@@stuartfury3390 Woah that was rather rude... lots of zippers are shoddily made which ironically makes them better locks than something designed to keep semi-automatic weapons secured.
@@common_c3nts government agencies often are kinda.. naive.. no matter what country state or continent, they often fall for outdated but rebranden techniques that are inefficient not as versatile and often think they have no enemies, they think they must secure themselfs against a standart thief but it is always the enemy, the one that hates them, that puts dedication in his plan and that wants to destroy them, not for profit but personal reasons(or at least someone who got payed enough to do so).. they have a small horizon of why would someone attack them and dont think of the worst.. like the old saying.. the best way to hire a stores security is to rob the store on the other side of the street
Imagine buying one from ebay. USA is a crazy country to allow this :D "Wanna listen in on the cops' radio?" "Sure, as a free citizen I should have the right to do it, right?"
When you're being shot at you probably don't want to be fumbling with your key ring. Even officers have to comply wth rules that they don't always agree with, they're just trying to go back home when it's all over.........
theres a big missunderstanding, the lock is there to secure the gun from a fast grab not anti theft. you cannot secure an ar15 in a gunrack that allows fast access anyway. 2 pins could break that gun apart and let it slide out. with some practice maybe even faster than picking that lock with a professional tool
So if someone sees a cop car parked somewhere with a rifle "secured" with one of these locks, they can pull off the windshield wiper and get the thin wire strip from it, throw a rock through the car window, then use the windshield wiper strip to shim the lock and take the rifle. Good to know for the zombie apocalypse. :)
well, not the worst idea actually, though i dont know if you would have enough time if there are zombies in the area to do all that, at that point just break the window and hotwire it, or just go if the key is nearby
BaneZH now that’s a life hack. This is making me think of glitches in video games where you walk in a certain way and then get something for free. It’s practically the same thing.
Can you do it when the cuffs are properly applied behind your back? I kind of doubt that. Handcuffs are quite adequate for what they are intended to be. Handcuffed prisoners aren't supposed to be left unattended.
@@WJS774 yes, when you’re cuffed in a standard cuffing position, it isn’t too difficult to pull your hands under and around your butt to bring them back in front of you so you can see what you’re doing. The cuffs are probably going to be tight enough where you can’t rotate your wrists without serious injury in the cuff itself, and your range of motion will be seriously limited because your tendons have almost no wiggle room to move around in, but you can either use a long enough paper clip/wire from one hand to the keyhole at the hand on the other side, or use a paper clip/wire in your mouth. The cuffing position where you have one hand from above your shoulder (think scratching the back of your neck) and the other hand from below (think standard cuffing position), however, is a pain in the ass. Unless you have crazy loose arm/shoulder joints or the cuff is too lose and/or chains too long, you’re probably stuck with your hands behind you, removing the option to use your mouth to hold your tool of choice. This all changes once you’re dealing with cuffs that don’t use a stereotypical/cheap design, however.
@@breetaylor4586 Well the point is that when you move the cuffs around in front of you, the cop with you is supposed to stop you. Also don't forget that the keyhole is supposed to be on the side of the cuffs _opposite_ your hands and the palms are supposed to be facing outwards. There are a lot of obstacles if they have been applied properly, when people manage to escape it's typically that the officer cuffing them did something wrong.
aluisious The cop cars that are stored like that generally don’t have patrol rifles in them. Take home cars, you SHOULD take the rifle out, but just because you should doesn’t mean everybody does it.
I hope so also. As for criminals, that’s always a concern, and one that weighs heavily on me. But this kind of nonsense will not stop without consumers being educated and demanding better.
dahveed284 maybe you have got some more intelligent criminals where you're at. The ones I tend to deal with aren't smart enough to look for cameras or possibly just don't care so we try not to teach them new tricks. I do agree with the lockpickinglawyer we need to do something about it most departments that I know do not use the Handcuff key for this reason the magnet bypass is just a another flaw and its design. Although most departments have a policy to where all vehicles are supposed to remain locked when no one's in them regardless of where they are, same even goes for ambulances and fire engines. Unfortunately the culture that we live in is not necessarily so honest.
Probablly, he can do this. He was picking some prison lock in one of his videos and he said that it is possible to make picking tools in prison, but he won't show us how to make them. Also he is a lawyer, he won't go in prison.
It appears Santa Cruz Gunlocks have updated the product with, to quote their website, an anti-shim star wheel, a solenoid (instead of the magnetic thingy I assume), and a choice of keys. Maybe you could review the new one? :)
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 cops dont even know the laws nore are they willing to inform the public on them. If thats what a bachelor degree gets you. Its a waste of time. And we know they dont always choose able minded people. Have you seen how trigger happy they can be? Not mentioning how easily they will snap of you simply cant hear them..... Nice try though
Because as in any 21st century corporation (most towns and cities are corporate entities) the bean counters run the show from behind the scenes. So this lock is probably much cheaper than other locks from other companies. And as for legalities of selling it is concerned, since the Regan era we've been in the land of deregulation so there pretty much isn't any oversight unless a few people die from something first.
I love that it not only is defeated by the magnet, but the rubber casing acts as a handy guide to correct magnet placement. Wouldn't want to have to memorize the right positioning!
LPL: "ok for my next lock I'm gonna pick, I have to walk through a landmine field filled with security guards and hidden trip wires while helicopters fly above scouting out for trespassers" 3 minutes later..."and there you go, the lock is picked"
Great video LPL. Our Dept had a 12 Gauge shotgun stolen out of one of our cruisers (Pennsylvania) a few years ago. We located the shot gun in Florida. We assumed some one picked the cage lock(shotgun rack lock) and took the weapon without damaging the lock . ...
One dumbass person to steal firearms off a cop. Especially from the cruiser, some ppl i just cant understand, but can you imagine the face of the person who eventually ended up with the stolen gun when they were told it was taken from a cops cruiser? Im surprised it wasn't glowing from being so hot.
@@shable1436 how are stolen guns tracked, and how do you check if it's stolen? I understand there's a serial code, but is there somewhere that you can check to see if a gun you're gonna buy was stolen? I've never bought a gun before because im only 15 and I don't wanna mess up bad if I do
@@Lysergic_ stolen guns aren't really tracked but guns with certain properties are like rifling and other things like that they take bullets that show info like that and mark it down so if it is found it can be linked to other crime scene they don't have a list of which guns they're looking for its more of they find it and determine its stolen from aforementioned details
@@Lysergic_ there are 2 ways stolen firearms are located. 1: the serial number is run through the FBI's NCIC database and there's a hit on the ser#. This can happen when confiscated, during routine investigation such as during a traffic stop, pawn shop check, inquiry by the person in possession, or during a Coast Guard boarding. The other way, unfortunately, is when it's recovered from a crime scene. The only way you can be 100% sure it's not stolen or used in a previous crime is if you buy it new from a FFL dealer. And the only way you can be reasonably sure you're not selling it to a criminal is if you sell it to a FFL dealer. Even police are not allowed to freely access the database. It simply tells if a particular serial number is stolen, then it logs the ID of the officer that asked that question and it's flagged for follow up.
My goodness what a waste of taxpayers money if any PD uses this particular product. That example costs $180 and offers nearly zero protection if any agency purchased these for their cruisers they obviously didn't do their due diligence.
+Phil J The problem is when a PD is purchasing a complete police cruiser from the lowest bidder. I do not think that a PD buys individual parts and then assembles their own cars.
Something similar to the Netherlands general police phone number: 0800 8844. If you type it in it is 0800 TUIG (dutch for SCUM) Someone in a PR office had a good laugh when they approved that number.
+Danny Blue are your talking about the police car key? They are literally keyed the same. If you need on of those keys: Buy a used police car. To expensive? Buy a used taxi. Still to expensive? "Borrow" a taxi key. (a lot of used police cars becomes taxis)
I’m assuming it’s a time thing. They would only need to excess this is an “emergency” setting so they want to have a lock that the police always have on them just to not over complicate things.
The problem with that logic is that there's already an electromagnet override to open it. All the lock should be used for then is returning it to storage.
@@nolancarey8062 This is the kind of shit that white collar decision makers come up with for the ones that are actually out there pounding pavement. Same thing in the military, watch 'Forgotten Weapons' or 'C&Rsenal' to see just how bad these upper level pencil pushers can fuck up a soldier's 'life or death' weapon with ridiculous specs that 'sound good' or are 'in vogue', but can often turn out to be colossal design weaknesses of these firearms. It's absurd. Give someone a little power, and they know just enough to fuck it up for thousands of those below them.
I love that the designers basically took a handcuff and beefed it up. Edit: LOL I posted this before he got to the handcuff key part! A terrible design indeed.
No, the makers of this lock made a giant boo boo. That is why crime is so high in the States. When every (un)skilled person can get a hold of police weapons in that way. I do hope the police cruisers have better locks.
While this is a very serious problem...getting guns from police isn't a big issue. A recent study found that US citizens own 46% of all guns in the world. This is more than all police forces in the world combined. This is more than all Armies in the world combined. This leaves us at an odd impass. Gettings guns is stupid easy...yet if guns where such a huge problem as the media portrays...then everyone would be dead.
Denhalen79, he says in the video that this was taken out of a poilice car. Hopefully, that agency realized their mistake and took *all* of them out of service.
@@h0tel1 Why is sadly true. Exactly why we have so many worthless police officers out here. So stupid, one actually shot themselves in the foot. Do we really expect that from a public servant?
I was a police chaplain in a 250 officer department in a city with high FBI crime stats. Also, I was the oldest person in uniform with a lot of life experience. I was often amazed at the way money got spent. The main problem was that the people who BOUGHT the gear weren't the people USING the gear... which is how this happens.
Andrew Kemendo You could pretty easily redesign it to protect against the shim attack by relocating the latching cam to an internal and inaccessible area within the lock (a simple gear is all that would be needed to relocate the vulnerable element). You could also easily shield the latching cam from the magnet attack with simple magnetic shielding. But as for the rest, if you can just press a button to bypass everything..or use the world's least secure (handcuff) and most common key then what's the point -- it would be like placing the world's most secure lock on a screen door so weak you could practically walk through it unimpeded.
@@ethanpoole3443 well the button CAN make sense depending on where it is and the lock's application. if the criminal in the back of the car cant reach a button that is e.g. under the driver seat then fine. for the rest well use the disc lock, use a megnetic shield (or dont use a magnetic eletrical opener) and secure the ratchet as you said
Way worse than the handcuffs that I played with. Those could be shimmed in position one but had position two where the cam is locked and it did not have the magnet exploit. On top of that they are behind your back making even the key option a bit hard to do.
@@My1xT Sure but that is like saying that the door should have three types of keys that open it because it is a feature. The more ways you make to open something, the easier it becomes to find a way in as this is a prime example of.
Wow! That is without doubt the least secure retainer I have ever seen. To think that in seconds anyone could remove an AR15 from an unattended patrol car is downright scary. Even with the better cores, the unshielded internal magnet release makes a mockery of security. Bonkers that it wasn't properly put through it's paces before departments purchased them. After seeing that I'd let my most devious C.I have a fiddle with it before trusting it. Or I could watch you point out the flaws. Your channel should be mandatory watching for anyone in the lock purchasing arena.
You know that 90% of these are sold with the handcuff key lock. Also you don't even have to spend a dollar on a key; if you look around enough you will eventually find one of those $.25 toy vending machines with little locks that use handcuff keys.
what makes me cringe is the idea that someone being a bit crazy and violently disliking the Police might be rather likely to carry one AND be the most likely Person to be stupid/crazy enough to actually abuse the key to be able to abuse a gun... in other words, i believe the handcuffkey is double bad as it makes the lock unsave against the group of people wich pose the biggest threat to the police.
I carry one of those keys. I have my own handcuffs from eBay just for interest and the key is on my main bunch. I carry it for no other reason than not to lose it. I presume they use that key as if the officer gets into another vehicle then he know HIS key will fit. Although if they have the electromagnetic release then what’s the point. Unless they have a power failure.
Zeldaboy He was trying to say “Very easy to get” and then changed it to “very easy to do” mid-sentence. Because I’d that it came out as: “Very easy to get-do”
Looks like they have update their design since this. From their website " Examples of our long-standing commitment to product improvement include our patented shim protection and other safety features included in the SC-6 handcuff-style lock (which is an improvement to our SC-5 product), as well as our patented magnet protection included with our SC-1 and SC-1-AR clamshell style lock"
Oh no doubt. consumer ignorance and the lowest bidder concept are often times bed partners in things like this. How do I say this with a bit of ambiguity...while I am not LEO, the same rules that apply to their budget and decision making, apply to my particular organization. Often times what particular piece of equipment used is decided by someone in a different field with no real and/or practical knowledge of the device or the need it is supposed to fill. Also often, a need for equipment is realized and the job of filling it is contracted out to a 3rd party lowest bidder. This seems great to a budgeting committee but in reality it often times causes more problems then it solves simply because the decision makers and/or 3rd party are not familiar with the infrastructure and systems already in place.
LockPickingLawyer, watching the video I was a tad disappointed that you only addressed this from one perspective, but I accepted it because you focus is obviously locks, not police tactics, and nobody is perfectly impartial and fair, myself very much included. Seeing you down here taking part in the one-sided roasting with the commenters is a little more disappointing though. Could it be that maybe the existince of a possible vulnerability isn't the only factor when it comes to selecting a gun lock like this? Maybe in an emergency situation the agency likes that any given officer who happens to be near that car is able to retrieve that weapon or that the officers don't have to deal with the overhead of a separate unique key. So that's an upside. We already know the downside, but how big of a downside is it in practice? There are two main challenges for a lock. One is targets of opportunity, the other is someone who's hell bent on getting in, where the goal is to make it a less appealing target or inconvenience them long enough that they can be busted. Now, common as these handcuff keys may be, someone who's likely to try grabbing a gun from a squad car in the heat of the moment isn't likely to have one handy, nor have a pick or a shim, let alone a neodymium magnet, though those latter two exploits are something I CAN fault the manufacturer for. That combined with having to have the intent and the knowledge of how this particular lock works and the knowledge that the agency in your area is using this version takes care of 99.9% of the concern, the target of opportunity. What's left is the possibility of a premeditated attack, which would require someone to not only come up with this plan and choose it over other means of obtaining a firearm, but to then find an unattended, unlocked police car somewhere and then get away with a long gun. All in all I'd probably be more worried about the vulnerability of someone knocking out a police officer with a baseball bat or a half brick and taking the gun off their belt. Modern holsters make snatching the gun away in a fight difficult, but there's no lock on them at all.
Thanks for that video and the shotgun one. I'm really shocked that both locks from the same manufacturer offer the same vulnerability with the magnet. This should be an optional choice that can be left out. Seriously. I really hope that not many police cruisers have this kind of security for their guns :-S
I know this is little to settle your mind about how bad this lock is but most police agencies consider the cars lock to be the main security for the weapon not the guns lock. That is just secondary since it is a bit harder to get into the car. And as with most locks they are to keep the honest folks honest. Thx m8 and keep up the great work.
Police cars "usually" standard keying, as in: They are literally keyed the same. If you need one of those keys: Buy a used police car. To expensive? Buy a used taxi. Still to expensive? "Borrow" a taxi key. (a lot of used police cars becomes taxis)
That's scary. Law enforcement weapons, especially those kept in public view, should be very well secured. Secured to a standard at least equal to but preferably higher than weapons owned by the public are required to be. The magnet exploit is especially scary as it requires no skill and works no matter what lock core the lock contains. That exploit alone enables someone to steal the gun in seconds, putting a law enforcement weapon in the hands of a criminal.
But they're cops, they aren't held to the same standard as civilians and get away with far more lenient punishments when they break the same laws civilians have to adhere to.
tallman11282 my only thought about the magnet exploit is that I don't know how this lock is expected to be installed, and perhaps the place where the magnet is placed may not be accessible to an exploiter when properly installed in the wild. I mean it doesn't excuse the other exploits, which are quite bad.
Considering the direction in which the upper portion of the lock opens the magnet-side would be against a mounting surface, which one can hope is a wall or the like, so I it is unlikely that it would work. Shimming might also be difficult if the lock is installed properly since it'd be hard to reach in with the shim, so that only leaves the key lock itself. If it isn't installed in a sensible manner however.... Yikes.
+Willy T This is not about cops and different standards. Ever worked for or with an administration, paper pushing bureaucrats and penny pinching managers/politicians? If you can not check it on paper, it does not exist. If a union of lock makers would develop a standard and a testing institute, then we could translate this real world exploit into the language of bureaucracy: Locks in police cars have to confirm standard (insert name) and must be tested by (insert name). This would get lazy lock makers (speak: Managers that have no idea what their product is in reality and just see dollar signs) to invest in barely fulfilling this new standard, raising the bar of the limbo competition to the lowest possible price ever so slightly of the ground and making safety at least a secondary concern.
Big Man Hockey The shim exploit is done on the opening side. The way you're supposed to open the shackle there's no way you can prevent shimming. I agree you can embed the body in a wall to prevent the magnet attack but you can't prevent the shim attack without blocking normal opening.
You must have an incredible collection or you should have one. Maybe even a museum of sorts? I’m a new subscriber, you have caught my interest. I especially like that you own and use firearms and will be watching and search for ways to better secure mine. Thank you for sharing your expertise! I don’t have the practical need (much) but think I like the challenge of picking locks as a form of puzzle. I think I’ll start out with that clear pad lock and progress from there.
Something I never realized until watching your channel, is that the violin case I've had since middle school uses a handcuff key for its lock. So I've had a handcuff key on my keychain since my early teens without realizing it.
amazing what law enforcement buys these days.... looks like they would of better off with a high strength carbiner hooked up to American lock cylinders.
Great review, Thanks for the info. When the apocalypse comes, I'll know how to find a weapon with nothing more than an old sparkplug and a magnet or shim😎 Or, just a magnet
Oh the sort of lock I taught myself to pick with a hairpin when I was 7, used to secure weapons. Pretty sure any adult could learn to pick it in 10-20 minutes even if they'd never seen the lock before. They must really be putting a lot of trust in not leaving these unattended
Well why not, a stolen bike is one thing. But a select fire assault rifle chambered in a military grade cartridge is an other thing entirely. I have seen Chinese knock off locks that offered more challenge.
Yes - that is the problem. The solution is to develop a standard, establish a testing lab and making this standard a requirement. Bureaucrats are clueless about the real world and the only way to communicate with them is by paper work.
No, not clueless. It’s just that not everyone can be an expert in everything. So you trust a lock company to make a good lock since you are not an expert in making locks. You expect the tire company to make good tires since you are not an expert in making tires. You expect the gasoline company to not sell you water.
I have to admit this is exactly the kind of lock I love to see. Simply because I love trying to find as many possible exploits as I can. As for the functionality, I believe you just put a big red target on every police cruiser out there.
The entire law enforcement community as well as law abiding citizens everywhere must really appreciate you showing this to people.... You know, seeing as these may be in a car near you, your family and you're making it widely rapidly available. Great job richard.
Holy shit. Hopefully this will be seen by some of the right people at police departments and they'll be scrambling to replace every one of these that they have in use. It obviously makes no difference that the other keying options are more secure. The shim exploit alone makes the lock unusable.
What is that lock's intended purpose? To hold a firearm in the back of a police car so that any officer can get access to it at a moment's notice. Most officer-lost-firearm deaths come from firearms the officer had on them at the time, not one the felon took from the car. A felon doesn't walk up to a police car and steal the shotgun out the back, they take the pistol from the officer's hands and shoot them with that. You also don't hear of many instances of felons breaking into cop cars to steal the shotgun when the vehicle is unattended... Improve the mechanisms sure, shield the lock from shims and magnets, but if a button in the car can open it why shouldn't a generic key?
I suspect the police car spec is simply to keep a casual passerby from quickly grabbing the firearm, not retention of the firearm from someone willing to spend some time defeating the lock or mechanism. And there is the consideration for extreme circumstances and accessibility that does not require a lot of dexterity to open should the need arise.
Lowest bid is a big factor, but places that require tender bids have minimum specs or specific item requests for bids.(I work in such a place). That handcuff key spec for instance is one that is specifically requested by departments for whatever reason they base their decision on, be it common key so any officer can access the firearm quickly without needing the vehicle key to hit the mag lock trigger because they already have the cuff key, and it is one less extra key they need to carry. And there is the fact that until recently (well, probably 10 years or so give or take, varies all over) long arms where in an unsecured rack for many departments. These simple locks are just to keep the casual passerby from grabbing the firearm not be a strong box intended to survive a specific attack and retain the firearm. In a SHTF situation, you don't want your officer having a cumbersom lock to deal with when their fingers are bloodied and needing to fight with a lock--those are the kinds of things that get looked at as well. Locks keep out the honest people, and thats what these simple locks amount to.
Umm no. No it's not. Having cumbersome lock is more analogous to putting firefighting equipment behind 11 locks and 7x4 number combinations. By the time you open and get your hands on your tools the house has burned down.
But this doesn't even take time. You can slap a magnet on it and defeat it with one hand and without even needing to take your eyes off the cop who walked away from his cruiser. That is beyond screwed up.
Thank goodness this guy is picking locks and pointing out why they suck so that they can be improved on, instead of using his power to completely destroy society by not being able to be contained by anything with a lock.
While I love mechanics and locks and things in general I really like how you can word things in an interesting way. Maybe that's the layer side of you 🤣 "this I'd a rare case where I view the key as an exploit".
When the exploit to your AR lock is "just buy the key on amazon" you know you fucked up bad lol. If someone decides to do this they can literally order it in mere hours with prime now and go out and do it the same day that's absolutely ridiculous.
I'm getting over my anger. Granted police officers are shot at and need "instant access" but it is *soo* easy to bypass. The magnet (available on Amazon) is a funny exploit. The well known shim exploit for all handcuffs is trivial. Once the cops are out of the vehicle, a simple shim and Vola! the weapon can be turned against a cop or even a civilian. Truly a PSA
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That was the same key I had for my diary when I was 7 years old
Same whenever I would lose the key I would take a hair clip or bobbypin to open the lock and now I can pick locks
lol
Heather Aderhold i deadass got better security from a 3 dollar Walmart diary
My emotions are more secure than this lock
That looks exactly like the key that my fake handcuffs had a super long time ago
"exploit number 76 : rubbing bread on the lock"
"expliot number 104: sneezing near the lock"
exploit number 204 : Existing near the lock
Best comment I've seen all year
@@darkshades4797 exploit number 1: the lock existing
Exploit number 259 : asking lock to disengage
I opened this lock by politely asking it to do so.
big brain
Found the Canadian
@@outsider5945 Never underestimate Canadian politeness!
@@edwardteach3000 The power of Canadian politeness combined with the power of British sarcasm would be unstoppable
probably still more secure than this lock
We use these in the Coast Guard to secure our full auto M240 machine guns in our new small boats... Very reassuring.
So uh, where's y'all's berth?
Show this to your boss.
i've heard the barretts you guys got from the marines are beat to shit, can you verify?
Pool pirate
Always wanted a 240 for the collection
*Opens Lock*
yeah makes sense I gue--
*Relocks lock with lockpick*
Ah right okay then
Mad Lad
That’s a power move right there
The ultimate power move a thief can do
When you can just put a lockpick in and turn it...
A small zip tie is more secure
You could probably pick this lock with a zip tie.
The shim method shown to open that "lock" is exactly what you do to open and reuse zip ties.
@@Don.Challenger It looks like it would be harder on a zip tie
True
I rekon you use a zip tie the same as the shim and open this up aha
Heading to Dunkin Donuts to get me a shotgun!
That’s funny. Dunkin!
Gun theft runs on Dunkin'
Lol
This is honestly one o the best jokes ive seen in a while. It took a bit too get but wasn’t confusing. Can I adopt you? Lol
Hell yea brother
My jacket zipper is harder to open than that “lock”
That may be due to your excessive weight.
@@stuartfury3390 Ouch!
@@stuartfury3390 Woah that was rather rude... lots of zippers are shoddily made which ironically makes them better locks than something designed to keep semi-automatic weapons secured.
@@arcamean785 Everybody just calm down!
@@stuartfury3390 Lol but you're the one who came in starting shit, what do you mean "calm down?"
3:50 "All you need is really anything thin and stiff"
Boy do I have a tool for you
Kyle Rollins
😂
Dude fucking killed himself for --38-- --53-- --66-- --362-- 2.2klikes
@@the_original_jake 506*
What a legend.
Kyle Rollins
Shiiiit dude don't burn the damn website
Ooooh self burn!
This makes Master Lock look like a feat of engineering brilliance
nah, this makes my diary look like fort knox
lol he's shown like 20 different ways to open masterlocks so not quite.
👏 bravo
You did not have to roast em like that
@@Reqlo.why not both?
You know you're in trouble when just using the key is an exploit😂
This lock is a scam to steal tax payer dollars. The company that made this should have their CEO in jail for theft.
@@common_c3nts government agencies often are kinda.. naive.. no matter what country state or continent, they often fall for outdated but rebranden techniques that are inefficient not as versatile and often think they have no enemies, they think they must secure themselfs against a standart thief but it is always the enemy, the one that hates them, that puts dedication in his plan and that wants to destroy them, not for profit but personal reasons(or at least someone who got payed enough to do so).. they have a small horizon of why would someone attack them and dont think of the worst.. like the old saying.. the best way to hire a stores security is to rob the store on the other side of the street
@@common_c3nts it's California, what can ya expect
@@TheCarpenterUnion paper straws, paper locks
@@stevenhart6788 p....p... PAPER STRAWS?! HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD?!
Dear FBI,
Im a law abiding citizen I swear.
But sir.
You have stolen 11 shotguns from police cruisers!
your profile pic is the FBI reading that...
This comment chain is amazing
@@AltanStray not anymore
I like turtles too
Instructions not clear
I’m being chased by 30 cops with no guns
do they have no guns because you took them all
khayl hall yup
@@sanjayproductions5690 seems to me you followed the instructions without problems then
BubbleBobBeeGee lmao
You must not live in the United States or else you'd be chased by 30 cops with 100 guns.
I feel like learning how to pick the lock that secures a police rifle is going to get me put on some kind of watchlist
Welcome to the club then
You only need a thin strip of a RedBull can or a magnet. There's no law against having these things on you.
Imagine buying one from ebay. USA is a crazy country to allow this :D
"Wanna listen in on the cops' radio?"
"Sure, as a free citizen I should have the right to do it, right?"
You are here bro. You have been for a LONG time.
That’s why he (LPL) never shows his face.
I had to work on a police car several times when I was a mechanic. Most of the officers who put their guns in these left the keys in the lock.
Probobly never locked their car a single day on the job either.
Maybe they know it's easy to pick, so why bother taking the key out.
When you're being shot at you probably don't want to be fumbling with your key ring. Even officers have to comply wth rules that they don't always agree with, they're just trying to go back home when it's all over.........
I mean, its probably harder to turn the key than it is to use the key to shim the zip lock anyway.
Heavens to Murgatroyd I mean sure, but then why lock it at all?
LPL - Please allow me to politely and thoroughly destroy your product in a very public way.....as it should be.
Yeah, LPL could send you on your way to hell and make you feel good about going.
That was freakin awesome!!!!
@@floorpizza8074 XD
@@floorpizza8074 I mean, he is the lock picking *lawyer*. :P
And as always, have a nice day
That is disturbingly bad. My wrist watch band is harder to open than that "lock".
Thats some Master lock quality here
And it tells the time too.
theres a big missunderstanding, the lock is there to secure the gun from a fast grab not anti theft.
you cannot secure an ar15 in a gunrack that allows fast access anyway. 2 pins could break that gun apart and let it slide out.
with some practice maybe even faster than picking that lock with a professional tool
Now imagine the zombie apocalypse, and you're looting the police car. If such case happens, you'll thank god such locks exist.
You'll also thank God you watched 100s of episodes of the lock picking lawyer.
Exploit number 107: using a small gust of wind
A-dino sneeze in its general vicinity
Exploit number 376: Asking the lock politely to open
Exploit Number 679: look at it menacingly.
Exploit number 1,863,798: Breathe
Exploit number 21,104,759: give it a slightly stern look as if it just swiped a bag of chips and youre not entirely sure
imagine being a prison guard and earing "nothing on 1, click on 2,"
Bagel lord my family is asleep and I cackled at this 😂
assassinlexx OPENING A LOCK IN 10 SECONDS USING OXYGEN
this honestly is my favourite comment in any youtube video, ever lmaoo
@@rev8053 glad you like it xD
This lock doesn't even have a 2....
So if someone sees a cop car parked somewhere with a rifle "secured" with one of these locks, they can pull off the windshield wiper and get the thin wire strip from it, throw a rock through the car window, then use the windshield wiper strip to shim the lock and take the rifle. Good to know for the zombie apocalypse. :)
Paul Stafford yeah... for the zombie apocalypse..
well, not the worst idea actually, though i dont know if you would have enough time if there are zombies in the area to do all that, at that point just break the window and hotwire it, or just go if the key is nearby
It would be n a trunk
lol they normally leave the patrol cars unlocked and running.
Wouldn't even have to do that much, officers frequently leave their car on and unlocked while they "quickly" go and buy a bunch of snacks and shit.
These are literally the type of locks they use on children handcuff locks lol.
Just go down to the 99 cent store, pick up a cheapo “police officer set” and use the key for a free gun!
@@banezh1611 99 cent gun
BaneZH now that’s a life hack.
This is making me think of glitches in video games where you walk in a certain way and then get something for free. It’s practically the same thing.
Not that in a bedroom setting me and a female would but IF we did i would think the sex handcuffs are more secure lol
@@ghw1985 good luck on finding a female
"Varying degrees of inadequate." This dude must know my ex.
I still haven't stopped laughing, thanks
😂😂😂
Was the joke worth it 😂😂
Funny enough, handcuffs were the first lock I learned to pick using a paper clip.
It's shocking that such an easily defeated system is so widely used.
Can you do it when the cuffs are properly applied behind your back? I kind of doubt that. Handcuffs are quite adequate for what they are intended to be. Handcuffed prisoners aren't supposed to be left unattended.
@@WJS774 yes, when you’re cuffed in a standard cuffing position, it isn’t too difficult to pull your hands under and around your butt to bring them back in front of you so you can see what you’re doing. The cuffs are probably going to be tight enough where you can’t rotate your wrists without serious injury in the cuff itself, and your range of motion will be seriously limited because your tendons have almost no wiggle room to move around in, but you can either use a long enough paper clip/wire from one hand to the keyhole at the hand on the other side, or use a paper clip/wire in your mouth.
The cuffing position where you have one hand from above your shoulder (think scratching the back of your neck) and the other hand from below (think standard cuffing position), however, is a pain in the ass. Unless you have crazy loose arm/shoulder joints or the cuff is too lose and/or chains too long, you’re probably stuck with your hands behind you, removing the option to use your mouth to hold your tool of choice.
This all changes once you’re dealing with cuffs that don’t use a stereotypical/cheap design, however.
@@breetaylor4586 Well the point is that when you move the cuffs around in front of you, the cop with you is supposed to stop you. Also don't forget that the keyhole is supposed to be on the side of the cuffs _opposite_ your hands and the palms are supposed to be facing outwards. There are a lot of obstacles if they have been applied properly, when people manage to escape it's typically that the officer cuffing them did something wrong.
LEOs know it too. My father carried razors to pick open handcuffs if there wasnt any keys nearby
@@WJS774 If you can pick without looking it shouldn't be too hard.
4:39 - "put a lock on the side of the lock"??? You mean magnet?
Then again, a strong magnet may be more secure than this lock...
The lock has an internal magnet. He could open the lock with another lock
This is why you hear about '300 police rifles lost from inventory' stories..
Every so often they have to "lose" all the rifles that were stolen over the previous year or two.
The cars are stored in open lots behind chain link fences at night. It's almost as if cops aren't smart.
@@aluisious Or their front yard
"lost"
aluisious The cop cars that are stored like that generally don’t have patrol rifles in them. Take home cars, you SHOULD take the rifle out, but just because you should doesn’t mean everybody does it.
Nice public service announcement. Hopefully law enforcement ... pays attention!
R.P. Rosen I'm more worried about it teaching criminals how to get past them.
Criminals were already aware of this. Publicizing this will hopefully light a fire under the backside of law enforcement agencies to fix the problem.
I hope so also. As for criminals, that’s always a concern, and one that weighs heavily on me. But this kind of nonsense will not stop without consumers being educated and demanding better.
Criminals don't need to be taught, they teach law enforcement everything they know.
dahveed284 maybe you have got some more intelligent criminals where you're at. The ones I tend to deal with aren't smart enough to look for cameras or possibly just don't care so we try not to teach them new tricks.
I do agree with the lockpickinglawyer we need to do something about it most departments that I know do not use the Handcuff key for this reason the magnet bypass is just a another flaw and its design. Although most departments have a policy to where all vehicles are supposed to remain locked when no one's in them regardless of where they are, same even goes for ambulances and fire engines. Unfortunately the culture that we live in is not necessarily so honest.
L.p. lawyer goes to prison sees lock on his cell:phhht this lock can be picked in 6 seconds with a prison toothbrush
No prison with cells. He goes to a lonly island without cells and locks.
Probablly, he can do this. He was picking some prison lock in one of his videos and he said that it is possible to make picking tools in prison, but he won't show us how to make them. Also he is a lawyer, he won't go in prison.
When you're doing nightly headcount and hear "nothing on 1...nothing on 2...good click from 3..."
@@Taxman_Watchman lockpicks the water so that it opens for him
@@kisaragi_san1378 LPL is Moses: confirmed
2:00
And even worse, the handcuff key is carried by an increasing number of people
Huh, wonder why? 😉
Hahhahahahahahahhaha
Oh. I just thought of people trying to do the prison break heist roleplay.
Tfw your gunlock can be opened with a key from a sex shop
Oh I just got it
Why?
It appears Santa Cruz Gunlocks have updated the product with, to quote their website, an anti-shim star wheel, a solenoid (instead of the magnetic thingy I assume), and a choice of keys. Maybe you could review the new one? :)
That last two exploits apply to the higher security models.
How can this even be legal to sell to law enforcement?
It's called "corruption."
It's on every level.
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 most don't require degrees
law enforcement does a lot that ain't legal lol
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 cops dont even know the laws nore are they willing to inform the public on them. If thats what a bachelor degree gets you. Its a waste of time. And we know they dont always choose able minded people. Have you seen how trigger happy they can be? Not mentioning how easily they will snap of you simply cant hear them..... Nice try though
Because as in any 21st century corporation (most towns and cities are corporate entities) the bean counters run the show from behind the scenes. So this lock is probably much cheaper than other locks from other companies. And as for legalities of selling it is concerned, since the Regan era we've been in the land of deregulation so there pretty much isn't any oversight unless a few people die from something first.
you've got to feel sorry for master lock when another company steals their bad lock designs haha
I love that it not only is defeated by the magnet, but the rubber casing acts as a handy guide to correct magnet placement. Wouldn't want to have to memorize the right positioning!
LPL: This is one of the most disappointing locks i have encountered in awhile.
Damn dude. He doesn't hold back
LPL: "ok for my next lock I'm gonna pick, I have to walk through a landmine field filled with security guards and hidden trip wires while helicopters fly above scouting out for trespassers"
3 minutes later..."and there you go, the lock is picked"
1 minute walking, 1 minute 30 secs explaining the lock and opening the lock in 30 seconds?
@@fabiansandhoff750 1 Minute 50 explaining the lock and 10 seconds to open
"relatively lowskill attack"
3 minutes of explaining, that is. It only takes 2.5 seconds to actually pick it
You forgot the goon towers...and the fact that LPL was the stunt cyclist for Steve McQueen in "The Great Escape"...
Great video LPL. Our Dept had a 12 Gauge shotgun stolen out of one of our cruisers (Pennsylvania) a few years ago. We located the shot gun in Florida. We assumed some one picked the cage lock(shotgun rack lock) and took the weapon without damaging the lock . ...
The officers involved were awarded suspension pending investigation.
One dumbass person to steal firearms off a cop. Especially from the cruiser, some ppl i just cant understand, but can you imagine the face of the person who eventually ended up with the stolen gun when they were told it was taken from a cops cruiser? Im surprised it wasn't glowing from being so hot.
@@shable1436 how are stolen guns tracked, and how do you check if it's stolen? I understand there's a serial code, but is there somewhere that you can check to see if a gun you're gonna buy was stolen? I've never bought a gun before because im only 15 and I don't wanna mess up bad if I do
@@Lysergic_ stolen guns aren't really tracked but guns with certain properties are like rifling and other things like that they take bullets that show info like that and mark it down so if it is found it can be linked to other crime scene they don't have a list of which guns they're looking for its more of they find it and determine its stolen from aforementioned details
@@Lysergic_ there are 2 ways stolen firearms are located. 1: the serial number is run through the FBI's NCIC database and there's a hit on the ser#. This can happen when confiscated, during routine investigation such as during a traffic stop, pawn shop check, inquiry by the person in possession, or during a Coast Guard boarding. The other way, unfortunately, is when it's recovered from a crime scene. The only way you can be 100% sure it's not stolen or used in a previous crime is if you buy it new from a FFL dealer. And the only way you can be reasonably sure you're not selling it to a criminal is if you sell it to a FFL dealer. Even police are not allowed to freely access the database. It simply tells if a particular serial number is stolen, then it logs the ID of the officer that asked that question and it's flagged for follow up.
at first i was like ohhhh it's just cause it's the handcuff lock version. THEN HE OPENED THE RATCHET WITH THE SHIM WTF
Yep, the exact same weakness as handcuffs. Shimming is too easy
My goodness what a waste of taxpayers money if any PD uses this particular product. That example costs $180 and offers nearly zero protection if any agency purchased these for their cruisers they obviously didn't do their due diligence.
+Phil J The problem is when a PD is purchasing a complete police cruiser from the lowest bidder. I do not think that a PD buys individual parts and then assembles their own cars.
I agree police cruisers are purchased as whole units, but they do have a say in how they want them outfitted for their needs.
This is one of the first locks that even I am confident I could easily get open. Wow
This is actually TERRIFYING. Glad you called them out for it.
*lock that shouldn’t be opened by criminals*
“Now today we’ll go over 4 ways to open this lock”
You do know, that criminals know of these methods WITHOUT even having to watch this video?
Sock --- that’s true, but they had to learn it from somewhere.
@@purple2739 like fellow criminals they are friends with or reading a lockpicking manual or simply just learning
I guess you are new to the crime. Google "security through obscurity". You're welcome.
CorkKNIFE Security through obscurity isn't very good.
This lock was designed by a criminal intending to steal everything using his locks
Something similar to the Netherlands general police phone number: 0800 8844.
If you type it in it is 0800 TUIG (dutch for SCUM) Someone in a PR office had a good laugh when they approved that number.
AKA our government, they are good at stealing things using the law.
What was the motivation behind the handcuff design? Do they think cops are too dumb to figure out something that isn't a pair of handcuffs or what
+Danny Blue are your talking about the police car key? They are literally keyed the same. If you need on of those keys: Buy a used police car. To expensive? Buy a used taxi. Still to expensive? "Borrow" a taxi key. (a lot of used police cars becomes taxis)
@@sarowie Police/taxi keys are a 1284x you just buy them on ebay or other sources... why even borrow or buy a car to get one
I’m assuming it’s a time thing. They would only need to excess this is an “emergency” setting so they want to have a lock that the police always have on them just to not over complicate things.
The problem with that logic is that there's already an electromagnet override to open it. All the lock should be used for then is returning it to storage.
@@nolancarey8062 This is the kind of shit that white collar decision makers come up with for the ones that are actually out there pounding pavement.
Same thing in the military, watch 'Forgotten Weapons' or 'C&Rsenal' to see just how bad these upper level pencil pushers can fuck up a soldier's 'life or death' weapon with ridiculous specs that 'sound good' or are 'in vogue', but can often turn out to be colossal design weaknesses of these firearms. It's absurd. Give someone a little power, and they know just enough to fuck it up for thousands of those below them.
“Varying degrees of inadequacy...” I didn’t expect LPL to describe my sex life in this video...
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I love that the designers basically took a handcuff and beefed it up.
Edit: LOL I posted this before he got to the handcuff key part! A terrible design indeed.
Honestly, I wouldn't get any lock that you can't access by bending a paperclip with pliers.
@@thatguy.9886
You need pliers to bend a paperclip? I think you need to start hitting the gymn
@@Artyomthewalrus Bending the very tip can be difficult without perforating your thumb.
@@Artyomthewalrus i think you've never tried to make a rake with a paperclip before
At 4:38 "we can put a lock on the side of the lock" made me chuckle haha
Yeah... I made a boo boo.
Yeah, that was hilarious....
No, the makers of this lock made a giant boo boo. That is why crime is so high in the States. When every (un)skilled person can get a hold of police weapons in that way. I do hope the police cruisers have better locks.
While this is a very serious problem...getting guns from police isn't a big issue. A recent study found that US citizens own 46% of all guns in the world. This is more than all police forces in the world combined. This is more than all Armies in the world combined.
This leaves us at an odd impass. Gettings guns is stupid easy...yet if guns where such a huge problem as the media portrays...then everyone would be dead.
Denhalen79, he says in the video that this was taken out of a poilice car. Hopefully, that agency realized their mistake and took *all* of them out of service.
Just talked to my commander I work for lapd thank u sir for showing us this for are safety
@@h0tel1 That actually makes a lot of sense... that's why cops seem a bit dumb.
guess i cant be a cop then, not that it matters.
@@h0tel1 Why is sadly true. Exactly why we have so many worthless police officers out here. So stupid, one actually shot themselves in the foot. Do we really expect that from a public servant?
our* you illiterate fucking donkey
@M5 lol, this dude is 6 pretending to be a cop
My guy you’re like 10 bruh what are you talking about
I was a police chaplain in a 250 officer department in a city with high FBI crime stats. Also, I was the oldest person in uniform with a lot of life experience. I was often amazed at the way money got spent. The main problem was that the people who BOUGHT the gear weren't the people USING the gear... which is how this happens.
tfw you could literally steal a cop's firearm with a MAGNET!!
a magnetic guy would be very op there
"I WILL STEAL ALL YOUR GUNS BY TOUCHING THE SIDE OF YOUR LOCKS"
to be fair, that is not just any magnet, that is a very scary large magnet.
Isn't this just a beefed up handcuff? Every "exploit" is the same as every other handcuff.
Andrew Kemendo You could pretty easily redesign it to protect against the shim attack by relocating the latching cam to an internal and inaccessible area within the lock (a simple gear is all that would be needed to relocate the vulnerable element). You could also easily shield the latching cam from the magnet attack with simple magnetic shielding. But as for the rest, if you can just press a button to bypass everything..or use the world's least secure (handcuff) and most common key then what's the point -- it would be like placing the world's most secure lock on a screen door so weak you could practically walk through it unimpeded.
@@ethanpoole3443 well the button CAN make sense depending on where it is and the lock's application. if the criminal in the back of the car cant reach a button that is e.g. under the driver seat then fine.
for the rest well use the disc lock, use a megnetic shield (or dont use a magnetic eletrical opener) and secure the ratchet as you said
Way worse than the handcuffs that I played with. Those could be shimmed in position one but had position two where the cam is locked and it did not have the magnet exploit. On top of that they are behind your back making even the key option a bit hard to do.
@@DouglasEKnappMSAOM yeah the shimming sux, but the magnet is only because this "gun cuff" (lol) has electronic opening.
@@My1xT Sure but that is like saying that the door should have three types of keys that open it because it is a feature. The more ways you make to open something, the easier it becomes to find a way in as this is a prime example of.
Are you sure it`s a "lock" and not just a tool to secure rifles in place?!
mybluebelly true. It sounds more like a gun holder than a gun lock
why have a key then?
well it would be similar to for example a screw or so. that's no different than a handcuff key.
“Santacruzgunlocks”. Maybe he could sue them for false advertising
I think he could but he said that he wont:
twitter.com/LockPickingLwyr/status/988682773564141568
Wow! That is without doubt the least secure retainer I have ever seen. To think that in seconds anyone could remove an AR15 from an unattended patrol car is downright scary. Even with the better cores, the unshielded internal magnet release makes a mockery of security. Bonkers that it wasn't properly put through it's paces before departments purchased them. After seeing that I'd let my most devious C.I have a fiddle with it before trusting it. Or I could watch you point out the flaws. Your channel should be mandatory watching for anyone in the lock purchasing arena.
the protection this lock provides begins and ends with "it looks like it could be hard to open, so some people might not try"
The second he says "disappointing" in any of his videos, I hit LIKE.
Me at the beginning: Oh that bad
Later: Oh its SOOOO bad!
i have had more trouble getting into a zip lock bag.. you would think CHiPs would opt for that option XD
Where did you get the +100% lockpicking ring?
he picked the safe in Area 51 where it was stored
Khajiit has warez, if you have coin
You gotta be that good at lockpicking or anything before you get a +100% ring in it. You cant just go "pick one up"
I love how in all the gun lock videos of his that I have seen, he does not take a stance on gun issues. His stance is just get a better fucking lock!!
I would say that owning an AR and an AK _is_ taking a stance on gun issues really...
Potentially lethal flaw: "This is a little upsetting to me"
Low security padlock on 1026: HELLFIRE
You know that 90% of these are sold with the handcuff key lock. Also you don't even have to spend a dollar on a key; if you look around enough you will eventually find one of those $.25 toy vending machines with little locks that use handcuff keys.
Now I can finally have all the jawbreakers I desire.
Muahaha all the snacks are mine now
Wow, that is seriously flawed. And yes, those keys are very common.
what makes me cringe is the idea that someone being a bit crazy and violently disliking the Police might be rather likely to carry one AND be the most likely Person to be stupid/crazy enough to actually abuse the key to be able to abuse a gun...
in other words, i believe the handcuffkey is double bad as it makes the lock unsave against the group of people wich pose the biggest threat to the police.
A set of toy handcuffs comes with this same key, it's like $3 at family dollar js
I carry one of those keys. I have my own handcuffs from eBay just for interest and the key is on my main bunch. I carry it for no other reason than not to lose it.
I presume they use that key as if the officer gets into another vehicle then he know HIS key will fit. Although if they have the electromagnetic release then what’s the point. Unless they have a power failure.
I have one sewn into the back of every pair of pants I own.
@@illuminatimembershipinfo7590 Never know when you might need one when... _running errands_ ...
The oat flakes I eat for breakfast are much more difficult to open, for sure
FCarraro1, why and how do you open an oak flake
Bear Arms i don't really like chewing and swallowing the plastic package. It's a matter of tastes I guess
FCarraro1, then don't buy oat flakes made out of plastic.
Am I hearing it wrong or does he say "doot doo" at 4:08
Zeldaboy
He was trying to say “Very easy to get” and then changed it to “very easy to do” mid-sentence. Because I’d that it came out as: “Very easy to get-do”
I can’t unhear it lmao
🎵 Very very easy to doot doo. 💃🏻
4:39- not that funny but he also put a lock on the lock, but I was actually confused for a moment.
I was looking for this xD
"An expensive product, with a deadly serious purpose, and it provides shockingly little protection." Just about sums up the people who use this lock 😂
Looks like they have update their design since this.
From their website
" Examples of our long-standing commitment to product improvement include our patented shim protection and other safety features included in the SC-6 handcuff-style lock (which is an improvement to our SC-5 product), as well as our patented magnet protection included with our SC-1 and SC-1-AR clamshell style lock"
lmao they probably saw this video
Every time I see a Santa Cruz gun lock here or on another channel, I know it's going to be humiliated.
Everytime i see america, i know it is humiliating
That is shockingly abhorrent. This is the product of relying on the lowest bidder...
Sadly the lowest bidder is shockingly expensive
There’s a fair bit of consumer ignorance involved as well, I’d imagine.
Oh no doubt. consumer ignorance and the lowest bidder concept are often times bed partners in things like this.
How do I say this with a bit of ambiguity...while I am not LEO, the same rules that apply to their budget and decision making, apply to my particular organization. Often times what particular piece of equipment used is decided by someone in a different field with no real and/or practical knowledge of the device or the need it is supposed to fill. Also often, a need for equipment is realized and the job of filling it is contracted out to a 3rd party lowest bidder. This seems great to a budgeting committee but in reality it often times causes more problems then it solves simply because the decision makers and/or 3rd party are not familiar with the infrastructure and systems already in place.
LockPickingLawyer, watching the video I was a tad disappointed that you only addressed this from one perspective, but I accepted it because you focus is obviously locks, not police tactics, and nobody is perfectly impartial and fair, myself very much included. Seeing you down here taking part in the one-sided roasting with the commenters is a little more disappointing though.
Could it be that maybe the existince of a possible vulnerability isn't the only factor when it comes to selecting a gun lock like this? Maybe in an emergency situation the agency likes that any given officer who happens to be near that car is able to retrieve that weapon or that the officers don't have to deal with the overhead of a separate unique key.
So that's an upside. We already know the downside, but how big of a downside is it in practice? There are two main challenges for a lock. One is targets of opportunity, the other is someone who's hell bent on getting in, where the goal is to make it a less appealing target or inconvenience them long enough that they can be busted. Now, common as these handcuff keys may be, someone who's likely to try grabbing a gun from a squad car in the heat of the moment isn't likely to have one handy, nor have a pick or a shim, let alone a neodymium magnet, though those latter two exploits are something I CAN fault the manufacturer for. That combined with having to have the intent and the knowledge of how this particular lock works and the knowledge that the agency in your area is using this version takes care of 99.9% of the concern, the target of opportunity.
What's left is the possibility of a premeditated attack, which would require someone to not only come up with this plan and choose it over other means of obtaining a firearm, but to then find an unattended, unlocked police car somewhere and then get away with a long gun.
All in all I'd probably be more worried about the vulnerability of someone knocking out a police officer with a baseball bat or a half brick and taking the gun off their belt. Modern holsters make snatching the gun away in a fight difficult, but there's no lock on them at all.
Version 2.0 will be nothing but a picture of someone's angry looking mother. atleast it would make them think before taking the gun eh?
4:07 lol that sound like some potential song
Maybe they were thinking: Why should anybody steal a police gun? There are already more guns than citizens in the US.
Thanks for that video and the shotgun one.
I'm really shocked that both locks from the same manufacturer offer the same vulnerability with the magnet. This should be an optional choice that can be left out. Seriously. I really hope that not many police cruisers have this kind of security for their guns :-S
I know this is little to settle your mind about how bad this lock is but most police agencies consider the cars lock to be the main security for the weapon not the guns lock. That is just secondary since it is a bit harder to get into the car. And as with most locks they are to keep the honest folks honest. Thx m8 and keep up the great work.
Police cars "usually" standard keying, as in: They are literally keyed the same. If you need one of those keys: Buy a used police car. To expensive? Buy a used taxi. Still to expensive? "Borrow" a taxi key. (a lot of used police cars becomes taxis)
That's scary. Law enforcement weapons, especially those kept in public view, should be very well secured. Secured to a standard at least equal to but preferably higher than weapons owned by the public are required to be.
The magnet exploit is especially scary as it requires no skill and works no matter what lock core the lock contains. That exploit alone enables someone to steal the gun in seconds, putting a law enforcement weapon in the hands of a criminal.
But they're cops, they aren't held to the same standard as civilians and get away with far more lenient punishments when they break the same laws civilians have to adhere to.
tallman11282 my only thought about the magnet exploit is that I don't know how this lock is expected to be installed, and perhaps the place where the magnet is placed may not be accessible to an exploiter when properly installed in the wild.
I mean it doesn't excuse the other exploits, which are quite bad.
Considering the direction in which the upper portion of the lock opens the magnet-side would be against a mounting surface, which one can hope is a wall or the like, so I it is unlikely that it would work. Shimming might also be difficult if the lock is installed properly since it'd be hard to reach in with the shim, so that only leaves the key lock itself. If it isn't installed in a sensible manner however.... Yikes.
+Willy T This is not about cops and different standards. Ever worked for or with an administration, paper pushing bureaucrats and penny pinching managers/politicians? If you can not check it on paper, it does not exist. If a union of lock makers would develop a standard and a testing institute, then we could translate this real world exploit into the language of bureaucracy: Locks in police cars have to confirm standard (insert name) and must be tested by (insert name). This would get lazy lock makers (speak: Managers that have no idea what their product is in reality and just see dollar signs) to invest in barely fulfilling this new standard, raising the bar of the limbo competition to the lowest possible price ever so slightly of the ground and making safety at least a secondary concern.
Big Man Hockey The shim exploit is done on the opening side. The way you're supposed to open the shackle there's no way you can prevent shimming.
I agree you can embed the body in a wall to prevent the magnet attack but you can't prevent the shim attack without blocking normal opening.
You must have an incredible collection or you should have one. Maybe even a museum of sorts? I’m a new subscriber, you have caught my interest. I especially like that you own and use firearms and will be watching and search for ways to better secure mine. Thank you for sharing your expertise! I don’t have the practical need (much) but think I like the challenge of picking locks as a form of puzzle. I think I’ll start out with that clear pad lock and progress from there.
Something I never realized until watching your channel, is that the violin case I've had since middle school uses a handcuff key for its lock. So I've had a handcuff key on my keychain since my early teens without realizing it.
amazing what law enforcement buys these days.... looks like they would of better off with a high strength carbiner hooked up to American lock cylinders.
A standard zip tie is more secure.
put 5 of those big zip ties on anything and nobody's going to mess with it
The contract goes to the lowest bidder.
Theres a saying in the military; 'MILSPEC' (or in this case COPSPEC I guess lol) just means the lowest bidder to complete the governments contract.
Much like our military when it comes to these things...lowest bidder wins.
Great review,
Thanks for the info.
When the apocalypse comes, I'll know how to find a weapon with nothing more than an old sparkplug and a magnet or shim😎
Or, just a magnet
Even the version with a proper key is still absurdly inadequate to properly hold a firearm
Oh the sort of lock I taught myself to pick with a hairpin when I was 7, used to secure weapons. Pretty sure any adult could learn to pick it in 10-20 minutes even if they'd never seen the lock before. They must really be putting a lot of trust in not leaving these unattended
This is the most upset I've ever heard LPL, and I agree.
Well why not, a stolen bike is one thing. But a select fire assault rifle chambered in a military grade cartridge is an other thing entirely. I have seen Chinese knock off locks that offered more challenge.
Purge Blade #231 😂😂😂 I dare you to break into a cop car and try steal the gun inside!
The purchasing department must be a set of clueless individuals.
Rishi they probably are just numbers people and go with the lowest price.
Yes - that is the problem. The solution is to develop a standard, establish a testing lab and making this standard a requirement. Bureaucrats are clueless about the real world and the only way to communicate with them is by paper work.
No, they got very well paid (off) to select this lock.
I'm sure this thing is not cheap. Several hundred dollars at least.
No, not clueless. It’s just that not everyone can be an expert in everything. So you trust a lock company to make a good lock since you are not an expert in making locks. You expect the tire company to make good tires since you are not an expert in making tires. You expect the gasoline company to not sell you water.
There are a couple other brands but i think they are all junk. A hope and prayer on "locks only keep honest people honest"
I have to admit this is exactly the kind of lock I love to see. Simply because I love trying to find as many possible exploits as I can.
As for the functionality, I believe you just put a big red target on every police cruiser out there.
The entire law enforcement community as well as law abiding citizens everywhere must really appreciate you showing this to people.... You know, seeing as these may be in a car near you, your family and you're making it widely rapidly available. Great job richard.
Definitely important for people to see this. Because criminals know.
Security by obscurity is nuts
That's a shockingly bad lock and you are right to point it out
Holy shit.
Hopefully this will be seen by some of the right people at police departments and they'll be scrambling to replace every one of these that they have in use. It obviously makes no difference that the other keying options are more secure. The shim exploit alone makes the lock unusable.
What is that lock's intended purpose?
To hold a firearm in the back of a police car so that any officer can get access to it at a moment's notice.
Most officer-lost-firearm deaths come from firearms the officer had on them at the time, not one the felon took from the car. A felon doesn't walk up to a police car and steal the shotgun out the back, they take the pistol from the officer's hands and shoot them with that. You also don't hear of many instances of felons breaking into cop cars to steal the shotgun when the vehicle is unattended...
Improve the mechanisms sure, shield the lock from shims and magnets, but if a button in the car can open it why shouldn't a generic key?
Because the car likely won't be running when it is broken into. Not that I'm defending this terrible, terrible piece of shit.
I suspect the police car spec is simply to keep a casual passerby from quickly grabbing the firearm, not retention of the firearm from someone willing to spend some time defeating the lock or mechanism. And there is the consideration for extreme circumstances and accessibility that does not require a lot of dexterity to open should the need arise.
I suspect the police car spec reads more like "lowest bid gets the contract".
Lowest bid is a big factor, but places that require tender bids have minimum specs or specific item requests for bids.(I work in such a place). That handcuff key spec for instance is one that is specifically requested by departments for whatever reason they base their decision on, be it common key so any officer can access the firearm quickly without needing the vehicle key to hit the mag lock trigger because they already have the cuff key, and it is one less extra key they need to carry. And there is the fact that until recently (well, probably 10 years or so give or take, varies all over) long arms where in an unsecured rack for many departments. These simple locks are just to keep the casual passerby from grabbing the firearm not be a strong box intended to survive a specific attack and retain the firearm. In a SHTF situation, you don't want your officer having a cumbersom lock to deal with when their fingers are bloodied and needing to fight with a lock--those are the kinds of things that get looked at as well. Locks keep out the honest people, and thats what these simple locks amount to.
It's like wearing a dust mask for toxic materials lol
Umm no. No it's not. Having cumbersome lock is more analogous to putting firefighting equipment behind 11 locks and 7x4 number combinations. By the time you open and get your hands on your tools the house has burned down.
But this doesn't even take time. You can slap a magnet on it and defeat it with one hand and without even needing to take your eyes off the cop who walked away from his cruiser. That is beyond screwed up.
Thank goodness this guy is picking locks and pointing out why they suck so that they can be improved on, instead of using his power to completely destroy society by not being able to be contained by anything with a lock.
Love that you talk with your hands even though you're off camera(can see you in the reflection on the rivets)
Someone should get fired for each of those exploits.
America should lmao
Shameful Santa Cruz Gunlocks, absolutely shameful!
Shameful america
Exploit number 394: simply telling it to unlock
We have these at work, they took the key cores out and just put a latch in so you can get to the firearm quickly.
“One of the most disappointing locks I’ve ever seen”
Man it feels like a father talking about someone else’s child
While I love mechanics and locks and things in general I really like how you can word things in an interesting way. Maybe that's the layer side of you 🤣 "this I'd a rare case where I view the key as an exploit".
When the exploit to your AR lock is "just buy the key on amazon" you know you fucked up bad lol. If someone decides to do this they can literally order it in mere hours with prime now and go out and do it the same day that's absolutely ridiculous.
I'm getting over my anger. Granted police officers are shot at and need "instant access" but it is *soo* easy to bypass.
The magnet (available on Amazon) is a funny exploit.
The well known shim exploit for all handcuffs is trivial. Once the cops are out of the vehicle, a simple shim and Vola! the weapon can be turned against a cop or even a civilian.
Truly a PSA
Seems like this ratchet is significantly easier to defeat than a standard ziptie.
“Varying degrees of inadequacy” is my new favorite phrase