Inside The Cockpit - Fiat G.91
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2019
- Designed in the 1950s, the Fiat G.91 provided an answer to the call for a universal light attack aircraft, slotted for use in all major NATO countries. Of course, things turn out way different.
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Visit the Military History Museum of the Bundeswehr (Luftwaffe) Berlin-Gatow
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GAF TO 1F-G91(R3)-1, Flight Manual G 91-R3, March 1964
Giorgio Apostolo, The Fiat G.91
Jeffrey Quill, In The Cockpit
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you pronounced Gnat so wrong XD - It's "Nah-t" not "G-nan-t"
@@katiejackson3900 It happens
@@MilitaryAviationHistory No shame, it's not a common word and english isn't as easy to pronounce as German (I love german pronounciation cos you know how everything sounds)
Completely off topic, but why is there a RAAF dc-3 at this museum? That has to be an interesting story.
Gift by RAAF to Berlin in memory of the airlift
I was a mechanic in that beautiful machine, back in the days in the Portuguese Airforce...
Did you serve in Afrika, Guerra Ultramar?
@@musteila6789 No, I'm in my 50's, so I served in peace time...
Pedro T. It there any truth that the Portuguese had problem with maintenance of the second hand G 91 s they bought from Germany due the major modifications the Lawaffa carried out compared with the original design ?
@@skylongskylong1982 Sorry, not sure since the G91's were already in Portuguese hands long time before I went to the Air Force
Did you work on r4’s?
I was stationed in Spain 79-82 with F-4's when we did a NATO exercise in Portugal, Went to the range there to practice strafe and bomb runs. The G91's and Portugese pilots showed our American F4 pilots what a ground attacker can really do. Those pilots where GOOD! Not a pilot myself, but being in the range control tower, it was very obvious on who was putting bombs and bullets on target.
on exercises everybody is good because no life treat exists
@@klesarhr-bz5of - Let me clear a SMALL detail you seem to have "forgot"!
Portugal held it's own, quite well for 13 years, of simultaneous war in three (3) different theaters of operations! Guinea, Angola and Mozambique.
USA pushed to war (started) back in 61, Angola!
In a short while the rest was involved. The rest as they say is history. With the 3 major powers (USA, Soviet Union and China) financing and supporting their respective protégé's in each location. And the Portuguese still holding it's own!
In the end, radical political and mostly mentality changes in Portugal. Due to the fall of the old regimen. Lead to give "freedom" & independence to ALL Portuguese colonies! Curiously even the ones who were not fighting! It was a 180 degree political change that denied victory to all the fighting groups and level the freedom among them all!
Rather surprising outcome!
That to this day, some of them contest. Due to their lack of real "victory" on the field! Once more proving "pen is mightier than the sword"!
Well, they kept fighting and killing each other. With no Portuguese presence or "oppression"! Go figure!
BUT don't take me wrong. By then, Portugal had some of the best trained and with a lot of REAL operational war experience! Some truths might be hard to swallow. But please try! Cheers ;-)
My father was One of them.
Dont forget that those pilots had years of Experience in real Combat missions.
My father did 537 combat missions,all close air support in Moçambique and Guine Bissau.
The ground troops loved them,specialy in Guiné ,where the war after 1971 started to shift in to Enemy Control. And in 1973,Portuguese posts in the jungle started to be completely abandoned because of the 24/ 7 artillery pounding by the Enemy. The G91 saved thousands of man,but at the same time,they started to be shot down by the new AA portable Strela missile. They were grounded,only flying when some army position was abaut to be overun by the Enemy.
The Portuguese pilots were masters on those little Deadly jets.
@@crpth1 but they only started to fly the G91 in 1966. But even so,its a good Run,8 years of war.
@@klesarhr-bz5of what is a "life treat"?
The Ennio Morricone-ish opening montage music is a nice touch!
So happy it got noticed, was going for a bit of a Spagetti Western flavour
I thought it was Kill Bill
also in spirit of studio Ghibli... try Porco Rosso...
with all your comments you just made me want to build one, scale model of course ;)
Rip
G91 was one of the most underrated planes of all time
Why?
More like unknown
Martijn yes u can call it that too
G91 was very good that what it was designed too even more than it s soviet counterparts
@@stukablyat6266 your nickname make me cry HAHAHAHAH IS THE LIFE
I have to thank War Thunder for bringing this aircraft into the limelight for me and many others.
I can only imagine the astonished faces in Paris and London when it was announced the Fiat was the winner of the bid. Aah, yes and Statler and Waldorp type of commentary in Bonn.
Mediolanon I think by that point, the British had already pulled out of the project. We already had plenty of Hawker Hunters that were no longer top of the line as interceptors, so could be used for ground attack.
Interesting that all the labels of an Italian aircraft used in German service are in English? I suppose this is part of the NATO standardisation?
Spent 3 years at San Vito Air Station during the "80s. The Italian G-91s used to buzz our base all the time. I loved it.
Thanks for this G.91 overview & retrospective. Definitely one of my favorite NATO light attack jets from that era. Right alongside the A-4. Perhaps it should be known as "Gabrielli's Hotrod"
You're welcome
The G91 makes total sense for countries like Italy and Germany and other NATO Members close to the Soviet Union. They would be under ground attack long before France and England would be, so having this aircraft ready to fight the low altitude troop support role while their counterparts used their aircraft for air superiority. Different missions for different areas. These little aircraft would be super maneuverable and work well keeping Soviet armor from overrunning their country.
My uncle flew the G91 (R3) in the 70's. I have his complete "Materialamt Der Luftwaffe" binder for this aircraft from 1974, including all checklists one would expect -- i.e. pre-takeoff, cruise, conventional weapons, emergency, dive recovery tables, sight pattern data for bombing and gunnery... everything that was required knowledge of G91 pilot's at the time. I'm happy to share what I have if you're curious. Thank you so much for this incredible video.
Hello SirK, I know, this is 2 years after you posted this, but did your uncle say anything how this plane handled? I heard at was a handful at times, I also have it in my flight simulator where it seems to take forever to take off and needs very high landing speeds for such a small plane. That's why I'm so curious how it really flew, and the video didn't really address that...
@@normg2242 I know this is ~10 months after your comment, but I can tell you he loved flying the G.91. He had several photos of them in his office, including hand painted small-scale models, after he left the Luftwaffe. He went on to fly commercial for Lufthansa and Aero Lloyd for many years. He never discussed the handling characteristics of the G.91, but he did have a complete canopy and seat from one in his basement, which I enjoyed 'playing' with as a child. He loved flying them very much. Before he passed away many years ago, he adopted a dog he named "Gina", which is the 'nickname' for the G.91. Suffice to say, he was a fan of the Fiat G.91 platform.
@comradeyars ... no worries about the belated reply, always happy to hear from people 😊. That's pretty cool about the seat and the canopy, I can imagine what that must have meant to a young boy, I would have gone nuts...lol. Thanks for sharing!
Great video. I just think that you could have mentioned more the role of the Portuguese Air Force's wider experience in the operational aspect of this iconic aircraft . A good friend of mine has even written an article in Flieger magazine. in fact: 1. The PoAF were the only Air Force to have gone to war with it,. 2.The PoAF used it from the 60s until around the mid-90s 3. The PoAF used both the R-3s and R-4s and 4. A PoAF G-91 squadron even won the Silver Tiger with it. Thanks and yes I gave a thumbs up and I subscribed.
Actually the G-91Y wasn't supersonic
A little info, a G-91R is being restored to flying condition in Italy
Huh, I phrased that very poorly. Meant to say that they wanted to try going supersonic (hence the experimental) and then built the G.91Y [which, as you say, actually wasnt supersonic]. My bad
@@MilitaryAviationHistory still was a very interesting version, even if it lost some of its original STOL capabilities, it was an improvement on maximum speed, cruise speed and payload
Delightful!
So, transsonic?
@@GewelReal Yeah Transsonic
Here in Italy is a plane still loved by the ones who flew it, the Y version was not so well received in comparison
It was also operated by the Frecce Tricolori in the PAN version, which used modified controls, I suggest to search the videos on UA-cam, they did some of the craziest aerobatics I've ever seen!
In portugal airforce was a good aircraft and loved one too.. me in particular, was born in the last years they flew ... but still love this aircraft!
I really enjoyed this video, not only the information but the style of it with the Sergio Leone style introduction and all of the cuts and film work. Impressive stuff for a youtube channel.
Feels like a Chieftain “Inside the Hatch” series. Love it
We have the Chieftain for tanks, and now we have the Bismarck for planes lol
But when is the plane going to be on fire?
My grandfather flew g.91 in ultramar war.
We portuguese loved that plane.
all airfields in portugal has a g.91 in the gate. Like a statue.
Holy shit, how does someone design a jet in a period of a few months
The P-51 went from contract signing to the first prototype in 102 days.
the Ambrosini Sagittario (an aerodynamic research aircraft that will led to the Sagittario II, briefly mentioned in this clip) was made in few weeks by stucking a Turbomeca Marboré turbojet into a S.7 propeller-driven, wooden-fuselage, trainer and giving it swept-wings and, by all accounts, it handled superbly. But Sergio Stefanutti, the designer, is what you can call an aerodynamic genius.
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Thats what happens when everything isnt political and draped in so much red tape if takes 2 years to build a prototype
same as you sitting down and sketching out on on a napkin... draw an overall shape, refine it, add stuff that'd make it go and bam aircraft designed... Now the real trick is making everything work like you had placed down in design, and make sure that while enough compromises are made that the aircraft's integrity in its original design is not ruined... THAT, is what takes time...
I bet it was a lot cheaper too. Check The F35 development time. Nine years from first flight to introduction in but the prototype Maiden flight was back in 2000. Can’t compare capabilities of course. Price tag is about 100 million Euro’s each. Things have changed a bit.
I've always thought the G.91 is an underrated aircraft and a great looking aircraft.
Look for g91Y, then......
A very modern looking aircraft for the time it was designed!
Great but it isn't complete without referring to its operational combat record on the 3 front Ultramarine Wars of the 1960/70's and that's a pity. Great work anyway and thanks for your very good videos.
I had a model of this plane when I was young and thought it was the most beautiful aircraft. Always loved it. America tested it against the Skyhawk but the Skyhawk one that order
G91 is a great little plane and good looking. I used to see the Portuguese models at Lajes Field AFB, Terceira Island, Azores, and the Italian's at NAS Sigonella, Sicily in the 80's when I was navigating P-3C Orions. Thanks for highlighting this neglected plane!
The European updated F-86 Saber is how I’ve always seen it. Really pretty early jet.
Was a complete different plane
That poor old bird is looking tired and shabby. I hope she will get some TLC before too much corrosion sets in. A great cockpit tour as well - thanks Mr Bismarck.
It really hurts me to see these planes rotting away where they stand.
Regarding the guns, the aircraft you showed could be a Portuguese R4. It carried the 4 stations of the German ones, but the 50cal guns of the Italian ones.
Another excelent video, Bismark! It´s great to see the Gina. As already said, 40 G.91R/4 equiped with 4x 0.50 cal guns were supplied from Luftwaffe to Portuguese AF, and afterwards 33 G.91R/3 with 2x 20mm cannons and 11 G.91T/3.
These Ginas were the only ones to be used in anger in the Portuguese African Conflict, were the Fiats (as they were known) were used against guerilla movements in Mozambique and Guinea Bissau.
Paulo Rocha ... Thanks Paulo for this information. I’m constructing a model of the plane and wanted to build a ‘FAP version’ i.e. a version that was deployed in combat.
O FIAT tinha 2x 30mm DEFA.
One of my favorite planes of all time finally getting some recognition
The G.91s built in license by Dornier actually were the first fighter aircraft built in Germany after WWII.
About the Guns: What you got here is an R/4 version with 4x12.7. The germans also used the R/3 with 2x30mm. Afaik they should have one of those as well in the museum.
I have been waiting for these new videos like this one from what I have seen on Patreon. And so far so good as expected.
Simply top quality work as always Bismarck, putting other channels to shame with your dedication and attention to detail.
And it is not a German aircraft without that gun ammo counter.😁
The G91, an underrated and overlooked aircraft. But an important one, and one I hate facing in my more sluggish maneuvering Mig's in War Thunder. Damn their better cannons, roll rates and high speed control!!!!
The G-91 has a cute nose and intake that say, "Hi, Im the G-91. Please be nice to me. My parents died in the war." or "wanna play in the blue yonder?!"
It looks like this :D
The guns were not modular, that was the reason the R/4 were transferred to Portugal, it made it logistically impractical to use them in any operational capacity alongside the R/3.
The first plane you're showing is one the Greek/Turk R/4 that were taken into Luftwaffe service for training and as instructional airframe, only 40 out of 50 were transferred to Portugal, the remaining 10 were kept, mostly to train mechanics. The one on display is one of these.
Ethan Campbell ... very welcome information. Thanks!
Great man! It’s nice see you evolve into a very solid aviation history channel! Keep up the good work!
When I first discovered this jet, I was surprised that I had never heard of it...
It seems a bit underrated. I think it still is a largely unknown plane.
Thanks for bringing it up for us!
It won as the best CAS for Nato competition but wasn't used due too It wasn't NOR english NOR french NOR American
Still one of the best looking cold war jets
I had always written off the G91 as F-86 knockoff, but it was clearly a much lighter aircraft and built for operating from shorter runways (hence the squatting stance to increase angle of attack at TO)
BTW , LOVE the energy @14:05 when going through the performance and technical specs......go Bismarck!
The G91 could, and did, operate fromm grass runways, like a WWII fighter.
I like the way they used visual clues on the instruments, the yellow stripes for anything you might need in an emergency, a plane silhouette for the position of the individual landing gear indicators and so on. Great video!
You totally missed to mention the ONLY country who operated this aircraft in anger, in REAL combat.!!!
Portugal, in its wars in Africa.!!!
And they performed VERY WELL.!!!!
It was, small, effective aircraft, loved by its crew.!!!
Excellent content as always! You've also done a great job slowing down the tempo of your narration. You were speaking very quickly in some of your earlier videos of this type. Keep up the great work!
EXCELLENT video. Thanks very much. The G 91 accomplished its mission for of light support tactical attack aircraft. Cheap of the shelf items, rugged and ready to go. Greetings from Mexico City.
I discover now I've really underrated this plane, and I'm Italian
La Pan lo ha utilizzato prima del 339
Re the .50cal: The G.91 at Gatow is the R/4 variant, originally intended for the Greeks and the Turks as you mentioned. The R/4 had the four original four machine-gun configuration.
As far as I remember, the 30mm cannon were more of an afterthought, as the Germans thought the original armament to be unsatisfactory. That is why the 30mm barrels stick out quite a bit, which apparently added a fair amount of drag.
Excellent video on an obscure but fairly common aircraft. Loved the Sinn timepiece in the cockpit.
I never knew about the 91 until war thunder put them in their game. They are the staple of my simulator flight plays now. Such BEAUTIFUL airplanes. I wish the US had used them, i know we tested 3 of them. AFAIK germany used the R3 version with 2 30mm's in active service only. They probably had an R1 or two for testing or training
with Portugal they really saw extensive combat from Guiné, to Angola and Mozambique and you light it out that part?
Actually F.A.P. was the first air force were Gina was involved in combat!
I agree ... I must admit I clicked on this video to learn about its performance in operational deployments in the Portuguese Colonial wars of
@ first and only...
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The ONLY.!!!!
In my city there is a high school called "Arturo Malignani". In the various courses of study you can choose to do aeronautic and in the "hangar" they have there is a g.91. I don't know if it is the r/4 the ys or what model but it actually kinda neat seeing a high school have a cold war planes.
Sorry for my English
Mandi
Germans took up the G.91 R/4 from a canceled order, hence the .50 cals. The G.91 R/3 had the 2 30mm that the germans had originally ordered.
Dang Bis, you're getting really good at producing these with a professional documentary aesthetic.
Why thank you
A great introduction and cockpit view of this lovely aircraft.
Stunning looking plane. One of my favourites. 9.45...gotta love that Italian paint job. The german on at 12.30 is pretty good too.
In future videos can you please give a quick look at the seats top to bottom, not for long, just a scan so that seat restorers can see it better. There is so little information about specific version seats out there.
As a history-aficionado I'm happy that I found this channel. Thanks 👍🏼😊🇩🇰
Love the Gina!
Gatow is one of the best museums i've ever been to! A little tricky to get there with public transport but well worth the trip.
8:43 the Weaponry depends on the variant, the G.91 R/4 (the one being showcased, was equipped with 4 .50 caliber guns, they also had the R/3 variant that carried the 2 30mm DEFA 552 cannons
It does justice to the G.91. Totally loved it! ❤
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Great Video! It's cool seeing how your content has evolved and become progressively more professional, yet still approachable. Also, I like your mic setup, it's worth wearing a fuzzball to not have to strain to hear you over the wind.
Thanks Jake, very happy to hear that
Really well done. I enjoyed the smooth presenting style.
This is my favourite "modern"jet
You should look on Facebook for Fausto Bernardini and Flavio Babini, they both flew the G91 back in the 70s and 80s and absolutely loved it. They write awesome stories about their flights, something you don't hear and read everyday. They are in Italian but you can definitely translate them to German on English
Great video on a not often heard fighter. Another quality piece Bismarck. John St John.
The clock is made by Sinn that's pretty cool.
One of my favorite aircraft ! Thank you!
From what I've seen the G.91 is actually a very capable fighter in War Thunder, IDK how well their flight model represents reality but those things look hella agile. I really hope they give the ones one display a bit of love and care, it's such a pretty aircraft and it seems like such a shame to let it sit and corrode.
watch?v=ZWIrh725eUk take a look from 5:45 and judge yourself!
watch?v=eYkAOq5ZKaI or this video
The patch that dropped the 91 in WT I wanted them immediately without knowing anything about the plane. Just got them earlier this year (I was lazy lol) and they are already aced crew for air sim. It is so much fun bullying phantoms and migs with how nimble and small they are. As much as i hate gaijin sometimes, they introduced me to some amazing vehicles i never knew about.
Loved that museum! Discovered so many awesome vehicles over there! It's a must see!!! 🛩️🛩️🛩️
Excellent presentation and narration!!!!
Excellent documentary. Well done.
Beautiful aircraft and as always, excellent video.
Unified design 10 years after WW2 and 50 after WW1 would have been a crazy leap, honestly, within the hearts and minds of Europen core nations.
Very nice and informative videos
Really enjoyed this...thankyou.
A very good plane, one of the best of it's era!!!!! Congratuations for the video!!!! Good job!
The cockpit really looks quite intuitive!
Thumbs up for this great video! Would leave an extra like for that cute little drag chute lever if I could.
These videos are fantastic.
i love how Bismarck left gaming and went in to a history channel lol
What really sucked was the FIAT dealer didn't stock these. They wanted to sell you an 850 Spyder instead
Nice to see the RAAF Dakota(Berlin airlift) still on display during the opening overhead shot,maybe a video on it? Interesting video anyway, the G91-simple,reliable,easy to fly. Enough said.
Very very good video, in aircraft recognition lectures I always called Gina Sharkey nose, loved the plane!
Grande aereo che ho avuto l'onore e il piacere di pilotare ❤
A g91 is near my home in Italy. It was of a "frecce tricolori" jet pilot.This jet pilot take his jet in his home in front of my home! I like it, is fiat!
Glie lo hanno lasciato portare a casa?
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Very cool to see a vid on one of my favorite planes, and not a particularly well known one
love you for that video, Its my favorite jet. I ve spend so many hours in sim games in this cockpit, and I feel in it like in old leather jacket. I wish, I would own one, and fly it sometime in the future
Nice presentation however you did not mention the important fact that the "Gina" saw operational combat, quite successfully one might add, in the Portuguese colonies in Africa especially in Guinea-Bissau from 1966 until 1974. Of the 40 aircraft engaged, three were shot down by SAM-7 "Grail" ground to air missiles with one pilot lost.
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Excellent presentation! Well researched and full of history! One of your best (and far better then He 111 walk around). One thing I noticed you did not mention, why are all the instruments in English? While I suspect it was for NATO requirement, I doubt the RAF or USAF would be caught dead using a foreign jet. I also spied next to the G.91 a HFB 320 Hansa Jet. You MUST do a video of the Hansa jet! Super cool looking jet!
Keep up the good work!
1:00 love that big yellow gauge
G91 in war thunder is absolutely beast . It dogfights everything
14:04 *slaps fuselage* this bad boy packs so much ordinance and is so compact!
Wow...your good!...thanks.
Your English is EXCELLENT!
I love the "Gina"!
I saw this aircraft in Telspin cartoons.
beautiful aircraft
I literally thought until not-too-long ago this thing was an Italian F86 Sabre
Sad to see these historic aircraft slowly wasting away in the open.
These need to be restored and displayed indoors.
Fantastic to see a war weapon slowly eroding, unused, unneeded, as cool as that airplane is it's even better rusting away
This well thought out jet follows the British "cheap and cheerful" philosophy. The trailing link landing gear is ahead of its time and this style is now quite common on aircraft, esp carrier launched ones. Is the wind indicator used for bombing? Thanks.
"4 50 calls with 600 ammo each"
Wasn't it like 300 per gun?
It *still* looks like a *Basking Shark*
But
It was a great plane - As a kid (for reasons I can no longer recall ~ maybe aesthetic cos it just looks so potent) I was a huge fan. Had a flight of Airfix models of G91s
8:45 nono you are right, since the Germans were smart they swapped the 50 cals with the cannons.
we did it only with the Y version.
does anybody have info on the prototype that was designed in Germany about 1967 which was fitted with a J79 engine ?