The Burning Platform: OneSA vs The DA
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2021
- One South Africa’s national spokeswoman, Mudzuli Rakhivhane, and Federal Leader of the Democratic Alliance, John Steenhuisen, join Gareth to share their thoughts on coalitions, how we should vote in the upcoming local elections, and their stance on racial issues in the country.
Remember after all of this is done that we still have to address loadshedding, poor service delivery, corruption. Let's not get too distracted.
Unfortunately SA cant seem to not get distracted by race. While we argue about who is more hurt and insulted, povery grows and people suffer.
All very sad.
Racism must be addressed as well.
@@paddymathekga3097 i dont think anyone disputes that, but when people are dying because of the poverty conditions they live in, I think we have more important things to worry about. Let get our priorities straight.
@@paddymathekga3097 Why? Honestly, why? why do we have to police other people's thoughts and biases as long as they leave us alone to get on?
@@paddymathekga3097 Where it exists and should be accompanied with a charge with SAPS/SAHRC. This is not an example unfortunately for you.
"No matter how you clean up a pig, it will always return into the swamp" profound African proverb
I agree as Africans say, there is no grave on earth big enough to bury an elephant as it were.
@@IanMulwitsky racism can't be hiden by speaking in tongues
@@IanMulwitsky this wise African wisdom has turned a racist red and jumped deep into the swamp!
@@franciszvigo5615 you probably think dogs are racist when they bark at you.
Whose phone is on???? It’s irritating.
Strategic voting is vital on Nov 1
Hey Gareth, I fired Nando's, their chicken isn't as good as it was anyway...
If the parties did not focus on race but rather the condition of SA and how to fix it. The racial war is breaking SA and used to cover up real issues.
Racism is what this country is built on... ignoring it won't solve anything. Certain issues have larger effects on certain races. That is the condition of South Africa.
It's easy to talk like that when you aren't marginalized. Our country was literally built on the carcass of a white supremacist state, the issues inherent inside that system left the majority population of the country with zero wealth, education, infrastructure and so on.
There's been little impetus to fix these problems and the lack of skills within our governance is very apparent. What is definitely an issue is the nationalism within all the political parties which all have interests aligned in protectionism and closed border policy. It's regressive and damages the economy by miniaturising the labour pool.
Siba & Kyle, I think you missing the point regarding non-racialism. Instead of focusing on how black people are we should be focusing on how poor people are. We need move away from superficial things like race that only divide and upset people and rather focus on the problems that we inherited from Apartheid. We should focus on poverty.
So instead of focusing on what people look like and rather focusing on their actions we able to hold a government accountable for outcomes that affect the people that need help the most.
When we focus on skin colour we have the most powerful elite able to create a system that they only benefit from because your basic measurements are only skin colour. What they do and say is not measured.
When you focus on peoples actions you are able to recognise the effort of white people helping poor people just as much as black people helping poor people. When you focus on poverty without skin colour all effort can be praised and lack of action criticised equally.
I have never heard a single white person say don't help the poor, don't build schools in poor communities, don't give out title deeds for people living on state land.
Our problems we face are poverty and a government that is purposefully seeking to keep the poor, poor and dependant on the state. The EFF and ANC don't want the black majority to uplift themselves to a better life and future because then they will loose control of the black majority.
Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Jean-Bédel Bokassa, Macias Nguema. African leaders have been using the same recipe book to exploit their people for decades. Often with violence but always with pointing finger at somebody else while they rob, cheat and steal.
Its the British, Its the Americans, its the white people, its the foreigners, its the private sector, its the Indian's.
All of this finger pointing based on some narrow stereotype always move the conversation away from the problem, and the problem is poverty, huge amounts of poverty.
Why are we not talking about ways that we can incentivize some rich white house wife living in Cape Town or Sandton with a tax breaks when she pays for her domestics children to go a private school.
The only way we can solve our biggest problems is by bringing people together, not by tearing them apart. When we focus on skin colour we drive people apart and move away form the problem. When we focus on poverty we bring people together and move closer to the problem.
@@kylefleming7680 not sure under which rock you are stuck in . Think before you ink
@@JF-NG Powerful words! Maturity speaking. There are so many toys outside the cot. Too many think good governance is about wielding power and self- enrichment and not about serving ALL communities.
There must be choice. Municipal and National. Not just ANC or DA. In my opinion.
Our only choice is to vote DA to save this country.
@@Hair-today lol
Germany has a very healthy diversity of political parties right now. There's so little chance for any party to get minority that every government is a coalition essentially
@@Hair-today No,MR MASHABA IS THE RIGHT MAN TO VOTE FOR
@@Hair-today 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
that cellphone is annoying
I watched the video now for the first time and I wonder how many people watched the whole 59 minutes before passing judgement. I think everyone was cordial, Gareth maybe a bit less because he was running the show. I think he dragged John a lot about what the DA has done wrong or not done when they should have.
I think both party members gave each other plenty of space to speak which was great, we wouldn't have seen that if the EFF or ANC had've been there but it did get a bit heated and John looked like we all do when someone is fighting and you aren't involved and you don't know where to look with a nervous face or what to do with himself because there is nothing you can say in that situation.
Gareth Cliff can be quite egotistical in his response but his underlying argument was correct its not about her feeling or racism. It's about service delivery and the lack of it that is what this election is about, we are all sick of dirty cities, potholes, street lights that don't work, police we are scared to call because we aren't sure if they will come or it will be more of a problem. That's what we will be voting for November 1. Whoever you vote for vote for them because of what you don't believe you are getting and what you would like to get.
Service delivery and anti-racism are not mutually exclusive. None is more important than the other. My problem is when one group wants to tell another how to feel. That their lived experiences are trivial and shouldn’t inform their choice of political party. That thinking is akin to saying that a woman must marry or stay married to an abusive husband because he provides a home, food, money (service delivery) for her.
@@lindanigumede9303 For heaven's sake..what about 'sticking to a topic' in a debate, don't you get? Disrespecting the host and the other guest by going off topic about personal grievances, is very immature and unprofessional. Take your gripes to the human rights commission and be pro active on a platform that has been provided to each and every citizen. Or start your own channel where you can call the shots...become an influencer..not a cry baby... then you will be taken seriously. Now? Not so much!
@@jaconwood all three of them, including the host, digressed. Gareth said so himself.
@@lindanigumede9303 Sigh.. did John complain about his personal experiences?
@@jaconwood neither did Mudzuli. She simply said ‘you haven’t experienced the racism that I experience’ in response to Gareth statement that racism isn’t an issue in elections. That’s a very fair response when someone tries to minimise what something that is a big deal for you, simply because it doesn’t affect them.
it's also really insulting when John wants to go into hero-mode about the "1100 extra police police available in the city of Cape Town" when that police presence is nowhere to be seen when gang violence arises and communities in that very same Cape Town are left helpless
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The thousands extra police is significant. 1. they doing national governments job. No one else has that and even the DA have admitted it not enough and if they can get more out of the next budget they will. And I have heard nothing but good things about the LEAP officers. Your comment is the first i have seen. So excuse me if I dont believe you.
@@fin2643 i say I dont believe her because I have only heard good things about the DA LEAP officer programme with people praising it. And no I dont live in a DA municipality, I wish I was then maybe were I lived would not look so run down and falling apart with crime out of control.
@@abduragmaanabrahams1908 I lived in Cape Town for 4 years and I did not feel the presence of the extra police.
@@mosiditlhokoe9334 The Leap programme is new, it has only recently been launched!
The buzzing is so irritating
Bru 😑😑😑
John - show some respect : you can say her name …. It’s Mudzuli…. Try it .. it’s not difficult. You’re condescending and quite frankly conceited.
Well done Mudzuli - you conducted yourself with dignity and humility. Kudos to you!
Oh please
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Maybe because of his up bringing he can not pronounce her name? I know of alot of Zulu and isiXhosa speaking people who struggle to pronounce Afrikaans names. Why make an issue about it? Mudzuli didn't stand her ground, it was a political debate and she kept speaking about her feelings and emotions, very unprofessional. If you watched the whole thing she was busy on her phone uninterested and she didn't know the full story on most of the issues.
Black South Africans care about their feelings! we need to care about getting things done not be on our feelings about "Ooo that dude is racist" let's make our people's lives better that's the most important issue right now.
Dude you liked by many whites right now lol but just mention apartheid you'll see and feel feelings change loooo
after this video was slammed by the media I thought that it would be improper to agree with them based on a few soundbites and actually watch the WHOLE video.....so after watching the WHOLE video, I get a different picture from what is presented in the media, and now I'm subscribed to this channel :P :P :P
All publicity is good, thank the media :P
same here
Never trust MSM
I also came here because of media noises and found none of those. I found that Gareth is doing what the mainstream don't and they say Nandos pulled out? We need these debates.
Agree… we need these debates….. so refreshing to hear real differences being debated intellectually. That lady is very good… like to see more of her. She handled herself exceptionally well amongst two seasoned professionals…. 👏👏👏
Mr Steenhuisen, it would be a good example set if you could say her name! not "the other guest"... I'm wondering if this is a sign of how women will continue to be treated in this country??????? SAY HER NAME..... MUDZULI RAKHIVHANE. I promise you wont choke!! Unless of course the struggle is with pronunciation???
I would be more honourable to make a fair attempt at the pronunciation and fail than no attempt at all.
Good thing you didn't pick up when he switched to "honourable member" and those connotations
You are all nit - picking while our country is in deep crisis!!
If it was for pronounciation, this man truly is a clown. Making the language issue his own 🤡
He was so passive aggressive.
I think it's not fair that people will dismiss the fact that our country is going down the drain because of a lack of service delivery and want to make "RACISM" seem like our main problem. We need to be able to listen to a person who has best interest at heart for our country and not focus on the color of that person.
Cannot agree with you more....we need to get over this frigging hurdle!
It's true. People will stop being so angry when there is a more balanced approach to matters.
and i think its not fair to dismiss another persons experiences as less important....especially knowing that the huge inequality gap that exists today is because of the very same racism.....our "main problem" 2day is not the actual in your face racism ...it is the remaining effects of that racism on our people...
@@fin2643 we all know that and this was certainly not the platform for that .We have elections looming thats the matter on hand , not slipping in black and white drama.
Well said.... You are 100% right
Mudzuli certainly shows that she is able to build an argument and she does so respectfully.
I pray Black people become capitalists and not the victims of it, cause it's the one reason why we will always have these racism conversations. Oppression is all we know, but we never do anything revolutionary to change our situations.
Capitalism exists through the exploitation of the working class, which is largely made up of black people. Turning into capitalists is not the solution
@@bulalipepeteka7459 there are a number of companies that profit without exploiting their workforce. Maybe we should focus on seeing how we can use capitalism to our advantage rather than seeing money as an enemy.
You can’t replace white capitalism with black capitalism xD 🤦♂️
@@boondocksripoff2237 let's not assign human traits to an economic system.
@@bulalipepeteka7459 what would be your solution, Communism? Socialism?
49:23 I love that question 😅
Loved it 😊
Very personal😂😂😂
I like how Mudzuli kept it together even when Gareth made a mockery of her. Now that's emotional intelligence.
Bring in Herman Mashaba Gareth.
He was on a previous episode already
Not to minimise the relevance of racism, but I agree with Cliff. Debates on race continue to be used by politicians to distract from urgent substantial issues on the ground... It's a fact 😊
Correct
This interview comes across like a advertorial for the DA. I wonder if the interviewer is getting paid or if he's just canvassing on their behalf?
@ cock dice , you clearly don’t know Gareth Cliff ,Rather you refrain from posting rubbish, GARETH says it like it is , he pulls no punches
That sounds about right…
Only because she's not in Johns league.
I don’t see why Nandos canceled their sponsorship, I mean they were speaking over each other way before the point of contention and also I think everyone is entitled to view issues their own way and that should be fine, don’t really see anything racist here mara hey that’s me
Majority of Nandos clientele is black and they promote freedom of expression but not at the expense of invalidating the lived experiences of black people in South Africa. And Gareth has a history of being a racist, so that didn't help him as his intentions will always be judged based on the personality and character he displays as a human. Nandos is running a business, so they won't nurse controversial personalities who won't contribute on their business growth. Katlego Maboe was cancelled by Outsurance on unproven allegations of abuse, businesses don't associate with negativity, it's bad for business. Majority of whites would rather speak about weather than racism, and it's never going to disappear, we will have it on a daily basis whenever the opportunity presents itself. You can't be told by a white person not to talk about racism, they don't know racism, they never felt it, to them it's just a mere victim card.
@@melikhayazagagana3761 Voetsek man, you could have played with your child or washed your car in the time it took you to write that BS. Get a life and move on. We need to focus on forward thinking politics not dig up the ancestors
The guy said racism is not a big issue this is from the IRR study ? It's not a big issue to whom? The IRR never asked me or people with my lived experience No they did not and wants that IRR study to be the all and end all and disregard the young woman's lived experience dismissed it as anecdotal. When in real life service delivery is directly linked to racism the people excluded from everything are blacks it's easy to blame the ANC because they're in government when you want to ignore why the ANC is incapacitated from delivering service to the people it intends to
@@Hair-today Confused little cheeky white telling me what I should have done, well I should have done a lot of things, but this takes preference, and privileged spoilt brats like you rather talk about weather, this topic is above your reach.
@@khayata-khijo4756 IRR for whites by whites, I doesn't concern us, they must leave us out. They are trying to silence the racism talk, they won't win, not now, not ever.
Nandos cancelled Gareth over this? Smh. Soft.
Honestly people need to grow a pair 🤧
Looks like Gareth and John formed a coalition here....... Grilling that girl yoh u 2 guys where where nasty.... Gareth looks like he is definitely a DA supporter.....
Who is not a DA supporter? We have to be to get the ANC out.
DA, PA or ActionSA. Get the ANC the Fuck outta there.
Agreed!!!!
@@mircagardenman7629 You forgot EFF. That's the party I'm unapologetically voting for.
@@Hair-today 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Lunatic of The Day has thus been identified.
All this gets so boring, same old stuff every day. Why don’t we get that chip off our shoulder and get on with trying to sort the mess that South Africa (our beloved country) is in.
I've canceled Nandos from my diet indefinitely.
Such a great speech at 51.10 Gareth, the way that the ANC wins, is by having the multitude of parties squabble over scraps. All parties in opposition, should consolidate a single voice, not by power share, but by showing the failings of the worst government ever to rule the roost in SA. Please combine and oust the rot that is the ANC.
Nailed it!
The worst government to rule SA? Pretty sure the np during apartheid was much worse.
@@kylefleming7680 I think they Apples and Oranges and depends on what you comparing. The NP under Apartheid were an oppressive one party state but they knew how to build and manage infrastructure effectively, if only for a portion of the population. The ANC on the other hand are a socialist one party state in a constitutional democracy that does not care about how well anything is manged other than the socialist expansion of power and money. So comparing them both like all governments are the same thing is like comparing North Korea and South Korea. They might both call themselves government but they not the same thing and both suck, but in completely different ways
NP introducing apartheid and segregation, systematic violation of human rights and dignity is what we should strive for right. You can't get any worse than the ANC right. I mean raiding black homes in the middle of the night terrorising black families in full view of kids is better than the ANC. Lynching black people. Have missing family members via the goverment of the NP is better right?
@@thabonxumalo1957 And the ANC putting burning tires around black peoples necks was fantastic. Both NP and ANC suck in their own special ways.
Not a fan of OneSA... kodwa kee Sisi qhubeka ngomsebenzi omhle ✊. Ayasaba amagwala
yep, she's doing better than me. I'm just sitting at home wishing things to be better... makaqhubeke usisi
Hopefully when the dust settles South Africans can deal with the current ANC government the same way they deal with 'racists/racism'. We need more people like Thomas Sowell, Glen Loury and the likes in SA. Lived experiences are important to individuals who went through those experiences maybe to their friends and family or even community, however lived experiences are subjective. I think Cliff was really trying to move the debate away from I (identity politics), to what ordinary South Africans actually need and what needs to change. To call the guy a racists, well I don't think that is well founded in the context of this discussion.
Thank yu, my thoughts exactly.
this is the best response i have seen about this whole topic
what do you understand racism to be????? the inequality that exists in RSA today is because of racism...oh i guess its "not important"
@@fin2643 thank God you can see that racism( BEE, affirmative action) caused the inequalities in SA
Your the first to make a sensible statement.
I love the fact that the DA generate their own electricity. One sure way of broadening this initiative is to make use of ocean current technology
DA municipalities will procure their own electricity. No more load shedding if you vote DA into power.
@@Hair-today lol
@@Hair-today CoCt residents still experience loadshedding. literally right no actually.
What does that mean? We still experiencing high tariffs and loadshedding... so clearer this is irrelevant
If you voted ANC then you only have yourself to blame. I’m sitting with rolling blackouts too. Thanks to the parasitic ANC who haven’t maintained power stations for 27 years.
I don't believe or think that Gareth is a racist . He should have acknowledged her experience and her feelings but this whole saga is taken out of context...the lady naye was moving away from what was discussed
Even so that doesn’t justify whatever Gareff said .
He isn't racist but he ignorant in the sense that he doesn't see how race is closely aligned to your experiences in our society. She wasn't going off topic, she was explaining her experience and that of MANY women of colour. That's why this story became so big. He dismissed that.
Damian...nothing to do with race...all to do with culture. The colour of your skin does not speak for you.
@@Hellstothenaw It actually does for every ignorant person. If choose to talk over someone instead of listening to them explain their experience for you to understand like in this example? You'll continue to project internalized racism like he is doing right now. How is he as a white man able to say that black women don't share the same experience as this woman? How did he come to this conclusion?
This generation of acknowledge my feelings is truly annoying, I don't have to acknowledge nobody's feelings cliff did nothing to her why must he apologise
why does Gareth keep saying "we"?? Whose the "we" he keeps referring to cos I'm certain it's not the 90% of this country's population. Yt folks are very good at dismissing racism as if it's something that doesn't exist.
This moved out of the local election conversation to a national conversation
The ANC is a sad estate. The promises of 1 million homes and not even 1 was built .
Debate was just purely robust and Lady didn't hold any punches back throughout either. Of course race issues remain sensitive in this country but from this specific sitting perspective, I don't see anything wrong here. It was just a robust and frank debate, this country needs it 🔥🔥🔥
I agree 100% it's healthy
Yhooo, it's not yet uHuru in South Africa it's easy to throw any word around please be sensitive Gareth
especially when you are dealing with racism do not say nobody cares.It',s fine when you say you do mot care.
Only white people will agree with you
You all came here for the part from 29:00
Please leave a comment below of the "daily racism" you are experiencing as a south african:
I do not agree with some of the things that Gareth said but he has a point in somewhere. I do not go to sleep thinking about racism, but a lot of the things that I worry about is because of the ripple effects of a racist system that lasted centuries and manifested itself in the Apartheid era. I am going to subscribe to this show, its direct and intriguing, JJ Tabane should be invited.
You don't go to sleep thinking about racism but still have a lot of things you worry about because of the ripple effects of a racist system. I find that statement conflicted. Personally, I think the DA should be clear that it is not about protecting the gains made from a racist system but ensuring that where possible those who were left behind are brought to an equal footing in the distribution of wealth. I think these issues are clearly articulated by both Mashaba and Maimane and more radically by EFF. As for the ANC, it has maintained the status quo and only made it possible for those who are politically connected to amass wealth by corrupt means.
Gareth Cliff has the right to freedom of speech, just like we all do!! If the lady couldn’t hold her own in the debate, that’s her own fault. John handled himself perfectly 👌👌
Ai siyakuzwa nduna🤧
A will say, this is a bit short for the nuance that is required. It got heated and during that heated moment and pushing perspectives aside, is where the discussion could have continued deeper and longer to explain perspectives and opinions. Otherwise, this is good.
Mudzhuli is young and maybe a bit inexperienced but she impressed me. I think we must have these uncomfortable conversations, tackle race issues head on and bloody well get over it.
dude there are no race issues in SA, they only exist in politicians little minds not in reality
@@atriddles689 oh my oh my, uhlalaphi? A racially polarized society like South Africa and you say there's no race issues. It's not politicians who experience racism it's people on the ground and millions of them experience it everyday. And the perpetrators are so clever that when you bring it they turn things around and make it like you are the one creating race issues.
Gareth, a suggestion: could you give Mudzhuli in invite back and give her an opportunity to air all her grievances on how tough her life is as a young, black woman in South Africa? Then the next time, maybe interview a young, white woman from a 'plakker's kamp' in Jo'burg and then a young, coloured woman, living in Bonteheuwel? Or is my suggestion 'racist'? Come on; let's all have a pity party together and get it out of our systems.
@@andilenkumanda2392 It's racially polarized by politicians and please give an example of a politician who experienced racism in SA. The thing is people like you see racism in everything and according to you every time you have a disagreement with a white man you scream racism, yet if you have an agreement with a black person with the same issue with the white man, you don't consider it racism, do you see the hypocrisy or the stupidity here?
@@jaconwood truth that cannot be said out loud
SA is a complex place.
Race is a problem. Service delivery is a problem.
Fix both.
Race isn't a problem. You have eaten the fruit of left wing ideology. What is on top of the agenda for all people is jobs. at 74% unemployment it is crucial that we pay attention to that and stop cadre deployment by the ANC where incompetent people are put in positions and incapable of running these departments and where tender fraud is rife. It affects everybody down to the poorest of the poor. It is only politicians who rate racism as as a priority because it is a diversion from the extremely bad policies they are intent on pushing such as EWC and also BBBEE. Neither of these policies bring in investment and in fact chase away potential investors who bring jobs and training which we truly need. I have no patience with people who push the race narrative in order to gain more votes. It doesn't work and has never worked. If you want Cuba or Venezuela style government then rather go there.
Cancel ANC!
@@maryduplessis2510 I agree with what you say and you have valid points. However I urge you to lead with empathy. There are South African kids who resort to dancing by the robots for pocket change, and there are South African kids who owns horses. Both are South Africa. My point is we have an unequal distribution of wealth and service delivery caused by ANC and apartheid. I say , let’s fix them both!!! That is our duty as South Africans
It's white people like you that further convince me that white people should never rule sa again... Race is real... Very much alive in SA... You will never understand you are not black.. You don't go through 2 hour meetings at work in Afrikaans, or never get paid fair salary when working just as hard... Or being charged higher interest rates... Or jobs that say must speak Afrikaans but the job clearly can be done in English.. Just stop commenting on what you don't know...
@@maryduplessis2510 what you wrote here is complete nonsense. Racism is the root of this "poor service delivery" if you must know.
Our culture sometimes can be detrimental to other things. For instance we don’t talk over another person. It’s absolutely rude..
And she handled it so well.
When it suits us, be specific
Yes you do if you are the host. She must toola
@@Hair-todayOur culture doesn’t allow it, but she acted professionally n apologized afterwards.
@@khanyanqabomzinqundwana7599 create your own response n be “specific”. If pha kowenu anihloniphani ngeyenu leyo
The official opposition is a marketing slogan - there's no such thing. You win or you lose elections OFFICIALLY, and then you OFFICIALLY gain representation of your constituents as allowed by the LAW in council or parliament - which is how things become OFFICIAL i.e. by LAW. You can't hypnotize people into voting for you because you've drowned out every other opinion - it is ONE person, ONE vote NOT ONE person TWO choices.
We dont won't vakcine. Big No
Get the jab mampara
As for John, shame school is really important
@siyabonga xashimba as for you!!! You need to source out a working brain .clearly is more important to fill your vaccum🤣
It's important because you've been systematically manipulated to think that way
@@amm7088 you brain definitely doesn't work
As if you sound schooled! Lol
@@dailyfx1415 true to your name you seem to have skipped your daily fx ! NB :chronic meds are important
ACTIONSA, all the way. The ANC we dont even go there. Tired of both the DAs lies to cover up its interesting backstories and false prospects. The DA doesn't realise that it doesnt possess the ability to develop South Africa, as we can see in the Western Cape they can only sustain previous development. That's on a national level, on a local Level the DA's candidates are useless career politicians. And the focus of the DA is on the middle and upper class and ignores the lower class citizen. A proper political party focuses on both socioeconomic groups. I can see ACTIONSA as this party. Mr Steenhuisen has also cost his party great loss as he has lost a serious aspect that SAs voters look for, the representation of color in the higher echelons of the DA. He also ignores that ACTIONSAs clear focus is to unseat the ANC, the mere fact that Steenhuisen had to bring ACTIONSA up shows that ACTIONSA is of great concern to him and his party. As we can see in Johannesburg, ACTIONSA has a great chance of overpowering the DA. Clearly not as an opposition to the DA but the greater concern, the tyrannical ANC. As for OneSA, independent candidates may create small changes in local government elections, not large but small, as we heard they only have around 250 Candidates nationwide in all wards, Durban Alone has 300 wards. Also independent Candidate systems cannot change South Africa nationally. Voters majoritarially also tend not to lean towards independent Candidates. If a candidate is independent they have their own views and no accountability, therefore if they have to be inline with OneSAs views they are no longer independent. So after all this consideration, I place my underage trust upon ACTIONSA.
How did one SA do in the elections?
Truth is truth, not perception of truth or how we perceive it. This is Local Goverment elections to stabilize ones home environment, from which other important issues can then be addressed. This is the natural order of life, no matter how much debate you put into it..
Overall a very informative discussion. I skipped over parts that I felt were useless to me. I really only care about progress and clear goals. Thank you for the guests coming, really appreciate both of them. And Gareth of course for the platform. It's good that he has his own thing where he can be unwavering about his opinions and is free to ask what he wants. There were times I felt like he was leading the DA 's replies but oh well... It's refreshing even if I might disagree.
The most viewed video on this channel, more than 10 times his average views!
For the comments and smirk go to 38:00
I didn't really think too much of the smirk although I tend to agree with Gareth Cliff but his demeanour was abrasive, frustrated and dismissive there. Came off rough which didn't help his cause clearly.
Jeepers. Who left their phone on vibrate right next to the mic? That's why Nandos dropped the podcast.
No, don't run away from the true, we all know why they dropped the show
@@thembindhlovu7234 I think Marco was making what one might call a "joke" you should look it up sometime
I still can’t believe how Garreth let John bring up race in his arguments, and he dismissed this lady when she wanted to bring up race. I really don’t get it.
Nobody gives a toss. We here about politics
Mudzhuli. Very impressive articulation and how you held your own. Mature young lady,
Why was Gareth fired from idols?
he was to light of color...
@@keananlambrechts111 Is that so? I heard different.
Should have invited Desz Bernardo #direct elections
It's funny how Gareth dismissed this poor lady's 'anedotes' cos 'hes not interested in identity politics' yet he closed the show off with his own anecdote...
Exactly. He's full of sh*t
@@sfisomagoso5789 So you want to vote for very destructive EFF policies that will destroy our economy, just because you think the EFF are more educated??? The very policies chosen by the EFF clearly show you that they are not!!
@@sfisomagoso5789 The only way we can save South Africa and the ONE economy we all share, is by standing together and putting the COUNTRY first !! That will have the effect of fixing everything for everyone!! If not, we will all sink together!
@@sfisomagoso5789 lol. Welcome to 2021
We can never discuss or debate anything because of identity politics- cancel culture must fall!!
This is about service delivery not identify politics,I don't care about your race ,gender ethnicity ,sexual orientation or whatever. Can you fix the issues that are in my neighborhood.thats it.
Yes the DA will fix a lot of stuff if we give them a solid 50% plus in these elections. You can fix this my man!
@@Hair-today give the EFF all your votes. The DA are whitewashed. We want back our lands!!
The cellphone sms vibrations are really distracting and annoying.
Gareth stated to John that he does not invite people on his show to give them an easy ride.
I don't see anything wrong done by Cliff...We are a very sensitive society. His points are valid
Cliff is to straight to the point for todays woke sensitige society.
There is nothing racist about this. I don't understand what the fuss is about. Watch the whole thing and ignore the misdirecting media narrative.
Thabo Gabela us blacks every thing that a white man says/does to blacks is racist. Some just jump in the bandwagon withiout seeing the video. I am sick of this word !!! RACIST.
You are gullible that's why
what police is he talking about when there literally no policing in khaye;itsha or it does not fall under the colony of WC
He says competent people should be put in the right positions, what qualifies him to be the leader of DA when he is probably the least educated person within the DA, how is this not Cadre deployment?
It's not cadre deployment because he is a demonstrated leader. He wasn't assigned to his role through nepotism, but rather based on the merit of experience. The fact that he doesn't have a degree is unfortunate, but it's not a necessity.. At least the man finished highschool with decent marks, and attempted to get a degree (he stopped due to financial difficulties and needing to focus on work instead- a degree eventually became unnecessary).
I don't think you should knock him down for this. But I do hope you were upset that Zuma made it to president of our country without even finishing high-school- and while he was being accused of corruption and collusion.
@Edit Name 💀😂😂😂true
hE IS PLEASED WITH EVERYTHING THE JOHN GUY SAYS ON THIS INTERVIEW. THAT SAYS A ALOT ABOUT THE HOST
Yes he is trying to get the truth you fool
@@Hair-today After a few of your comments here, we can reliably conclude you are the biggest fool here. He proly comes after you!!
@@Hair-today his resists truth , I know boo we all know
Was it something you said Garaaaaf ?....can't wait for Monday....give it horns....
Yaaaaas!
No, it was NEVER right to lock down.
I watched a documentary about Madagascar yesterday. Just like Africa, when the colonizers moved out the local corrupt, useless government turned the once flourishing country into a toilet. Exactly what happened in the rest of Africa. When will the bantus realize that they are inadequate to govern and that they should welcome adequate people to assist them. Why live like dogs in the mud? Come now people.
I am battling to find what the issue was.. Gareth should just have acknowledged her experiences but he didn’t want to be drawn into race issues.. the theme was service delivery
Thank you!!!
@Lloyd Venske Agreed- and now Gareth has been very unfairly cancelled by Nandos and the wokerati! What a terrible shame!
Service delivery for whom?
@@districtsix6703 All of us. Our infrastructure is falling apart.. I don’t drink tap water anymore
please did you watch this podcast she did not bring up the race issue Gareth did, when he brought up the posters in Phenix and John DA started with his hero shit.
Experience Racism on a daily basis? If only Gareth Cliff would just have let her elaborate on that statement
....the discussion is about service delivery etc.... not about race!!
We are all sick and tired of the race issue over and over again! Good for Gareth for interrupting her!!
@@teresavanheerden2597 restitution do that then be tired hey wena. 🙄
@@teresavanheerden2597 we are tired of being racially discriminated against... Lucky for you, you only get to hear about it instead of living through it.
Gender and race inequality is the biggest problem and it's something not to be ignored. First and above all before anything else as a black person.
Is it really?
I love the way she speaks, sorry if it sounds rude but its rare in this country. Im highly impressed.
Ok now im annoyed tht she pulled the identity politics race card. What a pity
I don't see what people are going crazy about with Gareth here, this was very nice chat overall though.
typical SA - as soon as someone opens their mouth, they get shut down or are called a racist.
And I also subscribed after seeing this :)
...whoz phone be buzzing like that ..damn?
Lol! Does Gareth buy his books by the meter at Hospice?
How saddening I'm literally in disbelief
Why these conversations are vital. Afrikaans is a language spoken by 7 million of people, a lot living in the WC.
@@sandrajansevanvuuren7121 i dont think her comment was in reference to the language discussion. And you should update your numbers. I think the latest figures is double that.
At this point, I really don’t care who wins the elections as long as the DA continues to run Cape Town I’m happy.
You won’t be happy for too long😬
@@davidfrederick4530 I beg to differ.
I think I know why he was dropped.
It's because he took what she said and summed it up as a faux racial experience when she had described it as a personal experience.
And her point was fair, if John can make an anecdotal point, then so could she. But while John's wasn't challenged, her's was dismissed as faux racial outrage.
But i mean, Gareth has never been known for tact.
But in this case, he did bring race into it, by incorrectly assuming that she had. And preemptively dismissing her experience as a "black woman."
Is it right. Not necessarily.
But Nando's saw a potential crapstorm and wanted to distance themselves from it.
Which of the 3 can't turn off the damn vibrate?
As a white man who grew up in post apartheid SA I have to say this was handled really poorly. The interview could’ve been done differently. Gareth should’ve been more aware of how she might’ve felt trying to silence her after years of black South Africans voices being silenced. Everybody’s opinion is of value and to dismiss that - regardless of race - is terrible
He unapologetically stopped the discourse of because of my sex and race I'm relevant rather than the substance of my argument. South Africa will be far better of if we focus more on substance rather than racial makeup. It's a manicipal election debate for goodness sake!
"He must be aware of how anyone would feel if they silence them"
Gareth your white privilage even before you were born was determined on race. Now that you have all that you have race doesnt matter anymore. How selfish and ignorant is that. This country is racially divided period.
Divided by your ancestors
Nandos must stop sponsoring this nonsense
Shame on you Nandos! Why the hell are people so political correct. Nothing wrong with GC's response.
True about universities.
Based Gareth Cliff
Bzzz.....Bzzzz.....Bzzzzz
Apart from Gareth Cliff's absolute disregard for REAL STRUGGLES majority of the SA population is really really an indication of the HUGE divide between people in South Africa. It is however COMPLETELY unacceptable to tell someone their expirience of racism are anecdotal and UNIMPORTANT 😲😲😲😲 NO!
To much emotion, SA needs leadership to take us out of the past poor and criminal leadership wee have had. I don’t see it hear !
I agree with what Mudzuli is saying and it is something that needs to be spoken about in the broader discussion, and I feel like Gareth often didn't give her enough space to expand her thoughts.
But for it to justify having a sponsorship deal cut, I think we are focusing way too much negative energy on something that should be encouraged - emotive discussions. This was just a heated discussion with a person like Gareth Cliff who is opinionated and coming from a different perspective in a bad manner.
I agree, he definitely could've handled this better but losing a sponsorship definitely doesnt help. Its moments like this that are meant to to be teachable as opposed to this harsh cancel culture which ultimately lessens the opportunity for important convos
@@sedi2066 You have loads of good discussions and have a 20 second bad moment and boom, cancelled. Welcome to the heightened media environment of the 21st century.
What I do agree with John to bring the ANC below 50%
And racism to 0!!
As much as John is a great chief whip and adept at ripping the ANC to shreds, left feeling underwhelmed by him, concerning for the future of the DA.
I am very disappointed in the DA here in Cape Town. Under their watch, shacks have been and are being erected on the pavement on the main road in Observatory. Another issue is the drug trafficking that is openly allowed on the streets and from the 'businesses' run by foreigners in these suburbs along the main road. The homeless are allowed to roam free, litter, pollute, damage property, and steal to their heart's content. I will not vote for the DA again.
Never apologise to a mob.
Good for him, John soon will go back to selling dog shampoo, and Gareth will continue exploiting free platforms to feed himself, coz soon nobody will associate themselves with crony racists.
@MELIK Shut up
@@Hellstothenaw I don't take orders from unwashed idiots.
It was very wrong for Gareth to speak over Mudzuli, however I personally agree with him when he boldly addresses the fact that identity politics won't get us anywhere, the race card technique has long expired and Mudzuli is a brilliant lady who is capable of being upright and stand her ground without playing one, we need strategic leaders to carry us forward to reach unsigned heights with the current or better yet amended constitution. Overall, the conversation was an amazing and insightful one.
One day we must prove whether Cape Town is well run or not, for me staying and working here, I have a different view.
People in the cape flat would beg to differ with well run
No need to prove it, the AG results speak for themselves and shows that DA run municipalities are well run.
@@richardmarshall1647 facts.
Is the poorest person living in Cape Town any different from one elsewhere in SA?
We seem to divorce inequality from race, and the fact that black and coloured communities receive the WORST services. Very evident in Cape Town...it's disgusting
@@lebohangdube3902 well yes there probably would be:
1 They have a far greater opportunity to receive employment for starters, as Cape Town apparently has the lowest employment rate.
2. Once employed it is far more likely they’ll receive services than other municipalities.
Proven by the hundreds and thousands of poor that migrate from other failed ANC provinces.
No thanks to the Incompetently run black ANC government and it’s failed policies.
You should have asked John what the DA's stance is on the brutal, unprovoked attacks by police on citizens of Cape Town in Sea Point. Rumour has it that the rich residents in Sea Point do not want their white privileged peace disrupted by peaceful protests and so instructed the DA to get the police in full riot gear to attack defenceless women, children, old ladies and men with their batons and shields. They were also instructed to remove their name and number badges so they could not be identified. The attacks seemed to be targeting members of the ORGANIC HUMANITY MOVEMENT and a policeman actually broke his shield on the founder of the party and her husband was badly beaten up. Another policeman attacked a middle aged lady from behind severely injuring her back and she is presently in a wheelchair. The media was also instructed to stay away even though they were aware of the gathering and covered the two previous protests in the same area. Figure it out for yourself Gareth
So what was the big hoo-ha about? Everybody ended the discussion smiling.
Oh, well, what is in a smile? I'm not asking
Am just here to see the racist bit 😆👀 can we get a time stamp lorrrrrrrrrt
Of course, why bother to see the entire conversation?