Fixing a TERRIBLE Australian Spider Chart

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  • @PrisPrivate
    @PrisPrivate 11 місяців тому +35

    Back with another banger I see? This same spider chart was repurposed for the United States as well, which ended up being even worse as they not only included the hobo spider in the deadly category (which for an American spider chart, honestly has no reason to be there in the first place, as even the medically significant spiders here are most definitely not fatal), but they also forgot to even change the other two categories… I wonder how many people think that mouse spiders live in the us and that all the argiope spiders are a “saint Andrew’s cross” lmao…

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +5

      Yeah I’ve seen the US-modified version. Obviously went with addressing the Australian one cause that’s what I’m most familiar with though.

    • @craigpater6278
      @craigpater6278 11 місяців тому

      ​@@BugsandBiology you might know the answer to this question, I'm curious to know if it is true that white tailed spiders do not deserve their reputation for being dangerous ? I actually got bitten by a white tailed spider myself at home at my unit and it really didn't do much to me. I had an itchy lump on my leg for a few days next to where I got bitten, but apart from that I was fine and I had absolutely no reaction at all to the bite.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      @@craigpater6278They don’t deserve their reputation, as stated in this video and the one in which I took an intentional bite.

    • @craigpater6278
      @craigpater6278 11 місяців тому

      @@BugsandBiology that's what I thought would be the case I didn't get around to watching this whole video before I asked you about white tailed spiders, but I thought that it might be the case that white tailed spiders do not deserve their reputation for being dangerous. Is it possible that there might be a small percentage of people who develop a severe anaphylaxis or allergic reaction to white tailed spider bites ?. Honey bee stings are not usually dangerous to healthy adults , but a small percentage of people have a severe anaphylaxis or allergic reaction to bee stings, so I wondered if it might be the same with white tailed spider bites.

    • @logansorenssen
      @logansorenssen 11 місяців тому

      Even worse, in Europe there is another spider commonly referred to as a "mouse spider" (Scotophaeus blackwalli, a gnaphosid, and neither medically significant nor especially bitey). It doesn't live in the US but other gnaphosids do. So this has folks in the US calling Parson spiders "mouse spiders" and assuming that they're dangerous. Foo!

  • @michaelhewish5777
    @michaelhewish5777 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for the information! Always thought Huntsman spiders were fine until I was about 5 or 6 years old. Put my hand under a rail on a 35 degree day in Australia. Spider thought I was trying to squish it so it bit my finger. About 10 minutes after I couldn't breath and my throat closed up. Was rushed to hospital while losing consciousness. Never again will I go near any spider especially without my EpiPen

  • @opstellar
    @opstellar 11 місяців тому +7

    11:19 In America, the 'Daddy Long-Legs' refers to a Harvestman, which is not a spider

    • @theaussiegamer1016
      @theaussiegamer1016 11 місяців тому

      Yeah I think that might be because harvestman aren’t really common here so that’s what we title the cellar spider

    • @minte1972
      @minte1972 10 місяців тому +2

      In the uk it also refers to crane flies which aren't even arachnids :)

    • @carrott36
      @carrott36 6 днів тому

      It may also refer to a couple of types of plant.

  • @southron_d1349
    @southron_d1349 11 місяців тому +4

    I'd prefer to ditch the chart entirely since I don't regard spiders as pests. But it provided a topic for discussion. In any case, is someone really going to call a pest control company to deal with a couple of Huntsman spiders? I wanted to remove an old garden decoration from a wall and when I lifted it, there was a female Huntsman with her babies. So I put it back and left her in peace.
    No, you're not an idiot spreading misinformation about White-tailed Spiders. It has been at least 20 years since the myth of necrosis has been debunked, yet the stupid story won't die.
    As ever, love the footage of the spiders.

  • @panzerfaust3607
    @panzerfaust3607 11 місяців тому +7

    On the last point, maybe including, in small text, the general estimated amount of species in each category. It might help inform people about the relative rarity of truly dangerous spider species. Also, I came from the Prehistoric Planet and Lofe on our Planet reviews, so looking forward to more prehistory-themed videos.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +2

      Come to think of it, that is a very simple and effective solution that I somehow overlooked. Would definitely make it much more evident how massively outnumbered medically significant spiders are.

  • @trainz10
    @trainz10 11 місяців тому +4

    I always considered the notion of the white-tailed spider being classified in the 'DANGEROUS' category a bit of an exaggeration, especially when the observed effects of it's venom don't add up to some those claims people make.

    • @Karbonkage
      @Karbonkage 11 місяців тому

      Checkout my arm hole mate

  • @SoulKiller7Eternal
    @SoulKiller7Eternal 11 місяців тому +5

    Im glad you mentioned the fake daddy long legs, or cellar spiders share that name with another group of arachnids.
    Harvestmen arent spiders but are arachnids. Just...people confuse them with cellar spiders...and the myth is everywhere.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      It’s one of my go-to examples as to why common names are unreliable.

    • @SoulKiller7Eternal
      @SoulKiller7Eternal 9 місяців тому

      @BugsandBiology took me forever to learn the real name of the daddy longlegs. Lol
      People still freak out that ill gladly let em walk all over me.

  • @lasers3062
    @lasers3062 11 місяців тому +3

    Awesome work, thank you.

  • @P.ilhaformosatherium
    @P.ilhaformosatherium 11 місяців тому +2

    I lived in Australia for 2 years. The only spider I got bite by was a huntsman sling The americans are exaggerating Spider related about Australia

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +2

      Foreigners do tend to overestimate how dangerous Australian wildlife is, but I can’t really blame them for getting that impression when so many Australians share the most ridiculous stories.

    • @P.ilhaformosatherium
      @P.ilhaformosatherium 11 місяців тому

      @@BugsandBiology yeh

  • @andrewstrongman305
    @andrewstrongman305 11 місяців тому +1

    Black House Spiders have tiny fangs, and their bite could hardly be described as painful. Wolf spiders are slightly larger, but their bite is less painful than a bull ant sting. Neither belongs in the Painful category. Huntsman spiders have much larger fangs, so a bite would be quite painful. As mentioned though, no spider will bite a human unless it feels provoked.

    • @carrott36
      @carrott36 6 днів тому

      Severe pain has been included in the symptoms of black house and wolf spiders in some cases, although wolf spiders generally cause mechanical harm, with Isbister et al. stating that only members of the genus Tasmanicosa actually envenomate.

  • @billmcnugget3169
    @billmcnugget3169 2 місяці тому

    What spider is at 3:00? We just saw one outside our house

  • @geoffallert1921
    @geoffallert1921 11 місяців тому +1

    It would be good to see your version of the spider chart available for sale. Makes a lot more sense than labelling something as deadly when it is clearly not. Cheers mate.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      I do have plans on creating original spider ID charts. Just gotta do the illustrations.

    • @geoffallert1921
      @geoffallert1921 11 місяців тому

      @@BugsandBiology I'll keep an eye out for it. Cheers, mate.

    • @OvertakeGT
      @OvertakeGT 11 місяців тому

      @@BugsandBiologyI love your spider illustration drawings, they will look great on your chart.

  • @beclouise8686
    @beclouise8686 11 місяців тому +3

    Im glad to hear that the paleo content seems to be doing well and I look forward to them as its a subject I know quite little on and have been deep diving into learning, so more content, especially from creators like yourself that I have respect for, is always welcomed!
    I really do enioy the spider content too though as theres just such little education out there on what these animals are all about. Plus the huntsman footage is always mesmerising to watch 😍

  • @bio-plasmictoad5311
    @bio-plasmictoad5311 11 місяців тому +1

    The spider with the red was beautiful.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      Indeed!
      That was a Nicodamus species

  • @whitehonky611
    @whitehonky611 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm quite surprised that Illawarra is mentioned on the chart but Illawarra Wisharti wasn't featured. I was of the impression that Wisharti has a venom profile similar to Atrax Robustus, so you'd think that it should've at least have been on the chart, if not the medically significant category then at least potentially painful bite - venomous one.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +3

      I’ll be honest, I forgot all about that genus too.
      Admittedly, it is very obscure and seldom encountered compared to Atrax and Hadronyche.

    • @whitehonky611
      @whitehonky611 11 місяців тому

      Yeah as far as I'm aware it's the only spider of the genus Illawarra. Keep up the great work on your channel. I always look forward to watching your uploads and am a big fan of your dry sense of humour. And your knowledge is awe inspiring for someone of your age.

  • @biancasumfinrandom1653
    @biancasumfinrandom1653 4 місяці тому

    I love your use of the world defensive. When I found out how big funnel webs were I was so surprised. I expected them to be one of the biggest spiders.

  • @RoccoSKE777
    @RoccoSKE777 11 місяців тому +1

    I have come across this channel and now I can learn the best spider facts and not be mistaken and all that brain killing top 10 channels

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      Thanks!
      It can be very difficult to sift through the sea of misinformation out there.

  • @donmac3205
    @donmac3205 2 місяці тому

    3:00 what spider is that?

  • @Imleona
    @Imleona 11 місяців тому

    The white little spider looks like a grumpy old man 🫶🏻

  • @MoreliaAustralia
    @MoreliaAustralia 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for all this info. My wife was bitten on the side of her foot by a White-tailed spider and it was painful for about six months.

  • @JM87Fly
    @JM87Fly 8 місяців тому

    This channel has given me the courage to start free-handling spiders. I don’t go out of my way looking for them and harassing them, but so far I’ve saved a couple of cellar spiders and what I think was a white-tail (but all black colouring?) from my wife’s squashing thong - hardly heroic I know, but you have to start somewhere. Long time before you’d catch me with a huntsman on my head or a golden orb crawling up my arm, but the better understanding this channel provides really does reduce the anxiety. Spiders are fascinating animals ☺️

  • @GrowingDownUnder
    @GrowingDownUnder 10 місяців тому

    Some spiders i'd put in the same category as wolf spiders, white tail and badumna... woodlouse spider, grass spider, water spider and ground spiders

  • @SquirrelDarling1
    @SquirrelDarling1 9 місяців тому

    9:35: ah yes, the Pearl Self Reflecting Spider, such a beautiful and thoughtful arachnid.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  9 місяців тому

      She looks very wise and insightful doesn’t she?

  • @logansorenssen
    @logansorenssen 11 місяців тому +1

    Ugh, yes, this chart drives me nuts!
    I also agree that not mentioning Hadronyche is a significant omission, leading to some foolishness in the other direction - somewhere here on UA-cam is a video of a fellow free-handling a female Hadronyche infensa and provoking a threat display (which is apparently not hard to do with Atracids, but still). He was apparently under the false impression that only Atrax was medically significant.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      I’ve seen that video.
      Admittedly, I’ve held funnel-webs a couple times as well. But doing so as roughly as he did, and implying (judging from his comment replies) that any funnel-web aside from Atrax isn’t deadly is a terrible idea.

    • @griffinc3263
      @griffinc3263 11 місяців тому

      Would you happen to have a link to the video of the person free handling Hadronyche?

  • @mr_cramberry
    @mr_cramberry 11 місяців тому

    Pls make a chart to download/buy for us less informed to use as reference.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +2

      I do plan to. Just don’t get on the edge of your seat waiting for me to stop procrastinating.

  • @Exquailibur
    @Exquailibur 11 місяців тому

    I would just memorize the differences because my brain is a steel trap for info on cool bugs, also I would pick them all up anyways. I would just take varying levels of caution when doings so, I own a lot of tarantulas and even my most defensive ones are really easy to deal with. Spiders are often mostly or completely blind and are not interested in biting in most cases. Spiders are really fragile and cant run very far so most spiders cant fight or flee from the average person effectively so obviously they would be scared. I mean a funnel web is just as vulnerable to a bird as any spider I imagine. Even the few species that are interested in biting dont chase, honestly I would rather be in a room full of sydney funnel webs than in a room with a moose or a bull elk or even an especially angry deer.

  • @funeralgothatoo5814
    @funeralgothatoo5814 11 місяців тому

    This chart is iconic. Lol. I do love the fact it uses illustrations rather than photos.
    Oh and any chance you'd consider putting the Badge Huntsman to the bite test? I'm genuinely curious to know if it really is unique amongst huntsmans in that regard:
    "has a bite that’s known to produce more unpleasant symptoms, including severe localised pain and swelling at the bite site, accompanied by sweating, nausea and vomiting." -Australian Geographic

  • @opstellar
    @opstellar 11 місяців тому +2

    might want to edit 0:19

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +3

      That was a deliberate, albeit rather obscure reference to a moment on Taskmaster.
      In essence, “Shid” is “Shed” pronounced in a New Zealand accent.
      On Taskmaster, one contestant from NZ brought in the fish poster I mentioned, saying it could be found in every shed. And the show’s host briefly mocked her pronunciation of the word.

    • @theaussiegamer1016
      @theaussiegamer1016 11 місяців тому

      @@BugsandBiologyit’s similar to the way the say fesh and cheps instead of fish and chips

  • @jaimeortega4940
    @jaimeortega4940 11 місяців тому

    Good job! I've personally been bitten by both the by the the Eastern Fiddleback and western Fiddleback spiders neither gave me necrotic wounds just weird red concentric circle bites and headaches that went away after a day or two - big deal.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      Interesting!
      Recluses do have venom that can cause necrotic effects, but it seems mild reactions like yours are far more common.

  • @allfunnydogsstories2129
    @allfunnydogsstories2129 11 місяців тому +1

    I’m less scared of spiders than I used to be thanks to wonderful people like you 😊😊😊

  • @colh3127
    @colh3127 11 місяців тому

    Hey mate, this is the exact chart/advertisement I was complaining about that list white-tails as "deadly" on one of your previous vid's! Good on ya for referencing it. The "venomous" listing is hilariously dumb... What a joke of a poster.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      It’s worse when you see just how many people will share this poster and present it as reliable info.

  • @allthingsbegin
    @allthingsbegin 11 місяців тому

    This is extraordinary! So glad to see you back!

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      I am regrettably a big procrastinator.
      Like, I’ll spend weeks overthinking a video, only to have it done and dusted within a couple hours.

  • @everfreebrumby8385
    @everfreebrumby8385 11 місяців тому

    Definitely had that poster on my fridge in the 90s.

  • @jackmellor5536
    @jackmellor5536 11 місяців тому

    Is it true that some of the tree dwelling funnel webs have more toxic venom than the Sydney Funnel Web?

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      I’m not sure when it comes to drop-for-drop potency, but they could definitely inflict a greater quantity of venom in a bite, and do seem to have a higher rate of severe envenomation.

  • @everfreebrumby8385
    @everfreebrumby8385 11 місяців тому

    You’re doing a great job spreading important information about our 8 legged neighbors.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks!
      Definitely feels like an uphill battle at times.

  • @iatethecrayons
    @iatethecrayons 11 місяців тому

    i have horrible arachniphobia from an event when i was younger but i didnt want to be scared anymore so i've decided to learn a bunch about spiders so i can logic my way out of this fear lol

  • @chris-zilla2113
    @chris-zilla2113 11 місяців тому

    Who better than a pest chart to make an informative poster on spiders 🙄. Honestly, good job on fixing it up and making people aware on all of this misinformation playing on peoples fears. It definitely could have fooled me a couple of years back.

  • @wisetoad
    @wisetoad 11 місяців тому

    I thought wolf spiders would be in the lower category with huntsmans.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      Like I said in the video, the line between “painful bite” and “low risk” is very blurry, to the point where I’d say the only two categories necessary are “medically significant” and “low risk”.

  • @cat8324
    @cat8324 11 місяців тому

    I study spiders, and spent my whole childhood picking them up and prodding them. To this day I haven't been bitten once. Normally I hear of people getting bit when they roll over on a spider in bed, or when they get trapped in clothes or boots. In these cases you can't really do anything about it. Basically, if you can see a spider, it's not a threat to you lol.
    P.S., is all your background spider footage from australia, or have you traveled?

  • @stefanostokatlidis4861
    @stefanostokatlidis4861 11 місяців тому

    Why are tarantulas not included? Outside of Australia, we say that Australian tarantulas have a quite strong venom.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +2

      This chart is for the Sydney area, where no tarantulas are present outside captivity.
      And Australian tarantulas aren’t all that venomous, especially when compared to Asian/African ones.

  • @ThePollaton
    @ThePollaton 11 місяців тому

    I always enjoy your content. Intelligent, informative and normally sprinkled with an undercurrent of sarcastic, dry wit. 😂

  • @seanwhitehall4652
    @seanwhitehall4652 11 місяців тому

    "Painful bite"
    Funnel webs and mouse spiders can dry bite and get that title.

  • @felineflixie
    @felineflixie 11 місяців тому

    Another amazing upload from you Jackson. Love ya vids alot. Keep it up. Also one thing. As you said with the atrax spurs not being a distinct feature to them and being on Multiple spiders, wishbone spider also have this and are oftenly confused with them as they have some very similar qualities too, so the spurr thung as you said should definitely not be something to be used to id a funnelweb. Feel like they should tell ppl about this and them more.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      Yeah definitely. Can lead to other spiders being misidentified as funnel-webs, vice versa.
      Honestly there’s a fair few false/unreliable ID features that people often cite when it comes to funnel-webs. Like black colouration and pronounced spinnerets.

    • @felineflixie
      @felineflixie 11 місяців тому

      @@BugsandBiology yes definitely

  • @eroero830
    @eroero830 11 місяців тому

    I'd like to see you take a bite from some medically significant spiders!

  • @ChaoticChip
    @ChaoticChip 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for fixing the chart it is useful for people like me and other Australians

  • @bafl1840
    @bafl1840 11 місяців тому

    Another great video mate 😊

  • @mrbanjofrog
    @mrbanjofrog 11 місяців тому

    Used to have that in my yard

  • @stephaniethebatter7975
    @stephaniethebatter7975 11 місяців тому

    It should also be worth noting which spiders are dangerous to pets. Spiders that are harmless to humans may be deadly to dogs and cats. That is not something that should be ignored.

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      There aren’t really many cases of this. Australian tarantulas are the only noteworthy example, and they’re not present in the region/s this chart was made for.

  • @kimberlygabaldon3260
    @kimberlygabaldon3260 11 місяців тому +2

    Thank you! I always enjoy hearing your informed commentary.

  • @fantomghost6213
    @fantomghost6213 11 місяців тому

    Another great video from the master. Cheers!!

  • @larrymantic2635
    @larrymantic2635 11 місяців тому +2

    Nice, a spider video!

  • @AdventureswithAmbrose
    @AdventureswithAmbrose 11 місяців тому +2

    🕷Great job!

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Ambrose!
      Still gotta see how our footage turned out.

  • @alexisrivas307
    @alexisrivas307 9 місяців тому

    Jumping spiders are the Eunsteins of all the spiders. They do PHYSICS and HETEROLOGY in their head! Anything that has an impact on the outcome e of their jump is considered. Such intelligent creatures.

  • @nikkihuebers
    @nikkihuebers 11 місяців тому

    How the arm

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      Been completely recovered for ages.

    • @nikkihuebers
      @nikkihuebers 11 місяців тому

      That's good coz I think I got bite

  • @58Kym
    @58Kym 11 місяців тому +1

    Very good.

  • @JimD-mb9bh
    @JimD-mb9bh 11 місяців тому

    Great work.

  • @Garbagefly
    @Garbagefly 11 місяців тому +1

    Awesome footage

  • @booglebungler
    @booglebungler 11 місяців тому

    i like to imagine if huntsman spiders could speak they would be british

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому

      Great, now I can’t get that idea out of my head.

    • @booglebungler
      @booglebungler 11 місяців тому

      @@BugsandBiology idk it must be the chelicerae looking like a moustache and the 4 eyes arranged in a row makes huntsman spiders look more goofy then scary

    • @gabriellebragg7097
      @gabriellebragg7097 12 днів тому

      Or a frenchman 😂

  • @amicaaranearum
    @amicaaranearum 10 місяців тому

    New subscriber here - I love spiders.

  • @Moth_of_Yuggoth
    @Moth_of_Yuggoth 11 місяців тому +1

    Hey! Misinformation gang...
    Your pet kitten is more dangerous than a Sydney funnel web!
    1. You're more likely to be scratched by kitty
    2. Thus you're more likely to have adverse effects from the bacteria transferred. Now, put your kitty on a medically significant chart of death! Oh, what's that, you won't? 😒
    *Goes back to play Webbed*

    • @stephaniethebatter7975
      @stephaniethebatter7975 11 місяців тому

      Solution: ALWAYS clean your wounds, whether it be from a white tail spider or a cat. XD

  • @sailorfox4548
    @sailorfox4548 11 місяців тому

    i found this chart an it baffled me

  • @imp3rus
    @imp3rus 11 місяців тому +1

    Great episode ! simple

  • @gg_sam7847
    @gg_sam7847 11 місяців тому

    I'd probably title the categories as "Life Threatening" (maybe a bonus inclusion of "Life Altering"). Then "Damaging" including ones that can cause either serious pain or long term visible effects. And then Low/No risk

  • @FeedMeSalt
    @FeedMeSalt 11 місяців тому

    As a Canadian there isn't a single spider I fear handling. Maybe our big ass dock spiders, but that's more the dinner plate sized legs and one inch fangs then any venom.
    I'm very lucky lol

  • @itsOnMARS2023
    @itsOnMARS2023 11 місяців тому

    Pretty at this point the vast majority of Australians believe Funnel Webs are only found in Sydney....Oh how very wrong you all are 😂😂😂😂

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  11 місяців тому +2

      I love surprising my fellow Brisbane residents by informing them of the numerous times I’ve found funnel-webs locally.

  • @jacksonwilliams5694
    @jacksonwilliams5694 Місяць тому

    Bro hahha have you ever tried doing more comedy is this perceived tone of delivery. Youd honestly have the brain to be witty. That joke about the comments was great and you should consider another form of content in respect to your intelligence and wit 😂 just saying

    • @BugsandBiology
      @BugsandBiology  Місяць тому

      Thanks, really appreciate it!
      Can’t say I’ve ever considered doing comedy as content though. The way I see it is: I’m not smart enough to be an educator, and not funny enough to be a comedian, but if I combine the two together, I might be able to make something work…

  • @human-g9r
    @human-g9r 7 місяців тому

    im just gonna say it he has repeated random crap and he is speaking slow