...that's because being right wing isn't about smaller government, it's about subservience to hierarchy. What makes Ben Shapiro mad is when he has to use the same health care plan as poor people, or when gay people can get married.
The difference is that military spending is discretionary - you can dial it up or down - whereas social programs go only one way: Up. Once people receive a benefit, they perceive it as a right and politically it can't be taken away (think farmer's subsidies or food stamps). So each new program adds economic costs that can never go away. Economists call it the "ratchet effect".
@@joet6825 Although it is true that rolling back social programs is difficult; that does not mean it is impossible, especially considering the fact that they get rolled back quite often. It's also important to know that the reason why social program cost always goes up is due to many different factors, such as inflation, stagnant wages, and overall wealth inequality. If you want to reduce welfare spending, you remove the systems that led to the need for them in the first place. Step one would be implemented a minimum wage that is tied to inflation, and step two would be to give workers democratic control over the means or production to prevent outsourcing and workplace exploitation.
He agrees with Ben on quite a few subjects so its understandable that he wouldnt want Ben to belive that he is just attacking the Brand of Ben Shapiro rather than focusing on the actual ideas being promoted.
D.C. Libertarianism, in practice, is corporatism. D.C. Republicanism, in practice, is corporatism. D.C. Democraticism, in practice, is corporatism. D.C. - in practice, is the District of Corporatism.
It is possible to be a libertarian and also believe there should be regulation from corporate extortion of workers. Where do you people gain such perverse views on what being a libertarian is.
Love this show but feel like this clip shows the worst sides of both of them. (Really saagar as it’s his segment) They are beyond wrong here when it comes to the new deal. It’s not one study that shows the flaws. Thomas Sowell, someone I respect unlike Shapiro, has gone in great length discussing the colossal failure that was the new deal. Secondly, saagar is completely ignoring the huge economic damage that our response has done. World wide we are facing a food shortage and economic depression that undeniably has led to more problems than this virus could ever cause.. plus as malnutrition skyrockets, which news flash it is at a giant rate, the virus becomes more lethal as you have increased the population of vulnerable people. This virus was never strong enough to merit a shut down. that doesn’t mean you ignore it and do nothing. You implement logical policies that protect the elderly and those who have conditions that put them at risk. I’m beyond confused on saagars point here as it seems to show a huge flaw/inconsistency in his political ideology. Lastly on Krystal she bashes libertarians which is fine. That ideology is flawed. However, everything she lists on why it’s radical is a complete objective failure and something that libertarians have a huge argument on. It’s like she doesn’t even hear what she listed.
@@emhu2594 He has a portion of reporting which is actually really good and calls out corruption. He's hardly priority, there's so many more worse than him that don't even have a portion of good reporting. Don't want to listen to someone? Don't click on their show.
Ben Shapiro is the Conservative example of being educated does not mean your smart. Which is nice because we see it so often for Liberals, it's about time we had some equality.
He's intentionally dumb. All his education led him to manipulate naive people for a living. If that's where it leads people so often, there's a problem w/ them and the system.
Specialist in Failure well the fact is Charlie Kirk is basically un-debatable. You would get mor nuance and variety of points from a Barney record on repeat.
@@XxThunderflamexX LOLWAT? That's total projection. Liberals either use Ad hominem or try to get you silenced. They will never debate anything, because facts are never on their side.
@@toddgaak422 Oh right, yeah, conservatives always take the side of science. That's why they're so eager to reverse climate change. Being serious, what you're complaining about is leftists - I am not a liberal - not following the free marketplace of ideas. They free marketplace of ideas is a bastardization of the idea of free speech that doesn't respect the burden of proof or the paradox of tolerance. You're not mad at us for not being free thinkers, you're mad at us because we get mad at smarmy weasels, because you either are a smarmy weasel or you've been suckered by them. Probably both.
@@sleepless1587 Except... "Communism" isn't being discussed here, it's irrelevant to the subject of this video. Oh, BTW, just to clarify, Tankie ( Stalin, Mao etc ) is not Communism, it's totalitarianism. Communism is decentralized, local, small cooperatives owned by the workers voting democratically on issues/ideas. What you're saying is totalitarianism is bad, it is, any kind of totalitarianism is.
@@sleepless1587 Equating individual freedom and collective freedom is setting a dangerous precedent. Violation of individual freedom in the hopes of attaining some sort of collective benefit is tyrannical in nature. Individual freedom is obviously more important. This is Keynesian bullshit that you pulled out of your ass trying to come off as super philosophical and it just looks pretentious and inauthentic.
"Look back at what worked, and then do that, look at what didn't and don't" There was a time in America where this is what the word "conservative" meant...
Well I guess they still are doing that, it's just that the objectives (and thus the criteria for what counts as having "worked) changed. The depression after the 2008 crash ultimately worked out pretty great for their donors after all. The New Deal? That was for the people, not for the rich. So as far as neocons are concerned, it was a disaster. And Shapiro is a great example of how they rationalise this point of view
In the 1960s conservatives were defined as "people jumping in front of a train called history yelling "Stop!"" They were the ones against civil rights at that time.
@Haman Ezzati or maybe he's not as bad a person as people like to paint him as? I'm not saying he's got the best ideas, but maybe he's just not that bad.
Love Shapiro. Love Saagar. I love it even more that they disagree on many fundamental issues. Great way for me to learn and process both sides of issues from two people I trust. Wish more people were like that, instead of all the anti-Shapiro shills on this comment thread.
“DC Libertarianism, in practice, is corporatism” Spot on, Saagar. People are giving him a hard time for his piece but his approach should be everyone’s approach to challenge formidable opinions and views. You have to be able to see why the opposing view exists, understand it, and then challenge it on merits. Two people can disagree and both whole heartedly believe they are right ideologically. We have to know this as truth and approach it first with that understanding, then meaningful conversation can be had.
Anyone with eyes and ears knows that the federal government's "privatizing gains and socializing losses" is not libertarian. Why call it that then? Making profit does not equal libertarianism. Making profit and or losing profit does. But the massive federal government grabs hold of enterprise and socializes loss through bailouts, debt, printing money (theft of dollar value), and taxation. It's a farce to suggest this is in anyway libertarian. So why does Saagar lust over this scapegoat? If you describe the ststus quo as pure concentrated freedom and free enterprise, then you can describe your solutions as tempered. But the status quo is so socialist and big government, not libertarian! Logically, Saagar is only going to make the behemoth even bigger!
He brings up valid points, 100%. But DC Libertarianism is an island. There are billionaires driving every party platform. Why does JPM, GS and Chase support candidates on both sides every campaign cycle? They’re hedging their own bets because it’s win-win for them. Back to the point, there’s a lot of libertarians that want free market and believe that abusive monopolies really can’t form UNLESS a large government intervenes in corporate America. Example, if government doesn’t have the Fed bailout big banks, then the big monopoly banks don’t survive. If government doesn’t invest in Google infrastructure for data mining access, down the road, then google doesn’t get nearly as big. I’m not saying this is the view of DC Libertarians, but I think there needs to be delineation of populist libertarianism, and well-formed libertarianism. Because there’s a difference. I’ll give you that the DC one may be the one that comes to the top. Let’s just not forget that billionaires and monopolies have gotten their way under Republican and Democrat administration and lawmaking.
@@LagmasterB The idea is that when Libertarianism became a populist sector of the Republican party between 2010 - 2012 (Ron Paul does not get enough credit for this movement), many standard Party Republicans were libertarian ideologues only when it came to lowering taxes for corporations. They still voted to increase military spending and raised the debt ceiling.
when Roosevelt was asked about his new deal programs and if they would work he said we don't know and if they don't we'll try something else but we're not going to do nothing and hope for the best...
Shapiro is NOT a 'nice guy.' Exhibiting societal norms of decorum does not mean that a person is nice. Some of the worst human beings I've every met were 'nice.'
@@yiyithewuster Of course not. What you should ask is how is he not nice since I gave no examples. If I stated a point of view that he had that was different than mine, then you could ask a question like that.
@@yiyithewuster Its a relative thing, most people wouldn't say Hitler was "nice" even though it really is a policy disagreement. Ben Shapiro advocates for positions that would result in thousands of people dying so yeah I don't think he is "nice". Also he doesn't even appear to be nice in the conversational sense.
@@keithb6717 guys I'll start the list. Feel free to add after my example ******** 1. He said Palestinians live in raw sewage and deserve to be bombed into oblivion
@@keithb6717 He argued for killing 150 Iranians in response to an unmanned drone getting shot down. That coming from the biggest pro-life advocate proves he's a FRAUD.
I kinda feel that the only way he could cherry pick is because he knows a lot more than that. And not many people try hard enough to argue those picked cherries rationally.
Rangefinder sounds like the left. And the main stream media. They cherry pick to support their narrative with the mindset that nobody will question it.
@@alice5515 I enjoy the dynamic they've achieved with Rising... Shows that the giant dividing line that many powerful people like to draw straight down the middle of America is completely artificial, we share many of the same problems and we should not be playing teams with our government when our elected officials are here to screw everyone, not just Republicans or democrats...
@Jacquelynn Booth apologies, just easier than writing "people that don't want M4ALL, Appose Green New Deal, Remove Student loan debt, Propagators of Voodoo economics / trickle down economics, Proponents of Corporate Socialism but not Socialism for people" etc, etc, jus sayin
Probably because he's on the left. Economically at least it is ridiculous for this guy to claim he's right wing. "I'm right wing, I support a massive government role in the economy including tens of millions of government jobs but I'm right wing" is like saying "I'm virgin, so what if I have sex? Doesn't mean I don't have a right to call myself a virgin."
Joe Rogan: Trichinosis was probably the cause of the de-consumption of pork in ancient times, a lot of scholars in Jerusalem believe this to be the case. Ben Shapiro: I don't attribute naturalistic circumstances to my beliefs. Joe Rogan: so what about the parting of the Red Sea? Ben Shapiro: strong wind. Alright then, Ben.
I mean, I freaking hate Ben, but there are/were shallow areas of the red sea that can get maybe knee deep or shallower during times of certain strong winds.
@@USA-qm2bk There are thousands of people protesting against the lockdown. They are clearly smarter than all the doctors who went to university and got their degree telling us to stay at home.
Everyone that talks about AOC has there colors come out. AOC is a complete moron who interviewed for a position. A slug with a hat could have won the position she has (as long as it was willing to say it was a democrat). All this hype over AOC is so annoying. You realize AOC caved as soon as the DMC told her to either Toe the LIne or you are never going to win another election. LOL. Why do you think she is supporting Joe Biden?
And I wouldn’t say he’s a nice guy because idk him. But based on his shows and his debates he’s very straight faced and likes to have debated to showcase his point of view. And he is critical of both sides so you can’t say he’s biased to an extent
William Hagler he’s Jewish what do you expect? That’s like when you criticize a democrat and they call you a racist xenophobic homophobe What criticisms has Ben construed as antisemetism? Give me some examples
Even when I don't agree with you, I totally appreciate the honesty and sincerity of your positions and the open mindedness of your show. I never would have thought that my biggest source of news would be Rising and Jimmy Dore... so crazy for this libertarian leaning conservative that supports Trump.
What Saagar says at 3:40 is so important. Shapiro is a corporate tool that is put in place to preserve existing power structures because they are working out for him and his cadres.
@@MrJamberee I disagree. I think Ben is too full of bullshit. He thinks he's an unemotional logical person but he's not at all, and he makes fallacies constantly and doesn't realize it. Also he wears big poopy diapers, not undies. He is not a conservative pundit worth respect or time, he's embarrassing
@@MrJamberee lol ben shapiro got famous for debating stupid ignorant college kids and people think he is an intellectual lmao ben shapiro fans are the biggest sheeps it's sad to see.
@@masterace1071 do you actually watch his UA-cam vids these days tho.... he's better then most....Since you apparently know who is so smart and who isn't..give me a name or two that makes Shapiro look like a dummy....
Nobuo Femdy the tweet was not the proposal it was only in support of the proposal which is not all public policy is bad. That tweet was not where the idea stemmed from.
@@waynehasch5978 the status quo being perpetual war, mass immigration and tens of thousands of your countrymen killing themselves and dying of disease of despair like drug overdoses? That status quo?
This is one reason why I love your show. You don't hesitate to take on people on your own side of the aisle, including people you personally like. Objectivity, and a willingness to examine one's own beliefs, should be prerequisite to the press -- but it's not. You two are four-leaved clovers, and I immensely admire that.
She probably heard about him and had no interest in learning about him. I'd say she was being honest, if perhaps a bit deferential, but not as much as Saagar.
As a libertarian, the one thing I can agree with you is fundamentally we hate government intervention over almost anything and we have a very different view over what the govt should do. That said your whole "Lets just remove that part" and try the policy again doesn't work or make any sense. Do you think we base our beliefs on one cherry-picked example? We base our beliefs on a large body of evidence that most of the time, the govt only does harm and rarely does any good when it intervenes in the economy. Take Obamacare, a well-meaning policy and I wouldn't blame the policy creators that they couldn't predict the "death spiral". But the end result is what it is. In the words of one of the major thought leaders and Nobel prize-winning economist FA Hayek in his book "The fatal conceit: the errors of socialism", I quote "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design. To the naive mind that can conceive of order only as the product of deliberate arrangement, it may seem absurd that in complex conditions order, and adaptation to the unknown, can be achieved more effectively by decentralizing decisions and that a division of authority will actually extend the possibility of overall order. Yet that decentralization actually leads to more information being taken into account."
I caught onto Shapiro's cherry picking of ideas and fast talking to help him keep up the facade that he is some type of intellectual years ago. I think most objective folks who were following him are starting to catch on too.
I pretty much agree...If your going to listen to anyone's viewpoint on The Daily Wire, Andrew Klavan is the only one remotely honest/objective. Knowles and Walsh are basically a meme of the right at this point.
Crystal hasn't heard much about shapiro's nonesense? That explains why she's so upbeat and positive all the time. Shapiro's bullcrap makes one sorry they are of the same species as him...
When it comes to the truth about the Great Depression, I'm listening to Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Ayn Rand, Hayak, Mises, et al, not these clowns who have not economic education.
To reference a Ricky Bobby line from Talladega Nights and rephrase Saagar's statement... Mr. Shapiro, with all due respect, and remember I'm sayin' with all due respect, your opinion ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on.
I think usually people use it more as the ironic insult of guys who feign being nice than the legitimate compliment. But Saagar is on the Right so he my actually see Ben as nice just kinda dumb sometimes.
It is good to be mindful of your own confirmation bias. If you're just cherry-picking data that supports one side of an argument, you're not really seeing the whole picture.
Ever notice how people advocating libertarian economic policies are often *already wealthy*? Not really inclined to listen to people who *don’t need* government assistance on the existence of government programmes. Also not inclined to listen to people who want the government out of the way because it gets in the way of profits on what the role of government should be. In other words, with personal respect to libertarian individuals, I fundamentally disagree with these views. They strike me as self-serving, naïve and out of touch with reality. To clarify, socially I think libertarian views a lot going for them: legalising drugs, reproductive choice and so on. Even on military intervention libertarians have some great ideas. But on economics I fundamentally disagree. Great radar, Saagar, and fantastic discussion afterwards
@@gourdlord2112 I know which interview you're referencing, but don't you think at these polarizing times, disagreeing points of views need to sit down and talk it out? if Ben's points of view are inferior to Saagar's or Krystal's, then let it be shown through conversation. Instead, you're making negative assumptions about someone which is something this country does not need right now
Kevin Lee if Shapiro had anything of worth to say he would have said it by now. He is an establishment mouthpiece and I don’t expect him to maintain any form of consistency with his argument. Fair enough on the unity point but I guarantee all Shapiro would do is rail on the very small amount of people who are rioting instead of peacefully protesting. He’s a grifter plain and simple
@@gourdlord2112 now that we got the name calling out of the way, i think we can have a mature conversation. Ben has said in his previous podcast that he does not support rioters and looters but he does support the protesters' right to protest. again, if you truly believe that Ben will get destroyed or owned by Krystal and Saagar in a conversation, then why would you not support this conversation from happening? let it be on the internet that Ben got destroyed by Krysal and Saagar. I'm pretty sure the left would love to see that happen.
@@tobyfunk6858 Google it and also it's worth looking into how that disgusting country sold mirage fighter jets to Argentina during the Falklands war to be used against British forces. But hey according to every cuckservative with a platform "Israel is our greatest ally".
Germany spent money on a military in the 1930's and 40's and they wound up losing a war! Obviously governments should not spend money on a military -Ben Shapiro Logic
Oh my goodness, it’s so nice to hear someone else point out that big corporations are just as capable of taking your freedom away from you as any overreaching government.
0:48 "its exactly whats called for in this government caused economic crisis." Buddy, you just said the government caused an economic collapse, so we should give them more power, not less, no logic detected. You also say that ideology permeates the minds of those in the republican party, when you cant even see that the very force you are begging to save you is the force that made you start drowning in the first place, government overreach. Bailouts led to the 2008 crash, it is a stupid idea to give money to a company that didnt even know what to do with its own money.
Exactly. They are basing their take on the false narrative that people are going to die if we reopen too quickly. The government was right to err on the side of caution but now their refusal to relinquish power is the source of our issues, not the coronavirus.
But how is using the government for its actual job (or what is supposed to be its job based on the founders) illogical, and how is big corporations lobbying for less oversight the government? We’re talking “government is stupid” vs “government is corrupt” arent we? 2008 Crisis is an example of what a terrible idea it is to have big money in government, and the IRS or Post Office or *insert sacrificial governmental agency lamb here* is an example of how the government can be stupid, but it’s not the same, is it? The government is supposed to be there when the states can’t handle something and I’d assume that a pandemic is something states cannot handle individually entirely without the federal government, or am I wrong? If I am can the flaws to my argument be pointed out?
@@franktavarez6765 Oh my god i almost spit out my water. Buddy, the founding fathers were almost all libertarian. Any market interference from the government makes them literally roll in their grave. This country was partially founded on natural law, meaning the government is here to protect our rights, not offer us them. The government wasnt involved in any economic recoveries for over one hundred and thirty years into this countries founding, and when the government finally intervened, it lengthened the depression by eight years. This country was primarily founded on freedom, what does that mean for coronavirus? That means if you dont feel safe, feel free to stay home, thats your own risk assessment, which is all freedom is to begin with, but i gotta work, and no flu outbreak should be used by the government to tell me otherwise.
@@johnmc3 I agree that DC libertarianism is probably corporativism to some extend. But they conveniently mentioned this type of 'libertarianism' and then in other videos extrapolate to all classical liberals/libertarians. Very disingenuous. Liberalism (the traditional one, not the socialistic) has worked IN SO MANY PLACES in which its principles has been partially applied.
Saagar on economics. Yeah, I’d take his incomprehension over Shapiro. Criticizing Ben for cherry picking facts while offering no facts, only opinions and conjecture. Every argument Saagar offers is nothing more than populism. Libertarians don’t care if you criticize them Saagar because you don’t understand economics. All sound and fury.
I’m a big Shapiro fan. Got red pilled because of him mostly lol. Though, I can appreciate this point of view to be honest...always good to see an alternative point of view.
There's a contingent of people on here that have the very same philosophy as those from Ben Shapiro and Mitch McConnell's world view. And I'm not saying its a small group either... to be quite frank, that group has the largest in terms of influence vs Saagar Engjeti's philosophy and mindset.
You guys do know Twitter has a limit on characters in a tweet right?...you CANT outline details of a political position on twitter so I think it’s a bit disingenuous to criticize someone for it.
This country forces you into debt one way or another. You can barley maintain, or come even come close to advancing your position without debt. The government knows this as enforcable debts are simply the main method to keep us playing the game. Since everyone starts in diffrent positions with diffrent amounts of currency and support, saving is not always a viable method. That's not to say it shouldn't be pursued when able, but seeing that as the only solution demonstates that you place fault on people who find themselves in need only on the decions of those individuals. I'm glad you have been able to maintain your position on life based on your circumstances with presumably minimal outside assistance, but presuming it is simply that lack of will or desire to prepare for worser case scenarios by these individuals is an ignorant point of view at the very best.
You're right. That 15 dollar muffin is definitely more important than 45,000 people dying every year due to a lack of basic healthcare. Or that workers' wages have only risen by 3% in real terms since the 1970s. Or that the number of listed companies in the USA has halved since 1997 due to deregulation, megamergers, and monopolies. Or that even by pre coronavirus projections, by 2070, there will only be 1 company per industry, so that the almost complete entirety of the wealth we generate will be gouged from local communities and transported to London, New York, Geneva, etc (definitely not Wheeling WV) But I agree I'm totally fine with all that so long there are fewer 15 dollar government muffins to pay for.
@@outragedamerican1149 are you implying that people are only 3% better off now than 50 years ago? If that's the case there is no point in trying to have an adult conversation. Government is naturally slow moving and inefficient. In some cases its deemed a nessary cost. Consider that the department of education didn't exist until 1979 and the states standing In The world has declined nearly every year since its inception despite a budget of nearly 70 billion. Or the cost of doing business in a heavy regulation state like California vs Texas etc
Not in healthcare, there are many government agencies who do a decent job. Certainly better than any for profit as soon as it is about a natural monopoly or goes in that direction (housing, sewage systems, mining, even electricity, firefighters, schools, ....) healrhcare is very tangible for citizens, when they need it big time (or a family member) they pay attention. If all are in the same system that created enormous politicla leverage for the insured / patients. after WW2 all nations applied single payer principles (with very few exceptions), but they grandfathered in existing solutions and they did their own thing. Fast forward 70 years, many differences - but on average a rich country will pull if off with USD 5,400 for every person in the country, take or leave 500 USD. The surcharge in the U.S. for having dominant profiteers USD 5,000 almost. (USD 10,260 per person in 2017 - instead of approx. 5,400). And corporations see to it that they have a cherrypicked pool, because the most costly group over 65 is covered by a single payer style public non-profit insurance agency = Medicare. It was introduced in the 1960s and the idea was to expand it, but that never happened. Money in politics happened. Nixon happened, until 1973 it was against the law to make a profit of healthcare. So there were many private non-profit insurers, hospitals. That adds inefficiency, but they did not have a toxic culture. All these nations endup spending 49 - 56 % of what the U.S. is spending per person ("per person" in the U.S. includes uninsured, bankrupt because of medical bills, getting too little care to late because of lack of insurance coverage etc., it means ALL spending: by government, companies, citizens). As for differences how the single payer nations started out and developed over 70 years: some governments did favors to corporations and allow private insurers more role than is ideal, think Germany where 10 % are fully "privately" insured (the opt out is allowed ONLY for the affluent / privileged - they do it only if young / healthy) Or Australia where the affluent are kicked out of the public pool. There is a tug of war between Labour strengthening the public non-profit pool - and the "conservatives" that are hellbent to CREATE a niche for the for-profits. By government intervention (because the wealthy would stay in the public pool without the hefty fines. And less fines would be sufficient if funneled into the public system, that tends to have very lean budgets, they are just about managing. Australia has 49 % of the U.S. spending per person Also Netherlands where they did a neoliberal reform. Patients / insured liked the old system better btw). the needs of the citiizens (and is costly even if delivered in efficient manner, first world medicine does cost money) - so there is enough oversight. It is Corporations who captured the political and election process to a degree that the voters cannot stand up and straighten that out. I would be for well publicly funded TV, no ads. wages are published, if you work there you agree to that. Staff AND a board of citizens / society representatives have the vote (and the representatives rotate, that duy is paid but they do not have that gig forever). It is much harder to bribe people when it is a body of representatives that changes constantly. (people could apply for that duty and then there is a lottery). Publicly funded TV has been captured by the political establishment (of course back in the day it was THE most important way to influence the way of voters). That said: they are still way better than what the 6 dominant networks (owned by rich people) are doing in the U.S. millionaires doing propaganda for billionaires.
Krystal, me not trusting my government at all is radical? You guys continually point out every day how they constantly fail us day in and day out on any number of issues. Yet here you are advocating that government should be intervening and that me wanting the maximum amount of privacy is radical? You guys sound like the establishment you're trying to take a shit on. Krystal Pelosi and Mitch Saagar. Bad take here guys.
I used to agree with Ben on a lot of his ideas but I quit watching him when he tried to justify all these foreign wars and giving billions of dollars to countries like Israel .
For me it was when he said it’s “selfish to not have children”. Be financially responsible but because you’re not having kids, YOURE selfish! Jesus Ben, how about look at why people aren’t?
I formerly considered myself a libertarian. Working in inner city EMS and finding/converting to Catholicism has drastically altered my views. I still have a "libertarian streak". It's exactly as they've described, a healthy skepticism of gov't. Now my views are weird and idk who to support lol. I want universal healthcare (not even "medicare for all", UNIVERSAL healthcare), but I'm not a socialist, I want more people to own property and businesses - as many people as possible. I'm a curious fan of UBI, but I don't like the idea of higher taxes on middle or lower class people. I'm more pro 2A than any Republican would dare to admit, I'm also very much against private prisons and I believe our justice system is broken. I think marriage and having multiple children should be supported and celebrated, I also think marijuana laws are entirely silly. I'm fiercely patriotic and want our military supported, but I'm against the unnecessary wars. I've been told I sound like a Distributist, idk tho. I don't think I can vote for either Trump or Biden. I despise them both. Any ideas, fellow commenters?
When the military budget skyrockets never hear about the debt or "how we gonna pay for it". Only applies to social programs.
Or giving tax cuts to the rich, don't forget about that.
...that's because being right wing isn't about smaller government, it's about subservience to hierarchy. What makes Ben Shapiro mad is when he has to use the same health care plan as poor people, or when gay people can get married.
The difference is that military spending is discretionary - you can dial it up or down - whereas social programs go only one way: Up. Once people receive a benefit, they perceive it as a right and politically it can't be taken away (think farmer's subsidies or food stamps). So each new program adds economic costs that can never go away. Economists call it the "ratchet effect".
If someone ever concern trolls and asks how we gonna pay for m4a and free college, just print more money baby.
@@joet6825 Although it is true that rolling back social programs is difficult; that does not mean it is impossible, especially considering the fact that they get rolled back quite often. It's also important to know that the reason why social program cost always goes up is due to many different factors, such as inflation, stagnant wages, and overall wealth inequality. If you want to reduce welfare spending, you remove the systems that led to the need for them in the first place. Step one would be implemented a minimum wage that is tied to inflation, and step two would be to give workers democratic control over the means or production to prevent outsourcing and workplace exploitation.
Ben "if the sealevels rise people can just sell their properties and move" Shapiro
*smashes wall*
Just one problem Ben!
@@sudevsen - It's ok Neptune will buy them all
Ben "having to work more than one job is a you problem" Shapiro
Ben "Fact: rap isn't music. And if you think it is, you're stupid." Shapiro
Darkwing Dork Hi! You make no sense, but ok. Goodbye!
Saagar seems a little worried he's going to trigger little Ben.
FanBois are rabid dogs. No matter who they are following.
Spot on
I usually like Saagar but that was really pathetic.
He agrees with Ben on quite a few subjects so its understandable that he wouldnt want Ben to belive that he is just attacking the Brand of Ben Shapiro rather than focusing on the actual ideas being promoted.
Ben is easely triggered and his fanbase even more. He does not want to smoke in that fireworks shack, sad but I don't blame him.
“D.C. libertarianism, in practice, is corporatism.” Well said!
Government tyranny: boooo!
Corporate tyranny: yaaay!
D.C. Libertarianism, in practice, is corporatism.
D.C. Republicanism, in practice, is corporatism.
D.C. Democraticism, in practice, is corporatism.
D.C. - in practice, is the District of Corporatism.
I'm not worried about fascism in this country, I'm worried about this country turning into Ancapistan.
The Federal Reserve is in its third incarnation. The USA has seldom been free from FED tyranny.
It is possible to be a libertarian and also believe there should be regulation from corporate extortion of workers. Where do you people gain such perverse views on what being a libertarian is.
The Hill is becoming the best politics cast on the internet. Most non-partisan reporting out there.
Love this show but feel like this clip shows the worst sides of both of them. (Really saagar as it’s his segment) They are beyond wrong here when it comes to the new deal. It’s not one study that shows the flaws. Thomas Sowell, someone I respect unlike Shapiro, has gone in great length discussing the colossal failure that was the new deal. Secondly, saagar is completely ignoring the huge economic damage that our response has done. World wide we are facing a food shortage and economic depression that undeniably has led to more problems than this virus could ever cause.. plus as malnutrition skyrockets, which news flash it is at a giant rate, the virus becomes more lethal as you have increased the population of vulnerable people. This virus was never strong enough to merit a shut down. that doesn’t mean you ignore it and do nothing. You implement logical policies that protect the elderly and those who have conditions that put them at risk. I’m beyond confused on saagars point here as it seems to show a huge flaw/inconsistency in his political ideology. Lastly on Krystal she bashes libertarians which is fine. That ideology is flawed. However, everything she lists on why it’s radical is a complete objective failure and something that libertarians have a huge argument on. It’s like she doesn’t even hear what she listed.
Sagar needs to replace tucker carlson on fox news. he is a fascist and i don't want to listen to that.
I agree, my friend, I agree! :)
@@emhu2594 He has a portion of reporting which is actually really good and calls out corruption. He's hardly priority, there's so many more worse than him that don't even have a portion of good reporting. Don't want to listen to someone? Don't click on their show.
Ben Shapiro is the Conservative example of being educated does not mean your smart. Which is nice because we see it so often for Liberals, it's about time we had some equality.
Well said.
He's intentionally dumb. All his education led him to manipulate naive people for a living. If that's where it leads people so often, there's a problem w/ them and the system.
And being smart doesn't mean being incapable of being intellectually disingenuous
*you’re... if you don’t see this irony you don’t know English grammar.
Aaron 👏❤️
Sagar: *smashes wall* JUST ONE PROBLEM BEN!
yes
SELL THEIR HOUSE TO WHO BEN?
**Aquaman has entered the chat**
What a beauty of a reference.
That was so effing funny when he smashed the wall. It was like random but fitting, ya know what I mean
Put Kyle against Shapiro on this show, be a great debate.
Kyle couldn't even debate Charlie kirk
Specialist in Failure well the fact is Charlie Kirk is basically un-debatable. You would get mor nuance and variety of points from a Barney record on repeat.
Specialist in Failure lol Kirk got the smack down from Sam Seder you think Kyle couldn’t do the same?
@@rock53355 That's disingenuous. Charlie Kirk spoke in a two hour run-on sentence.
It wasn't a debate, it was a monologue. The moderation was shit.
Specialist in Failure ...all I saw from Charlie Kirk was one loooooong pre-prepared talking point 😴
Ben “why can’t you be honest and say you’re a liberal” Shapiro when he’s challenged by a conservative
Of course. Ad hominem is the only trick conservatives have.
@@XxThunderflamexX you clearly don't understand that his wife's a doctor.
@@XxThunderflamexX LOLWAT? That's total projection. Liberals either use Ad hominem or try to get you silenced. They will never debate anything, because facts are never on their side.
@@toddgaak422 Oh right, yeah, conservatives always take the side of science. That's why they're so eager to reverse climate change.
Being serious, what you're complaining about is leftists - I am not a liberal - not following the free marketplace of ideas. They free marketplace of ideas is a bastardization of the idea of free speech that doesn't respect the burden of proof or the paradox of tolerance. You're not mad at us for not being free thinkers, you're mad at us because we get mad at smarmy weasels, because you either are a smarmy weasel or you've been suckered by them. Probably both.
Because this man is clearly not a constitutional conservative, he is a common good conservative, which is just liberalism with extra steps.
Libertarian: "Liberate me from government tyranny by giving me dystopian corporate rule!"
Perfect comment
@@sleepless1587 Except... "Communism" isn't being discussed here, it's irrelevant to the subject of this video. Oh, BTW, just to clarify, Tankie ( Stalin, Mao etc ) is not Communism, it's totalitarianism.
Communism is decentralized, local, small cooperatives owned by the workers voting democratically on issues/ideas.
What you're saying is totalitarianism is bad, it is, any kind of totalitarianism is.
Unsubstantiated and baseless comment, literally have heard this from every dumb AnComm and lefty moron I've debated.
@@sleepless1587 Equating individual freedom and collective freedom is setting a dangerous precedent. Violation of individual freedom in the hopes of attaining some sort of collective benefit is tyrannical in nature. Individual freedom is obviously more important. This is Keynesian bullshit that you pulled out of your ass trying to come off as super philosophical and it just looks pretentious and inauthentic.
This 100x
"Look back at what worked, and then do that, look at what didn't and don't"
There was a time in America where this is what the word "conservative" meant...
That definition wasn't working for them
Not enough money in that system.
How far the current republican party has fallen from that logic.
Well I guess they still are doing that, it's just that the objectives (and thus the criteria for what counts as having "worked) changed.
The depression after the 2008 crash ultimately worked out pretty great for their donors after all.
The New Deal?
That was for the people, not for the rich. So as far as neocons are concerned, it was a disaster.
And Shapiro is a great example of how they rationalise this point of view
This was literally never what the word conservative meant.
It's what the word pragmatic means. And it's what FDR did with the new deal
In the 1960s conservatives were defined as "people jumping in front of a train called history yelling "Stop!"" They were the ones against civil rights at that time.
"I have absolutely nothing against Ben Shapiro"
Can't relate
big same
Ya, I was like, "cmon Sagar, Ben's a genocidal maniac".
I like and agree with Shapiro on some things. I also like and agree with Sagaar and Krystal with some things.
It's possible dudes 😂
@@ThisIsEddieBear Find out where bens money is coming from and you will find out why he says what he says.
Ben Shapiro is a dazzler and a vile human being.
LOVE SAAGAR but when he says Shapiro is a nice guy it is like Bernie saying Biden is his friend......
Yes, we get it...you have to paint him as evil in order to easily demonize his ideas...meh
Which lets you know that they're ALL IN THIS TOGETHER!!!!
@@locthiese that's the dumbest take I've ever heard
Exactly!!
@Haman Ezzati or maybe he's not as bad a person as people like to paint him as? I'm not saying he's got the best ideas, but maybe he's just not that bad.
Love Shapiro. Love Saagar. I love it even more that they disagree on many fundamental issues. Great way for me to learn and process both sides of issues from two people I trust. Wish more people were like that, instead of all the anti-Shapiro shills on this comment thread.
Shapiro is a religious bigot which is the main reason I dislike him. That and his bogus reasons for disliking The Beatles.
shapiro is too driven by religion tho, so much so that it informs his politics
Same
When did Saagar talked with Shapiro? He mentions this in opening of his piece
“DC Libertarianism, in practice, is corporatism”
Spot on, Saagar. People are giving him a hard time for his piece but his approach should be everyone’s approach to challenge formidable opinions and views. You have to be able to see why the opposing view exists, understand it, and then challenge it on merits.
Two people can disagree and both whole heartedly believe they are right ideologically. We have to know this as truth and approach it first with that understanding, then meaningful conversation can be had.
Anyone with eyes and ears knows that the federal government's "privatizing gains and socializing losses" is not libertarian. Why call it that then? Making profit does not equal libertarianism. Making profit and or losing profit does. But the massive federal government grabs hold of enterprise and socializes loss through bailouts, debt, printing money (theft of dollar value), and taxation. It's a farce to suggest this is in anyway libertarian. So why does Saagar lust over this scapegoat? If you describe the ststus quo as pure concentrated freedom and free enterprise, then you can describe your solutions as tempered. But the status quo is so socialist and big government, not libertarian! Logically, Saagar is only going to make the behemoth even bigger!
He brings up valid points, 100%. But DC Libertarianism is an island. There are billionaires driving every party platform. Why does JPM, GS and Chase support candidates on both sides every campaign cycle? They’re hedging their own bets because it’s win-win for them.
Back to the point, there’s a lot of libertarians that want free market and believe that abusive monopolies really can’t form UNLESS a large government intervenes in corporate America.
Example, if government doesn’t have the Fed bailout big banks, then the big monopoly banks don’t survive. If government doesn’t invest in Google infrastructure for data mining access, down the road, then google doesn’t get nearly as big.
I’m not saying this is the view of DC Libertarians, but I think there needs to be delineation of populist libertarianism, and well-formed libertarianism. Because there’s a difference. I’ll give you that the DC one may be the one that comes to the top. Let’s just not forget that billionaires and monopolies have gotten their way under Republican and Democrat administration and lawmaking.
@@LagmasterB The idea is that when Libertarianism became a populist sector of the Republican party between 2010 - 2012 (Ron Paul does not get enough credit for this movement), many standard Party Republicans were libertarian ideologues only when it came to lowering taxes for corporations.
They still voted to increase military spending and raised the debt ceiling.
when Roosevelt was asked about his new deal programs and if they would work he said we don't know and if they don't we'll try something else but we're not going to do nothing and hope for the best...
And it did work. Until people like Bush and Clinton destroyed it for the bankers. Good times.
GOP and corporate Dems:. "Ask not what not what your country can do for you, because corporations funded us to do nothing for you"
Toby Funk Can’t forget about Regan.
Too bad the new deal was an utter disaster that continues to hurt us nearly a century later.
@@dopestep6841 He reverse one of FDR's greatest law. Reagan allowed stock buybacks, and guess What? The 2008 bailouts where wasted in stock buybacks.
Shapiro should not be taken seriously by anyone ever
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Cody’s Showdy TM CR!
@@The_Gnome_Chomskee what a BOARing showdy
Thank you. Why does anyone care what that petulant child has to say?
Depends on the topic. I think he's the worst on healthcare and foreign policy, but the best on law.
Shapiro is NOT a 'nice guy.' Exhibiting societal norms of decorum does not mean that a person is nice. Some of the worst human beings I've every met were 'nice.'
What so people can only be nice if they agree with what you believe in?
Totally. Well said.
That is an absolute gem of a point.
@@yiyithewuster Of course not. What you should ask is how is he not nice since I gave no examples. If I stated a point of view that he had that was different than mine, then you could ask a question like that.
@@yiyithewuster Its a relative thing, most people wouldn't say Hitler was "nice" even though it really is a policy disagreement. Ben Shapiro advocates for positions that would result in thousands of people dying so yeah I don't think he is "nice". Also he doesn't even appear to be nice in the conversational sense.
Excellent commentary and criticism of many in the Republican party.
"My wife is a doctor..."
--Ben Shapiro.
his wife is a public slave....
I mean obviously I'm not gonna ignore the years worth of video evidence proving Ben Shapiro is not a nice guy. He's morally foul actually.
Provide one example?
@@keithb6717 guys I'll start the list. Feel free to add after my example
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1. He said Palestinians live in raw sewage and deserve to be bombed into oblivion
Keith B
building his entire persona as a (pseudo) intellectual by debating college freshmen was a dick move
@@keithb6717 He argued for killing 150 Iranians in response to an unmanned drone getting shot down. That coming from the biggest pro-life advocate proves he's a FRAUD.
U must not understand what morals are. Have fun at your "pride" parade
Shapiro always cherry picks facts. That's how he makes his money. How is this new news?
Just like fake news outlets cherry pick sound bites out of context to make people look bad. Both sides, mind you. But that’s how media works
I kinda feel that the only way he could cherry pick is because he knows a lot more than that. And not many people try hard enough to argue those picked cherries rationally.
Rangefinder sounds like the left. And the main stream media. They cherry pick to support their narrative with the mindset that nobody will question it.
Every person cherry picks. If someone says ‘how is the weather’ you say the reply from your vantage point
Because its a new tweet and an ongoing problem with indoctrinating new conservatives.
Don’t care for the “right” at all but I do like Saagar, jus sayin
D3mist0cles Gee Sometimes I forget he’s a Republican. Not because he’s nice, but he and Krystal seem to agree most of the time
@@alice5515 I enjoy the dynamic they've achieved with Rising... Shows that the giant dividing line that many powerful people like to draw straight down the middle of America is completely artificial, we share many of the same problems and we should not be playing teams with our government when our elected officials are here to screw everyone, not just Republicans or democrats...
@Jacquelynn Booth apologies, just easier than writing "people that don't want M4ALL, Appose Green New Deal, Remove Student loan debt, Propagators of Voodoo economics / trickle down economics, Proponents of Corporate Socialism but not Socialism for people" etc, etc, jus sayin
Probably because he's on the left. Economically at least it is ridiculous for this guy to claim he's right wing. "I'm right wing, I support a massive government role in the economy including tens of millions of government jobs but I'm right wing" is like saying "I'm virgin, so what if I have sex? Doesn't mean I don't have a right to call myself a virgin."
@@muresandani he's right wing because he doesn't like gay marriage, transgender rights, abortion rights, or immigration.
Saagar is on point
Ben "the sound of my voice could make the wettest woman dry" Shapiro
That's how they damn ed the Nile
and yet he has kids
@@orbitalsummer and I bet he doesn't. Eagles fans seldom reproduce with non-family members
LOL! So true!
@@orbitalsummer It's amazing what a contract can do.
Joe Rogan: Trichinosis was probably the cause of the de-consumption of pork in ancient times, a lot of scholars in Jerusalem believe this to be the case.
Ben Shapiro: I don't attribute naturalistic circumstances to my beliefs.
Joe Rogan: so what about the parting of the Red Sea?
Ben Shapiro: strong wind.
Alright then, Ben.
😂🤣😂🤣
get it right waaaaa wa wa waaaaa
You're so dumb is says IN THE BIBLE that a strong wind cut into the red sea to cleave it. Maybe read the text once before you comment on it.
Meh yeah cause that’s what everyone is making fun of
I mean, I freaking hate Ben, but there are/were shallow areas of the red sea that can get maybe knee deep or shallower during times of certain strong winds.
Ben Shapiro was never relevant. Stop giving attention to him.
another user more subs than this channel. So think about what you say. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
@@USA-qm2bk you have a vin diesel playlist, and what appears to be a picture of Kardashians for your profile.... tell us more oh fountain of wisdom.
Ben Shapiro was never relevant?
I wonder what makes someone relevant then
@@USA-qm2bk There are thousands of people protesting against the lockdown. They are clearly smarter than all the doctors who went to university and got their degree telling us to stay at home.
@@rahulsrivastava1988 He's a Gish galopper.
I gave Ben a fair shot but “nice guy” is a stretch. His colors show when he covers any muslim related topic or AOC.
Everyone that talks about AOC has there colors come out. AOC is a complete moron who interviewed for a position. A slug with a hat could have won the position she has (as long as it was willing to say it was a democrat). All this hype over AOC is so annoying. You realize AOC caved as soon as the DMC told her to either Toe the LIne or you are never going to win another election. LOL. Why do you think she is supporting Joe Biden?
And I wouldn’t say he’s a nice guy because idk him. But based on his shows and his debates he’s very straight faced and likes to have debated to showcase his point of view. And he is critical of both sides so you can’t say he’s biased to an extent
@@brianlogsdon4824 He's very pro Israel and I have seen him write off any criticism as anti semitism.
Brian Logsdon to an extent? You must be joking.
William Hagler he’s Jewish what do you expect?
That’s like when you criticize a democrat and they call you a racist xenophobic homophobe
What criticisms has Ben construed as antisemetism? Give me some examples
Even when I don't agree with you, I totally appreciate the honesty and sincerity of your positions and the open mindedness of your show. I never would have thought that my biggest source of news would be Rising and Jimmy Dore... so crazy for this libertarian leaning conservative that supports Trump.
"Saagar Enjeti DESTROYS Ben Shapiro's argument with LOGIC."
There, I just fixed the video for you.
😂
Ben Shapiro - Mr. Sell-Your-House-To-Aquaman!
I find it an insult to intellectuals to call Ben Shapiro an intellectual.
More of an incel-lectual
Sudev Sen lmao that’s an awesome way to describe him. I cringed so hard when I saw that he flexed his virginity in an old article.
What Saagar says at 3:40 is so important. Shapiro is a corporate tool that is put in place to preserve existing power structures because they are working out for him and his cadres.
i wonder how much they pay him
"I love Ben Shapiro he's my friend, but let me just clown his entire charade career"
You caught that too, huh
As if Saagar can carry Ben’s underwear. It’s not even close in intellect and knowledge. Shapiro wins
@@MrJamberee I disagree. I think Ben is too full of bullshit. He thinks he's an unemotional logical person but he's not at all, and he makes fallacies constantly and doesn't realize it. Also he wears big poopy diapers, not undies. He is not a conservative pundit worth respect or time, he's embarrassing
@@MrJamberee lol ben shapiro got famous for debating stupid ignorant college kids and people think he is an intellectual lmao ben shapiro fans are the biggest sheeps it's sad to see.
@@masterace1071 do you actually watch his UA-cam vids these days tho.... he's better then most....Since you apparently know who is so smart and who isn't..give me a name or two that makes Shapiro look like a dummy....
You did the same thing he did. You cherry picked one tweet and made that the whole point. Do better please.
Nobuo Femdy the tweet was not the proposal it was only in support of the proposal which is not all public policy is bad. That tweet was not where the idea stemmed from.
Ben Shapiro makes my skin crawl.
Gotta make a disclaimer that you like Shapiro so he doesn't storm out of your interview while saying he's more popular than you?
That disclaimer was a little too "bootlicker" for me... :l
4:50 Krystal sent this Shapiro Tweet to Saagar in the first place. They're such a cute team.
This is the crux of my problem with Shapiro and his like. Tons of criticism with little to no solutions or alternatives.
Solutions or alternatives? Shapiro supports and defends the status quo. So do I.
@@waynehasch5978 the status quo being perpetual war, mass immigration and tens of thousands of your countrymen killing themselves and dying of disease of despair like drug overdoses? That status quo?
@@kc6865 it's only better than every single thing you lot can do to help.
@@DANALDTRAMP With your logic, we should all sit at home and wait to die. We're all going to die anyways right? Why do anything?
Little solution? Ben just put forward a solution: let people solve it out instead of govt.
This is one reason why I love your show. You don't hesitate to take on people on your own side of the aisle, including people you personally like. Objectivity, and a willingness to examine one's own beliefs, should be prerequisite to the press -- but it's not. You two are four-leaved clovers, and I immensely admire that.
You REALLY think Krystal doesn’t know about Ben Shapiro??? 🤨 stop it.
Jacorrian Spears she’s said she doesn’t know about his views
@@cliveo181 neither does Ben.
She probably heard about him and had no interest in learning about him. I'd say she was being honest, if perhaps a bit deferential, but not as much as Saagar.
Perfectly stated. "There's no natural law that we have to have a great depression because we have a pandemic."
Jeff Zekas As opposed to, “The State should protect its citizens from external threats, unless that means spending money.” 🤦♂️
@@austintrousdale2397 *unless that monty goes to bombs and bullets then its unlimited
Shapiro??? New low for you, Saagar.
I like the hill. But ben shapiro would absolutely destroy you in a debate.
As a libertarian, the one thing I can agree with you is fundamentally we hate government intervention over almost anything and we have a very different view over what the govt should do. That said your whole "Lets just remove that part" and try the policy again doesn't work or make any sense. Do you think we base our beliefs on one cherry-picked example? We base our beliefs on a large body of evidence that most of the time, the govt only does harm and rarely does any good when it intervenes in the economy. Take Obamacare, a well-meaning policy and I wouldn't blame the policy creators that they couldn't predict the "death spiral". But the end result is what it is. In the words of one of the major thought leaders and Nobel prize-winning economist FA Hayek in his book "The fatal conceit: the errors of socialism", I quote "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design. To the naive mind that can conceive of order only as the product of deliberate arrangement, it may seem absurd that in complex conditions order, and adaptation to the unknown, can be achieved more effectively by decentralizing decisions and that a division of authority will actually extend the possibility of overall order. Yet that decentralization actually leads to more information being taken into account."
I caught onto Shapiro's cherry picking of ideas and fast talking to help him keep up the facade that he is some type of intellectual years ago. I think most objective folks who were following him are starting to catch on too.
I pretty much agree...If your going to listen to anyone's viewpoint on The Daily Wire, Andrew Klavan is the only one remotely honest/objective. Knowles and Walsh are basically a meme of the right at this point.
Crystal hasn't heard much about shapiro's nonesense? That explains why she's so upbeat and positive all the time. Shapiro's bullcrap makes one sorry they are of the same species as him...
I don't think any of us are the same species as him... and I'm just **barely** "human" myself
Did you hear Mark Cuban’s thinking on how to handle this? Who would have ever thought??? Seems he is smart enough to acknowledge the moment
When it comes to the truth about the Great Depression, I'm listening to Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Ayn Rand, Hayak, Mises, et al, not these clowns who have not economic education.
"Americans are conservatives. They want to conserve the New Deal". George Will
To reference a Ricky Bobby line from Talladega Nights and rephrase Saagar's statement...
Mr. Shapiro, with all due respect, and remember I'm sayin' with all due respect, your opinion ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on.
Shapiro's the new Rush - a showman. Why do these hacks always get called "nice guy"?
Hack? Lol ok boomer
Haven't you heard? " Nice guy" isn't so nice. Look up r/niceguys
I think usually people use it more as the ironic insult of guys who feign being nice than the legitimate compliment.
But Saagar is on the Right so he my actually see Ben as nice just kinda dumb sometimes.
It is good to be mindful of your own confirmation bias. If you're just cherry-picking data that supports one side of an argument, you're not really seeing the whole picture.
Ever notice how people advocating libertarian economic policies are often *already wealthy*? Not really inclined to listen to people who *don’t need* government assistance on the existence of government programmes. Also not inclined to listen to people who want the government out of the way because it gets in the way of profits on what the role of government should be. In other words, with personal respect to libertarian individuals, I fundamentally disagree with these views. They strike me as self-serving, naïve and out of touch with reality. To clarify, socially I think libertarian views a lot going for them: legalising drugs, reproductive choice and so on. Even on military intervention libertarians have some great ideas. But on economics I fundamentally disagree. Great radar, Saagar, and fantastic discussion afterwards
would love to see Krystal and Saagar have a conversation with Ben.
Why, so Ben can leave the interview like a little snowflake when he gets called out on his bullshit?
@@gourdlord2112 I know which interview you're referencing, but don't you think at these polarizing times, disagreeing points of views need to sit down and talk it out? if Ben's points of view are inferior to Saagar's or Krystal's, then let it be shown through conversation. Instead, you're making negative assumptions about someone which is something this country does not need right now
Kevin Lee if Shapiro had anything of worth to say he would have said it by now. He is an establishment mouthpiece and I don’t expect him to maintain any form of consistency with his argument. Fair enough on the unity point but I guarantee all Shapiro would do is rail on the very small amount of people who are rioting instead of peacefully protesting. He’s a grifter plain and simple
@@gourdlord2112 now that we got the name calling out of the way, i think we can have a mature conversation. Ben has said in his previous podcast that he does not support rioters and looters but he does support the protesters' right to protest. again, if you truly believe that Ben will get destroyed or owned by Krystal and Saagar in a conversation, then why would you not support this conversation from happening? let it be on the internet that Ben got destroyed by Krysal and Saagar. I'm pretty sure the left would love to see that happen.
Yeah it would be great. Especially if they both went on Bens show so we can hear them talk for an hour
Never forget the USS Liberty
The what?
@@tobyfunk6858 An American warship almost destroyed by Israeli fighter jets
@@tobyfunk6858 Google it and also it's worth looking into how that disgusting country sold mirage fighter jets to Argentina during the Falklands war to be used against British forces. But hey according to every cuckservative with a platform "Israel is our greatest ally".
Germany spent money on a military in the 1930's and 40's and they wound up losing a war! Obviously governments should not spend money on a military -Ben Shapiro Logic
Man I would pay mad money to see Ben Shapiro just do a 5-minute interview with Krystal and Saagar!
You know that as soon as Krystal challenged one of his talking points and quoted one of his old tweets, he'd walk off the interview.
I would probably learn a lot from that dependent on the topic of course.
Oh my goodness, it’s so nice to hear someone else point out that big corporations are just as capable of taking your freedom away from you as any overreaching government.
No, The Government's purpose is to defend the individuals right to Freedom.
This video should be titled: "Saagar Enjeti DESTROYS Libertarianism" or "Saagar Enjeti DESTROYS Ben Shapiro"
LOL! While sucking Shapiro off. "Nice guy"...LOL!
And he didn’t destroy him
Libertarianism extended is mad Max anarchism. You want that?!!! End of libertarian discussion
when you listen to ben at half speed you can understand the words but you still can’t understand his lame-brained ideas
For listening to him, you need to have NO brain. Because if you have brain, you will get 404 info!
"I have nothing against Ben Shapiro" (Except for all he stands for and all its awful ramifications on the whole system) "Nice guy"
0:48 "its exactly whats called for in this government caused economic crisis." Buddy, you just said the government caused an economic collapse, so we should give them more power, not less, no logic detected. You also say that ideology permeates the minds of those in the republican party, when you cant even see that the very force you are begging to save you is the force that made you start drowning in the first place, government overreach. Bailouts led to the 2008 crash, it is a stupid idea to give money to a company that didnt even know what to do with its own money.
Exactly. They are basing their take on the false narrative that people are going to die if we reopen too quickly. The government was right to err on the side of caution but now their refusal to relinquish power is the source of our issues, not the coronavirus.
But how is using the government for its actual job (or what is supposed to be its job based on the founders) illogical, and how is big corporations lobbying for less oversight the government? We’re talking “government is stupid” vs “government is corrupt” arent we? 2008 Crisis is an example of what a terrible idea it is to have big money in government, and the IRS or Post Office or *insert sacrificial governmental agency lamb here* is an example of how the government can be stupid, but it’s not the same, is it? The government is supposed to be there when the states can’t handle something and I’d assume that a pandemic is something states cannot handle individually entirely without the federal government, or am I wrong? If I am can the flaws to my argument be pointed out?
@@franktavarez6765 Oh my god i almost spit out my water. Buddy, the founding fathers were almost all libertarian. Any market interference from the government makes them literally roll in their grave. This country was partially founded on natural law, meaning the government is here to protect our rights, not offer us them. The government wasnt involved in any economic recoveries for over one hundred and thirty years into this countries founding, and when the government finally intervened, it lengthened the depression by eight years. This country was primarily founded on freedom, what does that mean for coronavirus? That means if you dont feel safe, feel free to stay home, thats your own risk assessment, which is all freedom is to begin with, but i gotta work, and no flu outbreak should be used by the government to tell me otherwise.
Ben "I'm a angry guy who only believes in facts but at the same time believes in an imaginary guy." Shapiro
Prove God is imaginary then Princess
"DC libertarianism is de facto corporatism." Exactly.
@@johnmc3 I agree that DC libertarianism is probably corporativism to some extend. But they conveniently mentioned this type of 'libertarianism' and then in other videos extrapolate to all classical liberals/libertarians. Very disingenuous. Liberalism (the traditional one, not the socialistic) has worked IN SO MANY PLACES in which its principles has been partially applied.
7:10 to 7:55 is Krystal's excellent take on Libertarian values versus the material effects of said values on the lives of ordinary citizens.
I waited 13 minutes for Saagar to actually refute Ben’s comments, instead of just shouting ‘it’s wrong!’. I’m still waiting.
Saagar on economics. Yeah, I’d take his incomprehension over Shapiro. Criticizing Ben for cherry picking facts while offering no facts, only opinions and conjecture. Every argument Saagar offers is nothing more than populism. Libertarians don’t care if you criticize them Saagar because you don’t understand economics. All sound and fury.
Should't it be "Saagar's Raadar"?🥁
[crickets]
Is this thing on?
RedLightMax and Krystal’s Ball
What a pronunciation mess lol
I’m a big Shapiro fan. Got red pilled because of him mostly lol. Though, I can appreciate this point of view to be honest...always good to see an alternative point of view.
Saag is on point! Glad to see him solidify salient ideas and draw a line
Every Libertarian I know of is against big bad government AND cronyism...
Wow! Mic Drop.
Great job Saagar!
Ben Shapiro cares about logic and facts. Source: Ben Shapiro.
DoubleIrish DutchSandwich Lol-gic and fauxts
Never forget Ayn Rand was on welfare when she passed away
Wait,what had happened to her?
She encountered financial ruin? Always assumed she died rich.
Hate her
“I have nothing against Ben Shapiro and he’s always welcome here” begins to demolish Ben Shapiro and show how ignorant Ben has been
What's the big deal? $15 per muffin is cheap when taxpayers pay for it.
Saagar. Nothing but respect. Keep fighting the good fight.
I lean libertarian, but I love you two. Keep people thinking. The world is complex.
How does the corona virus affect youre views on libertarianism? How do you think the free market would handle it?
"Doctor, doctor it hurts when I do this!!!! "
"So, don't do that!"
🙄
Ok but what if the patient is a drug addict and there's a bug ass pill mill called The Fed...?
🤔🤨🧐
*big
"I don't have anything against Ben Shapiro."
I thought Saagar would be able to see through his obvious grift and intellectual dishonesty...
Ben knows how to debate and it shows. He does not have to be right it’s a matter of how he argue his case.
There's a contingent of people on here that have the very same philosophy as those from Ben Shapiro and Mitch McConnell's world view. And I'm not saying its a small group either... to be quite frank, that group has the largest in terms of influence vs Saagar Engjeti's philosophy and mindset.
Lol. My man Ben "You're anti-Semitic !" Shapiro
Shapiro is a RINO.
“Cramming De Tocqueville down the throats of young conservatives” 🤣🤣🤣 c’mon man, cahm awn main
The government shouldn't do anything. What's that you say? A war? Well I'm on board! - ben
You guys do know Twitter has a limit on characters in a tweet right?...you CANT outline details of a political position on twitter so I think it’s a bit disingenuous to criticize someone for it.
YIKES "He's a great guy" looks like someone needs to do some more research on Ben Shapiro
If we take responsibility and SAVE 3-6 MONTHS OF INCOME expenses GOVERNMENT wouldn’t be needed to bail us out!
Wil Medina - There are many (more) people now who physically cannot do that.
This country forces you into debt one way or another. You can barley maintain, or come even come close to advancing your position without debt. The government knows this as enforcable debts are simply the main method to keep us playing the game. Since everyone starts in diffrent positions with diffrent amounts of currency and support, saving is not always a viable method. That's not to say it shouldn't be pursued when able, but seeing that as the only solution demonstates that you place fault on people who find themselves in need only on the decions of those individuals. I'm glad you have been able to maintain your position on life based on your circumstances with presumably minimal outside assistance, but presuming it is simply that lack of will or desire to prepare for worser case scenarios by these individuals is an ignorant point of view at the very best.
There is always a "15 dollar muffin" when government is involved in anything it tries to do
Yes. In general we should not have government run things . Right now, as in the great depression, desperate times call for desperate measures.
You're right. That 15 dollar muffin is definitely more important than 45,000 people dying every year due to a lack of basic healthcare. Or that workers' wages have only risen by 3% in real terms since the 1970s. Or that the number of listed companies in the USA has halved since 1997 due to deregulation, megamergers, and monopolies. Or that even by pre coronavirus projections, by 2070, there will only be 1 company per industry, so that the almost complete entirety of the wealth we generate will be gouged from local communities and transported to London, New York, Geneva, etc (definitely not Wheeling WV) But I agree I'm totally fine with all that so long there are fewer 15 dollar government muffins to pay for.
@@outragedamerican1149 are you implying that people are only 3% better off now than 50 years ago? If that's the case there is no point in trying to have an adult conversation. Government is naturally slow moving and inefficient. In some cases its deemed a nessary cost. Consider that the department of education didn't exist until 1979 and the states standing In The world has declined nearly every year since its inception despite a budget of nearly 70 billion. Or the cost of doing business in a heavy regulation state like California vs Texas etc
Not in healthcare, there are many government agencies who do a decent job. Certainly better than any for profit as soon as it is about a natural monopoly or goes in that direction (housing, sewage systems, mining, even electricity, firefighters, schools, ....)
healrhcare is very tangible for citizens, when they need it big time (or a family member) they pay attention. If all are in the same system that created enormous politicla leverage for the insured / patients.
after WW2 all nations applied single payer principles (with very few exceptions), but they grandfathered in existing solutions and they did their own thing.
Fast forward 70 years, many differences - but on average a rich country will pull if off with USD 5,400 for every person in the country, take or leave 500 USD.
The surcharge in the U.S. for having dominant profiteers
USD 5,000 almost. (USD 10,260 per person in 2017 - instead of approx. 5,400).
And corporations see to it that they have a cherrypicked pool, because the most costly group over 65 is
covered by a single payer style public non-profit insurance agency = Medicare. It was introduced in the 1960s and the idea was to expand it, but that never happened.
Money in politics happened.
Nixon happened, until 1973 it was against the law to make a profit of healthcare. So there were many private non-profit insurers, hospitals. That adds inefficiency, but they did not have a toxic culture.
All these nations endup spending 49 - 56 % of what the U.S. is spending per person ("per person" in the U.S. includes uninsured, bankrupt because of medical bills, getting too little care to late because of lack of insurance coverage etc., it means ALL spending: by government, companies, citizens).
As for differences how the single payer nations started out and developed over 70 years:
some governments did favors to corporations and allow private insurers more role than is ideal, think Germany where 10 % are fully "privately" insured (the opt out is allowed ONLY for the affluent / privileged - they do it only if young / healthy)
Or Australia where the affluent are kicked out of the public pool. There is a tug of war between Labour strengthening the public non-profit pool - and the "conservatives" that are hellbent to CREATE a niche for the for-profits. By government intervention (because the wealthy would stay in the public pool without the hefty fines. And less fines would be sufficient if funneled into the public system, that tends to have very lean budgets, they are just about managing. Australia has 49 % of the U.S. spending per person
Also Netherlands where they did a neoliberal reform. Patients / insured liked the old system better btw).
the needs of the citiizens (and is costly even if delivered in efficient manner, first world medicine does cost money) - so there is enough oversight. It is Corporations who captured the political and election process to a degree that the voters cannot stand up and straighten that out.
I would be for well publicly funded TV, no ads. wages are published, if you work there you agree to that. Staff AND a board of citizens / society representatives have the vote (and the representatives rotate, that duy is paid but they do not have that gig forever). It is much harder to bribe people when it is a body of representatives that changes constantly. (people could apply for that duty and then there is a lottery).
Publicly funded TV has been captured by the political establishment (of course back in the day it was THE most important way to influence the way of voters).
That said: they are still way better than what the 6 dominant networks (owned by rich people) are doing in the U.S. millionaires doing propaganda for billionaires.
Even a half decently run railway in public hand will always beat a for-profit railway system.
Krystal, me not trusting my government at all is radical? You guys continually point out every day how they constantly fail us day in and day out on any number of issues. Yet here you are advocating that government should be intervening and that me wanting the maximum amount of privacy is radical? You guys sound like the establishment you're trying to take a shit on. Krystal Pelosi and Mitch Saagar. Bad take here guys.
This is the best political discussion outlet in the United States right now.
Ben Shapiro has said a lot of things over the past year that have made me lose faith in him. He’s so out of touch these days.
Daftrax 98 you beat me to this lol Shapiro has made a career by spewing what he is told to by his investors using cherry picked “evidence”
He was never in touch. You just adjusted to his fast-talking speaking style to really pay attention to what he was saying.
I used to agree with Ben on a lot of his ideas but I quit watching him when he tried to justify all these foreign wars and giving billions of dollars to countries like Israel .
So let’s not give any dollars to any country
For me it was when he said it’s “selfish to not have children”. Be financially responsible but because you’re not having kids, YOURE selfish! Jesus Ben, how about look at why people aren’t?
I would Vote for a Republican like Saagar....as long as he promised to leave my weed alone!
He's Republican? Wayment. I learned something today. There's Hope then.
I formerly considered myself a libertarian.
Working in inner city EMS and finding/converting to Catholicism has drastically altered my views.
I still have a "libertarian streak". It's exactly as they've described, a healthy skepticism of gov't.
Now my views are weird and idk who to support lol. I want universal healthcare (not even "medicare for all", UNIVERSAL healthcare), but I'm not a socialist, I want more people to own property and businesses - as many people as possible. I'm a curious fan of UBI, but I don't like the idea of higher taxes on middle or lower class people. I'm more pro 2A than any Republican would dare to admit, I'm also very much against private prisons and I believe our justice system is broken. I think marriage and having multiple children should be supported and celebrated, I also think marijuana laws are entirely silly. I'm fiercely patriotic and want our military supported, but I'm against the unnecessary wars.
I've been told I sound like a Distributist, idk tho.
I don't think I can vote for either Trump or Biden. I despise them both.
Any ideas, fellow commenters?
Anyone else notice how the aforementioned debate never got aired, I bet Saagar totally wiped the floor with Bens horrible economic ideology