1:42 LG CX owner here, and can’t agree more about the quality of those LG OLEDs. Picture is still stunning 4 years later. For me, the CX and forward, the (4) HDMI 2.1 ports are great for this gen gaming
4:34 The lack of ads cannot be overstated. Such a better user experience vs competitors. I would say this is the #1 reason I would spend more for this vs other options. It has limited ads out of the box.
I think I'd rather have the ability to use 3rd party apps which aren't approved by google or apple that are capable of adblocking video content. Having to look at a few adverts on the home screen is a fair trade off for that ability. I suppose if you're only using it to watch content that is ad-free to begin with then you might have a point.
This is super easy to fix on Android TV/Google TV/Fire OS by simply installing a custom launcher such as Projectivy which will get rid of all that crap they plaster all over your home screen The end result is even cleaner than Apple TV No, the real problem with Android TV boxes is just how underpowered the vast majority of them are Even the new Google Streamer for $100 feels stupid when the Apple TV is far far more powerful at $130
I was thinking how 'family memories' tech has changed since I was a kid in the long-ago 70s, when it was Polaroid snaps in a photo-book, and Super 8 - with no sound!
Another great feature for me is the Music app. I love the way it displays the artwork and the ability to seamlessly connect with my music library. And it will display lyrics too while playing. There is also a very fun setting for many songs that will mute the vocals and essentially turn into a karaoke machine.
6:37 For someone who has different sleep schedules than your spouse, or a new baby, the AirPods integration is fantastic. It’s so quick and seamless. Highly recommend getting some to use with the Apple TV if you watch content while others in the household are sleeping or working.
This is ignorable. You can do that on any smart TV since they all have BT connectivity, anyways. You can use Pixel Buds with a Google TV... or really any BT earbuds you want. Lol. This sounds more like Cope more than a legitimate virtue for the device. I a Google TV with an Apple TV 4K in my bedroom, a Samsung TV with a Roku and Fire TV Stick in the living room, a Samsung TV with a Roku in the office, and an older Sharp Smart TV with a Roku in the other bedroom. I also have a PlayStation, which functions equivalently as a Set Top Box and is a far better gaming device than any of them. My parents also have a Sony Bravia, which is lightning fast and has Google TV built-in in their bedroom, an LG TV with WebOS in the guest bedroom, a Samsung Tizen TV in the living room and a HiSense Roku TV in my dad's Man Cave. If he wants to watch TV while she's asleep, he goes to "his room" and watches TV with sound coming through his soundbar. She won't hear it, and even if she does it is far less bad than sleeping in a room with the lights from the television. So, I have a lot of experience with many of these smart TV platforms, in addition to gaming consoles which basically function as set top boxes (since the Xbox 360/PS3 Generation). In no case did I ever think "Wow, I wish I had some AirPods for this TV" (I do have some beats headphones with Apple Chip that auto switch between Apple Devices - I have an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV 4K and MacBook Pro as well). At my parents' place (which I recently visited for 3 weeks), I just whipped out my BT headphones, paired them with the TV and watched TV when everyone was asleep... If I wanted spatial audio... I'd just buy better headphones or earbuds. This is, IMVHO, not even approaching a selling point to the Apple TV 4K. In most cases, I'd just leave the room and go sit on the couch to watch TV and listen through speakers than jam those earbuds into my ear, anyways. The light from the TV can be just as disruptive to someone's sleep as the sound from the speakers. This is a non-solution, to me, and not a virtue.
I have four (4) Nvidia Shield TV units, three (3) Pro & one (1) original 2017 unit all with Projectivy Launcher, and I'm very happy! 💪 Using Denon 7.1 Atmos, PLEX 72TB Server, LG & Samsung TV's.
@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES ALL my four (4) Nvidia Shields perform perfectly, no slow down. I always close ALL my apps, have on fastest internet connection, dissasemble & professionally clean the fan & remove then reapply new thermal paste to cpu every 6 - 8 months. 👍
@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES if u debloat it and use the projectivy launcher you should be fine. Also I have cleaned and applied new thermal paste after 6 years of use
@@Viper1171 I couldn’t agree more about the necessity of cleaning this device and checking if the TP needs to be reapplied at least once every year. I own four (4) 2015 Shield boxes and they still run rock solid after nine (9) years. Definitely one of the best electronic device investments I’ve ever made considering how long they’ve lasted and remain relevant as far as streaming boxes are concerned. FTW!!! 👊🏽
I used to have a house full of Nvidia Shield's at each TV but I grew tired of Google's constant shifting of their software. Jumped over to an AppleTV in our living room and have slowly switched all the other TV's to AppleTV 4K's.
It's not useless because you can reprogram it to launch other apps and if you don't fancy it having the netflix logo you can buy or make your own logo for the button.
@@ikkuranus Which device are you talking about that allows you to reprogram the remote? My Roku definitely did not have that option (although newer models may allow it, I don’t know). I had to take the remote apart and cover the contacts on the PCB to stop the buttons from working. We literally never used them on purpose. They were only a nuisance that would have us ripped from the application we actually wanted to use because somebody accidentally pressed one of those buttons.
I just switched from apple TV to Walmarts Onn 4k $50.00 Google TV with 28gb of storage, more ram and network 1gb rj45 port. The biggest reason was when software updates were needed because the server changed. Apple is the slowest one to get the changes implemented. So stuff will shut down for two or three weeks till there’s a patch or update on the program an android usually has it beforehand. Stuff like Plex, UA-cam products and some other major content providers. The extra free space allows much larger buffering, which was the biggest advantage to the Apple TV. I now have less buffering on the android stick than the Apple TV and I did compare this to Google TV and stick and found this to outperform Google‘s product also. It still does not have approval to support companies like Spectrum and other cable companies but most people doing this could care less about that.
I had only the newer shield model for years and have noticed that its been getting sluggish (as all android devices do). I then got the apple tv 4k in another room and have loved it so far. I ended up selling the shield and replaced it with another apple tv and haven’t looked back. The integrations into the iphone and apple watch are awesome. Using airpods with it is also super useful. I like to pop them in so I hear the show clearly over the sounds of washing dishes/cooking.
There is one fatal flaw in Apple TV 4k: the way it handles HD upscaling. It’s 4k upscaling is rudimentary to say politely and is way behind the 4k upscaling that most premium modern TVs can do on their own. This leaves you with two choices: leave Apple TV 4K in 4K resolution, letting it handle upscaling of the HD and SD shows, but with inferior results or, switch Apple TV to HD for HD shows and back to 4K for 4K programming. Unfortunately, Apple TV does not let you just pass the original resolution to the TV: you have to choose. For all it’s sophistication and Content Matching options, it left this one on the floor.
I actually quite like the standard scaling algorithms, though I understand it's a matter of personal preference. The "AI Upscaling" on modern devices tend to lean towards images that look obviously sharpened, I prefer softer images without sharpening artifacts if they weren't natively produced at 4K.
I have a Roku (best model they have) and an nVidia Shield TV Pro or whatever (the best model they have). I generally like the Roku MUCH more. I only have the Shield because it can play the wacky file types that the Roku cannot when I attach a hard drive. But man I'm having a hard time finding a good video player for the Shield. The one I tried recently forced subtitles on me and I could not turn them off. Even when I told the Shield not to display them in the global preferences, that app still did. There's almost too many video apps to choose from and most are very over-designed. From a UX standpoint Apple TV looks to be the best but it really needs more USB ports if I wanna attach a hard drive. Also Apple TV (service) has nothing I care to watch.
The Ugoos Am6b+ is technically the only streaming box capable of playing back all the disc formats correctly, but getting that set up with everything you need to play them back properly might be more trouble than it's worth if you're happy with the Shield.
Plex on the Apple TV isn’t great because it doesn’t support Atmos. But if you use Plex for the backend and Infuse on the Apple TV, it’s a lot better. I wish they’d fix the Plex App to do what infuse does.
I have the original ShieldTV and am thinking of upgrading. I came across a lot of folks praising the Homatics Box R 4K Plus and Dune HD Homatics Box R 4K Plus. Also now that Google is showing ads they have gone to 3rd party launchers such as ATV and Projectivity. It would be great if you could do a video on this stuff as I think it would be of interest to you and your fans. Thanks Joe
I’m happy with the latest ATV model but if it upgrades to M-series chips then I’ll def purchase the new model and just pray every damn day that universal purchase games like RE4, Assassins Creed, Death Stranding, etc will also become available to play on ATV in addition to iPhone, iPad and Macs.
Hi Lon, did you ever try to iPhone to display calibration feature they introduced a couple years back? If so does it work well? Or it’s just a gimmick? Thank you!
I agree with everything you said in this video wholeheartedly. The Apple TV box (plus Infuse) has been my daily driver for more than 6 years now and I am really happy with it. I only use the NVIDIA Shield TV to play my Blu-ray and 4K rips, due to the fact, that the Shield supports real Passthrough audio and Dolby Vision with Maven's build of Kodi.
The voice keyboard function works very well with Apple TV. It recognizes symbols and understands backspace. I use it exclusively for entering long complex passwords.
Seems to follow other Apple products. Works perfectly out of the box and well integrated with other Apple products. However if you want to do something more advanced then you may run into some issues.
I use The apple tv 4k and the Roku ultra for the same reasons. No matter what brand of tv you by they will stop supporting the apps well before the tv becomes obsolete. Roku and apple are systems in themselves not dependent on how new or old your tv is so they will be updated.
I have this AppleTV 4K, bought it a few weeks ago from the Apple store, but for the life of me, I can’t get the UA-cam app installed on it. In fact, I can’t even get all the apps displayed in a matrix seen in this video. All I get is the apps in a linear one line scroll at the bottom that goes left or right.
I also love screen mirroring my iOS devices on my Apple TV. Some tvs have it built in, but the ATV seems the most stable. Another feature that is really cool is using FaceTime while using your phone as the camera, I used it a couple of times with family and the picture quality is really good.
Have you tried the Infuse app on the Apple TV? In figuring out if I wanted to buy my own ATV i was reading Infuse is a better alternative to the native apple tv Plex app. Not sure what specific features from the Shield you need for Plex
I bought an Apple TV 4K a year or so ago and had a LOT of trouble getting it to work properly with HULU with Live. Looked into it a bit and heard that Apple and HULU don’t play well together. I sent the Apple TV back due to this reason. Have they improved the interaction? Because I really liked the picture and quality of the Apple TV.
It might be difficult to setup since it requires an Apple account. Luckily I had an ipad to help me sort it out. In my opinion Apple TV has no equal do the specs of the unit. It's basically a mini computer masquerading as a steamer. It's worth buying an inexpensive iPad to get it up and running.
Thanks Lon confirms my choice of having both Shield Pro and Apple 4K 128g streamer on my main TV. Up until last week Shield was necessary because Tablo was not on Apple. Shield though is still the best Android device. Streaming devices are still a must because my 2023 LG TV OS is so slow running apps. Put an Apple on my daughter’s LG OLED and she was happy she would no longer need to use LG apps. Bought a new Google TV streamer for my office tv but sent it back because it kept losing WIFI connection. Replaced it with an Apple.
I have 4 Nvidia Shield TV Pros and 3 Apple TV 4Ks into Samsung HW-Q990D soundbars, and no matter what I try watching, the Nvidia Shield always sounds clearer and more crisp. There's something about the apple TV audio that sounds compressed and unnatural. It doesn't matter if it's Netflix or any other streaming apps. For my Blu-ray rips, Nvidia Shield is a must. Emby and/or Plex servers with full audio passthrough sound awesome. The only reason I have apple TVs is that my wife and kids find the interface to be easier.
I own no other apple devices...bought the last gen apple 4k tv 32 GB after I picked it up on sale for 99 bucks...no ads on the homescreen is a game changer. It's very snappy and runs with my LG c2 remote. I still own a 2017 nvidea shield. But it gets very little use now.
Apple TV for me. I don’t need Plex cause I don’t pirate anymore. No ads is the NUMBER 1 feature. I have multiple and my Apple TV from 2017 is still smooth as butter even will all the updates.
Great box but you do need an Android box like you do if you own a Roku as they are very proprietary and there are so many apps. not available on the Apple TV box.
I use 3 Nvidia Shield Pros in each of my 3 home theaters and will hold out for the next newer, better version of the Nvidia Shield Pro. Fingers crossed we get one someday.🤞
Only down side for AppleTV is no Native 4:3 for the menu system for those that still want to use CRT. It will switch once the media is playing if the media is 4:3 to startwith.
AppleTV “HOME SHARING”. In that menu AppleTV connects, shows and plays all my videos on a Plex storage. I love the AppleTV it just so simple and I have done what you did with the photos .
I’ve had all the Apple TVs except the very first one .Just wish the Apple TV could play hi res loseless on Apple Music natively. Hopefully the next one has the ability to.
I love my Apple TV 4K! I haven’t been able to use anything else since getting one! It’s the ONLY TV/streaming box that has a nothing-but-what-I-add interface (*NO ADS!!!*) and settings. Also it has apps no other does (like RadarScope). I enjoyed my Nvidia Shield TV 4K, but I just kept thinking, my Apple TV did this better… BUT I do miss the USB ports on the shield tv. Many reasons to pick up an Apple TV over anything else, and worth every penny. I would however recommend the Nvidia Shield TV 4K if someone has an Android phone as the Apple TV can be a pain without an IOS device (like typing/searching for example).
I use mine as the daily driver too and also have the shield and LG TV. Haven’t really had many issues with Plex on the ATV though. The only annoyance is the pop-up side bar for TV+ that won’t let me remove the MLS icon in the middle of the menu. The MLS really has no relevance here in the UK.
I would say it depends on what you want to watch, if you focus your time on Netflix and others streaming would say Apple, if you use mainly Plex Nvidia.
Thanks for the video! I have an LG OLED and the Apple TV 4K. I love the user interface it has. However my issue comes when comparing the image of the Apple TV (streaming platforms) to those of the LG’s. For some reason I find the image of the LG’s streaming platforms a bit richer in color and sharpness than when viewing the same contents through the Apple TV. Using the same picture settings in both LG apps as Apple TV apps. I run my Apple TV with SDR matching contents set to ON. No sure if I’m the only one experiencing this. 😮
I have a love hate relationship with the Apple TV box I have it’s the latest one and I use plex to stream my movies and tv shows and this has been a complete pain in the ass. The movies audio is always out of sync no matter what setting I use and the picture is always skippy/jumpy and doesn’t look all that great. Idk if this is just me but yeah it’s been a complete nightmare
I love the ATV for its smooth operation, lack of ads, and integration with other Apple devices. However, I wish certain streaming services would utilize all of the ATVs features. The Peacock app does not support Match Dynamic Range on the ATV. The Fox Sports app doesn’t support HDR at all on the ATV. For MLB playoffs I have to use my Google TV internal apps or my FireTV Stick 4K Max to get the HDR benefit on Fox Sports. Also, annoying that Netflix won’t support Up Next n the ATV.
I hate smart TV software and you're right, the apps aren't nearly updated enough. My personal favorite setup is to plug a Mac Mini into my TV and use a mouse/keyboard on a lap writing board. Slightly more clunkier than a remote control but it also allows me to easily browse from the couch.
As long as it can access the huge library of movies, shows, and music I've bought from iTunes over the years, Apple TV is the best choice without question.
The reason I use the AppleTV as my main streaming device is because it has the best UI of all devices. App focused like all streaming devices should be. And it is one of the most powerful device on the market as well.
What are you talking about ? The Nvidia shield TV is far more powerful than the Apple TV 4k . The Apple TV doesn't have expandable storage or even a USB ports . The Apple TV doesn't have Plex support and the remote on the Apple TV isn't even backlit
@@vineshjohn1630 OK? What does that have to do with anything I stated? I made only two points, none of which your response addressed. Let me repeat them again: 1) Apple has the simplest, easiest to use, and thus the best UI of any device, because it is is app focused. 2) It is one of the most powerful streaming devices on the market That was all I said. I didn't say thing about expanded storage, which isn't even an issue because even the smallest units have way more than enough storage. I didn't say anything about the remote (which backlighting is seldom an issue for most people, as just about no other streaming remote is backlit.) I didn't say anything about USB ports (which very few people need on their streaming device, especially since storage is plentiful.) I didn't say anything about Plex (which only a small percentage of the population uses.)
@@SkepticCyclist use Projectivy as your launcher on the Shield it will put even apple to shame and the Dolby vision support on Apple is a joke In what way do you justify Apple TV 4K as more powerful it doesn't have anything over the Shield TV
Yes if 128 Gb is plentiful according to you not by today's standards I currently have 6TB with my Shield at the moment A backlit remote is a premium service something which is not provided by all in this day and age
I feel your pain about Below Deck. FireStick Apple TV app lets you choose user when you open the app. I wish Apple TV 4k had the option in settings to allow you to choose user when you turn on the Apple TV. Is the plex apple tv app ever going to allow you to pass uncompressed audio through the Apple TV? Continue to use shield for the same reason you do.
After using a Shield TV for six years, I switched to an Apple TV 4k a couple years ago. The things that made me finally switch was no playback speed control on UA-cam on the Shield.
Please Plex, Plex Photos for Apple TV!! Apple TV just works, integrates great with your iPhone for even better ease of use. Shield box too should be partnered along side it I agree with that one!
I used Apple TV, bcz my wife can use it without problem such as UA-cam app search typing with iPhone. Always have remote on hand since the iPhone can be the remote.
It's hilarious companies like Roku STILL include just a 100Mb Ethernet port on their 2024 'Ultra' devices. Not even 1Gig, which has been the standard in home equipment for decades. Still rocking the OG Shield, but it is definitely showing its age.
There is no overheating with the apple TV. Thing is the latest apple TV has a fanless design and a metal body. Hence when it get warm, thats by design as that is the way how it dissipates heat.
Your use case is identical to mine. Shield for enthusiast side (Blueray remux in Plex etc). But the Apple TV 4K is a much nicer experiencer, doesn't slow down and lag and require starts like the Nvidia shield. So I'll typically use Apple TV 4K for streaming apps and Shield for Plex.
Yes there is, but it is not the best at the moment. A lot of Plex users at the moment are using Infuse for this (you still can connect your Plex server)
I saw you turn on hearing aids ....I use aids all the time ... if my wife is watching tv (no aids) with speakers and I walk in and turn on hearing aids ... do we both hear ?
Been a Roku user since 2012, but switched to Apple TV back around 2018 or so. Between the awful remote and glitchy OS, didn't like it and the only time I ever used it was to play video games (which I do miss.) Roku still does anything I need to do when watching TV, so I can't imagine ever going back to ATV. If I did have a complaint with Roku is they need to use faster chips, as the interface can lag here and there.
It cannot be overstated how horrible the old Apple TV remote is. The newest one is absolutely fantastic, and the even older ones are perfectly fine. But there was a couple years there where they were shipping a ridiculously stupid piece of garbage - really I can’t tell you how much I hate that stupid remote. I can’t personally complain about the OS, as everything has been absolutely rock solid for me. But god do I hate that remote.
I don’t think that Netflix has to pay apple for TV app integration, it’s more about Netflix refusing to play ball in order to maintain as much control over the user experience as possible.
Apple actually “pays” the developer to integrate the TV app. They reduce the commission the developer pays when using IAP, however since Netflix doesn’t allow IAP anymore there is no value to them. Also implementing the TV app could allow Apple to know what Netflix shows are being watched. Netflix wouldn’t want Apple to know what is being watched and by how much.
@@5urg3xkind of stupid of Netflix though. Idk about others but I rarely open Netflix now, since everything else is integrated into the TV app. Only open Netflix if I hear of something good through social media or word of mouth (this is also becoming a rare occurrence).
I use a Firestick as you have a web browser, and thus can stream movies and tv shows for free on 3rd party websites. Haha. I might would use the Apple TV if it had Safari web browser. Though I think I've read of some people using an Apple mini computer as their Apple TV to have a browser, but I don't have one to test.
I stopped using my shield after android added ads on the home page, and Nvidia stopped native support on gamestream. Moonlight is better anyway and it runs on apple
I have Netflix and Amazon. It is very annoying that I have to search separately for a show. Then often the show, something from years ago requires additional payment. UA-cam is the most satisfying service I use.
The internal apps on my television work fine but you have a valid reason for getting a streaming device in that you can search across apps. 👍 I would think Roko would be better than Apple TV though in this regard.
Netflix has refused to play ball with the AppleTV since day one. They keep all their content siloed so you can't see it with the general Apple search. It's annoying and to me it actually reduces the value of their service. I'm on the fence about keeping it to be honest. One more price hike and I'm probably out. YMMV
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LG CX owner here, and can’t agree more about the quality of those LG OLEDs. Picture is still stunning 4 years later.
For me, the CX and forward, the (4) HDMI 2.1 ports are great for this gen gaming
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The lack of ads cannot be overstated. Such a better user experience vs competitors.
I would say this is the #1 reason I would spend more for this vs other options. It has limited ads out of the box.
I have 3-4 years old xiaomi android TV, and I've never seen an ads in there. I'm so sorry for your shitty experience with other TV boxes.
I think I'd rather have the ability to use 3rd party apps which aren't approved by google or apple that are capable of adblocking video content. Having to look at a few adverts on the home screen is a fair trade off for that ability. I suppose if you're only using it to watch content that is ad-free to begin with then you might have a point.
This is something I agree with, sadly the apps I use aren't supported.
This is super easy to fix on Android TV/Google TV/Fire OS by simply installing a custom launcher such as Projectivy which will get rid of all that crap they plaster all over your home screen
The end result is even cleaner than Apple TV
No, the real problem with Android TV boxes is just how underpowered the vast majority of them are
Even the new Google Streamer for $100 feels stupid when the Apple TV is far far more powerful at $130
Projectivy Launcher = NO Ads on Nvidia Shield TV & custom interface the way you want it too! 👍
I have 3 Apple TV boxes in my house and have for years and I do everything through them. Love them
Anybody else realize that Lon just got us all to watch his personal family slideshow for the first 8 minutes? Well played, sir. 😂
I was thinking how 'family memories' tech has changed since I was a kid in the long-ago 70s, when it was Polaroid snaps in a photo-book, and Super 8 - with no sound!
How did he get them running in the back ?
I caught on right away and skipped ahead. The only thing worse than watching vacation videos & pictures is watching someone else's.
Another great feature for me is the Music app. I love the way it displays the artwork and the ability to seamlessly connect with my music library. And it will display lyrics too while playing.
There is also a very fun setting for many songs that will mute the vocals and essentially turn into a karaoke machine.
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For someone who has different sleep schedules than your spouse, or a new baby, the AirPods integration is fantastic.
It’s so quick and seamless. Highly recommend getting some to use with the Apple TV if you watch content while others in the household are sleeping or working.
Completely agree!
@@traviscunningham_1 fire tv has fire tv buds integrated with the tv
This is ignorable. You can do that on any smart TV since they all have BT connectivity, anyways. You can use Pixel Buds with a Google TV... or really any BT earbuds you want. Lol. This sounds more like Cope more than a legitimate virtue for the device.
I a Google TV with an Apple TV 4K in my bedroom, a Samsung TV with a Roku and Fire TV Stick in the living room, a Samsung TV with a Roku in the office, and an older Sharp Smart TV with a Roku in the other bedroom. I also have a PlayStation, which functions equivalently as a Set Top Box and is a far better gaming device than any of them. My parents also have a Sony Bravia, which is lightning fast and has Google TV built-in in their bedroom, an LG TV with WebOS in the guest bedroom, a Samsung Tizen TV in the living room and a HiSense Roku TV in my dad's Man Cave. If he wants to watch TV while she's asleep, he goes to "his room" and watches TV with sound coming through his soundbar. She won't hear it, and even if she does it is far less bad than sleeping in a room with the lights from the television.
So, I have a lot of experience with many of these smart TV platforms, in addition to gaming consoles which basically function as set top boxes (since the Xbox 360/PS3 Generation).
In no case did I ever think "Wow, I wish I had some AirPods for this TV" (I do have some beats headphones with Apple Chip that auto switch between Apple Devices - I have an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV 4K and MacBook Pro as well).
At my parents' place (which I recently visited for 3 weeks), I just whipped out my BT headphones, paired them with the TV and watched TV when everyone was asleep... If I wanted spatial audio... I'd just buy better headphones or earbuds.
This is, IMVHO, not even approaching a selling point to the Apple TV 4K.
In most cases, I'd just leave the room and go sit on the couch to watch TV and listen through speakers than jam those earbuds into my ear, anyways. The light from the TV can be just as disruptive to someone's sleep as the sound from the speakers. This is a non-solution, to me, and not a virtue.
“Sir, the question was: is this your handwriting?"
I have four (4) Nvidia Shield TV units, three (3) Pro & one (1) original 2017 unit all with Projectivy Launcher, and I'm very happy! 💪 Using Denon 7.1 Atmos, PLEX 72TB Server, LG & Samsung TV's.
Why has the Nvidia Shield slowed down so much over the last few months?
@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES ALL my four (4) Nvidia Shields perform perfectly, no slow down. I always close ALL my apps, have on fastest internet connection, dissasemble & professionally clean the fan & remove then reapply new thermal paste to cpu every 6 - 8 months. 👍
@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES if u debloat it and use the projectivy launcher you should be fine. Also I have cleaned and applied new thermal paste after 6 years of use
9.2.4 here! Been doing HT for 30 years! Love it!
@@Viper1171 I couldn’t agree more about the necessity of cleaning this device and checking if the TP needs to be reapplied at least once every year. I own four (4) 2015 Shield boxes and they still run rock solid after nine (9) years. Definitely one of the best electronic device investments I’ve ever made considering how long they’ve lasted and remain relevant as far as streaming boxes are concerned. FTW!!! 👊🏽
I used to have a house full of Nvidia Shield's at each TV but I grew tired of Google's constant shifting of their software. Jumped over to an AppleTV in our living room and have slowly switched all the other TV's to AppleTV 4K's.
Projectivy Launcher, set it and your in heaven on Nvidia Shield!
Me too ! I use the shield mainly for dts-x which Apple TV can’t do yet but the Apple TV experience is all round better
Love my Apple TV 4K too... and Bluey! Good to see you're a fan Lon ;)
Best reason is it has no useless Netflix button on the remote
It's not useless because you can reprogram it to launch other apps and if you don't fancy it having the netflix logo you can buy or make your own logo for the button.
I reprogrammed it to do nothing, now it's a non-issue.
I still use my Harmony Elite remote.
This lol!
@@ikkuranus Which device are you talking about that allows you to reprogram the remote? My Roku definitely did not have that option (although newer models may allow it, I don’t know). I had to take the remote apart and cover the contacts on the PCB to stop the buttons from working. We literally never used them on purpose. They were only a nuisance that would have us ripped from the application we actually wanted to use because somebody accidentally pressed one of those buttons.
I'd love a modern nvidia shield
You and me both. I do a lot of Plex and Apple TV isn't going to do it for me until they fix the audio issue.
I just switched from apple TV to Walmarts Onn 4k $50.00 Google TV with 28gb of storage, more ram and network 1gb rj45 port. The biggest reason was when software updates were needed because the server changed. Apple is the slowest one to get the changes implemented. So stuff will shut down for two or three weeks till there’s a patch or update on the program an android usually has it beforehand. Stuff like Plex, UA-cam products and some other major content providers. The extra free space allows much larger buffering, which was the biggest advantage to the Apple TV. I now have less buffering on the android stick than the Apple TV and I did compare this to Google TV and stick and found this to outperform Google‘s product also. It still does not have approval to support companies like Spectrum and other cable companies but most people doing this could care less about that.
I had only the newer shield model for years and have noticed that its been getting sluggish (as all android devices do). I then got the apple tv 4k in another room and have loved it so far. I ended up selling the shield and replaced it with another apple tv and haven’t looked back. The integrations into the iphone and apple watch are awesome. Using airpods with it is also super useful. I like to pop them in so I hear the show clearly over the sounds of washing dishes/cooking.
How is the upscaling on both? Which one do you find best in the upscaling dept?
There is one fatal flaw in Apple TV 4k: the way it handles HD upscaling. It’s 4k upscaling is rudimentary to say politely and is way behind the 4k upscaling that most premium modern TVs can do on their own. This leaves you with two choices: leave Apple TV 4K in 4K resolution, letting it handle upscaling of the HD and SD shows, but with inferior results or, switch Apple TV to HD for HD shows and back to 4K for 4K programming. Unfortunately, Apple TV does not let you just pass the original resolution to the TV: you have to choose. For all it’s sophistication and Content Matching options, it left this one on the floor.
I actually quite like the standard scaling algorithms, though I understand it's a matter of personal preference. The "AI Upscaling" on modern devices tend to lean towards images that look obviously sharpened, I prefer softer images without sharpening artifacts if they weren't natively produced at 4K.
I have a Roku (best model they have) and an nVidia Shield TV Pro or whatever (the best model they have). I generally like the Roku MUCH more. I only have the Shield because it can play the wacky file types that the Roku cannot when I attach a hard drive. But man I'm having a hard time finding a good video player for the Shield. The one I tried recently forced subtitles on me and I could not turn them off. Even when I told the Shield not to display them in the global preferences, that app still did. There's almost too many video apps to choose from and most are very over-designed. From a UX standpoint Apple TV looks to be the best but it really needs more USB ports if I wanna attach a hard drive. Also Apple TV (service) has nothing I care to watch.
Get MX Player Pro for your Nvidia Shield Pro, I have it and it's very good.
@@Viper1171 I'll give it a try!
@@GameSack Lon did a video on it, you should watch it beforehand.
@@Viper1171 I searched MX Player Pro on this channel and didn't find anything.
Nova video player has a TV streaming interface, NAS/cloud support, and video resume points.
I’m still rocking two 2017 first gen Apple TV 4K’s.
The Ugoos Am6b+ is technically the only streaming box capable of playing back all the disc formats correctly, but getting that set up with everything you need to play them back properly might be more trouble than it's worth if you're happy with the Shield.
Plex on the Apple TV isn’t great because it doesn’t support Atmos. But if you use Plex for the backend and Infuse on the Apple TV, it’s a lot better. I wish they’d fix the Plex App to do what infuse does.
I have the original ShieldTV and am thinking of upgrading. I came across a lot of folks praising the Homatics Box R 4K Plus and Dune HD Homatics Box R 4K Plus. Also now that Google is showing ads they have gone to 3rd party launchers such as ATV and Projectivity. It would be great if you could do a video on this stuff as I think it would be of interest to you and your fans. Thanks Joe
Doesn't look like it supports Dolby Vision profile 7 which is one of my big prereqs for a replacement.
I’m happy with the latest ATV model but if it upgrades to M-series chips then I’ll def purchase the new model and just pray every damn day that universal purchase games like RE4, Assassins Creed, Death Stranding, etc will also become available to play on ATV in addition to iPhone, iPad and Macs.
Shout out to the ugoos am6b plus with Coreelec. The only streaming that can play all Dolby Vision profiles flawlessly.
Months ago I won one in a company raffle and just got around to picking it up, so this was very helpful.
Hi Lon, did you ever try to iPhone to display calibration feature they introduced a couple years back? If so does it work well? Or it’s just a gimmick? Thank you!
I agree with everything you said in this video wholeheartedly.
The Apple TV box (plus Infuse) has been my daily driver for more than 6 years now and I am really happy with it.
I only use the NVIDIA Shield TV to play my Blu-ray and 4K rips, due to the fact, that the Shield supports real Passthrough audio and Dolby Vision with Maven's build of Kodi.
Love Apple TV
The voice keyboard function works very well with Apple TV. It recognizes symbols and understands backspace.
I use it exclusively for entering long complex passwords.
Seems to follow other Apple products. Works perfectly out of the box and well integrated with other Apple products. However if you want to do something more advanced then you may run into some issues.
I use The apple tv 4k and the Roku ultra for the same reasons. No matter what brand of tv you by they will stop supporting the apps well before the tv becomes obsolete. Roku and apple are systems in themselves not dependent on how new or old your tv is so they will be updated.
This is the best. Fast software no lags and bloatware. Apple finally has a flawless product 😂
Only if Apple TV can do TrueHD Atmos and DTS-X passthrough 😢
I have this AppleTV 4K, bought it a few weeks ago from the Apple store, but for the life of me, I can’t get the UA-cam app installed on it. In fact, I can’t even get all the apps displayed in a matrix seen in this video. All I get is the apps in a linear one line scroll at the bottom that goes left or right.
I also love screen mirroring my iOS devices on my Apple TV. Some tvs have it built in, but the ATV seems the most stable. Another feature that is really cool is using FaceTime while using your phone as the camera, I used it a couple of times with family and the picture quality is really good.
Have you tried the Infuse app on the Apple TV? In figuring out if I wanted to buy my own ATV i was reading Infuse is a better alternative to the native apple tv Plex app. Not sure what specific features from the Shield you need for Plex
i use infuse for 4k stuff and plex app for everything else
The Nvidia Shield just got a second hotfix today that fixes the framerate switching which is still manual on many apps but now works correctly.
I bought an Apple TV 4K a year or so ago and had a LOT of trouble getting it to work properly with HULU with Live. Looked into it a bit and heard that Apple and HULU don’t play well together. I sent the Apple TV back due to this reason. Have they improved the interaction? Because I really liked the picture and quality of the Apple TV.
Is it worth buying apple tv if I don't have any other apple products?
It might be difficult to setup since it requires an Apple account.
Luckily I had an ipad to help me sort it out.
In my opinion Apple TV has no equal do the specs of the unit. It's basically a mini computer masquerading as a steamer.
It's worth buying an inexpensive iPad to get it up and running.
Thanks
Thanks Lon confirms my choice of having both Shield Pro and Apple 4K 128g streamer on my main TV. Up until last week Shield was necessary because Tablo was not on Apple. Shield though is still the best Android device. Streaming devices are still a must because my 2023 LG TV OS is so slow running apps. Put an Apple on my daughter’s LG OLED and she was happy she would no longer need to use LG apps. Bought a new Google TV streamer for my office tv but sent it back because it kept losing WIFI connection. Replaced it with an Apple.
I have 4 Nvidia Shield TV Pros and 3 Apple TV 4Ks into Samsung HW-Q990D soundbars, and no matter what I try watching, the Nvidia Shield always sounds clearer and more crisp. There's something about the apple TV audio that sounds compressed and unnatural. It doesn't matter if it's Netflix or any other streaming apps. For my Blu-ray rips, Nvidia Shield is a must. Emby and/or Plex servers with full audio passthrough sound awesome. The only reason I have apple TVs is that my wife and kids find the interface to be easier.
Shield + KODI + NAS. Is there anything better or simpler?
Have Apple TV and is best device ever brought. Also have LG TV from 2015 but all of the apps on tv still working. Would try resetting your TV.
I own no other apple devices...bought the last gen apple 4k tv 32 GB after I picked it up on sale for 99 bucks...no ads on the homescreen is a game changer. It's very snappy and runs with my LG c2 remote. I still own a 2017 nvidea shield. But it gets very little use now.
Apple TV for me. I don’t need Plex cause I don’t pirate anymore. No ads is the NUMBER 1 feature. I have multiple and my Apple TV from 2017 is still smooth as butter even will all the updates.
Great box but you do need an Android box like you do if you own a Roku as they are very proprietary and there are so many apps. not available on the Apple TV box.
I use 3 Nvidia Shield Pros in each of my 3 home theaters and will hold out for the next newer, better version of the Nvidia Shield Pro. Fingers crossed we get one someday.🤞
Only down side for AppleTV is no Native 4:3 for the menu system for those that still want to use CRT. It will switch once the media is playing if the media is 4:3 to startwith.
AppleTV “HOME SHARING”. In that menu AppleTV connects, shows and plays all my videos on a Plex storage. I love the AppleTV it just so simple and I have done what you did with the photos .
I personally had to keep Match dynamic range and match frame rate off because my inputs would switch on my TCL when watching UA-cam
I use Apple TV 4k and I've never had any issues with it playing anything through plex.
I use my Apple TV every single day. Works great. If Nvidia ever updates the Shield TV I may get it but it'll sit next to my Apple TV that's for sure!
I’ve had all the Apple TVs except the very first one .Just wish the Apple TV could play hi res loseless on Apple Music natively. Hopefully the next one has the ability to.
Apple TV is the best, I have the ethernet one in the living room and the base in the bedroom and they both work flawlessly.
I love my Apple TV 4K! I haven’t been able to use anything else since getting one! It’s the ONLY TV/streaming box that has a nothing-but-what-I-add interface (*NO ADS!!!*) and settings. Also it has apps no other does (like RadarScope). I enjoyed my Nvidia Shield TV 4K, but I just kept thinking, my Apple TV did this better… BUT I do miss the USB ports on the shield tv. Many reasons to pick up an Apple TV over anything else, and worth every penny. I would however recommend the Nvidia Shield TV 4K if someone has an Android phone as the Apple TV can be a pain without an IOS device (like typing/searching for example).
I use mine as the daily driver too and also have the shield and LG TV. Haven’t really had many issues with Plex on the ATV though. The only annoyance is the pop-up side bar for TV+ that won’t let me remove the MLS icon in the middle of the menu. The MLS really has no relevance here in the UK.
Only thing missing on the Apple TV is Audio Passthrough. If the new ones have it then am sold
Apple needs to allow audio passthrough! I want my AVR Receiver to decode the audio.
I’m debating on either getting the Apple 4k box or Nvidia Shield pro 2019
I would say it depends on what you want to watch, if you focus your time on Netflix and others streaming would say Apple, if you use mainly Plex Nvidia.
@@andreaciccarello main thing for me is Plex. I have a Plex server, but I’m concerned how long the apps will be updated on the shield, being its age
@@Apollopayne25 I think that this Is not a real problem. The first shield was released in 2015 and is still supported
I would get the Apple TV but I don’t even know Siri, and my mom told me never talk to strangers. 😂
Thanks for the video!
I have an LG OLED and the Apple TV 4K. I love the user interface it has. However my issue comes when comparing the image of the Apple TV (streaming platforms) to those of the LG’s. For some reason I find the image of the LG’s streaming platforms a bit richer in color and sharpness than when viewing the same contents through the Apple TV.
Using the same picture settings in both LG apps as Apple TV apps. I run my Apple TV with SDR matching contents set to ON.
No sure if I’m the only one experiencing this. 😮
Try calibrating the apple TV's display using an iphone
I have a love hate relationship with the Apple TV box I have it’s the latest one and I use plex to stream my movies and tv shows and this has been a complete pain in the ass. The movies audio is always out of sync no matter what setting I use and the picture is always skippy/jumpy and doesn’t look all that great. Idk if this is just me but yeah it’s been a complete nightmare
The Apple TV 4K is really great. Fingers crossed for an M series chip someday.
Too bad it still doesn't do HDMI audio pass through. If they added that it would be killer
I love the ATV for its smooth operation, lack of ads, and integration with other Apple devices. However, I wish certain streaming services would utilize all of the ATVs features. The Peacock app does not support Match Dynamic Range on the ATV. The Fox Sports app doesn’t support HDR at all on the ATV. For MLB playoffs I have to use my Google TV internal apps or my FireTV Stick 4K Max to get the HDR benefit on Fox Sports. Also, annoying that Netflix won’t support Up Next n the ATV.
I hate smart TV software and you're right, the apps aren't nearly updated enough. My personal favorite setup is to plug a Mac Mini into my TV and use a mouse/keyboard on a lap writing board. Slightly more clunkier than a remote control but it also allows me to easily browse from the couch.
My only knock against apple tv is it seems to have limited options for good iptv players.
As long as it can access the huge library of movies, shows, and music I've bought from iTunes over the years, Apple TV is the best choice without question.
I’m still mad that the Nvidia Shield now has adds on the home menu! 😠
The reason I use the AppleTV as my main streaming device is because it has the best UI of all devices. App focused like all streaming devices should be. And it is one of the most powerful device on the market as well.
What are you talking about ? The Nvidia shield TV is far more powerful than the Apple TV 4k . The Apple TV doesn't have expandable storage or even a USB ports . The Apple TV doesn't have Plex support and the remote on the Apple TV isn't even backlit
@@vineshjohn1630 OK? What does that have to do with anything I stated?
I made only two points, none of which your response addressed. Let me repeat them again:
1) Apple has the simplest, easiest to use, and thus the best UI of any device, because it is is app focused.
2) It is one of the most powerful streaming devices on the market
That was all I said.
I didn't say thing about expanded storage, which isn't even an issue because even the smallest units have way more than enough storage.
I didn't say anything about the remote (which backlighting is seldom an issue for most people, as just about no other streaming remote is backlit.)
I didn't say anything about USB ports (which very few people need on their streaming device, especially since storage is plentiful.)
I didn't say anything about Plex (which only a small percentage of the population uses.)
@@vineshjohn1630 appleTV does not have Plex?
@@SkepticCyclist use Projectivy as your launcher on the Shield it will put even apple to shame and the Dolby vision support on Apple is a joke
In what way do you justify Apple TV 4K as more powerful it doesn't have anything over the Shield TV
Yes if 128 Gb is plentiful according to you not by today's standards I currently have 6TB with my Shield at the moment
A backlit remote is a premium service something which is not provided by all in this day and age
I feel your pain about Below Deck. FireStick Apple TV app lets you choose user when you open the app. I wish Apple TV 4k had the option in settings to allow you to choose user when you turn on the Apple TV. Is the plex apple tv app ever going to allow you to pass uncompressed audio through the Apple TV? Continue to use shield for the same reason you do.
I sent mine back. Didn’t see the benefit. Fwiw I do have a new tv and the apps and google software is fast and easy to use.
I could definitely see that but some apps are just better on the Apple TV i forget but I don’t think you can get the music app in google tv
If you told Siri “play start trek prodigy on Netflix” would it open Netflix or would it still just show you the purchase page?
I use Rokus with a pi hole so I don’t see any ads
No 4k playback for max app even if title says 4k quality
Is that true!? 😮
apps only mode on android tv for the win!! but yeah Apple TV and Nvidia shield way more powerful for enthusiasts
After using a Shield TV for six years, I switched to an Apple TV 4k a couple years ago. The things that made me finally switch was no playback speed control on UA-cam on the Shield.
Please Plex, Plex Photos for Apple TV!! Apple TV just works, integrates great with your iPhone for even better ease of use. Shield box too should be partnered along side it I agree with that one!
No optical 😢
I used Apple TV, bcz my wife can use it without problem such as UA-cam app search typing with iPhone. Always have remote on hand since the iPhone can be the remote.
The Shield seems to work better on WiFi than it does on Ethernet for some strange reason.
It's hilarious companies like Roku STILL include just a 100Mb Ethernet port on their 2024 'Ultra' devices. Not even 1Gig, which has been the standard in home equipment for decades.
Still rocking the OG Shield, but it is definitely showing its age.
Shield for my Home Cinema for Remux 4K via Plex.
Do you have any overheating issues with Apple TV? Because many people complain, thank you
There is no overheating with the apple TV. Thing is the latest apple TV has a fanless design and a metal body. Hence when it get warm, thats by design as that is the way how it dissipates heat.
@ Thank you, indeed I tested it on UA-cam and Netflix and it doesn’t get warm Not games yet .
i have both of those , only use the sheild for plex .......
Your use case is identical to mine. Shield for enthusiast side (Blueray remux in Plex etc). But the Apple TV 4K is a much nicer experiencer, doesn't slow down and lag and require starts like the Nvidia shield. So I'll typically use Apple TV 4K for streaming apps and Shield for Plex.
Is there not a Plex app on Apple TV?
Yes there is, but it is not the best at the moment. A lot of Plex users at the moment are using Infuse for this (you still can connect your Plex server)
There is but it doesn’t support lossless audio or Dolby vision
@@LonSeidman Ahhh that’s a shame!
@@LonSeidman You can use the Infuse App instead. It doesn’t do lossless. But it does do Dolby Vision and Atmos.
REALLY AMAZING EXPLANATION
Think they'll ever support DTS???
AppleTV could also be the preeminent music streamer if they added back a separate audio out and stopped the 48khz resampling
Has it solved audio issue for true hd 7.1 lossless media from last year??
nope that's why I still use the shield as mentioned
Universal search won’t take you to titles on Netflix because Netflix won’t allow it unfortunately.
Can you split screen and watch live tv from say Hulu to do so with this box?
I saw you turn on hearing aids ....I use aids all the time ... if my wife is watching tv (no aids) with speakers and I walk in and turn on hearing aids ... do we both hear ?
I love my NVIDIA SHIELD PRO, Apple limits some apps, and 7.1 codecs won't work, I can't even connect my usb hard drives
Been a Roku user since 2012, but switched to Apple TV back around 2018 or so. Between the awful remote and glitchy OS, didn't like it and the only time I ever used it was to play video games (which I do miss.) Roku still does anything I need to do when watching TV, so I can't imagine ever going back to ATV.
If I did have a complaint with Roku is they need to use faster chips, as the interface can lag here and there.
It cannot be overstated how horrible the old Apple TV remote is. The newest one is absolutely fantastic, and the even older ones are perfectly fine. But there was a couple years there where they were shipping a ridiculously stupid piece of garbage - really I can’t tell you how much I hate that stupid remote. I can’t personally complain about the OS, as everything has been absolutely rock solid for me. But god do I hate that remote.
Love it. My favorite too.
I don’t think that Netflix has to pay apple for TV app integration, it’s more about Netflix refusing to play ball in order to maintain as much control over the user experience as possible.
Apple actually “pays” the developer to integrate the TV app. They reduce the commission the developer pays when using IAP, however since Netflix doesn’t allow IAP anymore there is no value to them. Also implementing the TV app could allow Apple to know what Netflix shows are being watched. Netflix wouldn’t want Apple to know what is being watched and by how much.
@@davidrasoThey don’t want to give Apple (who own a competitive service, Apple TV plus) the data for what shows are being watched etc
@@5urg3xkind of stupid of Netflix though. Idk about others but I rarely open Netflix now, since everything else is integrated into the TV app. Only open Netflix if I hear of something good through social media or word of mouth (this is also becoming a rare occurrence).
I saw a Zinwell device and am wondering if it's ok
Thanks
Zinwell tv tuner or tv box ?
@LonSeidman the Zinwell box, and thank you for responding. I appreciate your advice.
I use a Firestick as you have a web browser, and thus can stream movies and tv shows for free on 3rd party websites. Haha. I might would use the Apple TV if it had Safari web browser. Though I think I've read of some people using an Apple mini computer as their Apple TV to have a browser, but I don't have one to test.
I stopped using my shield after android added ads on the home page, and Nvidia stopped native support on gamestream. Moonlight is better anyway and it runs on apple
use a launcher
I have Netflix and Amazon. It is very annoying that I have to search separately for a show. Then often the show, something from years ago requires additional payment. UA-cam is the most satisfying service I use.
The internal apps on my television work fine but you have a valid reason for getting a streaming device in that you can search across apps. 👍
I would think Roko would be better than Apple TV though in this regard.
Netflix has refused to play ball with the AppleTV since day one. They keep all their content siloed so you can't see it with the general Apple search. It's annoying and to me it actually reduces the value of their service. I'm on the fence about keeping it to be honest. One more price hike and I'm probably out. YMMV