This is a much needed change - your leadership on this is much appreciated. Chris linked us to a poster that has a table titled "Theoretical and measured ratios of ePAR to PAR." It would be helpful if you could post a video on these numbers so growers can understand how to translate PAR numbers into ePAR numbers
I smoked a bong evertime he said _Wageningen_ in a clear pronunciation without any distinctive Dutch mumbling and funny emphasis on the last syllable. Now I'm so high that I was able to replace my far red LED with the blank stare of my red eyes to save electricity. Thank you, Dr. Bugbee!
Very good presentation (as usual) Thanks, Have the Apogee ePAR meter (MQ-610 380-760nm), going to play with supplemental Far red lighting this winter. Us amateur researchers will be testing as well.
@@LarsLarsen77 Thanks, I had grabbed a small reptile light to kill off a small mold spot that had just started to form. That got me thinking about the long term bene's of a cpl hours a day during flower
It's interesting how optics and refraction of light has given us the power to understand the plants world. Not always you hear such scientific approach mixed with Dark Side of the Moon 👍 Great Talk Dr. Bugbee.
Dr. Bugbee, when testing E-par’s morphological affects, is DLI constant within each spectrum test? Far red morphology seems be affected by intensity of blue LEDs on my fixture.
My guess is that, other than shade avoidance response, the increase in lettuce yield is caused by the enhancement of cell expansion, which is an effect of far-red light
Thank you Bruce. Your knowledge is invaluable and you've really peaked my interest with your videos and truly got me interested in the specifics of plant-science/horticulture! Absolute living legend.
Fascinating. If and when I'm in the market for more grow lights, I will have to try to keep this in mind - or perhaps I won't have to if they update their specs accordingly. This could be huge for indoor hydroponics operations.
Maybe a dumb question, but for ePAR, why is the UV portion excluded? From the graph, it looks like there's reasonable photosynthesis until ~350. Is IR just that much more effective and thus included?
Dr. Bugbee addresses this at the 10:30 mark of the video. The photosynthetic efficacy of UV is crop dependent. Radishes, for example, are far more photosynthetically affected by UV then other crops. But for the vast majority of crops, the cutoff is a lot closer to 400, thus the cutoff for developing a general definition (400-750 nm) and developing a tool of measuring ePAR, 400 nm makes the most sense as the cutoff. It would be bad to put a lower cutoff because it only applies to a very small number of crop types. For some crops, Dr. Bugbee recommends a spectroradiometer, not an ePAR sensor for measuring UV.
@@ApogeeInstrumentsInc thank you so much! this makes total sense. I t didn't put 2 and 2 together that since it only benefits a narrow range of plants, it doesn't need to be included.
the Marshall lettuce example at 10:20 is super interesting! would it be accurate to equate that to the anecdotal "green is more potent than purple" because green cultivars use UV photons better?
Hello Bruce, Given that photons have (by definition) a specific amount of energy and this energy can excite specific electrons, how come a different energy-photon (ePAR) are reacting with photosystems? In other words, does the photosystems change their molecular bond to accommodate for a extended PAR? Cheers, Gustavo
It is at Dr MJ COCO. It really isn't a huge difference. The PAR versus ePar numbers are in the neighborhood of 50 ppfd difference.. It won't affect the quality of a grow if you don't have ePAR readings.
depends totally on what kind of light you use. if you have fixture that has good far-red diodes, it could be making pretty big difference, not to mention the morphological differences it is doing also. most of todays fixtures have only 660 nm red light, but that is about to change if they catch these researches.
They’ve already begun to change. They now have LED grow lights with adjustable far red to 780, was the highest while 730 was the most common. Not quite as well as the 750 but, it is an improvement!
@@jakebrake7054 Actually, 660 is most common and some manufacturers add a few 730nm in the mix also. Unfortunately they also use useless UV LED along with the 730.
@@PeterKKraus to say uv led is useless is a bit confusing. uv light emitted from led for sure is quite weak, but not useless in right quantities. it can improve terpene production by making the plant have immune response on that stress. but yeah, right now uv light is way more efficient from other sources than led
I'm running an El cheapo 30w 405nm flooder led thingy in there. Plants lovin it. I'm lacking the ability to see the results without it because it's such a new crop but I will not grow without it
First of all congrats amazing presentation. I did some “amateur” work while testing beta testing fertilizer for hydroponic cultures, that included testing the fertilizers under different light conditions, Concerning the far red spectrum what we observed is that the tolerance of co2 levels increased, brix also higher and the EC dropped considerably faster when far red was used this resulted in bigger yields, we always tought it was the shadow or the "summer light" effect we never considered it was affecting the efficiency of the photosynthesis. About the uv light, we found some exceptions cultures that had measurable increase in crop result ( also in leaf Brix, the only way i had to measure the result of the photosyntheses ) but almost all the plants had changes in leaf design and especially interesting was that it increased the resistance to pests and diseases.
how do you think, if i use led light like main source of light, can i add simple incandescent lamp for far red source, it have enough IR radiation in it's spectrum, isn't it?
I appreciate this information in your research I had studied your prior research and highly provided me with information for which I used to buy the correct lighting for low price
I would like to see tests on spectrum king led, been using them exclusively for years and their data/info rings similar to what I've heard on this channel. Keep up the great works
Wow!! This was very interesting and informative also. Thank you Dr. Bugby. Really do appreciate the time and effort put into these educational , horticulture lighting videos.. 🤜🌟🤛🪴🪴🪴
I have a picture of Dr Bugbee hanging in my grow room
that's not weird
In bugbee we trust 🙏
I’ll be nice and just say, GROSS.
People put pictures of Jesus on their wall and you don’t call it weird nor gross!!?? At least he is paying respect to real person;)
@@aficionadoofthefinestherbs4722 those people are weird too. I’ve got a half naked poster of my wife in my grow room. To each their own.
Play -> Pause -> Rewinding -> Play -> Pause -> Rewinding
Outstanding information as always = Apogee
Thank you very much; Dr. Bruce Bugbee
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This is a much needed change - your leadership on this is much appreciated. Chris linked us to a poster that has a table titled "Theoretical and measured ratios of ePAR to PAR." It would be helpful if you could post a video on these numbers so growers can understand how to translate PAR numbers into ePAR numbers
Watch some DR MJCOCO growlight reviews. He uses both PAR and ePAR readings.
Check out the poster here! cdn7.bigcommerce.com/s-0oei9zu/content/sensor-to-measure-extended-PAR.pdf
m8, thanks for highlighting the students. "when I mean we, I mean Shuyang did the work" truly goes a long way
The enthusiam regarding "Repeat his data", this statement....👌💯!
Love the research and data you're able to produce Dr. bugbee!
I smoked a bong evertime he said _Wageningen_ in a clear pronunciation without any distinctive Dutch mumbling and funny emphasis on the last syllable. Now I'm so high that I was able to replace my far red LED with the blank stare of my red eyes to save electricity. Thank you, Dr. Bugbee!
Very good presentation (as usual) Thanks, Have the Apogee ePAR meter (MQ-610 380-760nm), going to play with supplemental Far red lighting this winter. Us amateur researchers will be testing as well.
Very nice, dopamine for the plants!
What da hehjl Sir
smartest man in this field that I know of 🔥
Great info & explanation as always! How bout sharing the PDF of the published paper instead of locking it behind a pay wall??? 🤓
Can reptile heating lamps that emit uv a and b be used as a supplemental light for crops that benefit from those bandwidths?
Get a T5 UV bulb. They're brighter.
@@LarsLarsen77 Thanks, I had grabbed a small reptile light to kill off a small mold spot that had just started to form. That got me thinking about the long term bene's of a cpl hours a day during flower
@@LarsLarsen77 any recommendation for distance needed?
It's interesting how optics and refraction of light has given us the power to understand the plants world. Not always you hear such scientific approach mixed with Dark Side of the Moon 👍 Great Talk Dr. Bugbee.
Outstanding information, the work that you guys do is phenomenal and let me speak for everyone when I say thank you
Dr. Bugbee, when testing E-par’s morphological affects, is DLI constant within each spectrum test? Far red morphology seems be affected by intensity of blue LEDs on my fixture.
Doesn't the red to far-red ratio have to be incredibly low,
My guess is that, other than shade avoidance response, the increase in lettuce yield is caused by the enhancement of cell expansion, which is an effect of far-red light
Thank you Bruce. Your knowledge is invaluable and you've really peaked my interest with your videos and truly got me interested in the specifics of plant-science/horticulture! Absolute living legend.
As always, appreciate your time and work
@Apogee Instruments Inc. - do you see these latest findings having any effect on the "Efficiency" ratings of High Pressure Sodium Lamps?
oh what I would do for one of those ePAR DLI portable units!
Thank you Bruce, for all you do for the world!
❤️ from West Australia
Fascinating. If and when I'm in the market for more grow lights, I will have to try to keep this in mind - or perhaps I won't have to if they update their specs accordingly.
This could be huge for indoor hydroponics operations.
Leading scientific exploration of cannabis bugbee 🐐🐐
Far red photons = fluffy buds/cannabis flowers or- Bigger cannabis flower yields?
Which is it?
Thank you for the great video.
Maybe a dumb question, but for ePAR, why is the UV portion excluded? From the graph, it looks like there's reasonable photosynthesis until ~350. Is IR just that much more effective and thus included?
Dr. Bugbee addresses this at the 10:30 mark of the video. The photosynthetic efficacy of UV is crop dependent. Radishes, for example, are far more photosynthetically affected by UV then other crops. But for the vast majority of crops, the cutoff is a lot closer to 400, thus the cutoff for developing a general definition (400-750 nm) and developing a tool of measuring ePAR, 400 nm makes the most sense as the cutoff. It would be bad to put a lower cutoff because it only applies to a very small number of crop types. For some crops, Dr. Bugbee recommends a spectroradiometer, not an ePAR sensor for measuring UV.
@@ApogeeInstrumentsInc thank you so much! this makes total sense. I t didn't put 2 and 2 together that since it only benefits a narrow range of plants, it doesn't need to be included.
Could Dr. Bugbee tell about optimal concentration of potassium for cannabis?
Par should be VPAR for ‘visible par’ and epar, should be simply par(:
Is the deviation of the 6% (18%to12%)due to the filtering of the UV side?
Great as always! Thank you!
the Marshall lettuce example at 10:20 is super interesting! would it be accurate to equate that to the anecdotal "green is more potent than purple" because green cultivars use UV photons better?
Hello Bruce, Given that photons have (by definition) a specific amount of energy and this energy can excite specific electrons, how come a different energy-photon (ePAR) are reacting with photosystems? In other words, does the photosystems change their molecular bond to accommodate for a extended PAR?
Cheers, Gustavo
It is at Dr MJ COCO. It really isn't a huge difference. The PAR versus ePar numbers are in the neighborhood of 50 ppfd difference.. It won't affect the quality of a grow if you don't have ePAR readings.
depends totally on what kind of light you use. if you have fixture that has good far-red diodes, it could be making pretty big difference, not to mention the morphological differences it is doing also. most of todays fixtures have only 660 nm red light, but that is about to change if they catch these researches.
They’ve already begun to change. They now have LED grow lights with adjustable far red to 780, was the highest while 730 was the most common. Not quite as well as the 750 but, it is an improvement!
@@jakebrake7054 Actually, 660 is most common and some manufacturers add a few 730nm in the mix also. Unfortunately they also use useless UV LED along with the 730.
@@PeterKKraus to say uv led is useless is a bit confusing. uv light emitted from led for sure is quite weak, but not useless in right quantities. it can improve terpene production by making the plant have immune response on that stress. but yeah, right now uv light is way more efficient from other sources than led
@@Derssi10 UV LED are useless. They emit a negligible amount of UV radiation. Fluorescent UV tubes or CFL UV are the only options other than sunlight.
what if UV light is important for quality (terpenes etc.) ?
I'm running an El cheapo 30w 405nm flooder led thingy in there. Plants lovin it. I'm lacking the ability to see the results without it because it's such a new crop but I will not grow without it
As usual I will need to re-watch this over and over to completely wrap my brain around this.. 😉
First of all congrats amazing presentation. I did some “amateur” work while testing beta testing fertilizer for hydroponic cultures, that included testing the fertilizers under different light conditions, Concerning the far red spectrum what we observed is that the tolerance of co2 levels increased, brix also higher and the EC dropped considerably faster when far red was used this resulted in bigger yields, we always tought it was the shadow or the "summer light" effect we never considered it was affecting the efficiency of the photosynthesis. About the uv light, we found some exceptions cultures that had measurable increase in crop result ( also in leaf Brix, the only way i had to measure the result of the photosyntheses ) but almost all the plants had changes in leaf design and especially interesting was that it increased the resistance to pests and diseases.
Dr. Bugbee for president!
Thank Mr bugbee highly appreciated this answers so many of my questions
Thank you apogee 🙏♥️☺️
how do you think, if i use led light like main source of light, can i add simple incandescent lamp for far red source, it have enough IR radiation in it's spectrum, isn't it?
I think it would work as a far-red source, but it would be terribly inefficient in terms of energy. Keep us updated on the results!
CFL warm white is better.
Always love the videos Bruce. I think him and green genes should do a video together
I appreciate this information in your research I had studied your prior research and highly provided me with information for which I used to buy the correct lighting for low price
Just awesome. Thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you Bruce for your LED classes. I’m old school bulb and WOW led is awesome but you must be careful
Awesome work and explanation. Thank you once again Bruce!
Thank you very much! Very nice! Perfect! Wonderful! Excellent! Great! Amazing!
Thnx Bruce 👍🏻 💪🏽🌱
I would like to see tests on spectrum king led, been using them exclusively for years and their data/info rings similar to what I've heard on this channel. Keep up the great works
Gracias profe.
Oh wow. What a great time to be born in. Thanks
My professor 🧑🏫
Yes sir 💯
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tx Doc
My Horizon LED have 710 Watt the light is so strong with 1500 Watt HPS very crazy LED.
amazing
light is food!
Buddah bruce
never judge a book by it's cover
Never book a judge undercover
Plant evolution: “when the far reds show up, winter is coming…better hurry up”
rad
KIND LED the best.
I have the X420
@@izzem so do I. And I love it
Greenception GCx is King
far red a dinosaurs delight larger snacks
bugbee-when i say "we" i mean others too. hahaha mans wants to include everyone so he letting you know!!
Wow!! This was very interesting and informative also. Thank you Dr. Bugby.
Really do appreciate the time and effort put into these educational , horticulture lighting videos..
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