I am a muslim and I have studied analytic philosophy at university level so I want to share my thoughts. Philosophy in the analytic tradition is simply defined as 'inquiry' and it's method is called 'conceptual analysis'. Philosophy is not concerned with information or knowledge, it is primarily concerned with understanding; therefore it has no official doctrine or dogma or theory or in other words : it has no presuppositions of it's own. Every other academic discipline has presuppositions which it simply has to take for granted but not philosophy. The only reason why muslims in the medieval period were sceptical or sometimes hostile to philosophical inquiry was simply because the philosophers of the time took Aristotle's logic, metaphysics (with Neo-platonic elements) and physics as their starting point and tried to do theology in light of it. The outcome as you would expect: heresies. They mistakenly took theology or kalam to be an 'aqali' not 'naqali' enterprise. Today Aristotle's logic is replaced with mathematical logic, his metaphysics with analytic metaphysics and his physics with modern physics. It is only through philosophy that we can study the presuppositions of the natural and social sciences; it is through philosophy that we can answer atheism (because atheism is a philosophical position); it is only through philosophy that we can make sense of the modern political discourse; it is through philosophy that we can critique central christian doctrines like trinity, incarnation and atonement. I would encourage all muslims to study analytic philosophy today because it's a domain in which both muslims and non-muslims can engage in 'inquiry'.
JazakAllahkhair brother, this contribution helped me to see something I've been struggling with. That philosophy is method of enquiry to enable us to see matters more clearly. The difficulty, I find, is that with the treatsies of the greatest philosophical minds, there is missing that Socratic purpose, and instead to give a view on 'the truth'.
Well that would be a big problem, how will you explain Islamic allah is tawhid? قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ ١ "Say that allah is one of" one of what? The word "احد" means "one of" not "the one". Tawhid means to make two or multiple things into one! Unification! Basically tawhid comes from the word "Wahhada" means to unite. And tawhid means unification. How will you ever explain Islamic allah is one god? When it is unification? Using philosophy and logic outside islam to explain that, only thing you're doing is shooting yourself on the leg.
@@marcelalhind Well, I don't need to explain islamic Allah is tawhid because I am a fideist. My claim to know that Allah is one is not based on rational inquiry, it is based on revelation. Philosophy and logic has nothing to with revelation. Revelation and rational inquiry are two separate enterprises. Trying to explain or justify islamic creed through philosophy and logic assumes the creed was arrived at through rational enquiry. Islamic creed is arrived at through revelation, not rational inquiry. These are my own views so nothing to do with the participants of the above video.
@@aashirali6514 How can you call yourself someone who rely on faith. While you use human philosophy? let me quote "it is through philosophy that we can critique central christian doctrines like trinity, incarnation and atonement" Did you thought for one second it can backfire at you. You're committing a hypocrisy. Is GOD ONE? Yes. He exists in Tri-Unity. Can we explain how in the world he is able to exist like that? The day we are able to explain and fully comprehend GOD then he is no more GOD. The father is GOD, The Son is GOD, The Holy spirit is GOD. They're ONE in Essence. Does that make three GODs? No because they're ONE in essence. Can someone explain how they're able to exist in such a way? Absolutely not, because there is nothing like GOD in the creation to give an analogy. How will philosophy and logic work on things which are ETERNAL and your logic and my philosophy are limited because we both are humans and not eternal beings. IF someone who believes in GOD and his own ideology is not available to justify through philosophy and human logic. Then its pointless to even use human philosophy and logic in critiques. It can only be useful if one person is an atheist and one person is a believes in GOD Otherwise it will be contradiction of your own. Is your god Real or mine? That's the only argument a person can make which ideology one should follow.
Here is the statement which Muhammad Hijab was transmitting from Sheikh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah. قال شيخ الإسلام: وبعض الناس يكون الطريق كلما كان ادق وأخفى وأكثر مقدمات وأطول كان انفع له لأن نفسه اعتادت النظر الطويل في الأمور الدقيقة فإذا كان الدليل قليل المقدمات أو كانت جلية لم تفرح نفسه به ومثل هذا قد يستعمل معه الطريق الكلامية المنطقية وغيرها لمناسبتها لعادته لا لكون العلم بالمطلوب متوقفا عليها مطلقا فإن من الناس من إذا عرف ما يعرفه جمهور الناس وعمومهم أو ما يمكن غير الأذكياء معرفته لم يكن عند نفسه قد امتاز عنهم بعلم فيجب معرفة الأمور الخفية الدقيقة الكثيرة المقدمات وهذا يسلك معه هذه السبيل وأيضا فان النظر في العلوم الدقيقة يفتق الذهن ويدر به ويقويه على العلم فيصير مثل كثرة الرمي بالنشاب وركوب الخيل تعين على قوة الرمي والركوب وإن لم يكن ذلك وقت قتال وهذا مقصد حسن Ar-Roddu 'Ala Al-Mantiqiyyin (p.255)
About to walk in to my first year of my second degree which is going to be in philosophy and religious studies at the University of Toronto inshallah. I feel prepared as I’ve been studying for several years prior on my own my Islam and I’m grounded in that quite strongly, many thanks to u guys for all u have taught me as well along the way🖤.
ASalam ALeikum brother believe it or not even without philosophy you can dismantle their nonsense as Islam is simply the middle path on its own! But always learn & put Islam first, True Ackel is with Tawhid , putting Nackel or Allah's text first & always being more consistent with it as Allah is All Knowing!
5 pillars of Islam to guide the community. 6 pillars of Iman to guide the individual 5 pillars protected in sharia - Din, Life, mind, family & wealth to aid society! 1) Din as atheism build 0 civilization and Islam is the only preserved faith showing human kind in whole proves Islam true. 2) Life - Halal diet and wudu etc to keep healthy, we teach self defense. 3) Mind - we teach being transparent in Islam with clear knowledge leading to trust and unity instead of blind dividsion, even modern science method made by a Muslim follows this to avoid fake sciences. 4) Family - to build sciety, and like above avoid fake sciences to break the family. 5) Money - we teach zakat which inspired social benefits but we reject unequal lending linked to poverty etc. heres the hadith. Narrated `Urwa: - During the Pre-Islamic period of Ignorance, the people used to perform Tawaf of the Ka`ba naked except the Hums; and the Hums were Quraish and their offspring. The Hums used to give clothes to the men who would perform the Tawaf wearing them; and women (of the Hums) used to give clothes to the women who would perform the Tawaf wearing them. Those to whom the Hums did not give clothes would perform Tawaf round the Ka`ba naked... - Sahih al-Bukhari 1665, Kitab Hajj. This is part of the scam of idolatry. The pagan qayraish made money off their idols and hajj. christians of the catholic church make money off the repentance tax, the yeahood made money with unequal lending to non tribesmen in theri faith, the caste system was linked to an idol in YV 31 etc. I also mentioned this because there will always be un pious women fluanting themselves just like their will be oppressors, so its important for men and women to always stay fit and helpful as a society and learn Islamic structure. ~~~ feminists are neo patriarchy communists, they came after central banks to switch farm to debt slavery & to break family a colonial tactic to keep minorities down, left & right are same side, left to de-form & right to form tyranny paid by same lobbies, & support zio colonialism. this shows why secularism fails to materialism and why Islam is a complete way of life - Islam is the balanced middle path - guiding individuals with 6 pillars of Iman, families with the 5 pillars of Islam and greater communities with the 5 protected pillars in shariah!!! But you have to learn Correct Aqida Manhaj!
Best of luck but be mentally strong brother. Philosophy is gonna bombard you with doubts as others have said. I too am a Political Science major thinking of getting a second major in some humanities field. Any suggestions? I was thinking Philosophy, Linguistics, Islamic Studies or Middle Eastern Studies.
Jazakallahu khairan brother, for shedding light on this matter, in a time when most of the muslims are getting defenceless against atheistic arguments. If you could please make a video explaining what are the requirements for muslims before studying philosophy in academia. By requirements I meant, how a muslim can balance between an islamic understanding and a philosophical understanding of the worldview.
Defenseless? Muslims? it is easy to destroy an atheist in an argument without needing to go deep in philosophy i found and i'm speaking about the average atheist on the street. If you are referring to certain atheist individuals then you must retract your blanket statement about Muslims as a whole being defenseless because for the avg person that is not true, maybe the level of individuals, hijab debates on a public platform are a different circumstance all together, respectfully Ahki. i have a short attn span and most people do too when it comes to philosophy.
Woww, much needed, "we have beautiful of philosophical arguments already in Quran", Now I got it very clear that what we do by learning philosophy is to only explain how incohorent man-made philosophies becomes, and much we are in need of Divine guidance.
"You have the Quran which is the best guidance to humanity, you don't need to go anywhere after that" very powerful, because when I felt lost and got closer to the quran, I became more confident in my faith and hence got closer to Allah SWT. I didn't need to do these immerse researches to be convinced of an idea or something that has been told by the all powerful Allah. You need to know something about Allah, take it from him alone. Thank you guys for bringing this topic.
@ayadollar khomaini Philosophy means love of wisdom. St. Paul: "to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1Corinthians 1:24) Halal.
@ayadollar khomaini who said to stick to the Quran only? The point here is that the Quran itself is an ocean of knowledge. The best knowledge you can ever have is the one that the creator tells you about it. Every time we dig and dive in that ocean we come with something new. You just need to ponder "تدبر"
You and Br. Hijab have inspired me to learn philosophy. I also started to make small educational videos for my friends in China as well. Keep making more content about this topic!
@@homtanks7259 well some of they need to leave their ignorance and call ppl to return to the scholars and not misrepresent their teachers, thats very sad. Lets all inspire to do better!
Good point addressing the "philosophobia" that the ummah tends to have, even though it may be reasonable at times. I will say though, that even though IT is not the "anti-rationalist" that certain people make him out to be, he wouldn't necessarily be fine with resting the religion's questions on philosophical discourse _in the way_ that some other creeds do. His paradigm is quite different than theirs, (although they quite clearly reject the conclusions of the Mu'tazila, they still inherit a great part of the Aristotelian methodology with which they argue and refute) so I would recommend all to read works comprehensively outlining his creed and epistemology, and there are some good videos that do a good job on that as well. Amazing work though, as questions like these need to be answered. Barakallahu feekuma.
It's important to keep philosophy and ilm ul kalam out of the religion. We don't use it as a tool to interpret the religion at all. Rather at most it can be used to highlight inconsistencies in others' arguments as a form of fighting fire with fire. Do not use it to change aqeedah like the mu'tazila, jahmiyya and now the asharis do. Read about how strict the salaf were with ilm ul Kalam. It's definitely not for the average Muslim to delve into.
@@ponderingspirit there is a difference between aql and philosophy/ilm Kalam. The Qur'an references aql a lot in a good manner while ilm kalam is unheard of. The salaf were very strict and wouldn't let the average person read these works. Imam shafi said the person spreading ilm kalam should be lashed with branches for example
@@jasonvoorhees8899 So the Quran is not logical enough for you?Nor the sunnah? Who needs philosophy when we have the miracle of the Quran.Many people that argue for philosophy are hypocrites that just like how fancy philosophy is and sounds.Many of them don't even know their state.If the Quran can't convince them then nothing will.
I find people who comment on philosophy have never actually studied Islamic Philosophy. Be careful there is a big difference between western modern philosophy and Islamic philosophy.
If you limit yourself to a certain number of scholars and quote mine, then you can conclude that "philosophy" is haram. But then the real problem becomes academic integrity
Imam As Shafi’ee said My ruling regarding Ahl ul-Kalam is that they are to be beaten with palm-branches and shoes, carried upon camels and paraded amongst the kinsfolk, it being announced about them, "This is the recompense of the one who abandoned the Book and the Sunnah and turned to kalaam." Siyar A'laam in Nubulaa of adh-Dhahabi, (10/29) and Sawn ul-Mantiq of as-Suyuti, (no. 65), also in Manaaqib us-Shaafi'ee (1/462), and in Dhamm ul-Kalaam wa Ahlihi of Abu Isma'il al-Harawi (4/294-295).
There are 4 main opinions in this according to the sholars of the past, on learning logic منطق: 1- That it is recommended مندوب. And this is the majority opinion. Some scholars even forbade receiving knowledge from someone who hasnt studied logic. This is backed by the fact that logic is recommended and directlt used in the quran. 2- It is fard kiffaya, in order to remove philosophical doubts which are hurled at the ummah. If one person from the community does this then it is sufficient. 3- It is recommended only for those with sound intellect that can understand it and without become confused. Not a popular opinion due to the fact that everyone thinks they meet this criteria. 4- That it is haram. Specifically that philosophy which leads to conclusions against the quran and sunnah. And Allah knows best.
First, philosophy means love of wisdom based on experience. Man made! man is not all knowing, Allah is All knowing. So 1st we follow Qur'an & Sunna w/ context of Sahaba, then any man made knowledge is used to add that & not contradict that if its true. That's Tawhid with akel to put nackel or scripture of Allah first! And we are always more consistent with Islam then any man made ideas!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Jazaakallahu khair akhi but I wasnt talking about philosophy, I was talking about logic. Logic is what you use to know everything you know, so why not study how to use it properly. Allah says in the quran multiple times "افلا تعقلون Why dont you use your reason?"
One thing that I have noticed with some laymen muslims is that they get attracted to philosophy because it makes them feel intelligent, which pushes to them to become Ash'aris or any of the mutakilama sects. I had a philosophy class in high school and was astonished by it, but after reading a few books (including Hamza's "The divine reality" and your "Kalam cosmological arguments) and watching a lot of videos, I realised how the Qur'an is more than sufficient when looking for these answers; All of these books wouldn't amount to the increase in faith I got from simply learning for example about a single prophecy of prophet Muhammad PBUH. We need to stop idolising Philosophy as the layman would think that the philosophy schools of thought are on the right path. May Allah guide us all.
Every human being is different there are people who need it and there are people who don't so it's relative to each one of us but the grounding for both has to be the Qur'an and sunnah because that's the speech of The Creator who is free from imperfections and limitations and our intellect is by definition limited
Then they haven't known philosophy. Philosophy isn't something that you show off in front of your classmates. News flash: philosophy is the activity of inquiring the "why". Allah SWT tells us to think because it's our fitra
One thing I'd like to say is that it's better to dive deeper into philosophical thoughts while being in touch with a scholar on personal level who'd guide you and put you on right track in case you get astray or have serious doubts on existentialism or existence of God and all. Also, ask for guidance from allah and do zikr of "Subhanaka la ilama lana illama allamtana innaka angtal alimun hakeem". This zikr is what a scholar had advised me me to do with kathrath and it helps.
Mashallah , thank you both for doing this. Especially your emphasis on Quran's aspects of philosophical and logical arguments. Thank you for redirecting me to the right direction. Very wise of you to point out the prerequisites for even beginning to the journey of philosophy.
I think having deep and reflective discussions with people and presenting the Verses of Allah is wayy more impactful on them than all of the philosophical stuff. The philosophical arguments might be based on Verses of Allah, but the way Allah speaks is Most-Powerful.
Agreed brother, Islam, Qur'an are NOT philosophy, keep those two things apart, Philosophy is an educated opinion but it aint the end all be all, let's not get it misconstrued. I agree with u bro.
Depends on what is meant with philosophy. First philosophy is haram without a doubt because it's basically talking about the ghayb (unseen realm) which can only be known through revelation, by using the intellect purely.
Makes perfect sense, good job brothers. This is already indicated within Qur'an مَا ٱتَّخَذَ ٱللَّهُ مِن وَلَدٖ وَمَا كَانَ مَعَهُۥ مِنۡ إِلَٰهٍۚ إِذٗا لَّذَهَبَ كُلُّ إِلَٰهِۭ بِمَا خَلَقَ وَلَعَلَا بَعۡضُهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٖۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ Allah has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim! -Surah Al-Mu'minun, Ayah 91 Allah is encouraging in the above verse to use our logical reasoning.
yea hijab who supports sufi face spitting dadu who wants Muslims to fight each other & divide and uses audio of the shi'as on the Sunnis. thats refuting in Islam?
You are missing something crucial. You mentioned that one must first know one's creed. So teach the people the importance of the 4 mathabs and deviating from them is the deviation of all deviations. You're bypassing the "first principles" principles of Islam. Please address this fundamental point of all points. Don't allow yourself to be deceived with "these are fiqhi issues" as it's the basis of pure Islam.
This is a good paper (please search it on JStor or google scholar): " *Sunni Muslim Scholars on the Status of Logic, 1500-1800* " Btw, Imam Ibn Taymiyyah also used philosophy - whether correct or incorrect. Example him affirming infinite regress (borrowing from Ibn Sina) which implies some problematic outcomes of time and creation existing from pre-eternity or speech acts of Allah are uncreated yet not eternal! All of this is philosophy, e.g. if anyone is in doubt about it they can search on youtube " *Ibn Taymiyyah and Infinite Regress (تسلسل) - Shaykh Yasir* " and " *Allah's Attribute of Speech - Sh. Saeed Fodeh* "
Listen to this, if you dismantle a person who believes scientism in front of those who say philosophy is Haram, they will not call it or see it as a Haram thing. That is it. The point is they don't know what they are talking about, but most of them are sincere with little bit of ego and self-righteousness.
it was the philosophical argument of kalam that convinced me of the existence of a God/ Gods which then made me search for the right religion and alhamdulilah i m now muslim again I think to argue that to reason is forbidden is absurd on so many levels, and as far as i know, and which was mentioned, to not use reason goes against the Quran
Maybe interview Dr Gregory B Sadler or someone with a PhD on the merits of the discipline. Please calm people down and help them to not become extreme by targeting bibliophile philosophy majors like myself.
Quran 52 : 35 أَمْ خُلِقُوا۟ مِنْ غَيْرِ شَىْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ ٱلْخَٰلِقُونَ Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators ? The one Mohammed hijab quoted from Quran ☝️
Below is a quote from ibn Taymiyyah which I think sums up what you brothers made sure to stress towards the end of the video ونظير هذه التراتيب التي أحدثها أهل الكلام، وادعوا أنه لا يحصل العلم إلا بها، تراتيب ذكرها طوائف من الصوفية المصنفين في أحوال القلوب وأعمالها، لما تكلموا في المقامات والمنازل وترتيبها. فهذا يذكر عدداً من المنازل والمقامات وترتيباً. وهذا يذكر عدداً آخر وترتيباً. ويقول هذا: إن العبد لا ينتقل إلى مقام كذا، حتى يحصل له كذا، وأنه ينتقل إلى كذا بعد كذا، ويقول هذا: عدد المنازل مائة، ويقول الآخر عددها أكثر، وأقل. ثم هذا يقسم المنازل أقساماً يجعلها الآخر كلها قسماً. ويذكر هذا أسماء وأحوالاً لا يذكرها الآخر. وغاية الواحد من هؤلاء أن يكون ما ذكره وصف حاله وحال أمثاله وسلوكهم وترتيب منازلهم، فإذا كان ما قالوه حقاً، فغايته أن يكون وصف سلوك طائفة معينة. أما كون جميع أولياء الله تعالى لا يسلكون إلا على هذا الوجه المرتب، وهذه الانتقالات، فهذا باطل. وكذلك أيضاً نظير هذا ما يذكره من المتفلسفة وأهل المنطق في ترتيب العلم وأسباب حصوله، وما يذكرونه، من الحدود والأقيسة، والانتقالات الذهنية، فغاية كلامهم - إذ كان صحيحاً - أن يكون ذلك وصفاً لما تسلكه طائفة معينة. أما كون جميع بني آدم لا يحصل لهم العلم بمطالبهم إلا بهذه الطرق المعينة، فهذا كلام باطل. فحصر هؤلاء لمطلق العلم في ترتيب معين، وحصر هؤلاء العلم بالله وبصدق رسله في ترتيب معين، وحصر هؤلاء للوصول إلى الله في ترتيب معين، كل هذا مع كونه في نفسه مشتملاً على حق وباطل، فالحق منه لا يوجب الحصر، ولكن هو وصف قوم معينين، وطرق العلم والأحوال وأسباب ذلك وترتيبه أوسع من أن تحصر في بعض هذه الطرائق. ولهذا كانت الرسل صلوات الله عليهم وسلامه يأمرون بالغايات المطلوبة من الإيمان بالله ورسوله وتقواه، ويذكرون من طرق ذلك وأسبابه ما أقوى وأنفع. وأما أهل البدع المخالفون لهم فبالعكس، يأمرون بالبدايات والأوائل، ويذكرون من ذلك ما هو أضعف وأضر. فمتبع الأنبياء لا يضل ولا يشقى، ومتبع هؤلاء ضال شقي. درء تعارض العقل والنقل (٢٠/٨)، و مجموع الفتاوى (٥٣/٩).
May Allah bless you brothers, I am studying in a program called "making of the interlocutor" صناعة المحاور , and it is supervised and directed by many well-known scholars in the Arab world, and here I attached an answer provided by their scientific committee to a similar question about philosophy. ما هي الفلسفة وهل هي أنواع وهل هي محمودة أم مذمومة؟ الجواب : لغويا تعني كلمة فلسفة حب الحكمة، واصطلاحيا لها تعريفات كثيرة، وربما يكون ذلك لاعتماد أصحابها على العقل وحده، ومرورها بأطوار وتعدد ما تتناوله من مجالات حتى أنها كانت تطلق حتى على الطبيعيات قبل أن يستقر الأمر على إخراج التجريبيات منها، وتركيز مجالها في الميتافيزيقيا أو ما فوق الطبيعة ويشمل ذلك الإلهيات والغيبيات، وفلسفة المعرفة التي يبحث فيها في طبيعة المعرفة وإمكانها ونحو ذلك، وفلسفة القيم التي يدرس فيها نظرية الصواب والخطأ والجمال ونحو ذلك. ويغلب على الفلاسفة البحث في حقائق الأشياء والأفكار بواسطة العقل..وبالعقل وحده، فليس البحث فيها تجريبيا أو معتمدا على الدين، وإن كانت تتناول نفس المجالات التي يتناولها الدين. وقد ضلّ الفلاسفة ضلالاً كبيراً في موقفهم من الرب سبحانه ومن الوحي والنبوات بزعمهم إعمال العقل، إذ خرجوا بالعقل خارج حدوده، وعطلوا النقل الذي هو خبر صادق عن تلك الغيوب فضلّوا وأضلّوا كثيراً، وخالفوا المعقول الصحيح والمنقول الصريح، خاصة مع نزعة كثير منهم للتشكيك المبالغ فيه في البحث. ومما ينتبه له أنّ الفلسفة صارت تطلق في عصرنا الحالي ويراد بها ما يقابل العلم التجريبي - مما يمكن الاستدلال عليه بالتجربة والحس كالفيزياء والكيمياء ... إلخ. - بغض النظر عن مستند تلك المعتقدات والآراء من ضروريات عقلية أو عقائد دينية أو نظريات بشرية، وبهذا الاعتبار، لا ترادف الفلسفة -في الإطلاق العصري- بالضرورة عقائد اليونانيين أو ما خالف فيه المعتزلة والمتكلمون عقائد السلف الصالح، بل كثيراً ما يكون المقصود البحث في قضايا فكرية وجودية. واستعمال المقرر لكلمة الفلسفة هو استعمال اصطلاحي لا يراد به تصحيح العلم، وإنما يورد أن هذه المسألة فيها بحث فلسفي أو ذكر فيها الفلاسفة كذا.. لأنها تبحث عندهم وهي من مسائلهم.. أو باعتبار أنّ هذا أو ذاك مما يتحدّث عنه بحثٌ في معاني الأشياء وحقيقتها وكنهها وما ورائها وما سببها، ويجيب على الأسئلة الوجودية المتعلقة بها، وفق المنهجية الإسلامية، فيكون الإطلاق هو تحديد للمجال لا للطريق، أي تحديد لما نتحدث فيه لا كيف نتحدث فيه، لأن كيفية التحدث تكون بمنطلقاتنا العقلية الصحيحة لا بمنطلقات الفلاسفة
With Islamic philosophy and poetry it got me closer to reading the Quran. I was so hesitant in reading Islamic literature and the Quran, but after reading Rumi, and studying the likes of mulla Sandra, Ibn Arabi, I think it’s important to justify the two and use it to expand the mind. Also in the hadiths, if I remember it right it states “to gain knowledge just like Ali”, which opened my mind so much to Islam!
This is a good video but I would argue not to post it now with Mohammed Hijab in it because his enemies will use it so say he is becoming an atheist or a 'deviant ashari'. Especially after their recent campaigns on him, anything to slander him will be used. Maybe 3 months from now once everything is quite is a better time to release this video
Paraphrase of Ibn Taymiyaah translated quote at 7:21 "for those people who prefer long detailed complicated answers, and who dislike simple to the point proofs, then use logic for those people. It also trains and strengthens the mind, it is like practice improves archery and horseriding, and this is a noble objective"
وأخرج البخاري في "الأدب المفرد" عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ((شرار أُمَّتي الثرثارُون المُتَشَدِّقُون المُتَفَيْهِقُون، وخيار أُمَّتي أحاسنهم أخلاقًا))؛ (صحيح الجامع: 3704).
Assolamolaykum, I believe if a person understands the Islamic creed, then learning analytical philosophy is fine. But like the brothers said trying to gain wise sayings from it and so on can lead to destruction and we have the Quran and hadeeth which have beautiful and profound statements of hikmah in them. Subhanna Allah and Allah knows best.
Assalamualaikum brother... I have a humble suggestion or may be request, After recording your videos..please review it for the sake of simplifying it as much as possible for thick headed peolle like me...(like adding some thing like extra clip of ur to summaries it broadly) i am not saying your and brother hijabs vedio are complicated to begin with...i am just requesting make it simple as much as possible if its possible.😁😁😃 And yeah keep making vedio these types of topics
I'll study philosophy this September InshaAllah. I live in France. There is no university of Islamic theology, so i had to chose philosophy university. Thanks for your information. May Allah guide us all.
I'm not listening to this because its *interesting* , Im listening because I see it has potential benefit for me and my future. ☹💯🤜🤛,Respect for the good work Brothers.
@ayadollar khomaini He doesn't say that you're misrepresenting his view he was simply saying that prevention is better than cure. In regards to women taking care of themselves for their husbands.
@ayadollar khomaini fear Allah what type of a comment are you putting out. Do you want that comment to be on your scale. Making fun of a sheik who is trusted and loved by many Muslims including me
@@akifasaraf6414 we should always follow scholars with Qur'an and Sunna context Sahaba, and what builds on that that is knowledge and honest transparent foundation for us to help one another with!
Why risk your self when you know it can cause you to have doubts or become atheist. Even imam gazali admitted he had doubts. If you have time, learn your Deen instead reading other man's opinion. Muslims who are into philosophy, most of them are ashari. Some of them have problem with hadiths, and Quran verses because of their philosophy and reasoning.
Brother Subboor this comment is related to a previous video on your channel which I have an issue with. It was an idea that was, perhaps, unintentionally promoted by one of your guests brother Firas. Towards the end he promoted the idea that it was maybe a good idea for Muslims to be “brave” enough to follow in the footsteps of Imam al-Ghazalis (or Descartes) experiment with doubt. To invite doubt, and doubt everything first in order to reach certainty. Which in my opinion is crazy and not what Islam calls to. Imam Ghazali himself wasn’t promoting his experience and saying Muslims should also go through what I went through, Rather his words show that it was a severely troublesome and dreadful experience and that if it was not for a light from Allah that struck his heart he would have remained lost in an abyss. That does not sound like promotion of his experience to me. Rather the method of the Muslim is that of our father Ibrahim: “...[Allah] said, "Do you not have faith?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [2:260] We Muslims already have conviction so we don’t invite doubt, however since certainty is not one level and varies in degrees we invite and seek more certainty to build upon the certainty we already have which is already established within us Allah knows best
Surely philosophy is just about the study of ideas, in finding their roots and whether they're credible or not. How can this be haram if it's all truth-seeking?
It's excessive and twist your mind. I've not read much philosophy, I read some parts of a book twice, and it already had an effect on my mind temporarily. Even if you use it just to enhance your reasoning skills, I guess it is still going to take an effect on you. The Qur'an is already philosophy if you want it to call that way, because it already answers the fundamental questions we have. It leads to the truth without confusing and destroying one's mind.
@@chillmode1881 ok, so surely if philosophy is all truth-seeking, it will all lead to the Quran directly or even indirectly? I don’t see the issue if philosophy is all secure within truth investigations
Many law majors study philosophy and become great lawyers. If more people studied philosophy they would not get fooled by sophists. That is a fact. Plus they would understand legal contracts better due to rhetorical models of speech.
SubhanAllah, I was literally just debating with myself whether or not I should take a philosophy course at uni since I always watch ur videos and am so interested in the subject. I guess I know my answer now!
am warning you tho, ur islamic knowledge must be firm. My mother knows many Muslim kids who took philosophy and ended up renouncing Islam. especially if its a secular uni.
@@dokyeooomm oof yeah, that's what I'm worried about. I want to learn philosophy so bad but the fact that I know most people in the class are gonna be questioning the existence of God is just...not it.
[22] Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee (d. 204H) said, “My ruling regarding the people of theological rhetoric is that they should be beaten with palm leaves and shoes and be paraded amongst the kinsfolk and the tribes with it being announced, ‘This is the reward of the one who abandons the Book and the Sunnah and turns to theological rhetoric (kalaam).” Sharh ‘AqeedatitTahaawiyyah of lbn Abil-’Izz, p. 75. Ibn ‘Abdul-Barr said, “The people of Fiqh and Aathaar in all the various towns and cities are agreed unanimously that the Ahlul-Kalaam (People of Theological Rhetoric) are (but) Ahlul-Bida’ waz-Zaigh (the People of Innovations and Deviation). And they are not considered, by all of the above, to be amongst the ranks of the Scholars (in truth).” Reported by Ibn Qudaamah in his Burhaan fee Bayaanil-Qur’aan. Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee (d. 204H) said, “That a person is put to trial with everything that Allaah has forbidden, besides Shirk, is better than that he looks at Kalaam (theological rhetoric).” He also said, “If people knew what (misleading and destructive) desires are contained within theological rhetoric they would certainly flee from it as they would from a lion,” he also said, “Whoever showed boldness in approaching theological rhetoric will never prosper.” Reported by Ibn Qudaamah in his Burhaan fee Bayaanil-Qur’aan. One of the Scholars of ash-Shaash said: “Every knowledge save that of the Qur’aan is a pre-occupation Except for the Hadeeth and Fiqh (understanding) of the Deen Knowledge is only that about which it is said, ‘Haddathanaa …‘ (So and so narrated to us) And what is besides that Are but whisperings of the Shayaateen (devils)” Aboo Yoosuf, the companion of Aboo Haneefah said, “Whoever sought knowledge by kalaam (theological rhetoric) will turn a heretical apostate,” and Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241H) said, “The person of theological rhetoric will never prosper. And never do you see anyone looking into theological rhetoric except that in his heart is a desire for creating mischief.”
Sister, I just wrote a comment with over 200 words and posted the evidences in another comment, it got deleted just great!!! Im really angry now because of this youtube... I saw ur comment on my phone and had to jump on my pc Sister, all respect due, refrain unless you are scholarly in knowledge because secular unis as the other sister pointed out will inject you with shubuhat and this is just simply a root for heresy. Most muslims end up apostasizing due to not knowing enough about their religion, correct aqeedah, etc.... Ilm al kalam is the road to innovations in the religion, steer clear my sister The talab al ilm, students of knowledge, and ulema, scholars, have always said to stay away from it, and these are from the ones of Ahlus Sunnah. You see kalam already in our religion, asharia, matruidiyyah, with no link back to the prophet, and just a link back to these kalam arguements, Some people even started saying that Allah azawajal is not above his throne due to kalam. Remember my sister also, your society influences you regardless of what they are saying being right or wrong, sitting in classes with atheists and people that propogate anti religion let alone the course content will slowly seep into your mind sister.
Read Taha Abdul rahman books, he even made philosophy accessible to Muslims in a way never before. He focused on the tools of philosophy. Every muslim MUST read his books.
One of the biggest regrets in my life is studying Philosophy. Ya muslimeen stay away from this as farrrr as possible unless you are very grounded on your aqeedah because if it wasn’t for me having a the limited knowledge I had in the fundamentals of the deen then philosophy would have been a breeding ground for shubuhat (doubts)I spoke to someone of knowledge about philosophy and they warned me against it. Trust me it’s a bunch of human conjectures and waffle why waste your time on it to seem academic? Or even if you enjoy it why?!?!? Stick to the Quran and Sunnah with the understanding of the salaf and that will suffice Alhamdullilah
But Ibn taymiyyah said that you shouldn't read in those things before studying Islam creed well and unfortunately the level of creed that ibn taymiyyah meant you will not reach if you don't know arabic because most of the important books of it are not translated.
The Quran says "wa jaadilhum" meaning "argue with them", how will you argue without making arguments? it says reason with them, will you preach? Ironically, the quran separately mentions that when it says "wal mow'idatil hasanah" "invite to the way of your lord with wisdom and good advice and argue with them." We must use logic, let alone is it Mubah or Haram? as M. Hijab says.
Ya ikhwan for all of u who are saying "I wanna learn philosophy for dawah purposes " ,for God's sake set your priorities straight guys ,Learn the Qur'an and Islam first and may be than take a course on giving dawah etc and whether to study philosophy or not at a uni comes afterwards
Jzkl khairan for sharing this. I just want to kindly correct brother Hijab on the notion that the old term of philosophy, or philosophers, referred mainly to the school of Ibn Sina, and, thus, polymaths like Imam al-Ghazali refuted him. Rather, Imam Al-Ghazali categorises the philosophers into three main groups, and states that Ibn Sina, et al, are from one of those groups (see his al-Munqidh). I believe the term philosophy was generic as it is today. There’s also, then, the important distinction between philosophy and dialectical theology (kalaam) which is of ‘tabaayun’. And Allah knows best.
Brothers you forgot to bring from the book ibn taymiyyah made which was called bayan talbis al Jahamiyyah where he refutes abu hamid al ghazali and other asharis and says how they are using the same methodology that the Jahamiyyah used
Yes I believe philosophy can contradict but not all there's different type of philosophies perhaps like stoicism which teaches one to be ready for future circumstances and not to cry over spilled milk. Any Knowledge is important. Without knowledge we cannot survive in this world, without reasoning we cannot work smartly that's where the philosophy of rationalization arrives, which tells one to rationalize abt why this thing happened and how. E.g if we see a person in a swimming suit we can assume that he wants to swim, that is basic logic and we all must know it even as a Muslim, we've to remember tht we're humans as well.
Sheikhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said: ”Philosophical logic is like the flesh of a camel at the top of a mountain. It is not easy to climb the mountain, nor is the flesh good enough to justify climbing, nor is the path leading to it easy to follow.’’ He (rahimahullaah) also said: ”There are no philosophers upon right guidance” He (rahimahullaah) also said: ‘’Islaam does not have philosophers’’[1] [1]Source: Naseehat Ahl Eemaan Fee Radd alaa Mantiq al Yunaan. (page:157)
Fantastic. A religion which teaches you “HOW” to think ! Maybe a bit afraid of critical thinking, common sence, logic or call it what you want. Religion and religious people never stop surprising me.
@@erikhviid3189 yeah to explain the benefits of studying philosophy and to give sources to backup the fact that their answer is in line with classical scholars
Philosophy means love of sophistry. Quran 2:165 deals with love Al-Baqarah 2:165 وَمِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ مَن يَتَّخِذُ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ أَندَادًا يُحِبُّونَهُمْ كَحُبِّ ٱللَّهِۖ وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَشَدُّ حُبًّا لِّلَّهِۗ وَلَوْ يَرَى ٱلَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوٓا۟ إِذْ يَرَوْنَ ٱلْعَذَابَ أَنَّ ٱلْقُوَّةَ لِلَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَأَنَّ ٱللَّهَ شَدِيدُ ٱلْعَذَابِ English - Sahih International And [yet], among the people are those who take other than Allah as equals [to Him]. They love them as they [should] love Allah. But those who believe are stronger in love for Allah. And if only they who have wronged would consider [that] when they see the punishment, [they will be certain] that all power belongs to Allah and that Allah is severe in punishment. Japanese - Ryoichi Mita 165.だが人びとの中にはアッラーの外に同位の者を設けて，アッラーを愛するようにそれらを愛する者もある。だが信仰する者たちは，アッラーを激しく熱愛する。これら悪を行う者が，その懲罰を見る時思い知るがいい。一切の権能がアッラーに属し，またアッラーが厳しい懲罰を加えられることを。 Al-Ma'idah 5:67 يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَۖ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُۥۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ ٱلنَّاسِۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ English - Sahih International O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people. Japanese - Ryoichi Mita 67.使徒よ，主からあなたに下された（凡ての）ものを，宣ベ伝えなさい。あなたがそれをしないなら，かれの啓示を宣べ伝える使命は果せないであろう。アッラーは，（危害をなす）人びとからあなたを守護なされる。アッラーは決して不信心の民を導かれない。 get Quran App: #GreentechApps
Philosophy means friend of wisdom by definition it’s a Hellenic term and was invented in ancient Hellas. Filo = friend Sofia = Wisdom Wisdom-friend or friend of wisdom.
Didn’t Ibn Sina say that the Juziyat are known through the kulliyaat? These are two mediums of knowledge, they are not two objects of knowledge. So u can know something in a kulli way or a juzzi way. Please re read the literature. Maybe I’m wrong.
For anyone who’s interested, I will also be exploring this topic on clubhouse. I really appreciate the sentiments expressed in this video, however, as a philosophy instructor I find the final comments a bit problematic.
There are certain sheikhs who never use philosophy and are clearly against it. These sheiks give and show evidence of how philosophy is not needed. So it begs the questions why do you need to use it, when it can clearly lead to kufri statements etc etc
have you forgotten what happened to imam ahmad 19years in prison and tortured because of their ideology philosophy : causes muktazilah to go astray philosophy : causes asy'ariyah and maturidiyah to go astray philosophy : causes Jahmiyyah to go astray
Could you please discuss objective and subjective Islamic epistemology. Western paradigms talk about them separately but in Islam knowledge is both objective and subjective.
Where do you draw the line with reasoning though? There's mufti/scholars online rejecting miracles of the quran by using reason/logic. They reinterpret the quran to make it sound scientifically sound, but the quran clearly implies the supernatural in relation to miracles. I think you guys should make a video to clarify the correct position on how we should approach the quranic stories/miracles.
Philosophy means love of wisdom. St. Paul: "to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1Corinthians 1:24) Halal.
@@HusXX Paradox: "the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God....Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become "fools" so that you may become wise." (1Cor.1:8; 3:18)
Hey, i could be wrong regarding this. The thing is about the shirt hijab is wearing. Uyghurs should be free, but we have to be realistic. They won't be getting a different country with a different flag, just like the kurds. For the movement to be successful, we need to change it. It has to be about minority rights, rather than a seperatist movement. I think you guys know the practicality of separatist movements.
You are right about being realistic. But freedom still applies because uygurs are in concentration camps now. First they need to be free from reds terror camps and after they need other minority rights.
I have some clarification.. Imam Ghazali actually regretted most of his works written earlier in his oldage because they were too much rooted in philosophy.. agree with most of your points, bas clarify this one
No since they used the philosophy to attack the religion itself. And by having clear deviancy. Philosophy is used to show that islam is true not to be used to attack it.
@@abdul9591 Asharis and Maaturidis used philosophy to destroy Islam, Ma Sha Allah. Imam abu hasan al Ashari, Imam Taftazani Imam Al Ghazali, Al Bayhaqi, Imam Nawawi, Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani, Ibn Hajar Al Makki, Imam As Subki father and son, list doesn't end. your saying they used philosophy to destroy islam and nearly 700 years later Ibn Taymiyyah came and used it in the right way, Ma Sha Allah, Jazak Allah Khayr brother.
@@truthoverhappiness7338 I can also bring a huge list of non ashiri and matuirdi scholars too, so what is your point. The four madahib are not ashari and each have huge amount of well known scholars.
@@abdul9591 like Abdur Rahman Ibn Al Jawzi, Ibn Aqil, Abu Bakr Al Khallal, Ibn Qudamah, Abdul Ghani Al Maqdasi list goes on, are you referring to them, everyone knows that the Atharis are also part of Ahle Sunnah, which set of scholars are you referring to?
In high-school I got into it...especially because they focus on socarates and the greeks etc. A lot of them focus on anti-thiestic ideas, I wasn't exposed to Islamic philosphers up until recently and western philosophy can lead people astray, if your iman isn't intact. Pros and Cons.
salam. Hijab, the point about Ibn Sina on 'ilm ilahi is inaccurate. if you're following Ghazali in the Tahafut on this, then you should know that he misunderstood the matter deeply there - failing, among other things, to keep apart the ma'lum and the nahw al-'ilm of it. so regarding the juz'iyyat, the mashsha'is (i.e., Avicennians) hold that in the divine case the nahw al-'ilm of them differs from ours, but not the ma'lum. the ma'lum is the same in both cases i.e., the juz'i itself. the shaykh (rahimahu Allah) is clear on the encompassing reach of divine ilm in many places. here's one: فإن كان هيهنا سبب أول لجميع الموجودات كان علمه محيطا بجيمعها على هذا الوجه إذ لا يخلو موجود من سبب حتى وجود تبنة في لبنة و حتى مقام ريد في داره And hence if here there’s a first cause of the totality of existents, then Its knowledge encompasses them in their entirety in this way, since no existent [i.e., among that totality] is free from a cause, not even the existence of chaff in brick and not even Zayd’s place in his house.
The question that spins in my mind What is the Horizon or at which extinct could we use the philosophical principals to defend or enhance what comes in Quran and Suna ?
I am a muslim and I have studied analytic philosophy at university level so I want to share my thoughts. Philosophy in the analytic tradition is simply defined as 'inquiry' and it's method is called 'conceptual analysis'. Philosophy is not concerned with information or knowledge, it is primarily concerned with understanding; therefore it has no official doctrine or dogma or theory or in other words : it has no presuppositions of it's own. Every other academic discipline has presuppositions which it simply has to take for granted but not philosophy.
The only reason why muslims in the medieval period were sceptical or sometimes hostile to philosophical inquiry was simply because the philosophers of the time took Aristotle's logic, metaphysics (with Neo-platonic elements) and physics as their starting point and tried to do theology in light of it. The outcome as you would expect: heresies. They mistakenly took theology or kalam to be an 'aqali' not 'naqali' enterprise. Today Aristotle's logic is replaced with mathematical logic, his metaphysics with analytic metaphysics and his physics with modern physics.
It is only through philosophy that we can study the presuppositions of the natural and social sciences; it is through philosophy that we can answer atheism (because atheism is a philosophical position); it is only through philosophy that we can make sense of the modern political discourse; it is through philosophy that we can critique central christian doctrines like trinity, incarnation and atonement. I would encourage all muslims to study analytic philosophy today because it's a domain in which both muslims and non-muslims can engage in 'inquiry'.
JazakAllahkhair brother, this contribution helped me to see something I've been struggling with. That philosophy is method of enquiry to enable us to see matters more clearly. The difficulty, I find, is that with the treatsies of the greatest philosophical minds, there is missing that Socratic purpose, and instead to give a view on 'the truth'.
Beautiful comment
Well that would be a big problem, how will you explain Islamic allah is tawhid?
قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ ١
"Say that allah is one of" one of what?
The word "احد" means "one of" not "the one". Tawhid means to make two or multiple things into one! Unification! Basically tawhid comes from the word "Wahhada" means to unite. And tawhid means unification. How will you ever explain Islamic allah is one god? When it is unification? Using philosophy and logic outside islam to explain that, only thing you're doing is shooting yourself on the leg.
@@marcelalhind Well, I don't need to explain islamic Allah is tawhid because I am a fideist. My claim to know that Allah is one is not based on rational inquiry, it is based on revelation. Philosophy and logic has nothing to with revelation. Revelation and rational inquiry are two separate enterprises. Trying to explain or justify islamic creed through philosophy and logic assumes the creed was arrived at through rational enquiry. Islamic creed is arrived at through revelation, not rational inquiry. These are my own views so nothing to do with the participants of the above video.
@@aashirali6514 How can you call yourself someone who rely on faith. While you use human philosophy? let me quote "it is through philosophy that we can critique central christian doctrines like trinity, incarnation and atonement" Did you thought for one second it can backfire at you. You're committing a hypocrisy. Is GOD ONE? Yes. He exists in Tri-Unity. Can we explain how in the world he is able to exist like that? The day we are able to explain and fully comprehend GOD then he is no more GOD. The father is GOD, The Son is GOD, The Holy spirit is GOD. They're ONE in Essence. Does that make three GODs? No because they're ONE in essence. Can someone explain how they're able to exist in such a way? Absolutely not, because there is nothing like GOD in the creation to give an analogy. How will philosophy and logic work on things which are ETERNAL and your logic and my philosophy are limited because we both are humans and not eternal beings. IF someone who believes in GOD and his own ideology is not available to justify through philosophy and human logic. Then its pointless to even use human philosophy and logic in critiques. It can only be useful if one person is an atheist and one person is a believes in GOD Otherwise it will be contradiction of your own. Is your god Real or mine? That's the only argument a person can make which ideology one should follow.
Here is the statement which Muhammad Hijab was transmitting from Sheikh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah.
قال شيخ الإسلام: وبعض الناس يكون الطريق كلما كان ادق وأخفى وأكثر مقدمات وأطول كان انفع له لأن نفسه اعتادت النظر الطويل في الأمور الدقيقة فإذا كان الدليل قليل المقدمات أو كانت جلية لم تفرح نفسه به
ومثل هذا قد يستعمل معه الطريق الكلامية المنطقية وغيرها لمناسبتها لعادته لا لكون العلم بالمطلوب متوقفا عليها مطلقا
فإن من الناس من إذا عرف ما يعرفه جمهور الناس وعمومهم أو ما يمكن غير الأذكياء معرفته لم يكن عند نفسه قد امتاز عنهم بعلم فيجب معرفة الأمور الخفية الدقيقة الكثيرة المقدمات وهذا يسلك معه هذه السبيل
وأيضا فان النظر في العلوم الدقيقة يفتق الذهن ويدر به ويقويه على العلم فيصير مثل كثرة الرمي بالنشاب وركوب الخيل تعين على قوة الرمي والركوب وإن لم يكن ذلك وقت قتال وهذا مقصد حسن
Ar-Roddu 'Ala Al-Mantiqiyyin (p.255)
About to walk in to my first year of my second degree which is going to be in philosophy and religious studies at the University of Toronto inshallah. I feel prepared as I’ve been studying for several years prior on my own my Islam and I’m grounded in that quite strongly, many thanks to u guys for all u have taught me as well along the way🖤.
get ready for them to throw shubuhaats at you like fastballs
They will do anything to throw you off, stay strong bro. Learn falsafa to destroy them
ASalam ALeikum brother believe it or not even without philosophy you can dismantle their nonsense as Islam is simply the middle path on its own!
But always learn & put Islam first, True Ackel is with Tawhid , putting Nackel or Allah's text first & always being more consistent with it as Allah is All Knowing!
5 pillars of Islam to guide the community.
6 pillars of Iman to guide the individual
5 pillars protected in sharia - Din, Life, mind, family & wealth to aid society!
1) Din as atheism build 0 civilization and Islam is the only preserved faith showing human kind in whole proves Islam true.
2) Life - Halal diet and wudu etc to keep healthy, we teach self defense.
3) Mind - we teach being transparent in Islam with clear knowledge leading to trust and unity instead of blind dividsion, even modern science method made by a Muslim follows this to avoid fake sciences.
4) Family - to build sciety, and like above avoid fake sciences to break the family.
5) Money - we teach zakat which inspired social benefits but we reject unequal lending linked to poverty etc.
heres the hadith.
Narrated `Urwa:
- During the Pre-Islamic period of Ignorance, the people used to perform Tawaf of the Ka`ba naked except the Hums; and the Hums were Quraish and their offspring. The Hums used to give clothes to the men who would perform the Tawaf wearing them; and women (of the Hums) used to give clothes to the women who would perform the Tawaf wearing them. Those to whom the Hums did not give clothes would perform Tawaf round the Ka`ba naked... - Sahih al-Bukhari 1665, Kitab Hajj.
This is part of the scam of idolatry. The pagan qayraish made money off their idols and hajj. christians of the catholic church make money off the repentance tax, the yeahood made money with unequal lending to non tribesmen in theri faith, the caste system was linked to an idol in YV 31 etc.
I also mentioned this because there will always be un pious women fluanting themselves just like their will be oppressors, so its important for men and women to always stay fit and helpful as a society and learn Islamic structure.
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feminists are neo patriarchy communists, they came after central banks to switch farm to debt slavery & to break family a colonial tactic to keep minorities down, left & right are same side, left to de-form & right to form tyranny paid by same lobbies, & support zio colonialism. this shows why secularism fails to materialism and why Islam is a complete way of life - Islam is the balanced middle path - guiding individuals with 6 pillars of Iman, families with the 5 pillars of Islam and greater communities with the 5 protected pillars in shariah!!!
But you have to learn Correct Aqida Manhaj!
Best of luck but be mentally strong brother. Philosophy is gonna bombard you with doubts as others have said.
I too am a Political Science major thinking of getting a second major in some humanities field. Any suggestions? I was thinking Philosophy, Linguistics, Islamic Studies or Middle Eastern Studies.
very importing i needed this. jazakAllah khayr
Jazakallahu khairan brother, for shedding light on this matter, in a time when most of the muslims are getting defenceless against atheistic arguments. If you could please make a video explaining what are the requirements for muslims before studying philosophy in academia. By requirements I meant, how a muslim can balance between an islamic understanding and a philosophical understanding of the worldview.
Yes Brother great suggestion I would like to hear this also
Defenseless? Muslims? it is easy to destroy an atheist in an argument without needing to go deep in philosophy i found and i'm speaking about the average atheist on the street. If you are referring to certain atheist individuals then you must retract your blanket statement about Muslims as a whole being defenseless because for the avg person that is not true, maybe the level of individuals, hijab debates on a public platform are a different circumstance all together, respectfully Ahki. i have a short attn span and most people do too when it comes to philosophy.
@@tariqs4357 thank you akhi for sharing your point of view
@@rayyanefe Afwan Akhi wa iyaki
Most of muslims are defenceless towards atheist because they don't know philosophy?? Oh really 🤔
Mashallah the Noor on suboor’s face is brightening up my screen!
😆 He looks like a hobo day by day.
@@newintellectual. You mean a philosopher?
@@newintellectual. not at all, what in the world...
@@newintellectual. you spend a lot of time discussing the looks of other men?
@@newintellectual. a beard and long hair isn’t exclusive to hobo’s bro.
Woww, much needed, "we have beautiful of philosophical arguments already in Quran",
Now I got it very clear that what we do by learning philosophy is to only explain how incohorent man-made philosophies becomes, and much we are in need of Divine guidance.
"You have the Quran which is the best guidance to humanity, you don't need to go anywhere after that" very powerful, because when I felt lost and got closer to the quran, I became more confident in my faith and hence got closer to Allah SWT. I didn't need to do these immerse researches to be convinced of an idea or something that has been told by the all powerful Allah. You need to know something about Allah, take it from him alone. Thank you guys for bringing this topic.
@ayadollar khomaini Philosophy means love of wisdom. St. Paul: "to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1Corinthians 1:24) Halal.
@ayadollar khomaini who said to stick to the Quran only? The point here is that the Quran itself is an ocean of knowledge. The best knowledge you can ever have is the one that the creator tells you about it. Every time we dig and dive in that ocean we come with something new. You just need to ponder "تدبر"
@ayadollar khomaini agreed on that as well
The non muslims were able to humilate us because of philosophy
Bro السلام عليكم using the short form of honorifics like A.S. PBUH SAW ص etc is Haram
You and Br. Hijab have inspired me to learn philosophy. I also started to make small educational videos for my friends in China as well. Keep making more content about this topic!
You must to have a strong foundation in your deen.
Subboor and Hijab are my favorite Dawah duo.
Ahmad Subboor, Mohammed Hijab, Smile to Jannah, Ali Dawah
I hope they inspire even better ones
@@homtanks7259 well some of they need to leave their ignorance and call ppl to return to the scholars and not misrepresent their teachers, thats very sad.
Lets all inspire to do better!
The answer to most questions in a UA-cam video title: no, but here's something to consider.
😂😂😂
Good point addressing the "philosophobia" that the ummah tends to have, even though it may be reasonable at times. I will say though, that even though IT is not the "anti-rationalist" that certain people make him out to be, he wouldn't necessarily be fine with resting the religion's questions on philosophical discourse _in the way_ that some other creeds do. His paradigm is quite different than theirs, (although they quite clearly reject the conclusions of the Mu'tazila, they still inherit a great part of the Aristotelian methodology with which they argue and refute) so I would recommend all to read works comprehensively outlining his creed and epistemology, and there are some good videos that do a good job on that as well. Amazing work though, as questions like these need to be answered. Barakallahu feekuma.
It's important to keep philosophy and ilm ul kalam out of the religion. We don't use it as a tool to interpret the religion at all. Rather at most it can be used to highlight inconsistencies in others' arguments as a form of fighting fire with fire. Do not use it to change aqeedah like the mu'tazila, jahmiyya and now the asharis do. Read about how strict the salaf were with ilm ul Kalam. It's definitely not for the average Muslim to delve into.
This is what Mohammed Hijab needs to read
@@ponderingspirit there is a difference between aql and philosophy/ilm Kalam. The Qur'an references aql a lot in a good manner while ilm kalam is unheard of. The salaf were very strict and wouldn't let the average person read these works. Imam shafi said the person spreading ilm kalam should be lashed with branches for example
Exactly صدقت والله 💯☝🏾
@@AB-xx7hy Kalam ist defending the islamic doctrine with the logical evidences.
@@jasonvoorhees8899 So the Quran is not logical enough for you?Nor the sunnah?
Who needs philosophy when we have the miracle of the Quran.Many people that argue for philosophy are hypocrites that just like how fancy philosophy is and sounds.Many of them don't even know their state.If the Quran can't convince them then nothing will.
I find people who comment on philosophy have never actually studied Islamic Philosophy. Be careful there is a big difference between western modern philosophy and Islamic philosophy.
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If you limit yourself to a certain number of scholars and quote mine, then you can conclude that "philosophy" is haram. But then the real problem becomes academic integrity
Imam As Shafi’ee said My ruling regarding Ahl ul-Kalam is that they are to be beaten with palm-branches and shoes, carried upon camels and paraded amongst the kinsfolk, it being announced about them, "This is the recompense of the one who abandoned the Book and the Sunnah and turned to kalaam."
Siyar A'laam in Nubulaa of adh-Dhahabi, (10/29) and Sawn ul-Mantiq of as-Suyuti, (no. 65), also in Manaaqib us-Shaafi'ee (1/462), and in Dhamm ul-Kalaam wa Ahlihi of Abu Isma'il al-Harawi (4/294-295).
Barakallah fik.
Was waiting for someone to post this. Barakallahu feek
@@jabba5716 thanks Jabba the Hutt
Yes the recompense to the ones who abandoned the book and the sunnah for kalam, this definitely isn't what's going on here
There are 4 main opinions in this according to the sholars of the past, on learning logic منطق:
1- That it is recommended مندوب. And this is the majority opinion. Some scholars even forbade receiving knowledge from someone who hasnt studied logic. This is backed by the fact that logic is recommended and directlt used in the quran.
2- It is fard kiffaya, in order to remove philosophical doubts which are hurled at the ummah. If one person from the community does this then it is sufficient.
3- It is recommended only for those with sound intellect that can understand it and without become confused. Not a popular opinion due to the fact that everyone thinks they meet this criteria.
4- That it is haram. Specifically that philosophy which leads to conclusions against the quran and sunnah.
And Allah knows best.
First, philosophy means love of wisdom based on experience. Man made! man is not all knowing, Allah is All knowing. So 1st we follow Qur'an & Sunna w/ context of Sahaba, then any man made knowledge is used to add that & not contradict that if its true. That's Tawhid with akel to put nackel or scripture of Allah first!
And we are always more consistent with Islam then any man made ideas!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Jazaakallahu khair akhi but I wasnt talking about philosophy, I was talking about logic. Logic is what you use to know everything you know, so why not study how to use it properly. Allah says in the quran multiple times "افلا تعقلون Why dont you use your reason?"
One thing that I have noticed with some laymen muslims is that they get attracted to philosophy because it makes them feel intelligent, which pushes to them to become Ash'aris or any of the mutakilama sects. I had a philosophy class in high school and was astonished by it, but after reading a few books (including Hamza's "The divine reality" and your "Kalam cosmological arguments) and watching a lot of videos, I realised how the Qur'an is more than sufficient when looking for these answers; All of these books wouldn't amount to the increase in faith I got from simply learning for example about a single prophecy of prophet Muhammad PBUH. We need to stop idolising Philosophy as the layman would think that the philosophy schools of thought are on the right path. May Allah guide us all.
Every human being is different there are people who need it and there are people who don't so it's relative to each one of us but the grounding for both has to be the Qur'an and sunnah because that's the speech of The Creator who is free from imperfections and limitations and our intellect is by definition limited
This is me rn....you perfectly described me!
Then they haven't known philosophy. Philosophy isn't something that you show off in front of your classmates.
News flash: philosophy is the activity of inquiring the "why". Allah SWT tells us to think because it's our fitra
One thing I'd like to say is that it's better to dive deeper into philosophical thoughts while being in touch with a scholar on personal level who'd guide you and put you on right track in case you get astray or have serious doubts on existentialism or existence of God and all. Also, ask for guidance from allah and do zikr of "Subhanaka la ilama lana illama allamtana innaka angtal alimun hakeem". This zikr is what a scholar had advised me me to do with kathrath and it helps.
Mashallah , thank you both for doing this. Especially your emphasis on Quran's aspects of philosophical and logical arguments. Thank you for redirecting me to the right direction. Very wise of you to point out the prerequisites for even beginning to the journey of philosophy.
I think having deep and reflective discussions with people and presenting the Verses of Allah is wayy more impactful on them than all of the philosophical stuff.
The philosophical arguments might be based on Verses of Allah, but the way Allah speaks is Most-Powerful.
Deep and reflective discussions is philosophy..
Agreed brother, Islam, Qur'an are NOT philosophy, keep those two things apart, Philosophy is an educated opinion but it aint the end all be all, let's not get it misconstrued. I agree with u bro.
@@redman1300 you right to a certain extent but it is not Islam and Qur'an, it is Academic opinions.
Depends on what is meant with philosophy. First philosophy is haram without a doubt because it's basically talking about the ghayb (unseen realm) which can only be known through revelation, by using the intellect purely.
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Makes perfect sense, good job brothers. This is already indicated within Qur'an
مَا ٱتَّخَذَ ٱللَّهُ مِن وَلَدٖ وَمَا كَانَ مَعَهُۥ مِنۡ إِلَٰهٍۚ إِذٗا لَّذَهَبَ كُلُّ إِلَٰهِۭ بِمَا خَلَقَ وَلَعَلَا بَعۡضُهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٖۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ
Allah has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!
-Surah Al-Mu'minun, Ayah 91
Allah is encouraging in the above verse to use our logical reasoning.
This should have been on the SP-files channel it seems.
Bro Hijab you are the king of refuting the refuters.
Don't start that nonsense brother
yea hijab who supports sufi face spitting dadu who wants Muslims to fight each other & divide and uses audio of the shi'as on the Sunnis. thats refuting in Islam?
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
Lol what are you talking about
You are missing something crucial. You mentioned that one must first know one's creed.
So teach the people the importance of the 4 mathabs and deviating from them is the deviation of all deviations.
You're bypassing the "first principles" principles of Islam. Please address this fundamental point of all points.
Don't allow yourself to be deceived with "these are fiqhi issues" as it's the basis of pure Islam.
This is a good paper (please search it on JStor or google scholar): " *Sunni Muslim Scholars on the Status of Logic, 1500-1800* "
Btw, Imam Ibn Taymiyyah also used philosophy - whether correct or incorrect. Example him affirming infinite regress (borrowing from Ibn Sina) which implies some problematic outcomes of time and creation existing from pre-eternity or speech acts of Allah are uncreated yet not eternal! All of this is philosophy, e.g. if anyone is in doubt about it they can search on youtube " *Ibn Taymiyyah and Infinite Regress (تسلسل) - Shaykh Yasir* " and " *Allah's Attribute of Speech - Sh. Saeed Fodeh* "
Listen to this, if you dismantle a person who believes scientism in front of those who say philosophy is Haram, they will not call it or see it as a Haram thing. That is it. The point is they don't know what they are talking about, but most of them are sincere with little bit of ego and self-righteousness.
Philosophy is not for everyone
So basically approach philosophy with caution
it was the philosophical argument of kalam that convinced me of the existence of a God/ Gods which then made me search for the right religion and alhamdulilah i m now muslim again
I think to argue that to reason is forbidden is absurd on so many levels, and as far as i know, and which was mentioned, to not use reason goes against the Quran
Maybe interview Dr Gregory B Sadler or someone with a PhD on the merits of the discipline. Please calm people down and help them to not become extreme by targeting bibliophile philosophy majors like myself.
Quran 52 : 35
أَمْ خُلِقُوا۟ مِنْ غَيْرِ شَىْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ ٱلْخَٰلِقُونَ
Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators ?
The one Mohammed hijab quoted from Quran ☝️
Below is a quote from ibn Taymiyyah which I think sums up what you brothers made sure to stress towards the end of the video
ونظير هذه التراتيب التي أحدثها أهل الكلام، وادعوا أنه لا يحصل العلم إلا بها، تراتيب ذكرها طوائف من الصوفية المصنفين في أحوال القلوب وأعمالها، لما تكلموا في المقامات والمنازل وترتيبها.
فهذا يذكر عدداً من المنازل والمقامات وترتيباً.
وهذا يذكر عدداً آخر وترتيباً.
ويقول هذا: إن العبد لا ينتقل إلى مقام كذا، حتى يحصل له كذا، وأنه ينتقل إلى كذا بعد كذا، ويقول هذا: عدد المنازل مائة، ويقول الآخر عددها أكثر، وأقل.
ثم هذا يقسم المنازل أقساماً يجعلها الآخر كلها قسماً.
ويذكر هذا أسماء وأحوالاً لا يذكرها الآخر.
وغاية الواحد من هؤلاء أن يكون ما ذكره وصف حاله وحال أمثاله وسلوكهم وترتيب منازلهم، فإذا كان ما قالوه حقاً، فغايته أن يكون وصف سلوك طائفة معينة.
أما كون جميع أولياء الله تعالى لا يسلكون إلا على هذا الوجه المرتب، وهذه الانتقالات، فهذا باطل.
وكذلك أيضاً نظير هذا ما يذكره من المتفلسفة وأهل المنطق في ترتيب العلم وأسباب حصوله، وما يذكرونه، من الحدود والأقيسة، والانتقالات الذهنية، فغاية كلامهم - إذ كان صحيحاً - أن يكون ذلك وصفاً لما تسلكه طائفة معينة.
أما كون جميع بني آدم لا يحصل لهم العلم بمطالبهم إلا بهذه الطرق المعينة، فهذا كلام باطل.
فحصر هؤلاء لمطلق العلم في ترتيب معين، وحصر هؤلاء العلم بالله وبصدق رسله في ترتيب معين، وحصر هؤلاء للوصول إلى الله في ترتيب معين، كل هذا مع كونه في نفسه مشتملاً على حق وباطل، فالحق منه لا يوجب الحصر، ولكن هو وصف قوم معينين، وطرق العلم والأحوال وأسباب ذلك وترتيبه أوسع من أن تحصر في بعض هذه الطرائق.
ولهذا كانت الرسل صلوات الله عليهم وسلامه يأمرون بالغايات المطلوبة من الإيمان بالله ورسوله وتقواه، ويذكرون من طرق ذلك وأسبابه ما أقوى وأنفع.
وأما أهل البدع المخالفون لهم فبالعكس، يأمرون بالبدايات والأوائل، ويذكرون من ذلك ما هو أضعف وأضر.
فمتبع الأنبياء لا يضل ولا يشقى، ومتبع هؤلاء ضال شقي.
درء تعارض العقل والنقل (٢٠/٨)، و مجموع الفتاوى (٥٣/٩).
May Allah bless you brothers, I am studying in a program called "making of the interlocutor" صناعة المحاور , and it is supervised and directed by many well-known scholars in the Arab world, and here I attached an answer provided by their scientific committee to a similar question about philosophy.
ما هي الفلسفة وهل هي أنواع وهل هي محمودة أم مذمومة؟
الجواب :
لغويا تعني كلمة فلسفة حب الحكمة، واصطلاحيا لها تعريفات كثيرة، وربما يكون ذلك لاعتماد أصحابها على العقل وحده، ومرورها بأطوار وتعدد ما تتناوله من مجالات حتى أنها كانت تطلق حتى على الطبيعيات قبل أن يستقر الأمر على إخراج التجريبيات منها، وتركيز مجالها في الميتافيزيقيا أو ما فوق الطبيعة ويشمل ذلك الإلهيات والغيبيات، وفلسفة المعرفة التي يبحث فيها في طبيعة المعرفة وإمكانها ونحو ذلك، وفلسفة القيم التي يدرس فيها نظرية الصواب والخطأ والجمال ونحو ذلك. ويغلب على الفلاسفة البحث في حقائق الأشياء والأفكار بواسطة العقل..وبالعقل وحده، فليس البحث فيها تجريبيا أو معتمدا على الدين، وإن كانت تتناول نفس المجالات التي يتناولها الدين.
وقد ضلّ الفلاسفة ضلالاً كبيراً في موقفهم من الرب سبحانه ومن الوحي والنبوات بزعمهم إعمال العقل، إذ خرجوا بالعقل خارج حدوده، وعطلوا النقل الذي هو خبر صادق عن تلك الغيوب فضلّوا وأضلّوا كثيراً، وخالفوا المعقول الصحيح والمنقول الصريح، خاصة مع نزعة كثير منهم للتشكيك المبالغ فيه في البحث.
ومما ينتبه له أنّ الفلسفة صارت تطلق في عصرنا الحالي ويراد بها ما يقابل العلم التجريبي - مما يمكن الاستدلال عليه بالتجربة والحس كالفيزياء والكيمياء ... إلخ. - بغض النظر عن مستند تلك المعتقدات والآراء من ضروريات عقلية أو عقائد دينية أو نظريات بشرية، وبهذا الاعتبار، لا ترادف الفلسفة -في الإطلاق العصري- بالضرورة عقائد اليونانيين أو ما خالف فيه المعتزلة والمتكلمون عقائد السلف الصالح، بل كثيراً ما يكون المقصود البحث في قضايا فكرية وجودية.
واستعمال المقرر لكلمة الفلسفة هو استعمال اصطلاحي لا يراد به تصحيح العلم، وإنما يورد أن هذه المسألة فيها بحث فلسفي أو ذكر فيها الفلاسفة كذا.. لأنها تبحث عندهم وهي من مسائلهم.. أو باعتبار أنّ هذا أو ذاك مما يتحدّث عنه بحثٌ في معاني الأشياء وحقيقتها وكنهها وما ورائها وما سببها، ويجيب على الأسئلة الوجودية المتعلقة بها، وفق المنهجية الإسلامية، فيكون الإطلاق هو تحديد للمجال لا للطريق، أي تحديد لما نتحدث فيه لا كيف نتحدث فيه، لأن كيفية التحدث تكون بمنطلقاتنا العقلية الصحيحة لا بمنطلقات الفلاسفة
Is Ahmed Yusuf as-Sayyid one of your teachers?
@@mohammedchentouf4407 yes he is
With Islamic philosophy and poetry it got me closer to reading the Quran. I was so hesitant in reading Islamic literature and the Quran, but after reading Rumi, and studying the likes of mulla Sandra, Ibn Arabi, I think it’s important to justify the two and use it to expand the mind. Also in the hadiths, if I remember it right it states “to gain knowledge just like Ali”, which opened my mind so much to Islam!
This is a good video but I would argue not to post it now with Mohammed Hijab in it because his enemies will use it so say he is becoming an atheist or a 'deviant ashari'. Especially after their recent campaigns on him, anything to slander him will be used. Maybe 3 months from now once everything is quite is a better time to release this video
Let them slander, haters will be haters, Allah knows best.
@Ismail, lol so why do you waste your time watching him? Hypocrite
Paraphrase of Ibn Taymiyaah translated quote at 7:21 "for those people who prefer long detailed complicated answers, and who dislike simple to the point proofs, then use logic for those people. It also trains and strengthens the mind, it is like practice improves archery and horseriding, and this is a noble objective"
وأخرج البخاري في "الأدب المفرد" عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ((شرار أُمَّتي الثرثارُون المُتَشَدِّقُون المُتَفَيْهِقُون، وخيار أُمَّتي أحاسنهم أخلاقًا))؛ (صحيح الجامع: 3704).
I keep getting cyber attacks now due to my expertise in philosophy. Please encourage the young men in computer engineering to not do this.
Assolamolaykum, I believe if a person understands the Islamic creed, then learning analytical philosophy is fine. But like the brothers said trying to gain wise sayings from it and so on can lead to destruction and we have the Quran and hadeeth which have beautiful and profound statements of hikmah in them. Subhanna Allah and Allah knows best.
MashAllah, Subhoor has that drip
Assalamualaikum brother...
I have a humble suggestion or may be request,
After recording your videos..please review it for the sake of simplifying it as much as possible for thick headed peolle like me...(like adding some thing like extra clip of ur to summaries it broadly) i am not saying your and brother hijabs vedio are complicated to begin with...i am just requesting make it simple as much as possible if its possible.😁😁😃
And yeah keep making vedio these types of topics
Love these 2 brothers, may Allah keep on blessing them.
I'll study philosophy this September InshaAllah. I live in France. There is no university of Islamic theology, so i had to chose philosophy university.
Thanks for your information. May Allah guide us all.
This is a big door for shaytan...
how are the studies going?
I'm not listening to this because its *interesting* , Im listening because I see it has potential benefit for me and my future.
☹💯🤜🤛,Respect for the good work Brothers.
@Ismail I don't think that you should blindly follow the so called Scholars we should conduct our own research
@ayadollar khomaini He doesn't say that you're misrepresenting his view he was simply saying that prevention is better than cure. In regards to women taking care of themselves for their husbands.
@ayadollar khomaini fear Allah what type of a comment are you putting out. Do you want that comment to be on your scale. Making fun of a sheik who is trusted and loved by many Muslims including me
@Ismail lol where did you get this from
@@akifasaraf6414 we should always follow scholars with Qur'an and Sunna context Sahaba, and what builds on that that is knowledge and honest transparent foundation for us to help one another with!
Now I'm addressing #hijab as Sir. Arise Sir Hijab!
Why risk your self when you know it can cause you to have doubts or become atheist. Even imam gazali admitted he had doubts. If you have time, learn your Deen instead reading other man's opinion. Muslims who are into philosophy, most of them are ashari. Some of them have problem with hadiths, and Quran verses because of their philosophy and reasoning.
Brother Subboor this comment is related to a previous video on your channel which I have an issue with. It was an idea that was, perhaps, unintentionally promoted by one of your guests brother Firas. Towards the end he promoted the idea that it was maybe a good idea for Muslims to be “brave” enough to follow in the footsteps of Imam al-Ghazalis (or Descartes) experiment with doubt. To invite doubt, and doubt everything first in order to reach certainty. Which in my opinion is crazy and not what Islam calls to. Imam Ghazali himself wasn’t promoting his experience and saying Muslims should also go through what I went through, Rather
his words show that it was a severely troublesome and dreadful experience and that if it was not for a light from Allah that struck his heart he would have remained lost in an abyss. That does not sound like promotion of his experience to me.
Rather the method of the Muslim is that of our father Ibrahim:
“...[Allah] said, "Do you not have faith?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [2:260]
We Muslims already have conviction so we don’t invite doubt, however since certainty is not one level and varies in degrees we invite and seek more certainty to build upon the certainty we already have which is already established within us
Allah knows best
Surely philosophy is just about the study of ideas, in finding their roots and whether they're credible or not. How can this be haram if it's all truth-seeking?
It's excessive and twist your mind. I've not read much philosophy, I read some parts of a book twice, and it already had an effect on my mind temporarily. Even if you use it just to enhance your reasoning skills, I guess it is still going to take an effect on you. The Qur'an is already philosophy if you want it to call that way, because it already answers the fundamental questions we have. It leads to the truth without confusing and destroying one's mind.
@@chillmode1881 ok, so surely if philosophy is all truth-seeking, it will all lead to the Quran directly or even indirectly? I don’t see the issue if philosophy is all secure within truth investigations
@@chillmode1881 I need more from you im really questioning on studying philosophy please give me socials so i can talk with you
Many law majors study philosophy and become great lawyers. If more people studied philosophy they would not get fooled by sophists. That is a fact. Plus they would understand legal contracts better due to rhetorical models of speech.
SubhanAllah, I was literally just debating with myself whether or not I should take a philosophy course at uni since I always watch ur videos and am so interested in the subject. I guess I know my answer now!
am warning you tho, ur islamic knowledge must be firm. My mother knows many Muslim kids who took philosophy and ended up renouncing Islam. especially if its a secular uni.
@@dokyeooomm oof yeah, that's what I'm worried about. I want to learn philosophy so bad but the fact that I know most people in the class are gonna be questioning the existence of God is just...not it.
[22] Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee (d. 204H) said,
“My ruling regarding the people of theological rhetoric is that they should be beaten with palm leaves and shoes and be paraded amongst the kinsfolk and the tribes with it being announced, ‘This is the reward of the one who abandons the Book and the Sunnah and turns to theological rhetoric (kalaam).”
Sharh ‘AqeedatitTahaawiyyah of lbn Abil-’Izz, p. 75.
Ibn ‘Abdul-Barr said,
“The people of Fiqh and Aathaar in all the various towns and cities are agreed unanimously that the Ahlul-Kalaam (People of Theological Rhetoric) are (but) Ahlul-Bida’ waz-Zaigh (the People of Innovations and Deviation). And they are not considered, by all of the above, to be amongst the ranks of the Scholars (in truth).”
Reported by Ibn Qudaamah in his Burhaan fee Bayaanil-Qur’aan.
Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee (d. 204H) said,
“That a person is put to trial with everything that Allaah has forbidden, besides Shirk, is better than that he looks at Kalaam (theological rhetoric).” He also said, “If people knew what (misleading and destructive) desires are contained within theological rhetoric they would certainly flee from it as they would from a lion,”
he also said,
“Whoever showed boldness in approaching theological rhetoric will never prosper.”
Reported by Ibn Qudaamah in his Burhaan fee Bayaanil-Qur’aan.
One of the Scholars of ash-Shaash said:
“Every knowledge save that of the Qur’aan is a pre-occupation
Except for the Hadeeth and Fiqh (understanding) of the Deen
Knowledge is only that about which it is said,
‘Haddathanaa …‘ (So and so narrated to us)
And what is besides that
Are but whisperings of the Shayaateen (devils)”
Aboo Yoosuf, the companion of Aboo Haneefah said,
“Whoever sought knowledge by kalaam (theological rhetoric) will turn a heretical apostate,” and Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241H) said, “The person of theological rhetoric will never prosper. And never do you see anyone looking into theological rhetoric except that in his heart is a desire for creating mischief.”
Sister, I just wrote a comment with over 200 words and posted the evidences in another comment, it got deleted just great!!! Im really angry now because of this youtube...
I saw ur comment on my phone and had to jump on my pc
Sister, all respect due, refrain unless you are scholarly in knowledge because secular unis as the other sister pointed out will inject you with shubuhat and this is just simply a root for heresy.
Most muslims end up apostasizing due to not knowing enough about their religion, correct aqeedah, etc....
Ilm al kalam is the road to innovations in the religion, steer clear my sister
The talab al ilm, students of knowledge, and ulema, scholars, have always said to stay away from it, and these are from the ones of Ahlus Sunnah.
You see kalam already in our religion, asharia, matruidiyyah, with no link back to the prophet, and just a link back to these kalam arguements, Some people even started saying that Allah azawajal is not above his throne due to kalam.
Remember my sister also, your society influences you regardless of what they are saying being right or wrong, sitting in classes with atheists and people that propogate anti religion let alone the course content will slowly seep into your mind sister.
@@Cartouchai Bro the kalam Imam shafi was talking about was of the devient mutazili not of the ashari which was a later type of kalam
Jazakum Allahu Khair brothers. Can you please cite the reference from Ibn Taymiyyah's works where he said the phrase you mentioned?
Read Taha Abdul rahman books, he even made philosophy accessible to Muslims in a way never before. He focused on the tools of philosophy. Every muslim MUST read his books.
nice introduction may Allah help and support us...ya Latiif.
One of the biggest regrets in my life is studying Philosophy. Ya muslimeen stay away from this as farrrr as possible unless you are very grounded on your aqeedah because if it wasn’t for me having a the limited knowledge I had in the fundamentals of the deen then philosophy would have been a breeding ground for shubuhat (doubts)I spoke to someone of knowledge about philosophy and they warned me against it.
Trust me it’s a bunch of human conjectures and waffle why waste your time on it to seem academic? Or even if you enjoy it why?!?!? Stick to the Quran and Sunnah with the understanding of the salaf and that will suffice Alhamdullilah
But Ibn taymiyyah said that you shouldn't read in those things before studying Islam creed well and unfortunately the level of creed that ibn taymiyyah meant you will not reach if you don't know arabic because most of the important books of it are not translated.
The Quran says "wa jaadilhum" meaning "argue with them", how will you argue without making arguments? it says reason with them, will you preach? Ironically, the quran separately mentions that when it says "wal mow'idatil hasanah" "invite to the way of your lord with wisdom and good advice and argue with them."
We must use logic, let alone is it Mubah or Haram? as M. Hijab says.
Ya ikhwan for all of u who are saying "I wanna learn philosophy for dawah purposes " ,for God's sake set your priorities straight guys ,Learn the Qur'an and Islam first and may be than take a course on giving dawah etc and whether to study philosophy or not at a uni comes afterwards
Jzkl khairan for sharing this. I just want to kindly correct brother Hijab on the notion that the old term of philosophy, or philosophers, referred mainly to the school of Ibn Sina, and, thus, polymaths like Imam al-Ghazali refuted him. Rather, Imam Al-Ghazali categorises the philosophers into three main groups, and states that Ibn Sina, et al, are from one of those groups (see his al-Munqidh).
I believe the term philosophy was generic as it is today. There’s also, then, the important distinction between philosophy and dialectical theology (kalaam) which is of ‘tabaayun’.
And Allah knows best.
As you said what would the alternative be? Philosophy is a pretty good tool to prove Islam.
Yes I think you both covered that well. MashaAllah well done
Philosophy helps me understand Islam.
Brothers you forgot to bring from the book ibn taymiyyah made which was called bayan talbis al Jahamiyyah where he refutes abu hamid al ghazali and other asharis and says how they are using the same methodology that the Jahamiyyah used
What I understood is that using philosophy and logic can only be used as long as it doesn't contradict with the Quran and Ahadeeth.
Thank you so much for this, I was so confused on this topic please talk more about Islam and philosophy
Someone once asked me ...what's your philosophy? I was a bit confused considering they are muslim as well. I said Islam ..Islam is my philosophy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂 Hayakallah
It's better you ask that person what he means philosophy. Mathematical philosophy, analytical philosophy, theological philosophy and such.
Yes I believe philosophy can contradict but not all there's different type of philosophies perhaps like stoicism which teaches one to be ready for future circumstances and not to cry over spilled milk. Any Knowledge is important. Without knowledge we cannot survive in this world, without reasoning we cannot work smartly that's where the philosophy of rationalization arrives, which tells one to rationalize abt why this thing happened and how. E.g if we see a person in a swimming suit we can assume that he wants to swim, that is basic logic and we all must know it even as a Muslim, we've to remember tht we're humans as well.
Sheikhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said:
”Philosophical logic is like the flesh of a camel at the top of a mountain. It is not easy to climb the mountain, nor is the flesh good enough to justify climbing, nor is the path leading to it easy to follow.’’ He (rahimahullaah) also said: ”There are no philosophers upon right guidance” He (rahimahullaah) also said: ‘’Islaam does not have philosophers’’[1]
[1]Source: Naseehat Ahl Eemaan Fee Radd alaa Mantiq al Yunaan. (page:157)
I enjoyed this Keep doing this videos with muhamad hijab
Fantastic. A religion which teaches you “HOW” to think !
Maybe a bit afraid of critical thinking, common sence, logic or call it what you want.
Religion and religious people never stop surprising me.
If you watched the video, they said it’s fine to study philosophy
@@studiouspanda7183 : A yes takes 2 seconds. With restrictios 16.35 min. Listen.
@@studiouspanda7183 : It should have been a “no” (haram) - sorry.
@@erikhviid3189 yeah to explain the benefits of studying philosophy and to give sources to backup the fact that their answer is in line with classical scholars
Our super heroes... Thank you Subboor Ahmad and Mohammed Hijab. May Allah bless you all and reward you and your families for all that you are doing...
Philosophy means love of sophistry.
Quran 2:165 deals with love
Al-Baqarah 2:165
وَمِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ مَن يَتَّخِذُ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ أَندَادًا يُحِبُّونَهُمْ كَحُبِّ ٱللَّهِۖ وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَشَدُّ حُبًّا لِّلَّهِۗ وَلَوْ يَرَى ٱلَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوٓا۟ إِذْ يَرَوْنَ ٱلْعَذَابَ أَنَّ ٱلْقُوَّةَ لِلَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَأَنَّ ٱللَّهَ شَدِيدُ ٱلْعَذَابِ
English - Sahih International
And [yet], among the people are those who take other than Allah as equals [to Him]. They love them as they [should] love Allah. But those who believe are stronger in love for Allah. And if only they who have wronged would consider [that] when they see the punishment, [they will be certain] that all power belongs to Allah and that Allah is severe in punishment.
Japanese - Ryoichi Mita
165.だが人びとの中にはアッラーの外に同位の者を設けて，アッラーを愛するようにそれらを愛する者もある。だが信仰する者たちは，アッラーを激しく熱愛する。これら悪を行う者が，その懲罰を見る時思い知るがいい。一切の権能がアッラーに属し，またアッラーが厳しい懲罰を加えられることを。
Al-Ma'idah 5:67
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَۖ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُۥۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ ٱلنَّاسِۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ
English - Sahih International
O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people.
Japanese - Ryoichi Mita
67.使徒よ，主からあなたに下された（凡ての）ものを，宣ベ伝えなさい。あなたがそれをしないなら，かれの啓示を宣べ伝える使命は果せないであろう。アッラーは，（危害をなす）人びとからあなたを守護なされる。アッラーは決して不信心の民を導かれない。
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Philosophy means friend of wisdom by definition it’s a Hellenic term and was invented in ancient Hellas.
Filo = friend Sofia = Wisdom
Wisdom-friend or friend of wisdom.
Philosophy is like any other specialization , those who're steady and fixed in Aqeeda and have the ability to study this Subject should do so.
Didn’t Ibn Sina say that the Juziyat are known through the kulliyaat? These are two mediums of knowledge, they are not two objects of knowledge. So u can know something in a kulli way or a juzzi way. Please re read the literature. Maybe I’m wrong.
For anyone who’s interested, I will also be exploring this topic on clubhouse. I really appreciate the sentiments expressed in this video, however, as a philosophy instructor I find the final comments a bit problematic.
Masha Allah..Two blessed and powerful guys❤... suboor💗 and M-hijab💗
There are certain sheikhs who never use philosophy and are clearly against it. These sheiks give and show evidence of how philosophy is not needed. So it begs the questions why do you need to use it, when it can clearly lead to kufri statements etc etc
I need more from you im really questioning on studying philosophy please give me socials so i can talk with you
The fact that this even needs to be debated in the first place is sad
Hijab gave his hair to Subboor
God has given us logic as a tool why would god create something to go against it and if there is would be our fault to not be able to fathom it?
have you forgotten what happened to imam ahmad 19years in prison and tortured because of their ideology
philosophy : causes muktazilah to go astray
philosophy : causes asy'ariyah and maturidiyah to go astray
philosophy : causes Jahmiyyah to go astray
Could you please discuss objective and subjective Islamic epistemology. Western paradigms talk about them separately but in Islam knowledge is both objective and subjective.
Please keep doing these kinds of videos.
Where do you draw the line with reasoning though? There's mufti/scholars online rejecting miracles of the quran by using reason/logic. They reinterpret the quran to make it sound scientifically sound, but the quran clearly implies the supernatural in relation to miracles. I think you guys should make a video to clarify the correct position on how we should approach the quranic stories/miracles.
Wallahi i don't know why people said to me.
Here from Nigeria as a teenager they will say to me umar philosophy leads to atheism.
Philosophy means love of wisdom. St. Paul: "to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1Corinthians 1:24) Halal.
It doesn't prove that, but nice try.
@@HusXX Paradox: "the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God....Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become "fools" so that you may become wise." (1Cor.1:8; 3:18)
Hey, i could be wrong regarding this.
The thing is about the shirt hijab is wearing.
Uyghurs should be free, but we have to be realistic. They won't be getting a different country with a different flag, just like the kurds.
For the movement to be successful, we need to change it. It has to be about minority rights, rather than a seperatist movement.
I think you guys know the practicality of separatist movements.
You are right about being realistic. But freedom still applies because uygurs are in concentration camps now. First they need to be free from reds terror camps and after they need other minority rights.
I have some clarification.. Imam Ghazali actually regretted most of his works written earlier in his oldage because they were too much rooted in philosophy.. agree with most of your points, bas clarify this one
Proof?
Lets be totally honest, what you brothers are basically saying the Asharis and Maaturidis were and are right generally speaking.
No since they used the philosophy to attack the religion itself. And by having clear deviancy. Philosophy is used to show that islam is true not to be used to attack it.
@@abdul9591 Asharis and Maaturidis used philosophy to destroy Islam, Ma Sha Allah.
Imam abu hasan al Ashari, Imam Taftazani Imam Al Ghazali, Al Bayhaqi, Imam Nawawi, Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani, Ibn Hajar Al Makki, Imam As Subki father and son, list doesn't end. your saying they used philosophy to destroy islam and nearly 700 years later Ibn Taymiyyah came and used it in the right way, Ma Sha Allah, Jazak Allah Khayr brother.
@@truthoverhappiness7338
I can also bring a huge list of non ashiri and matuirdi scholars too, so what is your point. The four madahib are not ashari and each have huge amount of well known scholars.
@@abdul9591 like Abdur Rahman Ibn Al Jawzi, Ibn Aqil, Abu Bakr Al Khallal, Ibn Qudamah, Abdul Ghani Al Maqdasi list goes on, are you referring to them, everyone knows that the Atharis are also part of Ahle Sunnah, which set of scholars are you referring to?
@@truthoverhappiness7338
Yeah them imams, ahl as sunnah wal jama'ah
Bruv Subboor looks like Jim Morrison in 1970 with his Mexican jacket.
In high-school I got into it...especially because they focus on socarates and the greeks etc. A lot of them focus on anti-thiestic ideas, I wasn't exposed to Islamic philosphers up until recently and western philosophy can lead people astray, if your iman isn't intact. Pros and Cons.
Why study Philosophy when you haven't mastered Islamic uloom? Doesn't make sense.
Every true Muslim scholar is and should be a pragmatic instrumentalist vis a vis worldly discourses.
Please make a video on Ibn Sina, and what was his justification for doing things like drinking alcohol
salam. Hijab, the point about Ibn Sina on 'ilm ilahi is inaccurate. if you're following Ghazali in the Tahafut on this, then you should know that he misunderstood the matter deeply there - failing, among other things, to keep apart the ma'lum and the nahw al-'ilm of it. so regarding the juz'iyyat, the mashsha'is (i.e., Avicennians) hold that in the divine case the nahw al-'ilm of them differs from ours, but not the ma'lum. the ma'lum is the same in both cases i.e., the juz'i itself. the shaykh (rahimahu Allah) is clear on the encompassing reach of divine ilm in many places. here's one:
فإن كان هيهنا سبب أول لجميع الموجودات كان علمه محيطا بجيمعها على هذا الوجه إذ لا يخلو موجود من سبب حتى وجود تبنة في لبنة و حتى مقام ريد في داره
And hence if here there’s a first cause of the totality of existents, then Its knowledge encompasses them in their entirety in this way, since no existent [i.e., among that totality] is free from a cause, not even the existence of chaff in brick and not even Zayd’s place in his house.
can you teach me your knowledge
You have your bickering scholars or Allah the creator of the worlds - the choice is yours, allhumdallah 👑
The question that spins in my mind
What is the Horizon or at which extinct could we use the philosophical principals to defend or enhance what comes in Quran and Suna ?