In college at the Maritime Industry Museum in the Fort they had a detailed model from their NYC offices on display. Very impressive model. Another great watch! Also heads up no piers in NYC south of the George Washington Bridge where the Hudson River unofficially starts. So all liner docks are actually in the North River. In reality New York Harbor is a tidal plain so the Atlantic. The Hudson isn’t actually a river till Troy, NY.
i love the way yall describe things. on a side note, when my doggo hears your intro, he comes running for the popcorn and a good show. thankyou for these
Hey Elinor! Been listening to your podcast at work on Spotify! Here's some future shipwrecks you should cover in the future: 1. Sewol disaster 2. Dona Paz disaster 3. U.S.S. Arizona 4. General von Steuben
@@shipwrecksunday If you think Captain negligence was bad when it came to the Oceanos and Costa Concordia, the Sewol one will get your blood going big time
So good!!!!!! The Goya, von Steuben, and Gustloff were carrying military personnel, not just wounded & refugees, and were therefore BY INTERNATIONAL LAW considered to be lawful targets. Anyhow - Elinor, have you ever considered doing a video on the SS Noronic - a Great Lakes passenger ship that burned in Toronto Harbour with an astounding loss of life? (Not the Cunard NAronic)
My mom came over to the US on the Bremen in 1922, when she was 2. Her German mom, American dad, and others came over to escape the turmoil in Europe. Still have a copy of the Boston paper, with their pictures on the ship. Memories
But wasn't Wilhelm Gustov considered a fair target because she wasn't painted as a hospital ship, was carrying troops and was technically armed? Its definately tragic so many lost their lives but I though it was widely considered to not be a war crime?
If passenger liners are not allowed to transport troops then there are a lot of witnesses (including biographical works) that Wilhelm Gustloff was carrying troops and was armed (AA Guns) and had been taken into the Kriegsmarine earlier in the war. Obviously if the Russian sub commander knew that of there were thousands of civilians on the ship he should have held his fire, but still the Nazis were knowing moving troops on the ship and most of the blame must rest on their shoulders. May God rest their souls and those of everyone else in that most horrible war.
Enjoy the BREMEN! Are you excited for SS Europa?!
I am just wondering how much detail your going to go on the plans turn Europa/liberite into an aircraft carrier.
@@Silentservice77 I plan on doing as many details as I can find!
i'm definitely curious about the role and legality of hospital ships during war time
I'd love to make a video on it!!
Me too 👍
You really should do a doc on bb40 uss new mexico. It was a great battleship during ww2 that has all but been forgotten
In college at the Maritime Industry Museum in the Fort they had a detailed model from their NYC offices on display. Very impressive model. Another great watch! Also heads up no piers in NYC south of the George Washington Bridge where the Hudson River unofficially starts. So all liner docks are actually in the North River. In reality New York Harbor is a tidal plain so the Atlantic. The Hudson isn’t actually a river till Troy, NY.
Thanks so much!! I'd love to own a model ship one day. I'd love to have a huge one of Titanic!
Excellent vid Elinor 👍
Thanks Rick! Great to see you!!
i love the way yall describe things. on a side note, when my doggo hears your intro, he comes running for the popcorn and a good show. thankyou for these
Thank you so much!! Tell your doggo hi from us!!
Set ablaze during WW II by an angry kid who was executed 😢😢😢😢😢 how 😭 but good video Elinor can't wait for part 2
Thanks so much! It really was bizarre and tragic!
Thanks for the fine storytelling, Elinor!
Thanks so much!! Cheers!
Hey Elinor! Been listening to your podcast at work on Spotify!
Here's some future shipwrecks you should cover in the future:
1. Sewol disaster
2. Dona Paz disaster
3. U.S.S. Arizona
4. General von Steuben
Thanks so much for your support! Luckily we have MV Doña Paz done, but I'd love to cover the other three!! Thank you so, so much!!
@@shipwrecksunday If you think Captain negligence was bad when it came to the Oceanos and Costa Concordia, the Sewol one will get your blood going big time
@@DKrueger1994 uh oh - that sounds right up my alley!
So good!!!!!! The Goya, von Steuben, and Gustloff were carrying military personnel, not just wounded & refugees, and were therefore BY INTERNATIONAL LAW considered to be lawful targets. Anyhow - Elinor, have you ever considered doing a video on the SS Noronic - a Great Lakes passenger ship that burned in Toronto Harbour with an astounding loss of life? (Not the Cunard NAronic)
I can definitely cover that one! Thank you so much! I forgot about the military personnel so that's true!
Thank you for explaining what happen to the SS Bremem I thought it got bomb by the British by now that i think about it that was the REX
Yes, that was SS Rex that got bombed, though I believe it was by the Germans. I'm so glad you enjoyed the video!
My mom came over to the US on the Bremen in 1922, when she was 2. Her German mom, American dad, and others came over to escape the turmoil in Europe. Still have a copy of the Boston paper, with their pictures on the ship.
Memories
The Bremen was built in 1928 how did it bring your mom to the us in 1922
Do a video on SS normadie Never built Sister ship on next Sunday
I can add her to my list!
You can find it on a UA-camr community post and his name is Rms brmartanic on his community post
Her names is SS bretange
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Bremen wasn’t lucky unlike Europa
Very true!
But wasn't Wilhelm Gustov considered a fair target because she wasn't painted as a hospital ship, was carrying troops and was technically armed? Its definately tragic so many lost their lives but I though it was widely considered to not be a war crime?
Technically yes! I just think personally it was so sad and unfair though yes, it was legal!
If passenger liners are not allowed to transport troops then there are a lot of witnesses (including biographical works) that Wilhelm Gustloff was carrying troops and was armed (AA Guns) and had been taken into the Kriegsmarine earlier in the war. Obviously if the Russian sub commander knew that of there were thousands of civilians on the ship he should have held his fire, but still the Nazis were knowing moving troops on the ship and most of the blame must rest on their shoulders. May God rest their souls and those of everyone else in that most horrible war.
Totally agree! The Nazis jeopardized that ship and doomed it.
You really should do a doc on bb40 uss new mexico. It was a great battleship during ww2 that has all but been forgotten
I'll definitely have to look into her! Thank you for your suggestion!