Talk Is Jericho: Keith Lee’s Last Days At WWE
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AEW Revolution is this Sunday, March 6th and one of AEW’s newest signings, Keith Lee, is an entrant in the Face of The Revolution Ladder Match! It’ll be the first-ever ladder match in his 18-year wrestling career, and he shares exactly how he feels about that! Keith also gets real about his serious battle with COVID and the post-infection complication that nearly forced him to give up wrestling forever. He discusses the circumstances surrounding his release from WWE, the three failed tryouts it took to get there in the first place, his matches with Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, and Brock Lesnar, and the catchphrase inspired directly by the late, great Dusty Rhodes! Keith remembers his time at Ring of Honor and the match with Dominik Dijakovic that changed his wrestling career in an instant, their final indie bout at PWG, and why they didn’t have a bigger feud at NXT. He tells the stories of “Bask In My Glory” and the Bearcat gimmick, and reveals what Vince McMahon said to him in the middle of a live Monday Night RAW. - Розваги
Keith Lee's whole thing is he's a big guy that isn't just a bodyguard. He's smart, fast, and well-spoken.
Great that he's well spoken, but is that going to draw people to caring about him as a wrestler? Plenty of well spoken wrestlers out there who are able to get fans to care about their in ring work due to their engaging promos and ability to get people excited about them. Being thoughtful and well spoken are awesome traits for an office job or a public speaking gig
@@Matchmaniawwe people already care about him as a wrestler, he oozes personality every time he's on screen, imo
@@Matchmaniawwe ok
And Vince hates the fact he was so well spoken or anyone who can actually stand up and speak for themselves smh
@@Matchmaniawwe lmao have you not seen him anywhere outside of the main roster? Do you not hear the crowds in AEW or even the crowds that were in NXT. Keith Lee is a certified, top dollar talent
Vince wanted Keith Lee to be the Savage Hulk, in reality Keith Lee is The Beast from X-Men. Soft Spoken, Highly Intelligent, incredibly Strong, surprisingly agile, and can be as dangerous as Logan if the right buttons are pushed
The problem with that is it's too nuanced for Vince, and by "nuanced" I mean it has like one level of depth to it. ;)
That was the best way to put that! 👏🏿
very well said
Best fucking analogy ever
yes cannot say it better myself you nailed it, that exactly what Keith Lee is
I think Keith is like the wrestler version of Kingpin, but as a good guy.
Smart, well phrased, focused, collected but when it becomes necessary he gets as violent as the next guy or more.
Perfectly explained lol
Or beast from X-Men minus the mutagen
@Forbidden King 👍🏾
@Forbidden King You got your lores mixed Bruh! Mutagen is TMNT, X-Men is the X-Gene.
Perfect analogy
When Keith Lee talks, it’s like a cross between Shakespeare and Barry White.
I never thought of it that way but very true 😂
After reading this comment and then hearing he's voice now I hear it
Ladybird, i, can't receiveth enow of thy loveth babe
wench, i knoweth not, i knoweth not, i knoweth not wherefore
i can't receiveth enow of thy loveth babe- Keith "Shakespear" Lee
That's surprisingly accurate!
@@Frost997 this won’t get enough likes, but it’s appreciated
*"You're too smart for your own good"* That sentence alone tells me that Vince's mind is still stuck in the past.
Vince job practically is being a slave owner so yeah...
It's not about being stuck in the past, it is about how things translate over the screen, and Lee's speaking cadence comes off as condescending and unnatural, which isn't a very good look for somebody being booked as a babyface.
@@Robby_C wasn’t he a baby face on nxt? Didn’t watch back then correct me if I’m wrong
@@alexescutia4805 yeah he was, but he was more over because of his agility and power, more then his promos. The whole shoulder tackling people into the crowd gimmick and the fact that he could hit dives clean is probably where Vince got the whole “Bearcat” vision.
@@Robby_C Condescending and unnatural - exactly describes the impact of his vocal delivery. I think Vince's point was that it is hard to root for a condescending professor type.
Jericho on AEW commentary: "SCREAMING!!"
Jericho on podcast: "Soothing calmness"
Right, the screaming is awful
Two different settings. Of course he's going to be louder and more excitable while commentating on a wrestling show. This is a sit down interview. Not hard to figure out what fits where!
@@markell60 it's OK in small spurts. But continually throughout the show?
Nope.
Jqkus no because the screaming is fucking annoying, stop dismissing valid criticism because you don’t agree with it
@@killwalkerhe is a heel
Keith Lee, the man of the hour. King of the ring. Intelligence and power.
His voice and speech style is great! That only adds to the package
Facts.
@@shoWbitz ya i love the idea of a super well spoken intellectual fighter who could turn into the Hulk at any moment. What a cool psychology
It doesn’t whatsoever
@@shoWbitz He sounds like Frasier crane
I honestly think it’s what made me a fan of his. Almost smarmy and something almost 100% unique to him, vince is a fool for not embracing it
Keith lee is the real deal 🙌
Keith Lee's story is exactly what Jim Cornette theorized what was happening to Keith Lee. He was spot on. I'm glad Keith is back and I hope to see him stay at the TOP! MUCH LOVE KEITH!
Here after his match at Revolution and hoping that AEW treats him like he deserves to be treated.
Corny Rulz !!!
Corny is the best, his mind is unmatched
@@louispb6387 dont take much to fake play when a comic book fan
@@matthewgates4130 bother for most to say no
“You’re too smart for your own good!” Absolutely ridiculous!
Very condescending as well.
He was talking in terms of the character.
@@ajmurtagh27 Don’t try to tell smarks anything, they don’t know anything.
Mans is boring to listen to
@@kamfisher1714 That's rich considering Vince himself doesn't know how to produce a good can't miss wrestling show anymore, he like every other business in north america is more concerned with networking themselves rather than focusing on producing good content.
He's more concerned with business deals than he is with pumping out the same fucking match week in week out and only giving one tidbit of news that is worth reporting (INTENTIONALLY produced from him, not like a botch or someone forgetting a spot, something like Reigns and Lesnar Promos)
But no please enlighten me seeing how you actually know more about Keith Lee because you're not a "SMARK".
So yeah Keith seems to be a straight shooter when it comes to his character. And that’s why people say he was difficult backstage….wwe seems to be a petty place lol
Seems 😂 They always been petty
its just highschool over there
I don't think any smart wrestling fan believed those reports
Lio, Mox, Bray, & Toni Storm all got labeled “difficult to work with.” It’s like you either take what they give you or they drag your name through the dirt. It’s pathetic.
@@therealMrA you keep telling yourself that and how much is Vince paying for that comment you wrote?
It’s sound like Keith Lee got the Brodie Lee treatment
Everyone that's not Boring Overrated Reigns got the Brodie Lee treatment, unfortunately.
Keith Lee is like The Beast from X-Men. He is intelligent and powerful at the same time.
I still remember how much of a pop this dude had in NXT. Him running through Adam cole were legendary gifs. Wwe ruined him when they changed his entrance music. That bask in his glory theme was sick. Keith Lee vs Dijakovich was a big man clinic. Keith Lee vs Walter would’ve been Wreslemania worthy.
I am so glad and happy Keith Lee is here and back where he belongs. I wish him success and more awesome matches. Great job AEW 🙏🙏💜💜💯💯😊😊
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Lmao!
I can listen to Keith Lee read the phone book.
Keith Lee is the real life human version of Beast from X-Men. Powerful, agile, and intelligent.
Ooh that's a good analogy...Beast is an amazing character, powerful in both mind and body
Vince should have just let him be him. How do you not see the potential in a man whos big like he is, but isn't just a hulking, angry monster? I liked how he was. He was a well spoken but agile, hard hitting big man. Even with the bear cat. Don't just come to him just because you think he needs something. Heck at least plan out the gimmick before hand. What on earth was the "Bearcat" gimmick aside from Lee growling?
I felt so bad for Lee not getting what he deserved on the main roster. My favorite guy within NXT. I actually went to NXT Takeover Portland and just thought he had such a prescience. I hope AEW will utilize him properly. He deserves to be on top.
Aew already ruined him
Bearcat was very clearly supposed to be a mindset, a switch that flipped in the mind of Keith Lee. Not an intricate story but a new status quo presentation going forward. Sort like how Mark Henry went from friendly happy-go-lucky Mark Henry to heel Mark Henry in early 2011 to angry, scary, intense Hall of Pain Mark Henry by mid 2011 due to a switch clicking in tje mid of Mark Henry and channeling that anger and aggression full time on camera going forward.
No doubt a similar ibte tin was in mind for Keith Lee and no doubt Vince had high hopes for Keith Lee otherwise wouldn't have left gorilla mid broadcast to sit down and communicate his vision for the mindset and presentation of on-camera Keith Lee.
@@kamfisher1714 how so?
"You are too smart for your own good".
Basically saying black guy needs to be savage and hulky. Classic Vince.
I’m black and I don’t think he meant it that way lol. New day aren’t savage and hulky especially Big E, that’s the thing I hated about his reign he didn’t feel like a believable champion
As a black male born and raised in the south, "you're too smart for your own good" is something I've heard way too much.
That's racist b.s. and I'm sorry you have to deal with that. So messed up.
That's white people for you. No black person should never move to the south period.
Bruh^
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
As a white Male born in the north its something I hear many times too. Dont be a victim.
He fired Braun and then wanted Keith to be Braun lmfao
Still amazed they let braun go
@@alexescutia4805 Ik rite 🤦🏾♂️
@@johnnychopping3655 Omos will never be new Braun
I could be way the Hell off about what he is like IRL, but Mr. Lee just doesn't intimidate me. Oh sure, I wouldn't stand a chance in Hell against him in the physicality department but he has a very friendly visage... like a "gentle giant" a monster, but a nice one. I'd give him a friendly hug.
Until you pissed him off. Then he becomes this beast who speaks very intimidating vernacular. Like his feud with Roderick Strong made him look awesome.
Please look up the word "dissonance" then come back when you've managed to understand why we might use that concept while presenting a character.
Keith looks like a big cinnamonbun in all honesty
Keith entire deal is that he elevates every promotion he's in and every title he holds, and he does that every single time. I am excited to see him hold the TNT title in like 8 months
Didn't age well, being wasted in AEW as well
@@ChuckGibbs39 tag belts, genius
@@jeice2226 he’s doing nothing buddy
😂😂😂 this aged well
Thanks to Kieth Lee. This is right. If WWE wanted the wrestlers to do the character well, atleast give them a good story. A story that these wrestler can showcase their talent. Like what Triple H is building in NXT before they destroy it.
Look at how well Roode did in NXT before arriving on SDLive, he had a character, he a heel but he was liked for his in ring ability and of course that song, as soon as he arrived onto SDLive he turned face and was expected to be a needlemover based on his song alone, sure that's fine if you're someone who tunes into to both SDLive and NXT, but if you're a jackass and only SDLive you just see him spring up outta nowhere without explanation and all he has to go off of is his song, hell it speaks volumes that he was better handled in WWE 2K19's My Career mode than he ever was under Vince's watch.
I still remember when people thought the bearcat thing was a tribute to an old wrestler, but it turns out it wasn't the case.
I understand what Lee was talking about regarding being intense. Without a reason, what's the point? Also, what Vince McMahon said about Lee's diction makes no damn sense. Lee played college football FFS! I don't know how he sounds too smart for his own good.
I think I can agree with everyone when Keith Lee said he hated the whole "bearcat" gimmick
Every monster doesn't have to sound the same way. He might not be a Bear 🐻 a 🦁 Lion with this roar of a sound. He can be himself. A monster of a wrestler, with a poetic voice. I'll figure out a name for you. Mr. Poetic Justice...😇
Black monster to be exact.
I been watching wrestling for 43 years, I never saw a Guy that looks like Keith, wrestle and talk likes Keith, how can it not get over
WWE could have used him as a heel character that wore a suit and was intelligent and looked down on everyone else but could back it up in the ring. Use the guy's intelligence to get the most out of him.
Chris Jericho you’re my hero, I hope to share a wrestling ring with you one day🤞🏻💯
Keith Lee is awesome and I don't fully understand how WWE failed him , simply let him be himself and turn it up to 11 !!
He was limitless, but Vince tried to limit him.
Aew will do the same
His limit was promo's 🤣
So excited for Limitless Keith Lee to show out! His first few AEW outings have been great thus far.
Keith Lee's gimmick is simple. Let him be the freak of nature he is. Confident, strong with a deliberate slightly slower pace & then just bursts of explosions with high flying moves that 99 percent of the world or men his size can't do. First match of his I watched was when he fought Brian Cage, go back & watch that match its freaking epic both of them trying to top each other's ridiculous moves!
"high flying moves that 99 percent of the world or men his size can't do"
while that is true its not special anymore. doesnt matter what size he is. everybody is doing all sorts of high flying moves these days. its ridiculous. I would rather see Keith be aggressive in the ring and show his power. I dont really care if he can do a moonsault or whatever.
"Too smart for your own good". Just...no lol. It's never good to say that.
1:43 translation: "u sound too educated and sophisticated for a black performer. I need more stereotypes please and thank you" smh 🤦🏾♂️
Glad I'm not the only one who caught that.
Mcmahon wants wrestlers to be method actors,that's not what pro wrestling is about yes u play a character however the character needs too suit u,if Mcmahon says something as stupid as u sound too educated then it tells where his brain is at. Lee will be fine in Aew
Hey man you are amazing
Chris Jericho 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Love keith Lee wish they could’ve figured it out but we’ll see what AEW has in store for him
I havent watched wrestling in 20+ years and randomly saw Keith Lee on an AEW show and within one second I said "this dude is an absolute superstar". Cant believe WWE couldnt see that - just let him be him - j
Bro... How did this guy not make it in WWE... He has everything... EVERYTHING. The size, the skill, his talking style makes him standout... This guy should have been a shoe in... So much potential....
He talks like a muppet.
the stupid writting team+ vince wanted to make a dumb ass character "Beatcat" changed everything about it, his theme,look etc etc. They wanted a generic big monster guy
@@dark3rthanshadows Yeah and he's setting the world on fire now that he's free from Vince, right?
...💯...
...as a lifelong WWE fan, this is probably the most depressing "era" in the company's history...mainly because of all these notable releases...and the most likely realization that those big names will probably NEVER come back even after enough time has passed...☹️
...all because of Vince's fragile ego and jealousy over what NXT became...forgetting that it's success put money on his pockets and HHH's faith in the talent paid off better than Vince's in the last 50 years combined...
Imagine thinking someone sounding smart is a bad thing.
Imagine stone cold sounding like Keith Lee u think it would've worked lol
@@tj2nasty4ya83 Imagine The Rock sounding like Fraiser Crane
As soon as you heard Lee's Bearcat "roar" before his last WWE match, you knew this gimmick was never supposed to make it past the cutting room floor.
Vince on Pat McAfee: I give the people what they want and listen to them.
Also Vince: Let's call him Bear Cat Lee ,🤣🤣🤣
Also Vince, the reason why pro wrestling exists
Also literally impossible to ALWAYS give the fickle, always complaining, always offended, cry baby public what they want.
Total lies by Vince McMahon as per usual he dosent care what fans want
@@scottprice5978 lmao, if you don’t think he cares what fans want, you are being shortsighted. He just can’t give fans everything they want all the time , bc firstly, fans are fickle and will still whine and complain when when they do get get what they want, and secondly ummm, running a business isn’t as simple as just giving everyone what they want how they want it. I’d think a global and public company, that puts on the TWO longest weekly tv shows in history, and they are live, have a bit more to consider then just oh let’s do what everyone in twitter wants this week.
@@VinnyLogz Why are you such a gross shill for VINCE, of all people?? YOU are the one that's short sighted. And YIKES! If that's what you think about people that have different opinions than you, I just don't know what to tell you.
You don't owe anything to Vince. He DOES NOT care about the fans, and he doesn't care about you. If you were moved by that interview, just know that it was all a lie.
Love Keith Lee and good for him
Loved him so much on NXT he becoming NXT north America and NXT double champ was AMAZING
I stopped watching full WWE shows since 2013 ish but whenever i did watch some i was really convinced that Keith would be a great mid cart superstar. Kinda like R-Truth and Big-E
Big E is big time baby he’s a baby face
R truth? Mid card? Are you joking lol
ngl i could see him getting a big title like watching NXT at the time he was amazing. big guy but most of his movesets were dexterious, and very charismatic the way he talked.
I have no idea why VKM thought the younger viewers wouldn't absolutely adore this guy. He's the perfect example of a loveable giant kids would be starry-eyed about imho.
Playing who you really are is the best case scenario. That’s why Jericho is so great at playing the old guy who wants to hog all the spotlight and doesn’t want to let it go . The old vet who holds the young guys down . Hopefully the goat Hulk doesn’t sue him for gimmick infringement.
The avatar change is great Chris! Works so well! 👍
I can understand Vince's thought process. *Big guys do Big things.* However, Keith Lee does so much more and is a world champion calibre wrestler.
It's a shame for Keith because he is so unique it's hard for people to pidgonhole him in a very pidgonhole filled business. In a Corney fan but he keeps going on about this as well and I think that the fact he is a big well spoken dude makes him stand out
It’s a good thing Keith Lee’s got the chance to shine in AEW.
At the same time, I selfishly think he should’ve been a top player in WWE if Vince hadn’t dropped the ball on him. Being too smart for his own good, that’s absolute Vinnie Mac BS. I wish that most released talent had the chance to deliver in the main roster like they did in the Black and Gold NXT.
Keith Lee should win the TNT Title at some point or even contend for the AEW World Title but the fun part about AEW is that you don’t need a World Title to make you important just look at MJF and Andrade El Idolo and Matt Hardy.These guys have longevity and are a legitimate threat to any title reign.
Loved this clip and it makes sense how Vince thinks... Good to Keith gets to be himself
That intelligence is what helps seperate Keith from the crowd.. That and freakish athleticism! I'm glad WWE put eyes on him but im happier he is going on to express himself as LIMITLESS Keith Lee once more
It was working on NXT. After he beat Adam Cole for the Title they could have just let him stay there and hold the NXT title for at least a year if not more. Glad he is back wrestling.
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1:42 oh that doesn't sound racist at all. 🙃
Vintage VKM!
@ChrisJericho , your description for the podcast website is wrong.. it's webisjericho .. but it's written talkisjericho and it won't redirect.
WWE, Impact, AEW, NJPW, AAA or NWA what do you like more ?
All of wrestling, whenever there's a good product then I like it.
@@Ra18SJ unfortunately there's very few amount of good product
AEW,NJPW,and Impact
In wwe I remember they would have an awesome camera shot of him in NXT i remmber the zoom in camera before he would toss said wrestler was excellent and highlighted him very very well
it will be interesting
Keith Lee should have been a Kingpin type villain in the WWE. I’d have loved to see him as the head of his own faction. People are sick of big guys constantly being a clone of Lesnar, Lashley, Henry etc.
You should be posted the full podcast with videos similar to the comedians would do it would be awesome even if it’s like in a locker room backstage with the boys
I want to see Keith Lee turn heel on the mic. He could be very sinister.
Yes. He exhudes a Jake The Snake Roberts type understated charisma on the mic.
@@thengakola Indeed
Glad he found another way to do what he loves
4:37 I say this all the time while watching NXT 2.0
I wanted to listen to the entire podcast. But the link ain't working for me.
I think a great character for Keith Lee would one that looks like KingPin from Micheal Clark Duncan in Daredevil. Walking with that cigar in his mouth kicking butt
100%, the best gimmick is when the wreslter include their own personality to the characters. Except certain characters like Undertaker, Kane, etc. They work well including themselves irl to their persona i mean look at Brodie Lee AEW, Seth Rollins Messiah, Roman Tribal chief, etc. They worked so well.
I never saw any of his WWE work, but I really like him in AEW. I just hope gets used well. So far he's had an awesome debut, but after that it hasn't been too great. Now he's been paired with Shane Strickland though, and I think that could be very interesting.
I got a dream match. It's Jericho redoing his 1001 submissions gag. So it's a ten minute match with le champion, 2 minutes in he gets the walls locked in. And than it's just 8 minutes of Jericho damanding the guy tap . Through commercial breaks and all. People come in the ring and ask the guy tap. Just 8 minutes of that long hair guy with the big shades just screaming.
I think Keith Lee should take on like that Hulk/Banner smart calm Hulk persona. He wears a robe......smokes a pipe......comes out very dignified.....talks overly "I graduated top of my class" blah blah but gives the character a tick where he goes from gentle giant to athletic monster. Even adjust his move set so each side of the character shines. Like combining both sides of what the Alpha Academy currently are but in on man because Keith Lee has that range and that much ability
I got Keith Lee running his own stable "LimitLess Soldiers"
He meant dont end a heated threat promo with ‘and I…will be THERE’, like Lanny poffo. have fun being jobbed out to Kenny omega in five months. Can’t wait to play you in both video games
Keith Lee is a talented Guy
Jericho saying BEARCAT is just too funny to me
Imo Keith Lee is a future great
I love the way Keith Lee talks its so different. Because if you didn't know him just from appearance you'd think he's just another big man gonna do a big man shouting promo ungabunga man. But no showing how well spoken intellectual he is it adds a layer to his personality and character. That this guy isn't just a big man, that he's well versed smart which is terrible for his opponent because Lee can plan and stratagise knowing how to use all his tools and when.
This is the kind of guy just says no , doesn't offer any alternative.
Your Fired........
Keith Lee was so over in NXT Vince dropped the bal with him I would of love to see Keith entrance at a wrestlemania with BASK IN MY GLORY AND THOUSANDS OF FANS SCREAMING BASK IN HIS GLORY.
Judging by this story, I think Vince wanted Keith to be more of a Mark Henry type character. I get what Vince meant when he said Keith sounded too intelligent (at least for what Vince wanted from him), but I don’t understand why he wanted to change it in the first place
Yep that's what I was thinking
He was perfectly used/booked while he was in NXT his match with Dominic dyjacovic was a instant classic 👌 . Hunter and hbk know how to create a well established storyline and match in NXT . But once these successful guys like Keith Lee and others go to the main roster they get treated pretty poorly and are forced into a gimmick that doesn't fit there personality. Granted Lee did have a few good matches and moments one being his win over randy at the payback ppv . But Im certain Keith Lee will find major success in another wrestling company
Sir Keith Lee and his Shakespearian's like speech.
Always felt like Keith could be like WWE's own version of Daniel Cormier.
I understand what Vince was saying. It's kinda like ember moon as well... His voice makes him less intimidating during promos
Wow I'm fairly new to Keith Lee , haven't seen a ton of his interviews, but the first thing the caught my attention. In this clip was how he prese ts himself how he talks. He comes off as a very smart humble guy similar to a Glen Jacobs or Mark Henry. And to hear that THAT was the thing against him is just mind-blowing lol. I enjoy intelligent wrestlers. The ones that have to come off as big angry blockheads makes me feel like my own intelligence is insulted
Bushwhackers are awesome tho 🤣
Your website doesn't work, sadly.
In other words, Vince wanted Keith to n-word it up
Not all big guys should portray as yelling monsters , Keith Lee character is a pleasant change to that
Jericho’s reaction a pretty boy is priceless 😂😂
What a shame. Keith is such a unique guy in wrestling. Highly intelligent and thoughtful combined with spectacular strength, size and agility. Why would anyone ever waste that by trying him to be something he's not?
They are doing the same shit with Damien Priest, he's been a heel in ROH so it would probably work for him.
“Bearcat” thing was total bullshit
His promos are a little bit weak but as a big guy
The things he does in ring that’s entertaining
And wwe telling him do things that was not him and can’t do it
That’s why I wanted him to leave wwe
Wwe is total bullsh*t, for starters.
Vince: the creative has come up with new idea, how does 'Bearcat' sound as your new name.
Keith: I don't like it
Vince: Im sorry did I tell you have an option, you're gonna use whatever name I want.
Let’s be clear, Vince telling a black man that he sounded too smart, was what it was. He wanted a big black man to sound as such. I get why he’s not just saying it, but when he said “grimy “ he basically did🤷🏾♀️