The CDC episode hit different for me. It had a depth to it. It's really the only time where the "enemy" of the show isn't random human settlements and gangs or walkers, the enemy is hopelessness in this episode. Jenner wants to blow them all up because he is out of hope, if the group runs out of hope, they never break out of there and just commit suicide, I'm pretty sure the black woman (I forget her name) chooses to end her own life despite of all of it. It's a great episode.
I would say the first episode with a human group antagonist is Vatos, when Rick, Daryl, Glenn, and T-Dog encounter a group of Hispanic survivors protecting the elderly residents of a group home while retrieving Rick’s bag of guns from Atlanta. Obviously that conflict resolved peacefully but it was the first time inter-group conflict appears on the show, and it establishes important themes that appear later.
@@zolod.uchiha5102 they actually had a seen where the group was looking for a place to stay after Jenners, and Glenn suggested the Vatos. But then when they go, Daryl immediately sees that they've been shot and killed by people, and Andrea has a half assed attempt at mocking him, only to backfire
I think it was a good thing. Since Rick wasn't around for the beginning, neither were we. We got so much information about the infection and how the walkers work. I always appreciated that knowledge, especially when the spin-offs and games have characters that seem to think the walkers are more than the walking corpses they are.
I kind of like those few hints we get that there actually might be more the walkers than simply walking corpses Gives it a bit more depth and makes us question just how much the CDC actually knew
It’s a great setup before Hershel and the farm, as we as viewers and the gang know, for certainty, that walkers are dead. Deceased. They aren’t sick. So we don’t have to consider Hershel’s opinions and can focus on the dynamic of either accepting his craziness to live amongst them (Rick’s plan) or to expose it for the false idea that it truly is (Shane’s plan).
I don’t think so. It doesn’t say anything too shocking apart from “we’re all infected” which pretty much everyone finds out anyway just by living. It did open the door for more storylines about testing the virus and finding a cure
This episode and plot point about the virus wasn’t really ever supposed to exist. I guess the original creator of the comics never wanted to go into the origins of the virus or cdc or any of that which is why is it wasn’t in the comics. The show runners did though. After this episode was released I guess they came to some sort of agreement they would leave it at that and not go into it anymore. Which is why they only just somewhat recently picked up the plot point again in FTWD
@@billross9132yes because there was shit going on no time for ricks group to do that and frankly they wouldn’t and as soon as Rick gets taken they show more because they don’t have to center right around group for every scene wouldn’t fit show if they did that during all out war or terminus or governor or even the farm. But the farm is the only place I could have seen them find a little something the show had it’s own big plot there was no time to really do that. And I’m happy they mad it the end game for walking dead
I don't even class daryl Dixon as a spin off tbh the walking dead fell off hard but i actually enjoyed the walking dead:daryl Dixon unlike the later seasons of the main series
That’s definitely true but what we got from France when we finally got to see what happened there is practically nothing related to what Jenner said which is a shame. What we got from the Darryl spinoff if is some weird ass group full of nutjobs that don’t originate from the french version of the CDC that experiment on walkers and control people, a child that is believed to be immune and so on and oh all of sudden the wildfire virus in the wiki is now originated in France apparently which is just stupjd
@@liamphibiait took them 5 seasons to get out of a single state. When I was watching it than I had a feeling I may never get to see it in the main show but in something like FTWD
I think the point of this episode was basically “there’s no going back…” so now the survivors have to find a way to make a life in the new world, instead of clinging to hope of the old world.
The amount of foreshadowing in this episode is insane, Jenner basically predicted everything that was going happen especially when told Rick "the day will come when you won't be" after he said he was grateful kinda gives me chills now that i think about it
18 Miles Out is one of my favorite episodes to rewatch. The dynamic between Rick and Shane, the brutal fight, creepy Randall, Shane thinking Rick had abandoned him in the bus to the joyous moment that he sees Rick pull up to get him, all the way to the end of the episode, as Shane sees the same lone walker in the field that he saw on the way 18 Miles out. Very symbolic of what was to come.
@@remphz3321 I didn’t say that Shane was joyous. I said the moment (for us viewers) was joyous. Most fans, at least at that exact point, didn’t want to see Shane dead. Not yet. Hell, I didn’t want to see Shane dead until Shane literally gave Rick no other choice.
If you pause your video at 8:13, that’s a beautiful shot of the cast at that point. And it’s crazy that only 3 of them are still in the show at this point.
But in the later seasons Carol, Maggie and Daryl have crazy plot armor. It feels like they’re not survivors anymore like in the earlier seasons, now they’re just superhumans who win every fight and every gunfight
I think given the constant change of direction in The Walking Dead Universe, they didn't play their hand too early. The writers had a different direction, mainly Frank Darabont. He envisioned the implementation of variants during the early stages of production. Due his leave, they had to pick up the pieces and decided to shift towards more of the "people are more dangerous than the walkers" route. Obviously, people would still be dangerous in Darabont's iteration, but he would've further elaborated on the dangers of walkers in my opinion. That being said, the groundwork was laid out for a potential cure that they could explore in France. The real question is if Darabont remained, how do you think the show would've differed?
I’d think it would be more cinematic. I loved the first season, the way it was filmed (style of filming), plus it felt more realistic, imo. I really loved this episode cause of love for science and seeing what CDC was like.
The look on Andy Lincoln’s face as Jenner is telling him what we would come to know- absolutely fucking perfect. Andrew Lincoln acts with his eyes and those eyes are so emotive!
I like the hints earlier in the episode about the fuel shutdown… the “go easy on the hot water” line stand out because they use electric in line heaters and will use up the last of the power very quickly…
I'd like to point out that in the flashback scene, people say that Shane put his head to Rick chest and was heartbroken that he couldn't feel a heartbeat. But I think itd make more sense that he did feel a heartbeat and was so disraught because he knew he'd have to leave his best friend behind knowing he was still alive. I know he tells Lori that he didn't feel one, but its still fun to think about. It's probably setting Rick up to be immune. He died and was reanimated only he came back as himself and not a walker.
Considering that TS-19 was Robert Kirkman's black sheep episode back in the day, and thus quickly forgotten by many, I'm kinda glad it's been playing a part in the spin-offs, makes it relevant again.
Season 1 is still the only season that I can watch from beginning to end and feel satisfied that the time was well spent. This was a superb way to end the season. To be honest, I haven't watched the Maggie and Negan nor Daryl shows. Maybe I will when Carol joins him? I'm looking forward to closure; the conclusion of the Rick/Michonne story. I hope they are reunited with whomever is left from the first 3 seasons and the kids.
I love this episode because I took the whole thing as them in Limbo or purgatory (having so much happiness but also so much sadness). When the doors open to the facility it’s super bright like what is described when you die with the bright light and all. They are told when they get in they stay in and that’s that. Rick and everyone start to have their own things going on like Shane trying to speak with Lori, Andrea and Dale, Rick and Jenner all confronting different types of demons. When they find out everything about the facility it comes down to Jenner saying that them dying would be quick and painless and how it is most likely the best option in the apocalypse. While most of the others wanted to leave and live even though they were told that isn’t much of a life anymore. But Rick argues that something is better than nothing and all they want is a choice. Jenner finally lets the ones who want to go out go. All them wanting to live or die for different reasons. Andrea feels she has nothing and lost it all meaning she has no purpose. Dale doesn’t want to die, but he doesn’t wanna leave Andrea alone cause he wants to help her so he’s willing to die with her but did get her to leave. Jenner stayed because he felt living in that world was a worse fate than dying an instantaneous death. Jacqui felt it was sane to stay and die because she wasn’t built for that type of world and considering the state of things it was the most humane way to die because of how quick and painless it is. Carol wants to live so she can protect her daughter and Lori I’m sure wants the same thing for Carl Including Rick. Shane Probably wanted to live so he could have Lori and Carl. The ones who left found reasons to live and the ones who stayed found reasons to die. Rick thanks Jenner but Jenner wasn’t going to let Rick leave ignorant about it and replied with the name of the episode glenn and Abe die. “The day will come when you won’t be”. He then informs Rick more about the Virus and how it works to what he knew. The reaction Rick gave was that of someone who discovered no hope to a situation where they to their core believed there was hope. Rick was so stunned Lori even had to help pull him away because he was so stunned. Rick and the others leaving not realizing that in the grand scheme of it all Jenner went through far less Pain,Regret,Sorrow than anyone else would. There was no right answer it was a simple matter of pick your poison. It was also a matter of “put yourself into this situation, what is the choice you would pick”. At that point in time it’s easy to say live, but then you get all the way up to season 8 or even just Negan and you have to ask yourself again would you have been better off dying back at the CDC. I feel like you’re supposed to ask you self that after each event major event. They did play cards too early IMO because some connections didn’t show back up until like a few years ago maybe not even and they were short and small plus you would have to remember this episode to understand or even remember what happens with connecting stuff later on. But I feel that to get the feeling the episode gave me it had to go that way. I really do hope Jenner has a full and proper connection with the Daryl show eventually cause that is without a doubt their best opportunity for it.
you put my thoughts into words lol and im sure we’ve all put ourselves in the situation of that scene and I’ve always said that i would have more then likely stayed, not that im not built for that world but just think about how you would end up dying eventually and more then likely in a horrific way, the world is over and even though rick said death has always been there regardless, atleast you had the option to go out without sufferibg
Facts. When Jenner mentioned France, I knew it would have some importance to it later on and they’re using it in the form of a spin-off. You can look at it from both sides tho. Yes they played their cards too early, and no they didn’t. Yes because now TWD has to come up with great ideas to keep the show interesting, and like u said, you would have to remember this episode later on as reference for the show to make sense. And no because now as the viewer, you develop a deeper liking for each character as they embark on a journey to survive knowing that there’s nothing out there. You feel as though you don’t want anything bad to happen to each character in the following episodes, but when it inevitably does, it hits you in such an emotionally dissatisfying way lol.
The way the episode frames the CDC as this perfect place only for it to steadily break down kind of mimics the effect the virus has on TS-19’s brain. It starts off beautiful and vibrant, every part of it fully functional and working only for those necessary functions to steadily fail and become a shell of its former self. The lights literally went out, just like TS-19
he was still a scientist. who hadn't seen people in at least a month. I bet he wanted to tell them everything he could. If you've ever been isolated, its not hard to think he would say everything he knew. especially because i don't think he truly wanted to lock them in with him. he locked the doors to keep them from running so he could tell them the rest.
One of my favorite episodes. It’s the perfect ending to season 1, laying out the central themes that would power the show to the very end. Kirkman is crazy for wanting to cut it. The trip to the CDC replaced the group spending the night at a gated community, where I guess Jacqui would have just been killed by walkers. How on earth would that have been a better finale?
I like the mystery it added because even watching this episode back in 2010 i wanted to know more about France and the world at large and it made the world feel so much bigger even in a relatively tiny setting for the time, which i still feel to this day. Its why the mexico segmentw of fear were so intriguing (beyond actual good writing) and why the norman reedus show feels so refreshing today
I love in the CDC when they're all drinking and Daryl says "you keep drinking, I wanna see how red your face can get!", he was getting so comfortable with the group, such good moments
Sophia is a drunk! I mean with her father being Ed I wouldn’t be surprised if she was exposed to alcohol a lot as a child. Maybe in Season 2 when she goes missing she finds alcohol and gets drunk which impairs her judgement so she doesn’t go back to the highway and her drunken state caused her to get bit. That would be an interesting and funny theory! Otis could smell the stench of alcohol all over that strange child Walker when putting her into the barn.
I don't recall the characters really mentioning Jenner or his findings, ever again in the later season. I remember being very pissed off at Andrea for not telling the Governor that his daughter was already dead and the corpse he was trying to restore, is not her. Andrea knew about what Jenner said, and she saw footage of the zombification process too. And as Jenner puts it, The person bitten is, "Just a shell driven by mindless instinct" That was something the Governor should've been told. Would it have made a difference? Maybe, maybe not. But we never know
Governor was in complete denial and already mad, he kept a bunch of walker heads in jars for no good reason than his own entertainment. He knew his daughter wasn't coming back, especially when he knows the walkers can exist with just a head.
That's not Andrea's fault. Governor was already losing his mind and wouldn't have accepted the fact that she was dead, he refused to listen despite seeing it himself.
This is honestly one of the best and most grounded episodes in the show. The enemy is hopelessness, knowing that the best and brightest, those who could’ve fixed this, have long perished.
Hot take: The best zombie apocalypse stories don't ever have an origin for the virus, they simply throw a bunch of speculative ideas around, from nature, to government conspiracy, to aliens or some sort of paranormal stuff. The lack of a conclusive answer helps with the immersion of the initial idea for what the modern zombie is based on: the idea of it being an emergency disaster. Everyone has presumptions, nobody has answers, and finding answers is something to wait until the crisis is over with. It mimics how catastrophies across the globe always go, and it works for both the viewer and the people in the movie, as the viewer,much like a spectator viewing the disaster from a different state will speculate and blame, the person in the movie will have to endure regardless, and while the question might cross their mind, trying to survive is still the primary goal. When an answer is given, this kind of goes out the window from the viewer's perspective and you're left with ONLY people trying to survive, and there's less overall to work with, because no longer do you have more ways to add natural conversation for the survivors to talk about that allude to the origins (thus fueling speculation) but the viewer will feel as though they know the answer to a question everyone is asking, and feel frustrated whenever the topic is broached in the show. It forces the show to just accept the details as a normal part of life, which at first sounds good, but when they accept it as the new normal, the disaster aspect vanishes. It NEEDS to feel like a freak occurrence. Something that, in theory, can be fixed down the line. Otherwise the story just plods along.
interesting take, i think it's very closely related to the idea that usually the scariest monsters are the ones you know the least about / see the least in a movie
This is the best comment. This is exactly how I feel and I agree with everything you said. I think having an origin story was better for developing a liking towards each character. It made it to where you felt as if there were truly no hope and u just didn’t wanna see anyone die. But it definitely made it harder for the show to come up with new and fresh ideas to keep the show interesting.
The CDC didn’t know where the walker virus came from, just how it works…that’s it, the science behind it. Which is information we needed as the viewer, and for the group.
One thing they definitely dropped from the first season is the walkers still having some sort of intelligence. For example the kids mom who tried to open the door.
That was cause Frank Darabont no longer worked on the seasons past halfway through Season 2. Frank Darabont had alot of ideas and aspirations to make the Walkers more than just fleshy generic beat sticks that the gang roll through in droves, they were supposed to have flashbacks and buildup to them which is why the Purple Suit Walker had an odd amount of screen time. The Tank Walker (played by Sam Witwer) Rick kills was supposed to have a full flashback to the war in Atlanta to show how he ended up in there for example. But pretty much all of his ideas for Season 2 got cut as well as Franks budget which is not only why he left but also a very likely cause of why Dale died when he did since the actor that played Dale was friends with Frank and they went on to work on a different movie together
@@xvoidxhunter2129 my head cannon in universe is the more intelligent zombies were the ones more likely to find humans thus be more likely to be killed. Also people might skip a random zombie, but seeing one trying to use doors or climbing over a fence would have survivors think "yeah we should kill this one" Imagine hiding as a sniper perfectly secure and out of sight popping a few zombies and one is...just staring at you. There is no way they could know you were there and then you notice it starts keeping out of sight from all your angles you have...that zombie would definitely be a KOS over a hundred randomly roaming ones. Now there are less humans to kill them off so that's why they have been showing up.
I really love the 6 episode format for the Walking Dead. It feels just perfect and I like how the Spin offs are doing the same It really helps keep the pacing going without meaningless filler
One of my favorite episodes bc it took any hope away that there was still government somewhere or a cure would be coming. It felt like the characters went from swimming in shallow waters to the middle of the ocean. The old society is dead and not coming back. The symbolism of the failure of the cdc was strong for the story overall
to be fair it felt pretty natural hearing this, and it is only revealed to rick in 1x06, we learn about it in 2x13. but knowing if you die not from a walker but still turn grounded the series in a good way. if we didnt get that they would be a lot more limited with what they could do.
Man, this episode is so sad if you see 7x01 The " the day will come when you won't be " phrase is so sad if you compare the happinees of everybody in the 1x06 and the sadness of everybody in 7x01
I would like you to cover The Walking Dead Season 2 Episode 1 What Lies Ahead next, it was an extremely impactful first episode of a Season, a herd of Walkers on the highway nearly wiped out the group, Sophia went missing and died off screen with a large and fruitless search for her beginning, Carl was shot in that episode at the end, and Rick began his journey as the group’s leader heading gradually into the darker direction he would end up later on. It was towards the end of his Officer Friendly days.
I always thought it was such a shame that they killed off Jenner so quickly. He's an awesome actor. The first season was amazing. Up to about season 4 or 5. I miss it so much
If you haven’t done a breakdown of it already, I’d really like to see you do one on the episode “Them”. I feel like it was really cool seeing the group survive in the wild with no real shelter and it was really visceral and realistic.
Great episode. One of the best from the mothership. I'd still love to see you cover something from the first three seasons of Fear. I guarantee you'll appreciate the writing from those seasons.
Everyone misses the biggest mistake in this episode. Everyone being infected means that humanity can not outlast the virus. You could restart civilization on an island with no walkers and one person dying in their sleep could start an outbreak.
We would adapt. We would develop new cultural rituals and traditions to counter it. Like, one of the most likely reasons why our ancestors began burying their dead hundreds of thousands of years ago was probably to prevent the dead body from spreading disease and attracting predators. And now, hundreds of thousands of years later, burying the dead is pretty much instinctual. Similar things would arrise. Whether that's developing a ritual around isolating a person once they reach a certain age then just waiting for them to die naturally before destroying their brain or maybe even just straight up systematically executing the old and sick once they begin to show signs that they're going to die. Maybe, after enough generations, a combination of the zombie virus becoming less lethal and humans becoming more resistant will make it so that it's much less of a threat. There's no point trying to add logic to TWD's zombie virus though because it's literally some black magic voodoo shit. I like the idea that heaven and hell are full, and so the dead have nowhere to go.
@@Dushmann_ No, the covid outbreak proved that we can't even handle the body counts from a disease with a .06% mortality rate. Also, diseases evolve faster in asymptomatic hosts... which would be the entire surviving WD population. Don't write me any more high school essays that ignore the fact that almost every piece of undead fiction, from vampires to zombies, actively avoid stepping into the logical cow patty that is an unstoppable infection spreading exponentially.
@@Dushmann_ I'll add that other diseases didn't magically go away in the WD timeline. In their living conditions, a potent flu outbreak could wipe out an entire settlement IF THE DEAD RESSURECTED AND STARTED ATTACKING PEOPLE.
@@Dushmann_I don’t think humans would become resistant. Viruses mutate and get stronger. That’s why a new flu shot is administered every year. I think there’s still an upside tho. You’re on the right track. Humans would eventually figure something out.
Here's the thing while this is a stretch we have no idea if the younger ones (anybody that was born after the outbreak like judeth) will reanimate They might have some sort of resistance and if they died they would not reanimate
it didn't play cards too early its just the fact that Darabonts narrative and direction of the show changed when he was gone and the new directors altered where the story was going to go and thats it.
Really loved this episode and when RIck was told one day he wouldn't it sent shivers down my spine. Admittedly it began unravelling some thread for the future that muddy the waters but overall was a great way to end season 1 and setting up future plot points.
I actually appreciate that they "played their cards" this early, so to speak: a lot of shows try to keep mystery alive so much that they run themselves in senseless circles that don't make sense. By defining the virus early, the entire universe has this moment to turn back to and therefore can't make themselves go completely out of hand without retconning it altogether. I think of shows like Pretty Little Liars or Supernatural where certain mysteries put the writers in an endless annoying loop that got tiresome.
TS-19 is probably my second favorite episode of season 1 after “Tell It To The Frogs”. I think this was a great analysis, I really do love these TWD videos and always look forward to them. 18 Miles Out is also my favorite S2 episode so definitely looking forward to that as well. Idk if you’ve finished reviewing S6 but I think an analysis of “The Same Boat” would be cool to see in one of the next uploads
Dude your walking dead videos are so good, I just finished watching the the last 5 seasons after dropping the show, and I've watched so many of your vids
Really love theses kinds of video’s and how you really get into detail and depth. I would love to see you review TWD 4x6 (Live Bait) and here your opinion on the Rise & Fall of The Governor. And him potentially having a redemption arc but his greed & obsession with revenge & power really prove that he was to far gone. I’d also love to see you do a character analysis on Arthur Morgan from RDR2 like you did with Joel from The Last Of Us > just a suggestion
for me the show ended when rick fought negan. i finished every season and spin off and that is still my head canon. rick killed negan and the show ended
I don’t believe they gave too much away. It explained what we were all asking. It wasn’t a clear definitive answer but something to go off at the very least.
At season 8, I think TS-19 didn't really hurt the series much. It still had a lot of mysteries lingering, even revealed info by the end of the next season. One thing IS true that the Zombies themselves don't bring the same mysterious feel all the time, which would be obvious for a rich and long story like this.
I said it on another video, but I think what made this episode so great is, besides a nice little peak into the wildfire virus, is Noah Emmerich’s performance. You can truly believe he’s a man wracked by grief, despair, and guilt. You truly believe he had to watch someone he loved essentially die twice. You truly believe he feels guilt that he couldn’t figure it all out and save humanity. And when you learn ts-19 was Jenner’s wife, it makes his line of “an extraordinary one” when he shows the group the mri, hit even harder. I fully believe TWD didn’t play it’s cards too early. It simply set them up in a way that kept you guessing what the next card is going to be. It didn’t show them all at once
Honestly it engraved very early on the hopelessness of the situation, which the main TWD series relied on for A LOT of the first half of the show so yeah I’d say it was worth it
Love these episode videos so I will comment a new episode every time I watch one. You should cover “Arrow on the Doorpost” episode in season 3. It’s the one where Rick and the governor have a sit down and would love to hear your thoughts on it.
I LIKE this episode. I really like it! I really agree that the dinner scene was one of the warmest and most "family-friendly" of all seasons. I also agree that if the events had taken place in later seasons, the band would have spent much more time there, which I would really like to see! (actually, it's kind of like my Roman empire - to think what if it were like that). I also really liked Dr. Jenner, even though he was on the screen for only one episode. at the end of the episode, when it was already clear that Edwin wasn't going anywhere, I REALLY wanted him to go. I don't know, I really didn't want him to die like that. In general, yes, "TS-19" is one of my favorite episodes
He's not immune though. His mother died during child birth, but no antibodies would be created. If he was immune, then literally all kids born would be immune under the same fashion, because the virus is in everyone. His mother turning doesn't mean anything, all that simply happened was the umbilical cord blocked the virus from transferring, but that doesn't make him immune either. How the virus works is everyone has the base version, and when they die it mutates into the zombie version. That's because it was designed by french scientists to basically keep people "alive" even after they die, so that they have time to fix whatever the medical issue is, whether it's a heart attack or whatever else. So it keeps the cells from going into a programmed death state and uses genetic tricks to keep them powered/functioning. It's basically designed to "activate" when it senses conditions like that. So that happened to his mother, but the umbilical cord blocked it from happening to him. So the only thing to glean from it is that the umbilical cord does stop the virus from transferring to babies, but he will naturally get infected by other living people, because everyone is a carrier, and it wouldn't make him immune to being bit either. So in the end he's no different than anyone else, and not immune at all. They're merely using him as someone to rally around for hope.
I just wrote an essay about the zombie motf in The Walking Dead and argued that in the first seasons the walkers still had an uncanny feeling attached to them bcs they were very ambivalent figures. That is due to the fact that, as a creature which is placed between being alive and dead, the characters still had struggles when dealing with them. An especially good example for that would be The Governor who treats his daughter as if she's still alive (of course, here comes into play that he is a psychopath and was not capable to process his daughter's death in a healthy grieving process). In the progress of the plot - which is only natural, thus not a critic - the walkers became more and more background scenery in the sense that they were just soulless creatures which the characters slaughtered over and over again. I think this episode is so strong, among other things, because the undeads are still a mysterium and Rick and his group are still getting their head around this new phenomenon.
Can you make a video analysis on the episode “Nebraska” I feel like that’s what kind of helped shape Rick into the leader he became and kind of what made Rick become the leader in the end
Again, loved this analysis. If your stuck on episodes 5x09 is a good one (What Happened and What’s going on). Or maybe some more season 10 or 11 episodes, like 11x13: warlords and 11x14: the rotten core.
The moment Carol saved them t terminus and took them back to see Judith and Tyrese alive. There was a happy moment at Gabriel's church after terminus. They were eating and discussing going to DC. In Alexandria during the welcome party. They all seemed happy there too. There were many moments
After the World Beyond scene with Jenner, I really hope that he becomes like an invisible antagonist in the series. Like his decisions influence the story more from now on.
It definitely would have been cooler and more mysterious if they had not talked about what was happening in other countries. Going the whole of the series without knowing, and then maybe revealing in the end that some countries were actually safe would be a very cool ending to the show.
I haven't seen the spinoffs because they're not out yet in my country but to me the problem is more "we can't write what we want because the show was going another way first" rather than "we got to the conclusions too early and now we can't milk our universe". The walking dead, at least from how i see it, was and should still be about how the people adapted to an apocalypse, and not about finding the cure to a virus. They got to Ts19 so early so it wouldn't be something to worry about later and it wouldn't be a whole show of them going around labs to find a cure (if you're looking for a series like that "the last ship" is the perfect thing btw)
I'm kinda glad they played their cards this early. It became a localized disease and made it kind of impossible for them to do something insane later on an bring in aliens or something as an explanation. When I watched it for the first time, i really liked this episode and I still do. Personally, I think it's a really good explanation and it leaves enough for story growth and defines some of the limits for the disease as it relates to the story as well.
I think an episode that should definitely be covered is s5e10 “them” in my opinion it’s the best/strongest episode of the entire series and while the grove is my favorite i can honestly say I’d probably rather watch this one.
tbf we based everything on what Jenner knows(at the time) is true. maybe the compound he was in contact with in France fell, but doesn't mean all of it did or places that fell in the past didn't bounce back. Most countries would be focusing on themselves than reaching out to neighbors or even across the globe....because what good would finding survivors 10,000km away actually do?
i think this episode is really what helped establish TWD as a big show though. the other episodes were cool because they were the beginning of a zombie outbreak, this episode is the characters actively choosing if they want to fight to live and suffer or just die peacefully.
I would like to see a "What If" series based on the Telltale Walking Dead games. I know that in a previous episode you mentioned that you're still playing through season 1. I know that these videos are quite popular with the Walking Dead TV show as well as other series like Breaking bad & Game of Thrones, and to my knowledge the game hasn't been done. For example, you could do one like " What if Lee convinced Glen to stay with the Motor Inn group in Ep1. Just a thought, love your videos
I remember when I first watched the show and this episode made it all the more scary because it showed there was almost no way that we would get back to the way things were. What I like about TWD is that is shows believable reactions to the apocalypse, you keeping fighting you lots hope etc, and Jenner thinking in the end makes a lot of sense even if it’s not what everyone would do
As someone from Georgia, I always found it amusing how they tried to pass off the Cobb Energy Center (a performance venue) as the CDC. Sure the exterior looks vaguely similar to the CDC building, but to my eyes the lobby is clearly intended for lines of theatergoers and red carpet events while some of the hallways are obviously dressing rooms. I assume most of the actual “high tech facility” stuff was shot on a set.
DO NOT GRAB HAND GRENADES AND HEAD TO THE CDC BTW
I realized when I was watching it that might’ve not been the best thing to say 😂
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We do a little trolling
IN MINECRAFT IN MINECRAFT
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what am i supposed to do with these grenades then
The CDC episode hit different for me. It had a depth to it. It's really the only time where the "enemy" of the show isn't random human settlements and gangs or walkers, the enemy is hopelessness in this episode. Jenner wants to blow them all up because he is out of hope, if the group runs out of hope, they never break out of there and just commit suicide, I'm pretty sure the black woman (I forget her name) chooses to end her own life despite of all of it.
It's a great episode.
Jacqui was her name.
Sassy black laundry lady was her title
I would say the first episode with a human group antagonist is Vatos, when Rick, Daryl, Glenn, and T-Dog encounter a group of Hispanic survivors protecting the elderly residents of a group home while retrieving Rick’s bag of guns from Atlanta. Obviously that conflict resolved peacefully but it was the first time inter-group conflict appears on the show, and it establishes important themes that appear later.
@ aidanwarren4980 True. Tho sad fun fact. Vatos group got killed and never made it
@@zolod.uchiha5102 they actually had a seen where the group was looking for a place to stay after Jenners, and Glenn suggested the Vatos. But then when they go, Daryl immediately sees that they've been shot and killed by people, and Andrea has a half assed attempt at mocking him, only to backfire
I think it was a good thing. Since Rick wasn't around for the beginning, neither were we. We got so much information about the infection and how the walkers work. I always appreciated that knowledge, especially when the spin-offs and games have characters that seem to think the walkers are more than the walking corpses they are.
honestly yeah i agree
I kind of like those few hints we get that there actually might be more the walkers than simply walking corpses
Gives it a bit more depth and makes us question just how much the CDC actually knew
It’s a great setup before Hershel and the farm, as we as viewers and the gang know, for certainty, that walkers are dead. Deceased. They aren’t sick. So we don’t have to consider Hershel’s opinions and can focus on the dynamic of either accepting his craziness to live amongst them (Rick’s plan) or to expose it for the false idea that it truly is (Shane’s plan).
I don’t think so. It doesn’t say anything too shocking apart from “we’re all infected” which pretty much everyone finds out anyway just by living. It did open the door for more storylines about testing the virus and finding a cure
Which they never followed up on until now 😂
Zombie stories don't need that though.
i read thjis in charles voice
This episode and plot point about the virus wasn’t really ever supposed to exist. I guess the original creator of the comics never wanted to go into the origins of the virus or cdc or any of that which is why is it wasn’t in the comics. The show runners did though. After this episode was released I guess they came to some sort of agreement they would leave it at that and not go into it anymore. Which is why they only just somewhat recently picked up the plot point again in FTWD
@@billross9132yes because there was shit going on no time for ricks group to do that and frankly they wouldn’t and as soon as Rick gets taken they show more because they don’t have to center right around group for every scene wouldn’t fit show if they did that during all out war or terminus or governor or even the farm. But the farm is the only place I could have seen them find a little something the show had it’s own big plot there was no time to really do that. And I’m happy they mad it the end game for walking dead
i actually really like how genner mentioned france. it gave me a lot of room for speculation especially regarding the latest spinoff
I don't even class daryl Dixon as a spin off tbh the walking dead fell off hard but i actually enjoyed the walking dead:daryl Dixon unlike the later seasons of the main series
That’s definitely true but what we got from France when we finally got to see what happened there is practically nothing related to what Jenner said which is a shame. What we got from the Darryl spinoff if is some weird ass group full of nutjobs that don’t originate from the french version of the CDC that experiment on walkers and control people, a child that is believed to be immune and so on and oh all of sudden the wildfire virus in the wiki is now originated in France apparently which is just stupjd
It sure took them a long ass time regarding France but hear we are!
@@liamphibiait took them 5 seasons to get out of a single state. When I was watching it than I had a feeling I may never get to see it in the main show but in something like FTWD
I think the point of this episode was basically “there’s no going back…” so now the survivors have to find a way to make a life in the new world, instead of clinging to hope of the old world.
The amount of foreshadowing in this episode is insane, Jenner basically predicted everything that was going happen especially when told Rick "the day will come when you won't be" after he said he was grateful kinda gives me chills now that i think about it
The Name of Season 7's first episode is based on Jenner's exact quote too btw
@@goldene8064such a perfect detail for them to remember
18 Miles Out is one of my favorite episodes to rewatch. The dynamic between Rick and Shane, the brutal fight, creepy Randall, Shane thinking Rick had abandoned him in the bus to the joyous moment that he sees Rick pull up to get him, all the way to the end of the episode, as Shane sees the same lone walker in the field that he saw on the way 18 Miles out. Very symbolic of what was to come.
I don't think he was joyous. He knew Rick wanted to abandon him but couldn't.
Yeah that’s one of my favorites. I’ve only watched up to the middle of season 7, but 18 miles out is definitely in my top 3 episodes.
@@remphz3321 I didn’t say that Shane was joyous. I said the moment (for us viewers) was joyous. Most fans, at least at that exact point, didn’t want to see Shane dead. Not yet. Hell, I didn’t want to see Shane dead until Shane literally gave Rick no other choice.
who tf actually thought Randall was creepy 😂
If you pause your video at 8:13, that’s a beautiful shot of the cast at that point. And it’s crazy that only 3 of them are still in the show at this point.
But in the later seasons Carol, Maggie and Daryl have crazy plot armor. It feels like they’re not survivors anymore like in the earlier seasons, now they’re just superhumans who win every fight and every gunfight
I think given the constant change of direction in The Walking Dead Universe, they didn't play their hand too early. The writers had a different direction, mainly Frank Darabont. He envisioned the implementation of variants during the early stages of production. Due his leave, they had to pick up the pieces and decided to shift towards more of the "people are more dangerous than the walkers" route. Obviously, people would still be dangerous in Darabont's iteration, but he would've further elaborated on the dangers of walkers in my opinion. That being said, the groundwork was laid out for a potential cure that they could explore in France.
The real question is if Darabont remained, how do you think the show would've differed?
I’d think it would be more cinematic. I loved the first season, the way it was filmed (style of filming), plus it felt more realistic, imo. I really loved this episode cause of love for science and seeing what CDC was like.
Don't wanna discredit the other show writers but imo if Frank stayed th show would've been as highly praised as bb
Thze show would've been much better with Darabont
The show wouldn't have spiraled into the absolute shit show that it became had Darabont stayed on. Granted, it wasn't his choice to leave.
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I like to imagine another universe where Frank is the lead writer/showrunner but with HBO instead of AMC.
The look on Andy Lincoln’s face as Jenner is telling him what we would come to know- absolutely fucking perfect. Andrew Lincoln acts with his eyes and those eyes are so emotive!
Check out some of his other roles before TWD, he's an incredible actor. I think his work in After Life is so underrated.
His best acting eyes are after Negan kills Abraham and Glenn. That drive back when it zooms in on his eyes, you see so much emotion. Incredible acting
I like the hints earlier in the episode about the fuel shutdown… the “go easy on the hot water” line stand out because they use electric in line heaters and will use up the last of the power very quickly…
I'd like to point out that in the flashback scene, people say that Shane put his head to Rick chest and was heartbroken that he couldn't feel a heartbeat.
But I think itd make more sense that he did feel a heartbeat and was so disraught because he knew he'd have to leave his best friend behind knowing he was still alive. I know he tells Lori that he didn't feel one, but its still fun to think about. It's probably setting Rick up to be immune. He died and was reanimated only he came back as himself and not a walker.
This would be a great idea for the finale of twd but didn't come out how we would've wanted hopefully it looks into in we're the ones who live
Lol probably not
That's SUPER INTERESTING WTF. I doubt that's what it is, but it's a nice theory
rick being immune gives him more importance than he should have. he's just a survivor, not the last chance of salvation for humanity.
@@jaski4022 True
Considering that TS-19 was Robert Kirkman's black sheep episode back in the day, and thus quickly forgotten by many, I'm kinda glad it's been playing a part in the spin-offs, makes it relevant again.
Black sheep?
@@DabigJKPsycho Mantis?
I like this because they had every excuse possible to just pretend it never happened. Im certain most shows would have too
Season 1 is still the only season that I can watch from beginning to end and feel satisfied that the time was well spent. This was a superb way to end the season. To be honest, I haven't watched the Maggie and Negan nor Daryl shows. Maybe I will when Carol joins him? I'm looking forward to closure; the conclusion of the Rick/Michonne story. I hope they are reunited with whomever is left from the first 3 seasons and the kids.
The Daryl show is actually pretty good. Dead City, just a reoccurring theme of the later seasons of TWD
@@ellieb1812 I can vouch for that, Daryl spinoff pretty good, Dead city season 2 is looking promising aswell
@@CatolineButigendude... don't internet anymore, yeah?
Spoiler for the Daryl Dixon Show:
Well Carol came back in the season finale of the Daryl spinoff😊
Daryl show is very refreshing. Has a more cinematic quality and little to no filler. Nothing really groundbreaking, but well done
When they got out of terminus and carol brought them back to meet tyrese and Judith. That was also a super happy moment
came to comment this, that was some great television
Carl eating spaghetti
@@skipthegames4237 And I fed him spaghetti!
Psycho deadbeat carl finally biting the dust was my happiest moment
I love this episode because I took the whole thing as them in Limbo or purgatory (having so much happiness but also so much sadness). When the doors open to the facility it’s super bright like what is described when you die with the bright light and all. They are told when they get in they stay in and that’s that. Rick and everyone start to have their own things going on like Shane trying to speak with Lori, Andrea and Dale, Rick and Jenner all confronting different types of demons. When they find out everything about the facility it comes down to Jenner saying that them dying would be quick and painless and how it is most likely the best option in the apocalypse. While most of the others wanted to leave and live even though they were told that isn’t much of a life anymore. But Rick argues that something is better than nothing and all they want is a choice. Jenner finally lets the ones who want to go out go. All them wanting to live or die for different reasons. Andrea feels she has nothing and lost it all meaning she has no purpose. Dale doesn’t want to die, but he doesn’t wanna leave Andrea alone cause he wants to help her so he’s willing to die with her but did get her to leave. Jenner stayed because he felt living in that world was a worse fate than dying an instantaneous death. Jacqui felt it was sane to stay and die because she wasn’t built for that type of world and considering the state of things it was the most humane way to die because of how quick and painless it is. Carol wants to live so she can protect her daughter and Lori I’m sure wants the same thing for Carl Including Rick. Shane Probably wanted to live so he could have Lori and Carl. The ones who left found reasons to live and the ones who stayed found reasons to die. Rick thanks Jenner but Jenner wasn’t going to let Rick leave ignorant about it and replied with the name of the episode glenn and Abe die. “The day will come when you won’t be”. He then informs Rick more about the Virus and how it works to what he knew. The reaction Rick gave was that of someone who discovered no hope to a situation where they to their core believed there was hope. Rick was so stunned Lori even had to help pull him away because he was so stunned. Rick and the others leaving not realizing that in the grand scheme of it all Jenner went through far less Pain,Regret,Sorrow than anyone else would. There was no right answer it was a simple matter of pick your poison. It was also a matter of “put yourself into this situation, what is the choice you would pick”. At that point in time it’s easy to say live, but then you get all the way up to season 8 or even just Negan and you have to ask yourself again would you have been better off dying back at the CDC. I feel like you’re supposed to ask you self that after each event major event. They did play cards too early IMO because some connections didn’t show back up until like a few years ago maybe not even and they were short and small plus you would have to remember this episode to understand or even remember what happens with connecting stuff later on. But I feel that to get the feeling the episode gave me it had to go that way. I really do hope Jenner has a full and proper connection with the Daryl show eventually cause that is without a doubt their best opportunity for it.
This is gold. Thanks buddy
Bro gave us and entire essay💀
you put my thoughts into words lol and im sure we’ve all put ourselves in the situation of that scene and I’ve always said that i would have more then likely stayed, not that im not built for that world but just think about how you would end up dying eventually and more then likely in a horrific way, the world is over and even though rick said death has always been there regardless, atleast you had the option to go out without sufferibg
i ain’t reading allat😭🙏‼️
Facts. When Jenner mentioned France, I knew it would have some importance to it later on and they’re using it in the form of a spin-off. You can look at it from both sides tho. Yes they played their cards too early, and no they didn’t. Yes because now TWD has to come up with great ideas to keep the show interesting, and like u said, you would have to remember this episode later on as reference for the show to make sense. And no because now as the viewer, you develop a deeper liking for each character as they embark on a journey to survive knowing that there’s nothing out there. You feel as though you don’t want anything bad to happen to each character in the following episodes, but when it inevitably does, it hits you in such an emotionally dissatisfying way lol.
The way the episode frames the CDC as this perfect place only for it to steadily break down kind of mimics the effect the virus has on TS-19’s brain. It starts off beautiful and vibrant, every part of it fully functional and working only for those necessary functions to steadily fail and become a shell of its former self. The lights literally went out, just like TS-19
The fact is Jenner could have been so depressed that he lied about France or other things just to get them to die with him.
he was still a scientist. who hadn't seen people in at least a month. I bet he wanted to tell them everything he could. If you've ever been isolated, its not hard to think he would say everything he knew. especially because i don't think he truly wanted to lock them in with him. he locked the doors to keep them from running so he could tell them the rest.
especially after seeing how the other people in the cdc "opted out". Maybe he expected them to want that way out.
One of my favorite episodes. It’s the perfect ending to season 1, laying out the central themes that would power the show to the very end. Kirkman is crazy for wanting to cut it.
The trip to the CDC replaced the group spending the night at a gated community, where I guess Jacqui would have just been killed by walkers. How on earth would that have been a better finale?
TS-19 is one of the best episode of the show! Gives me chills and makes me cry every time. 💛
I like the mystery it added because even watching this episode back in 2010 i wanted to know more about France and the world at large and it made the world feel so much bigger even in a relatively tiny setting for the time, which i still feel to this day. Its why the mexico segmentw of fear were so intriguing (beyond actual good writing) and why the norman reedus show feels so refreshing today
I love in the CDC when they're all drinking and Daryl says "you keep drinking, I wanna see how red your face can get!", he was getting so comfortable with the group, such good moments
Carl takes a sip of wine, but look at the glass Sofia has. That's the real plot twist in this episode.
😂😂😂
Sophia is a drunk! I mean with her father being Ed I wouldn’t be surprised if she was exposed to alcohol a lot as a child. Maybe in Season 2 when she goes missing she finds alcohol and gets drunk which impairs her judgement so she doesn’t go back to the highway and her drunken state caused her to get bit. That would be an interesting and funny theory! Otis could smell the stench of alcohol all over that strange child Walker when putting her into the barn.
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@@Kingofportals you should play d&d with that level of descriptive detail, no joke.
@@Kingofportalsthat’s funny, accusing a child of being an alcoholic😂.
I don't recall the characters really mentioning Jenner or his findings, ever again in the later season. I remember being very pissed off at Andrea for not telling the Governor that his daughter was already dead and the corpse he was trying to restore, is not her. Andrea knew about what Jenner said, and she saw footage of the zombification process too. And as Jenner puts it, The person bitten is, "Just a shell driven by mindless instinct" That was something the Governor should've been told. Would it have made a difference? Maybe, maybe not. But we never know
Governor was in complete denial and already mad, he kept a bunch of walker heads in jars for no good reason than his own entertainment. He knew his daughter wasn't coming back, especially when he knows the walkers can exist with just a head.
That's not Andrea's fault. Governor was already losing his mind and wouldn't have accepted the fact that she was dead, he refused to listen despite seeing it himself.
This is honestly one of the best and most grounded episodes in the show.
The enemy is hopelessness, knowing that the best and brightest, those who could’ve fixed this, have long perished.
Hot take: The best zombie apocalypse stories don't ever have an origin for the virus, they simply throw a bunch of speculative ideas around, from nature, to government conspiracy, to aliens or some sort of paranormal stuff.
The lack of a conclusive answer helps with the immersion of the initial idea for what the modern zombie is based on: the idea of it being an emergency disaster. Everyone has presumptions, nobody has answers, and finding answers is something to wait until the crisis is over with. It mimics how catastrophies across the globe always go, and it works for both the viewer and the people in the movie, as the viewer,much like a spectator viewing the disaster from a different state will speculate and blame, the person in the movie will have to endure regardless, and while the question might cross their mind, trying to survive is still the primary goal.
When an answer is given, this kind of goes out the window from the viewer's perspective and you're left with ONLY people trying to survive, and there's less overall to work with, because no longer do you have more ways to add natural conversation for the survivors to talk about that allude to the origins (thus fueling speculation) but the viewer will feel as though they know the answer to a question everyone is asking, and feel frustrated whenever the topic is broached in the show. It forces the show to just accept the details as a normal part of life, which at first sounds good, but when they accept it as the new normal, the disaster aspect vanishes. It NEEDS to feel like a freak occurrence. Something that, in theory, can be fixed down the line. Otherwise the story just plods along.
interesting take, i think it's very closely related to the idea that usually the scariest monsters are the ones you know the least about / see the least in a movie
This is the best comment. This is exactly how I feel and I agree with everything you said. I think having an origin story was better for developing a liking towards each character. It made it to where you felt as if there were truly no hope and u just didn’t wanna see anyone die. But it definitely made it harder for the show to come up with new and fresh ideas to keep the show interesting.
Basic take.
Basic take.
The CDC didn’t know where the walker virus came from, just how it works…that’s it, the science behind it. Which is information we needed as the viewer, and for the group.
One thing they definitely dropped from the first season is the walkers still having some sort of intelligence. For example the kids mom who tried to open the door.
That was cause Frank Darabont no longer worked on the seasons past halfway through Season 2. Frank Darabont had alot of ideas and aspirations to make the Walkers more than just fleshy generic beat sticks that the gang roll through in droves, they were supposed to have flashbacks and buildup to them which is why the Purple Suit Walker had an odd amount of screen time. The Tank Walker (played by Sam Witwer) Rick kills was supposed to have a full flashback to the war in Atlanta to show how he ended up in there for example.
But pretty much all of his ideas for Season 2 got cut as well as Franks budget which is not only why he left but also a very likely cause of why Dale died when he did since the actor that played Dale was friends with Frank and they went on to work on a different movie together
@@xvoidxhunter2129 my head cannon in universe is the more intelligent zombies were the ones more likely to find humans thus be more likely to be killed.
Also people might skip a random zombie, but seeing one trying to use doors or climbing over a fence would have survivors think "yeah we should kill this one"
Imagine hiding as a sniper perfectly secure and out of sight popping a few zombies and one is...just staring at you. There is no way they could know you were there and then you notice it starts keeping out of sight from all your angles you have...that zombie would definitely be a KOS over a hundred randomly roaming ones. Now there are less humans to kill them off so that's why they have been showing up.
Best episode of the entire show. Really cemented the massive success of the first season.
Scott Gimple would’ve made 1.5 seasons in the CDC.
With the characters just looking at each saying “we ain’t dead” “we ain’t them”
My biggest question is how beautiful and unique TWD could have been had Frank Darabont stayed.
Biggest what if in the series
I really love the 6 episode format for the Walking Dead. It feels just perfect and I like how the Spin offs are doing the same
It really helps keep the pacing going without meaningless filler
Actually ts 19 is a great episode, one of my favorites
Nope, that was pushing plot lines along at a reasonable clip. If only all other plots were addressed in a more reasonable and expedient manner.
Yeah, i agree, after season 3 i cant really remember anything that happens until negan shows up, then again i dont remember what happens.
@@dontpokethekennydon't blame your incompetence on the show when it's your fault to begin with
One of my favorite episodes bc it took any hope away that there was still government somewhere or a cure would be coming. It felt like the characters went from swimming in shallow waters to the middle of the ocean. The old society is dead and not coming back. The symbolism of the failure of the cdc was strong for the story overall
to be fair it felt pretty natural hearing this, and it is only revealed to rick in 1x06, we learn about it in 2x13. but knowing if you die not from a walker but still turn grounded the series in a good way. if we didnt get that they would be a lot more limited with what they could do.
Man, this episode is so sad if you see 7x01
The " the day will come when you won't be " phrase is so sad if you compare the happinees of everybody in the 1x06 and the sadness of everybody in 7x01
I would like you to cover The Walking Dead Season 2 Episode 1 What Lies Ahead next, it was an extremely impactful first episode of a Season, a herd of Walkers on the highway nearly wiped out the group, Sophia went missing and died off screen with a large and fruitless search for her beginning, Carl was shot in that episode at the end, and Rick began his journey as the group’s leader heading gradually into the darker direction he would end up later on. It was towards the end of his Officer Friendly days.
That’s true. After the CDC episode, you get the “where do we go from here” feeling.
Pretty cool how the Negan kill episode is named after Jenner's statement to Rick in this episode that he would regret being spared.
I always thought it was such a shame that they killed off Jenner so quickly. He's an awesome actor. The first season was amazing. Up to about season 4 or 5. I miss it so much
I agree with you!
If you haven’t done a breakdown of it already, I’d really like to see you do one on the episode “Them”. I feel like it was really cool seeing the group survive in the wild with no real shelter and it was really visceral and realistic.
what season in TWD is this episode in?
Great episode. One of the best from the mothership. I'd still love to see you cover something from the first three seasons of Fear. I guarantee you'll appreciate the writing from those seasons.
Everyone misses the biggest mistake in this episode. Everyone being infected means that humanity can not outlast the virus. You could restart civilization on an island with no walkers and one person dying in their sleep could start an outbreak.
We would adapt. We would develop new cultural rituals and traditions to counter it.
Like, one of the most likely reasons why our ancestors began burying their dead hundreds of thousands of years ago was probably to prevent the dead body from spreading disease and attracting predators. And now, hundreds of thousands of years later, burying the dead is pretty much instinctual.
Similar things would arrise. Whether that's developing a ritual around isolating a person once they reach a certain age then just waiting for them to die naturally before destroying their brain or maybe even just straight up systematically executing the old and sick once they begin to show signs that they're going to die.
Maybe, after enough generations, a combination of the zombie virus becoming less lethal and humans becoming more resistant will make it so that it's much less of a threat. There's no point trying to add logic to TWD's zombie virus though because it's literally some black magic voodoo shit. I like the idea that heaven and hell are full, and so the dead have nowhere to go.
@@Dushmann_ No, the covid outbreak proved that we can't even handle the body counts from a disease with a .06% mortality rate. Also, diseases evolve faster in asymptomatic hosts... which would be the entire surviving WD population.
Don't write me any more high school essays that ignore the fact that almost every piece of undead fiction, from vampires to zombies, actively avoid stepping into the logical cow patty that is an unstoppable infection spreading exponentially.
@@Dushmann_ I'll add that other diseases didn't magically go away in the WD timeline. In their living conditions, a potent flu outbreak could wipe out an entire settlement IF THE DEAD RESSURECTED AND STARTED ATTACKING PEOPLE.
@@Dushmann_I don’t think humans would become resistant. Viruses mutate and get stronger. That’s why a new flu shot is administered every year. I think there’s still an upside tho. You’re on the right track. Humans would eventually figure something out.
Here's the thing while this is a stretch we have no idea if the younger ones (anybody that was born after the outbreak like judeth) will reanimate
They might have some sort of resistance and if they died they would not reanimate
More that they didn't really have a firm direction for the show at that point than "too early" necessarily
it didn't play cards too early its just the fact that Darabonts narrative and direction of the show changed when he was gone and the new directors altered where the story was going to go and thats it.
love that resident evil code veronica save room music
Jesus Christ, this 15 minute video had like 3 minutes of unique content in it with the rest just being a scene for scene recap of the episode.
the lowest form of content
Really loved this episode and when RIck was told one day he wouldn't it sent shivers down my spine. Admittedly it began unravelling some thread for the future that muddy the waters but overall was a great way to end season 1 and setting up future plot points.
The most 2010 TV budget explosion 😂
Man when Frank Darabont was writing this show it was top tier
I actually appreciate that they "played their cards" this early, so to speak: a lot of shows try to keep mystery alive so much that they run themselves in senseless circles that don't make sense. By defining the virus early, the entire universe has this moment to turn back to and therefore can't make themselves go completely out of hand without retconning it altogether. I think of shows like Pretty Little Liars or Supernatural where certain mysteries put the writers in an endless annoying loop that got tiresome.
TS-19 is probably my second favorite episode of season 1 after “Tell It To The Frogs”. I think this was a great analysis, I really do love these TWD videos and always look forward to them. 18 Miles Out is also my favorite S2 episode so definitely looking forward to that as well. Idk if you’ve finished reviewing S6 but I think an analysis of “The Same Boat” would be cool to see in one of the next uploads
Dude your walking dead videos are so good, I just finished watching the the last 5 seasons after dropping the show, and I've watched so many of your vids
Just rewatched the first season. Still one of my favorite pilots.
You could argue that the scene with Rick, Carl, Beth and Hershel farming is the happiest scene in TWD.
Really love theses kinds of video’s and how you really get into detail and depth. I would love to see you review TWD 4x6 (Live Bait) and here your opinion on the Rise & Fall of The Governor. And him potentially having a redemption arc but his greed & obsession with revenge & power really prove that he was to far gone. I’d also love to see you do a character analysis on Arthur Morgan from RDR2 like you did with Joel from The Last Of Us > just a suggestion
for me the show ended when rick fought negan. i finished every season and spin off and that is still my head canon. rick killed negan and the show ended
The problem wasn't that it was revealed. The problem is they never followed up.
Because they got rid of frank
I don’t believe they gave too much away. It explained what we were all asking. It wasn’t a clear definitive answer but something to go off at the very least.
One of the most underrated episodes
TS-19 is my favorite episode of Season 1, along with Days Gone Bye
The day will come when you wont be
I don’t think so. Because frank darabont was the series show runner and he had his own vision and plan.
Wish he was still around on twd. Would be epic!! When did he leave after season 2 right?
i just finished TWD and bro...
there is a hole left in its place. the show was part of my life for the last 10 years
1:40 "decides to wake up" had me rolling 💀
Lol right? Like it was a conscious decision
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I dont know about how everyone feels, but the stories involving the fall really captivates me.
Holy shit I’m in the middle of rewatching right now and I’m in this episode beautiful timing
The soldier not double tapping the unconscious man in the hospital bed is the reason the world was so easily overrun.
NO HALF MEASURES
At season 8, I think TS-19 didn't really hurt the series much. It still had a lot of mysteries lingering, even revealed info by the end of the next season. One thing IS true that the Zombies themselves don't bring the same mysterious feel all the time, which would be obvious for a rich and long story like this.
I said it on another video, but I think what made this episode so great is, besides a nice little peak into the wildfire virus, is Noah Emmerich’s performance. You can truly believe he’s a man wracked by grief, despair, and guilt. You truly believe he had to watch someone he loved essentially die twice. You truly believe he feels guilt that he couldn’t figure it all out and save humanity.
And when you learn ts-19 was Jenner’s wife, it makes his line of “an extraordinary one” when he shows the group the mri, hit even harder.
I fully believe TWD didn’t play it’s cards too early. It simply set them up in a way that kept you guessing what the next card is going to be. It didn’t show them all at once
I completely agree with you. I think everyone talks too little about Noah Emmerich, "ala Edwin Jenner," about his performance and role in history
Honestly it engraved very early on the hopelessness of the situation, which the main TWD series relied on for A LOT of the first half of the show so yeah I’d say it was worth it
as short as it was, the scene of the group in the heavy rain after being on the road for so long is definitely one of the happiest scenes to me
You know it’s a good day when good old Thrifty drops another fantastic episode analysis! You rock! Thank you so very much!
Love these episode videos so I will comment a new episode every time I watch one. You should cover “Arrow on the Doorpost” episode in season 3. It’s the one where Rick and the governor have a sit down and would love to hear your thoughts on it.
I LIKE this episode. I really like it! I really agree that the dinner scene was one of the warmest and most "family-friendly" of all seasons. I also agree that if the events had taken place in later seasons, the band would have spent much more time there, which I would really like to see! (actually, it's kind of like my Roman empire - to think what if it were like that). I also really liked Dr. Jenner, even though he was on the screen for only one episode. at the end of the episode, when it was already clear that Edwin wasn't going anywhere, I REALLY wanted him to go. I don't know, I really didn't want him to die like that. In general, yes, "TS-19" is one of my favorite episodes
Love the Resident Evil Save Room Theme music later in the video, always a beautiful sound
Ohhhh that’s creepy 🤣🤣
The French were close to a cure and now we see a kind of immune kid in Daryl's show which takes place in France.
He's not immune though. His mother died during child birth, but no antibodies would be created. If he was immune, then literally all kids born would be immune under the same fashion, because the virus is in everyone. His mother turning doesn't mean anything, all that simply happened was the umbilical cord blocked the virus from transferring, but that doesn't make him immune either. How the virus works is everyone has the base version, and when they die it mutates into the zombie version. That's because it was designed by french scientists to basically keep people "alive" even after they die, so that they have time to fix whatever the medical issue is, whether it's a heart attack or whatever else. So it keeps the cells from going into a programmed death state and uses genetic tricks to keep them powered/functioning. It's basically designed to "activate" when it senses conditions like that. So that happened to his mother, but the umbilical cord blocked it from happening to him. So the only thing to glean from it is that the umbilical cord does stop the virus from transferring to babies, but he will naturally get infected by other living people, because everyone is a carrier, and it wouldn't make him immune to being bit either. So in the end he's no different than anyone else, and not immune at all. They're merely using him as someone to rally around for hope.
I just wrote an essay about the zombie motf in The Walking Dead and argued that in the first seasons the walkers still had an uncanny feeling attached to them bcs they were very ambivalent figures. That is due to the fact that, as a creature which is placed between being alive and dead, the characters still had struggles when dealing with them. An especially good example for that would be The Governor who treats his daughter as if she's still alive (of course, here comes into play that he is a psychopath and was not capable to process his daughter's death in a healthy grieving process). In the progress of the plot - which is only natural, thus not a critic - the walkers became more and more background scenery in the sense that they were just soulless creatures which the characters slaughtered over and over again. I think this episode is so strong, among other things, because the undeads are still a mysterium and Rick and his group are still getting their head around this new phenomenon.
Can you make a video analysis on the episode “Nebraska” I feel like that’s what kind of helped shape Rick into the leader he became and kind of what made Rick become the leader in the end
Again, loved this analysis.
If your stuck on episodes 5x09 is a good one (What Happened and What’s going on). Or maybe some more season 10 or 11 episodes, like 11x13: warlords and 11x14: the rotten core.
The moment Carol saved them t terminus and took them back to see Judith and Tyrese alive.
There was a happy moment at Gabriel's church after terminus. They were eating and discussing going to DC.
In Alexandria during the welcome party. They all seemed happy there too.
There were many moments
After the World Beyond scene with Jenner, I really hope that he becomes like an invisible antagonist in the series. Like his decisions influence the story more from now on.
I see you with the Code Veronica safe room theme 😉
It definitely would have been cooler and more mysterious if they had not talked about what was happening in other countries. Going the whole of the series without knowing, and then maybe revealing in the end that some countries were actually safe would be a very cool ending to the show.
I think Nebraska would be a fantastic episode to cover. Sneaky underrated episode. One of my favorites in the whole series.
I haven't seen the spinoffs because they're not out yet in my country but to me the problem is more "we can't write what we want because the show was going another way first" rather than "we got to the conclusions too early and now we can't milk our universe". The walking dead, at least from how i see it, was and should still be about how the people adapted to an apocalypse, and not about finding the cure to a virus. They got to Ts19 so early so it wouldn't be something to worry about later and it wouldn't be a whole show of them going around labs to find a cure (if you're looking for a series like that "the last ship" is the perfect thing btw)
I'm kinda glad they played their cards this early. It became a localized disease and made it kind of impossible for them to do something insane later on an bring in aliens or something as an explanation. When I watched it for the first time, i really liked this episode and I still do. Personally, I think it's a really good explanation and it leaves enough for story growth and defines some of the limits for the disease as it relates to the story as well.
Love you're videos man. Still think you should do a How S8 finale could have been the Series finale. It basically is for how different S9-11 are.
Carol saving everyones azz since season 1.
I think an episode that should definitely be covered is s5e10 “them” in my opinion it’s the best/strongest episode of the entire series and while the grove is my favorite i can honestly say I’d probably rather watch this one.
Yes, but it lead to one of my favorite long running jokes when watching TWD of saying, "But the CDC tho" throughout all of the early seasons.
tbf we based everything on what Jenner knows(at the time) is true. maybe the compound he was in contact with in France fell, but doesn't mean all of it did or places that fell in the past didn't bounce back. Most countries would be focusing on themselves than reaching out to neighbors or even across the globe....because what good would finding survivors 10,000km away actually do?
It's one of my favorite changes from the comics.
i think this episode is really what helped establish TWD as a big show though. the other episodes were cool because they were the beginning of a zombie outbreak, this episode is the characters actively choosing if they want to fight to live and suffer or just die peacefully.
I would like to see a "What If" series based on the Telltale Walking Dead games. I know that in a previous episode you mentioned that you're still playing through season 1.
I know that these videos are quite popular with the Walking Dead TV show as well as other series like Breaking bad & Game of Thrones, and to my knowledge the game hasn't been done. For example, you could do one like " What if Lee convinced Glen to stay with the Motor Inn group in Ep1. Just a thought, love your videos
I remember when I first watched the show and this episode made it all the more scary because it showed there was almost no way that we would get back to the way things were. What I like about TWD is that is shows believable reactions to the apocalypse, you keeping fighting you lots hope etc, and Jenner thinking in the end makes a lot of sense even if it’s not what everyone would do
When the rain started falling after and they all just took a moment to enjoy it and fill up their bottles . That was another happy scene
As someone from Georgia, I always found it amusing how they tried to pass off the Cobb Energy Center (a performance venue) as the CDC. Sure the exterior looks vaguely similar to the CDC building, but to my eyes the lobby is clearly intended for lines of theatergoers and red carpet events while some of the hallways are obviously dressing rooms. I assume most of the actual “high tech facility” stuff was shot on a set.
A Video On Ezikiel Would Be Cool. Or A Video On When Rick And Daryl Meet Jesus