair comes in different sizes right? you're sitting in the omega secretlab chair which is for people up to 5 ft 6 lol they have a titan series which are for bigger people
Exactly what I'm thinking while sitting in my Titan. The office chairs never gave me the support my shoulders and upper back needed. I've tried a lot of them
Yea, Im 6'2'' 280 and the Titan is by far the best chair I have sat in. I hunted for a good office chair that isnt just a lounger. The Titan's ability to be true up right and then lock all the way back is the best.
Also talk about Lumbar Support on the Titan. Better than many, many office chairs i tried, and adjustable to the the strength you need.
I’m 6’4” (170lbs) and I still feel the omega chair to be a perfect fit for me
you know that a video is biased when you see the creator only hearting comments that agree with his opinion 🤣
100% -RB
I bought an ergonomic office chair off Amazon but it was fairly cheap and the cushioning is quite bad for long gaming sessions. It's otherwise a good chair but I think you have to be willing to spend good money to get something for long usage.
Hello, I actually need help in choosing Herman Miller embody or steelcase gesture. These are the only two chairs available in my country . My back pain after longer period siting - spinal misalignment. Which one is better . Your input would be greatly appreciated. Checked your webpage on that but it never mentions about lumbar support on embody vs gesture . If you can make video on best lumbar support without price point . It would be good.
The prices of embody and gesture is literally same in my country. So no problem in price
I just got this video as suggestion after buying a new ergonomic Mesh office chair after using a gaming chair for 6 months.
I actually just came from throwing the gaming chair to the trash on my local community and can’t be happier with my new mesh chair. Best ergonomics I’ve felt in a long time and I now feel far more engaged into spending proper time in front of my pc while I work from home.
I’ll definitely never buy a gaming chair again.
I have a Steelcase Leap V2, and while I like it, the support isn't great. I got it as a handme down from a family member, because screw the price tag of the Leap V2, it's ridiculous. The lumbar is TERRIBLE, bad upper back shoulder support. Otherwise though the chair is fine. Better than your $150 walmart or even Costco office chair. I have to say, I know people with Secretlab chairs, and they are super nice, but they aren't for everyone. There are some nice Ergo office chairs that you can get for cheaper, but will not have as much adjustability tbh. Depends on your needs, and frame and build. Everyone isn't exactly the same.
The carseats IMO bottom out quicker than a good office chair. But this is from 200-300ish price range experience for the gaming chairs. I got a stealcase V2 Leap as well and just removed the lumbar support and it's great. Already has support with the curved frame, way better than the gaming chair I had which bottomed out after 2 yrs
I've been sitting on a 200 dollar Ficmax gaming chair for 3 years and have no complaints. However I just had a wheel break out of the base, so decided to upgrade. Bought the Secretlab Titan EVO 2022 and it should be here Thursday. I recently started a job that has me working from home 2-3 days a week so I am looking forward to this upgrade. I just pray it was worth the 550 bucks.
Overall though if the wheel didn't bust on my Ficmax and the armrests weren't torn up, I would've never even considered buying a new chair. This thing has been amazingly comfortable and surprisingly durable. I did have to replace the lift on it about a year ago, but I also have abused it pretty hard over the years. This video had some great points, and it solidified the fact that I'm super excited to get my Titan EVO!
Thanks for watching! I'd be interested to hear your feedback on the Titan EVO once you get it in and put some hours into it. NL
This is the best and honest review I have ever watched in my entire life. Thank you very much!
i actually prefer gaming chairs over office chairs for confort, mainly because of my height. I am 187cm tall (6foot 2) and i sit behind a computer 6+ hours a day, sometimes even 10 or 12. but there are very few chairs available for someone like me that are specific to my height and not wayyyy too expensive, especially when you need a headrest like me to take some rest in between those long hours of work. most normal office chairs don't have nearly enough lumbar support for me because they are all to low (most of the lumbar supports are at about the top of my hips, nowhere close to where i actually need it) so that strap mechanism from gaming chairs allows me to take any hight I want. the only office chairs that are good for tall people like me are specialty stuff that is really expensive or not available near me, we had one good chair from IKEA but it was the same price as a gaming chair, non-moveble armrests, and lumbar support so shallow that we would have to stuff something behind my back to get any support. i will admit that racing style seat style is a little to narrow for my shoulders but i don't mind that too much. but i got my "gaming" chair for about 150euro/180usd and any good office chair for people like me would at least cost 2 times the price, probably 3 times. the only thing i had to do was move the headrest pillow up all the way to actually support my head (plus my chair got a leg rest so thats nice when you are watching a video or movie, especially when you put your chair flat to get a good stretch).
@Shem Shem: Would like to point out that there is no situation where you would need a "head rest" unless you are sitting wrong, leaning too far back, killing your lower back in the process. If you need a rest, go to your bed or couch lmao. For tall people, if you really care about your health and ergonomics, I would personally suggest checking out a saddle chair with a backrest.
Interesting video with a lot of good points IF we're talking about standard gaming chairs, which are usually trash, let's be honest here... The last model of Secret Lab gaming chairs fortunately don't have those drawbacks talked about here though, so you're pretty much safe in choosing this instead of a standard office chair. Also, standard office chairs typicaly don't have a head rest, which I personnaly find to be a very important option considering my neck pain..
Have to agree i got the latest 2022 Titan from Secret labs, it has two lumbar support knobs to adjust and the back pain i had on the previous chair has now gone. I do get the video though, there are a lot of cheap cgaming chairs that are bad for your back.
100% agree with you. I needed to buy a chair for WFH, and I did a tonne of research before buying my Secretlab Omega softweave, and had never owned a gaming chair before and Im not a gamer. I used the principle logic of: gamers sit in chairs for a lot more hours vs office chairs. The host misses the mark, where gaming chairs can give you upper back, and neck support with the memory foam cushion. Ive had my gaming chair for 7 months and love it to bits!
I disagree that I missed the mark on back and neck support. Especially when the Omega is being used as an example of a good option for those things. The Omega is one of the most uncomfortable chairs we have ever tested. It is horrible for back support. -RB
@@ashleychong1673Gamers sit for longer in gaming chairs than office workers do in office chairs? So an average gamer spends 8+ hours gaming per day? Not sure what kind of dumb research you did, but you clearly didn't cover the benefits of high-end office chairs and how most of them are rated for 24/7 use. Show me just one gaming chair that is rated that highly.
@@StardustLegacyFighter Wow... bit of anger there? Everything ok on the home front? Some of us don't have the budget to pay a lot of money for a Herman Miller or similar. All i know is my gaming chair gives me great back and shoulder support - couldn't be happier.
thanks for the information :)
I feel out of place with my wooden kitchen chair and cushions. Isn't back pain more of a matter of posture anyways? I never had any back problems, even after prolonged sessions :/.
Any recommendations for chairs? I wanna get a office chair but am considering a gaming one because I want my head and upper back to be supported. Any office chair with a headrest has been super expensive.
Staples Mesh chair 170$
Hyken
@Bobby Jones: Your body is supporting your head, if you are sitting properly. There is no reason whatsoever to have a "headrest"... just buy a pillow and go to your bed/couch if you need to rest lmao.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. I disagree, a headrest is nice when you are leaning back and just chilling. It's the only complaint I have with my Mirra 2. If it had a headrest it would be a perfect chair imo.
@@RE4PER : Well, we have recliners and couches that are designed for leaning and chilling... or a bed even. Doing that in a computer chair strains your lower back and is not good for your posture in the long run.
if you love your back go for ergonomics
Can you give a try to the new Secretlab Titan Evo 2022? They have now integrated lumbar support, it would be nice to have your opinion.
We have the Titan 2022. I’ll be recording the review for it tomorrow. -RB
What is the name of that white chair in reclining compared to the gaming chair. Can't find it! Thanks
If you are looking at the chair at 4:25, that is the Eurotech iOO Fabric/Mesh Ergonomic Chair. www.btod.com/eur-ioo-fabric NL
You forgot to mention that the Gaming chair is really hot in the back. Sweating in the back is a big NO for many people. Especially people that are living in a hot climate or people who don't have air-conditioning.
@@TiagoMarques00 and then you are lucky. you both are one of the many people who don't sweat on a leather chair. I am not fat, and I sweat a lot. I also do exercise 3x a week. Even after I eat my meal, I always sweat a lot, especially when eating spicy food.
Just remember, if a person who is not fat and always sweat especially when going to gym/exercise, it is a sign of having a healthy body. If you don't sweat all the time, then maybe, there is a problem. :D Peace!
@@TiagoMarques00 it's not because of the gaming chair. It's because of your body. It can adapt to an unbreathable and hot situation. Unlike many people, including me, gaming chair is hot and uncomfortable. All people are not made equal.
@@TiagoMarques00 the truth is, majority of people are just too hype with gaming chairs because it's a trend and widely marketed but never think of the consequences. Because they love playing games, they are being manipulated to buy gaming chair. In the end, many have regreted buying gaming chair because it's hot and sweaty in the back. And that's what all of my friends have exeprienced. Same goes for me. Even if it's not a leather gaming chair, if the back is not mesh type, I still sweat in the back. If a person is not OCD with cleaniness, good luck with gaming chair, cleaning will be very hard especially on non-leather gaming chairs.
@@TiagoMarques00 LOL! XD I will say it again, everybody is different. Your opinion will be yours only as you have experienced it by yourself. As for me, the gaming chair is really bad for me. Hot and not comfortable. And many of my friends have ditched and regretted buying a gaming chair. Try to research more comparisons about gaming chairs vs ergonomic chairs. You will find that many will always go for an ergonomic chair, not on a gaming chair.
This comment just saved me from buying a gaming chair. Being sweaty/overheated is a huge no for me. Thanks!
I respect your opinion, however i think gaming chair has a better value for money than an office chair, maybe it's just in my place however i found gaming chair with more features ( i have been looking for a cheap office chair with rich armrest adjustment and a headrest with no luck) as cheaper than office chair with the similar features, therefore i think a good office chair is very comfortable however significantly more expensive vs features compared with gaming chair, I lived in Medan, Indonesia, do you guys feel the same in your countries?
I can see that making sense if your area doesn't have an ample supply of seating options -GK
Just save up and buy a ergonomic chair. Mesh is the future and the gaming chair community has literally no innovation to realise they need to shift. Most of them are just rebranded from the same suppliers (no wonder they're cheaper). Get yourself a good investment and your back and posture will thank you for it
For US where there's a lot of different office chair to choose from. This does not applicable to my country as most office chair is just static without recline or whatever ergonomic adjustment. At least I can lay back and get proper nap with my neck supported with gaming chair.
quite informative and serious video. That's how this is done. no mumbo jambo!!!
I appreciate the lengths this video went to to be really really nice in saying to thousands of people that they wasted their money on an over-priced, over-designed piece of shit gaming chair.
😂 -GK
Eh I don’t really care because the gaming chair I have is miles better than any office chair I’ve sat in
You just gotta find the right size
I'm using the Steelcase Gesture as an all-around chair (gaming - office - media)
Smart choice! That is a great chair -GK
Expensive
You really dropped that much on a chair?
i got a noblechairs hero. one of the few charis that looks less gaming aggresive and have superb comfort features. i dont regret buying it. love it
Thank you!
I would love to see a review of secretlabs titan evo 2022
Gaming chairs are designed and office chairs are engineered.
I have the GTRACING seat in that exact color. The only complaint I have is that I wish the cushion was softer. It’s really hard to sit on
you can get an ergonomic pillow from aliexpress.
9:49 sure you can, just plop a graphic tee or tank top on an office chair's back!
Simply said ... Buy office chair for your body posture and health ... or gaming chair for the hype ...
There are BAD and GOOD office chair. It goes for the same for "gaming" chair.
Yeah, that is sadly what this guy is suggesting. But I have to say you can absolutely not generalize like that. I bought a 'gaming' chair 5 years ago, for 350 Euros. It is just black, no bling, stitching or anything extraordinary. And it has ALL the features he mentions when talking about standard office chairs. Absolutely anything is adjustable on it and it is by far the best chair I ever worked on. We had 800 Euros chairs in our office and they sucked so hard, I still dont know where that price came from.
So, this video gets a thumb down from me because he really seems to make it want to sound like gaming chairs are just marketing. They definitely are not. My chair, btw, is the Maxnomic Commander S II - now its at 400 Euros. Absolute recommendation from me.
@@Clumpfy you got a secretlab?
@@freddydoggy83 Exactly! There's actually 1 very good gaming chair which is the logitech x herman miller G embody.
I literally went to try chairs yesterday and gaming chair won, and it was all based on comfort and I wasn't even looking for a gaming chair it was just there. I was honestly looking for a mesh ergonomic office chair. But the tilt and the head support alone on the gaming chair was incomparable with the office chair.
Yeah I've never tried an office chair and maybe it's truly the way to go for actual support but I don't see how those thin back supports are going to feel as comfortable as the thick but soft back sides of a gaming chair.
Yes, the gaming chairs here also look way more comfortable.. I want to have neck support so I will probably buy a gaming chair too for my home office... can’t stand my back cracking every time I move lol 😭
@@MalphasMikaelson The thin backs are often mesh which flexes/moulds to each persons back and in my experience are generally more comfortable than padded chairs. I think of it like lying in a hammock vs lying on cushions on top of a hard surface.
The other benefit for me is that mesh/fabric chairs don't make me sweaty as hell in the summer weather like the nasty faux leather of gaming chairs, maybe not an issue if you have aircon but it's still horrible to sit on faux leather and have any exposed skin stick to it 😬
@@emmao6578 But do most people sleep on a hard platform with cushions or in a hammock?
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The blue chair at 2:40, which one is that exactly?