Did SeaWorld Breed "Hybrid" Orcas Like Jurassic World?
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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A former orca trainer recently claimed that SeaWorld’s orca breeding program was like Jurassic World, a movie whose premise "is that they created hybrid dinosaurs" saying, "that is exactly what we did at SeaWorld[...] The main takeaway with creating a hybrid orca is that you truly have no idea what you've created because they don't exist in nature. So all things are possible."
Is this true? Did SeaWorld's orca breeding program really create hybrid orcas? Or is this an over-sensationalized headline designed to get clicks?
UPDATE: Since this video was published, new studies have found that Resident and Bigg's killer whales are different species and should be classified as such. I talk about that here: • A New Species of Orca ...
While many people disagree with SeaWorld’s decision to breed orcas in the first place, the truth is that SeaWorld did not create Jurassic World style orcas. They did breed the southern resident orcas and the North Atlantic Type 1 Orcas but these are not different subspecies. They are different ecotypes of orca.
There are some in the scientific community who are pushing to review the taxonomic classification of orcas. Source: www.aquaticmammalsjournal.org...
While misleading headlines like “SeaWorld Denies It Created Hybrid 'Jurassic World'-Style Orcas” generate views… the clickbait only serves as a distraction to real issues facing orcas. In the wild, southern resident orcas are critically endangered. One of the greatest threats they face is a lack of genetic diversity caused by inbreeding.
It should also be noted that SeaWorld ended their orca breeding program in 2016.
I am a marine biologist with over a decade of experience working with marine mammals. However, I have never worked at SeaWorld and I have never worked with orcas. I have also been critical of SeaWorld in the past, as you can see in the video.
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UPDATE: Since this video came out, new studies have found that Resident and Bigg's killer whales are different species and should be classified as such. I talk about that here: ua-cam.com/video/TnJVE2oNJH0/v-deo.html
So interesting!
Hi KPassionate. I'm a marine biology student and a lover of all things animal-related. Yes, Seaworld has bred Pacific Northwest ecotypes of killer whales such as Southern and Northern Residents and Transients, as well as Icelandic North Atlantic Type 1 and Argentinian Transients. Southern Residents and Transients overlap in range (Washington, California, Oregon, British Columbia), yet they refuse to socialize. Although Southern Residents venture to British Columbia, the territory of the Northern Residents, they never interbreed. Southern and Northern Residents have eerily similar cultures - yet they refuse to interbreed. It's something that hasn't been discussed nearly enough. If at all. That being said, Seaworld's hybrids seem to be in good health. Not only that, they seem more advanced than their pure-blooded counterparts. I'm sure you've heard of Orkid, Seaworld's most intelligent orca. Orkid is the daughter of Orky, a Northern Resident from British Columbia, and Kandu V, who was from Iceland. Orkid has had a lot of tragedies in her life. She was only 11 months old when she lost her mother. Kandu V tried to ram Corky; but instead collided with the wall, severing a major artery. Orkid was raised by Corky and Kasatka, as well as the trainers. Seaworld trainers gave her the nickname 'rocket scientist.' Different ecotypes can produce healthy, highly functioning offspring - even if they choose not to in the wild.
Seaworld has done both great and terrible things. We can all agree capturing killer whales was immoral. Luckily, North America and Iceland banned live captures a few decades ago. Separating mothers from their calves was equally immoral. That has thankfully stopped. The last separation happened in 2009. Before places such as the Seattle Marine Aquarium (which housed Namu) and Seaworld, orcas were hated and feared. People would shoot and throw rocks at them. Moby Doll, Namu, and Shamu changed all that. Marine parks made generations of children fall in love with these magnificent mammals. Sadly that came at a cost. The main issue people have is the size of the tanks. The tanks should be larger and more natural. Then there's also the health issue. Pneumonia and septicemia are the most common causes of death in captivity. If you make another similar video in the future, please be as unbiased as possible. Some people say orca captivity is horrible, while others claim it is without faults. It's hard to find videos that acknowledge both the pros and the cons. I look forward to seeing more of your content!
They're just animals. Their own feelings, if they even exist, do not matter.
@@accelerationquanta5816 we're just animals
@@accelerationquanta5816 Wow. I hope you're ok, because you seem a little disconnected... emotionally.
@@stefyroxanne7567 You seem overemotional, sheltered, sensitive, and weak-willed.
Animals are so much better than us humans...pure and true..they do nothing bad to the planet..insects included.. ❤️ I worship all of them..
I'll start with the negative and end with the positive. Seaworld separated Kalina, Takara, Kohana, Trua, Skyla, Keet, Keto, Tuar, Unna, Katerina, Sumar, Tekoa and Ikaika from their mothers. The leading cause of death in captive orcas is infection. They mixed different ecotypes that never socialize in the wild (orcas from different oceans who speak different dialects). I have nothing against the trainers and the veterinarians. Nor do I have anything against marine parks and aquariums (Monterey Bay Aquarium is one of my favorite places in the world). People who work with these animals love and care for them. Unfortunately, the trainers and veterinarians don't make the decisions. They have no control over who gets transferred or why. And therein lies the problem.
The fact is, orcas don't do well in captivity. They are too intelligent (they're the most intelligent marine mammal next to bottlenose dolphins) and too large to be kept in small tanks. L25 Ocean Sun (Lolita's presumed mother) is over 95. K7 Lummi was 98. J2 Granny was between 80-100 years of age. J1 Ruffles was 59. T087 Harbeson is 60 (the oldest male orca on record). T018 Esperanza is 68. The only captive orcas to have reached old age are Lolita (56/57) and Corky (58). Katina is 47 and Ulises is 46. Now for the positive. They ended their orca breeding program, they no longer separate mothers from their offspring, and the shows became more educational. It's a step in the right direction.
Hopefully, one day soon they'll stop holding these animals in captivity at all. There is no (!) scientific reason for it. I think it's very cruel. I also don't blame the trainers and vets, I'm sure they love the animals very much, but in my opinion this all has to stop.
Happy to find you see the grey area in the situation! Although I disagree regarding life expectancy. Studies show that these animals live as long as their wild counterparts. Of course many have not had the chance to reach Granny's age but they are still alive. And as you know Granny was an outlier. Depending on whether or not you include calves the average life expectancy of the Southern Resident females is between 29-50. 17-38 for males. Just as I might live to be 105, it is far more likely that I will live to be 70 or so.
I completely agree that if the trainers and veterinarians ran these places everything would be different. In the end it is a business. I hope that more facilities like Monterey Bay will continue to flourish and expand. Situations like Lolita's should be universally abhorred I think we can agree.
Thanks so much for the level headed conversation! I love to speak with people like yourself.
@@KPassionate Yes, you are correct about their life expectancy. Granny, Ocean Sun, Ruffles, and T087 seem to be the exception rather than the norm. But don't you agree their lifespans are similar to those of humans? According to NOAA, males can live up to at least 60 years, and females can live up to at least 90 years. Maybe some ecotypes live longer/shorter than others? We get most of our data from the Southern and Northern Residents. Orca studies began in the mid-1970s in Washington and British Columbia. The first extensive studies on Icelandic orcas started in 2008 (they've been loosely observed since the 80s). There are still many unknowns about these animals. Lolita is 56/57. Corky is 58. Ulises is 46, well over the average life expectancy of a male orca. So SW must be doing something right.
Breaching the four lower Snake River dams is imperative to ensure the survival of both wild salmon and Southern Residents. Twelve members of their population have been designated as vulnerable (poor body condition). There has been some good news, though. Two calves have been born this year. Granny's great-granddaughter J37 Hy'shqa gave birth to a female orca, J59. K20 Spock gave birth to K45 (the first successful K pod birth in 11 years). Each calf is of vital importance to this struggling population. It's hard to imagine Washington's coast without them. Even though Bigg's orcas often visit the same area, there's something unique about Residents. I hope they restore wild salmon before this beloved, critically endangered population goes extinct.
@@Cassandra96 57 and 44 are not the over the average life expectancy. You said yourself the males can live up to at least 60 years. Even if the animals they have live longer then they do in they wild, they do it in a featureless bowl. Try living your whole in a featureless room that isn't quite big enough for you and see how good you think your caretakers are doing. Orcas are to big and to smart to live in what is basically a puddle for them. There's more to quality of life then the span of it.
@@stanleyhyde8529 There's a difference between life spans and life expectancy. The life expectancy of a male orca is 30 years; however, they can live up to 60 years or more. The life expectancy of a female orca is 50 years, but they can live up to 90 years or more.
They didn't just mix Southern Residents with North Atlantic Type 1. They mixed Southern Residents, Northern Residents, North Atlantic Type 1 and Transients (both from the Salish Sea and Argentina). Malia and Tekoa are the grandchildren of Kanduke (Canadian Transient) and Gudrun (North Atlantic Type 1). Orkid is a Northern Resident/North Atlantic Type 1 hybrid. Makani and Kamea are Argentinian Transient/North Atlantic Type 1 hybrids (Kasatka and Takara were artificially inseminated by Kshamenk). They've created hybrids that never would have existed in the wild. Resident and Transient orcas have not shared a common ancestor for over 750,000 years.
Sea World chose cheapest option
It's like orcas have staunch dogmas like humans.
But doesn't sex naturally sometimes break these strict cultural norms & sometimes orcas interbreed across cultures?
@@zenithzeitgeist7489 No. They never interbreed, nor do they socialize.
@@zenithzeitgeist7489 These different orcas even have different vocalizations in their own "Language" that is different from the others. So even if they tried to communicate, they wouldn't be able to understand eachother like they would with their own types.
To have an ancestor you need to descend and she just stated that there are no subspecies. The ecotypes didn’t descend from an ancestor they are the existing representatives of the same species. They aren’t hybrids because the ecotypes aren’t different species. Orcas are the undisputed apex predators of any Marine environment and being at the tippy top, the absolute pinnacle of their food chain has allowed them to diversify in more ways than one like humans…
Yea, bad sensationalized with the Jurassic Park junk. Right on with that. But, Sea World's breeding program didn't just hybridize southern resident with North Atlantic type 1. They hybridized Bigg's/North Atlantic type 1, northern resident/North Atlantic type 1, and Argentinian/North atlantic type 1. As far as captive breeding saving the SRs, that ignores the behavioral differences between the ecotypes Sea World has created. In addition to type D's being considered a subspecies, Bigg should be too. 700,000 genetic isolation worth of time.
In regards to the usual defining trait of species being unable to produce fertile offspring, and because different ecotypes of orca can.... cetaceans break that general rule. Fertile fin/blue whale, false killer whale/bottlenose dolphin, dall's porpoise/harbor porpoise, and Risso's dolphin/bottle(nose dolphin have been recorded. In addition to other cetacean hybrid events that may, may not have been fertile (southern right whale dolphin/dusky dolphin for example). The clemene dolphin species...is actually a hybrid itself. Cross between striped dolphins and one of the spinner dolphins.
Sea World's breeding program was similiar in one way to the fictional Jurassic Park. Make money. Not one of those calves, hybrid or not, was ever going to be released to help flagging populations (release of cetaceans under human care is usually said impossible by them), unlike with the sea otters example you gave. They did it to keep performers, as it was getting too hard to capture them from the wild, or use a middle man aquarium to do the dirty work.
Interesting point about the false killer whale and bottlenose hybrid. I had forgotten about that somehow 😂. But I wasn’t insinuating that they would release these animals to help populations in the wild. I meant it’s healthier for their populations in the park. Even the sea otter example isn’t breeding sea otters and releasing them. They are just hoping to relocate current populations.
Seaworld of course makes money from the animals but they also use some of that money to do groundbreaking research and top notch rescue, rehabilitation, and release. But it is a business in the end.
@@KPassionate them doing this to keep good genetics in their orcas wouldn't be an issue if they took better care of them. And yeah, I know SeaWorld has access to top veterinary care and definitely don't skimp on it (except in the dental section), but if their habitats were better/more mentally stimulating for them then it wouldn't be as much of an issue of them doing this. Also blatant lies on that whales can't be released considering dolphins(and orcas are actually dolphins) have been successfully rehabilitated.
Not trying to attack you, if it comes across that way! Just frustrated with some things SeaWorld does.
@@maggielandrey7232 they take excellent care of their orcas. If you have specific questions or concerns that you’d like me to address I would be happy to hear them in DMs on my social media platforms or discord. It is impossible to keep up in these comments. And as far as I know there has never been a successful introduction to the wild of whales or dolphins born under human care. Happy to check over articles if you have an example.
@@KPassionate Forgot???? you never new sweetie.
@@mad-pit3832 hahaha I worked with a false killer whale named Chester. But thanks for playing.
Southern Resident orcas live in the Pacific Northwest. They feed on salmon (mostly Chinook). North Atlantic Type 1 live in the Atlantic Ocean. They feed on herring and mackerel. They speak different dialects. Seaworld has also created hybrids between Pacific Northwest Transients and North Atlantic Type 1, Northern Residents and North Atlantic Type 1, Argentinian Transients and North Atlantic Type 1. Orkid, one of their hybrids, is extremely intelligent. She is half Canadian Northern Resident, and half Icelandic North Atlantic Type 1.
Orcas are my favorite animals. I'm constantly in search of videos and books about them. Endangered Orcas : The Story of the Southern Residents by Monika Wieland Shields is a must-read for orca lovers. Monika is the president of the Orca Behavior Institute and an expert on Southern Residents. Listening to Whales : What the Orcas Have Taught Us by Alexandra Morton and Into Great Silence : A Memoir of Discovery and Loss Among Vanishing Orcas by Eva Saulitis are my favorites. I don't think orcas should be kept in captivity. I do enjoy your channel, though. Subscribed.
you should watch the 0800 see orca series by robert marc lehmann on youtube you will love it
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I have done some research into both captive orcas and wild orcas and some of your facts are wrong. Seaworld did not just breed Resident and Icelandic orcas, but also Resident and Transient orcas. Living examples would be Malia (25% Bigg's Transient 75% Southern Resident), Kamea (50% Argentinian Transient 50% Icelandic), and Tekoa (75% Icelandic 25% Bigg's Transient). As you mentioned Transient whales are larger and eat primarily marine mammals, while the Resident and Icelandic eat fish. We know from past experience that captive Transients and their offspring usually have more health problems and do not live as long.
Secondly Seaworld did have inbred ocras, Nalani, Adán, and Vicky. Yes, Adán and Vicky were born at Loro Parke, but at the time of both of their births they were still owned by Seaworld. Plus all the orcas sent to Loro Parke on a breeding loan were related, meaning any offspring they produced would be inbred.
Lastly I noticed on a comment that you argued orcas in captivity do not die younger than their wild counterparts. that is simply not true. I saw you compared the average lifespan of the Southern Resident to captive whales. Yes captive whales have similar lifespans to the Southern Residents, but you cannot compare supposedly "healthy" animals to an endangered population that is starving to death like the Southern Residents.
Malia doesn't have Southern Resident blood. She is Tekoa's sister. They are 75% Icelandic, 25% Bigg's Transient. Taima, their mother, was 50% Bigg's Transient, 50% Icelandic. They had a brother named Sumar who died in 2010. You're correct about Kamea. She is 50% Icelandic, 50% Argentinian Transient. Makani is 50% Icelandic, 50% Argentinian Transient. Orkid is 50% Northern Resident, 50% Icelandic. Seaworld owned only one full-blooded Transient - Kanduke. Takara and Kasatka were artificially inseminated with Kshamenk (he lives in Argentina).
@@Cassandra96 Thank you so much for the clarification
I wouldn't give SeaWorld enough credit to have thought about gene diversity when breeding their orcas. Likely, they just mixed orcas together at random and because there were males and females they bred. The fact they had Tilikum father half of all their calves through artificial insemination proves they didn't care about genetic diversity, probably because they believed they'd always be able to bring in more animals when the inbreeding got too bad.
DragonFae16, the Orca calves in the SeaWorld system are the product of artificial insemination, so they are most definitely intentionally choosing.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 And for half of them they chose a single male. They also allowed a pair of half-siblings to breed. Their plan was 'make more orcas no matter the cost'.
DragonFae16, yeah they have a profit motive for breeding. Doesn’t change the substantively factually comment that I made. SMH.
@@DragonFae16ugh how disgusting..I hate these type of places..circuses . Karma is a beautiful thing ❤️
Tillikum was massive. The bigger the orcas the better
When I was a kid, my dream was to become a marine biologist just so I could work with dolphins at Sea World. Thankfully, my life went in a different direction. Your videos allow me to see what I missed and I'm so very thankful to you for it. I've never been to a Sea World, and glad of it in light of all that is known about them now. It's good to know they might have actually done a little bit of something right. Thank you, KP. Keep up the good works.
Well you might be surprised. I think SeaWorld is an amazing organization. I’ll be covering that in future videos. There are things to criticize but overall they are fantastic. Let me know if you have any questions.
@@KPassionate I look forward to ALL of your videos. All are educational and most are adorable, too. I guess Sea World's kidnapping of whales has over-shadowed what good they've done, in my eyes. I would sincerely enjoy seeing their good deeds retake the spotlight for them. Thank you. How long did you study before you could do "hands on" work with marine animals? I hope you all have a safe and wonderful rest of the weekend!
@@KPassionate no one would care about these animals . A few were sacrificed
Sea World is a crime
Sea World is not all that good! I seeing documentary films that will make you angry.
Despite orcas often being called 'the jerks of the sea,' I love them. lol They often harass other animals without eating them. No one is safe from these psychopathic sea pandas. Well, no one but humans, apparently. They don't hunt us for some reason. People often swim with them in New Zealand and Norway. Kayakers encounter them often in Washington and British Columbia. They often bypass paddle-boarders in California. Yet, for some reason, they don't attack. I believe there was only one recorded attack and it was non-fatal. A surfer needed stitches in his leg, but that was it. I think it's because they never deviate from their known diets. I read they only eat what they've been taught to by their mothers. Or is it because they use echolocation; therefore, the possibility of mistaking a human for a seal is next to none?
Not sure if you watched the movie, but the modern splicing wasn't to "fill in DNA", but it was to make a weapon. They're using the excuse of splicing dna to hide the fact someone hired them to make a bio engineered weapon.
Could you elaborate on that a little bit more? I have a vague Idea what you are referring to, but not certain if you are just reproducing conspiracy theories here. :)
@@Chareidos Specifically talking about the hybrid dinosaurs. The scene where De. Wu was getting drilled on *WHY* the Indominous had so many unforseen' adaptations. He tried to play it off that he used DNA from specific animals to help it adapt but it was a vaguely thin lie. Later on in the movie, Wu gets air lifted by the defense department security guy asking if "their deal was still on".
During the camp Netflix series, they reveal Indominous wasn't the first. Scorpious is the first hidden hybrid attempt but was neutralized due to it's volitile nature and kept hidden from higher up.
Pretty sure there is more but I'm too lazy to watch the 4th or the Camp series again. Lol
(Edit) Specifically I'm referring to the Hybrid dinosaur(s) and not the base dinosaurs. Those have their own explanation
@@VirtuesOfSin Wow. Thanks for the recap of Jurassic Park Lore. Never saw these shows.
I am really not deep into the background lore, especially those hybrids for me being just a consequent step after messing with DNA technology for a while, if you stop to actually aim for the original or popular image of dinosaurs.
The only thing I was taking from Dr. Wu talk, that all products of Ingen are technically "hybrids" or "spliced", since "frog DNA" (and what not) was added to fill the gaps.
It is maybe the same reason why those Raptors were able for Parthenogenesis?
About Dr. Wu I am now wondering, if all those Park creation had been just for the research finance and if they were already aiming for military purpose to begin with or if it just happens, that military companies were getting interested after or around the events of the first movie.
@@Chareidos In the books they fill the gaps with a few different modern animals (frogs, reptiles, birds etc) but they only said frog in the movie cause it was relevant to parthenogenesis plot. The book makes it more clear that they didn't know what they were cloning, like how they mislabeled Deinonychus as "Velociraptor". Yes the books also use the outdated name "Velociraptor antirrhopus" for Deinonychus (Grant digs one up in the US like how the movie starts) BUT Wu specifically says the ones in the park are "Velociraptor mongoliensis" because "the amber was found in China". But we know for a fact Crichton intended them to be relabeled Deinonychus, so Wu saying they are "mongoliensis" seems to have been apart of the "they don't know what they're cloning" narrative. This also means either Wu is mistaken that the amber was found in China and/or InGen got black market amber that was originally from the US.
Even tho Spielberg also intended the raptors in the movies to be renamed Deinonychus this nuance seems have have been lost since all tie-in material have always referred to the raptors as "mongoliensis" and "from Mongolia" and background signs in JW say the park has Deinonychus separate from their normal raptors. Which I'd like to think is a reference to the mess in the book but I sadly don't think that's the case.
@@tatsudragneel4761 I did not read the books, unfortunately, but knew that the Movie (like always when it comes to adaptations) was heavy on the reducing end when it came to the details.
I saw that reference of Frog DNA in that presentation video with that cartoon mascott as a foreshadowing hint for all those science nerds who would know about the parthenogenesis part, and as a way of showing how the Park Operation was clearly about "Infotainment" for the tourists and kidz or something, not taking the whole affair serious.
I established very early on in my head canon that these Dinosaurs are just genetic "chimeras" and not even close to real cloned dinosaurs.
Reality is, they have created hybrids except between different species, a killer whale. The original stock they had, which was North Pacific fisheaters, they subsequently acquired Icelandic animals of a different species of a totally different ocean at eco-tight. Hence, why there animals are hybrids in some cases. such as Orkid who is the daughter of an Icelandic mother and a Canadian father. Her parents wouldn’t even understand each other because they don’t speak the same language. One is a generalist Vida in the form of her mother while the other specialised in hunting fish.
To be fair, for years scientists didn't realize their were subspecies of orcas.
They still don’t recognize them as subspecies as a matter of fact.
I think the issue here is we are still using breeding as the method of DNA of splicing. Its a crude caveman way of changing animals. I.E. dogs cats. What we haven't accomplished is DNA splicing at the cellular level through bio-engineering. Jurassic (whatever, pick one) is still operating at the level of bio-engineering DNA. We still haven't caught up with the science fiction.
But yea its time to free willy.
They did “free Willy" and he died. Not the solution
@@KPassionate I Meant it metaphorically, lets stop captured whale dolphin shows and any other intelligent animal from living in captivity. But since you mention it, it is the answer, a chance of life free with a high probability of death is better than slavery.
Plus it halts the exploitation in its tracks and ends the profit motive from continuing waiting for the whales to die off. Remember live free or die?
@@writerconsidered definitely disagree here. Accredited zoos and aquariums take great care of their animals and provide people with once in a lifetime opportunities to be engaged, amazed, and inspired about conservation. Not to mention the research and conservation funded by these entities. You will likely not enjoy my content. Thanks for stopping by.
@@KPassionate i think sea enclosures are a great sollution since releasing them into the wild is not an option especially for those bred in captivity . For lolita it would be an option to slowly reintegrate her into the wild considdering they know where her original pod is so they could get her reaccustomed to living in the wild and in the mean time she can get her back in touch with her family the pod is known to regularly show up in the same area . for your argument about engaging the public. it would still give people the opportunity to see them not from that close but i'd bet seeing them in a natural environment they'd be even more excited. and lastly accredited aquariums take care of their animals medical needs yes perhaps but they would't need to if not in such small pools nearly all of their illnesses are because they live in such small boring pools. by the way these aquariums are basically accredited by seaworld since the commitee that regulates the zoo's and aquariums only have one expert on aquariums witch is guess who. seaworld. now on one of the arguments on your video the reason the southern resident population is because they were hunted by people who were catching orca's for sea world and other parks. during those hunts a lot of orca's died for example during the capture of lolita there were 2 baby orca and and one adult orca killed if i recalled right
ps english is not my native language so don't disregard my arguments on the basis of me being uneducated because an educated person would not make this many grammar or spelling mistakes
This is kind of off topic, but you don't happen to know what group the Orcas that have been observed killing and eating shark livers, belong to do you? Surely that can't exclusively be their diet? Why do they do this? Especially since they are known to have pretty exclusive diets. I've never seen a great explanation on that.
Those are offshore orca if I recall correctly. I think they will sometimes eat the whole shark and also rays but if given the choice and food is abundant they will focus on the liver!
@@KPassionate thank you! I'm endlessly curious about Orcas and Sharks. I could ask a million follow ups, but I just realized today, you've got a Patreon. I will take my questions over there and hope you've got time for some answers. Love the content as usual!
@@mattchavis5621 my Patreon is a work in progress. But feel free to DM me on Instagram for any questions!
@@KPassionate European otters do this as well, if they find their way into a well stocked fishery they will often kill hundreds of fish and only eat the livers. It's certainly not making them popular in places they have been reintroduced
Sea Lion also display this massive preference for fish livers. I’ve lived almost my whole life along the banks of the Columbia River. When the salmon are running they head straight for the Bonneville Dam to feed on massive amounts of salmon livers. They pull out the liver and let the carcass drop to the river bottom. As salmon populations are under so much pressure, the fish and wildlife department spends the whole season catching the Sea Lions and transporting them back to the sea. The moment they’re released they swim right back up the river for more salmon livers. A few years ago I was sitting on a floating boat dock right in a populated part of town within eyeshot of a bridge that is part of Interstate-5, and I saw a huge adult bull Sea Lion break surface, look at me, and submerge and disappear. I knew exactly where he was going lol.
Their are also some biggs and aregentien transients/ mammal eating orca "hybrids" at SeaWorld and one take at loro parque at the currently alive makani tekoa kamea ana malia
I always think about how socially active members of orca pods are, developing there own 'dialects', if you will.
I bet throwing 2 subspecies together is alot like 2 people speaking different languages overcoming the barrier for the sake of connection and familiarity.
That’s an interesting way to think about it! I would love to know how they think.
I have seen orcas here in Washington many times love them. Thank you for all your good work.
You know...there is perhaps a really interesting deeper dive to be had in part of this story. I actually *DO* know a fair bit of the plight of the Southern Resident Orcas, as well as a lot of the politics and policy problems created by the politicization of the protection of certain fisheries (but not others) AND the politicization for lack of protection for all the waterways and dams of the spawning grounds of those fisheries.
In recent years and decades, peanut head observations of individual Southern Resident orcas who later vanished led to the conclusion that those individuals likely died, given that the development of peanut head indicates starvation. Inbreeding is an issue to be sure, but most of the information I've read seems to indicate that the suspected main reason for Southern Residents dying off is starvation.
One of the most fascinating things about the forests of the Pacific Coast frkm Central California all the way up to Alaska, and inland as far as places like Idaho, is that carbon analysis of those forests (where the carbon in the plants and trees comes from) is primarily (often exclusively) from fish emulsion. Who the heck is fertilizing vast stretches of forest with salmon and steelhead? All the critters who eat them (and drag parts of the carcasses off or poop them out) during spawning season. Certain dams have prevented optimal spawning of certain types of salmon and steelhead (definitely the case of our local dam in Ventura County, CA), and if the salmon aren't able to breed all the places they used to breed, even with hatchery intervention the distribution of fish biomass doesn't distribute across the forest like it otherwise would (impacting the overall health of the forest and making trees more vulnerable to pests and disease). Which makes them more vulnerable to fire. Which removes the biomass that usually holds water on the landscape. Which decreases fish spawning and further stresses the trees from drought. Lather, rinse, repeat in a feedback loop of ecosystem death spiral.
Further, if the fish aren't breeding properly because of various human caused reasons (usually dams), they aren't necessarily getting out to sea in numbers enough to support all of the animals (including humans) who eat them. The problem lies in all the politicization over which fisheries need protection and which don't, as there are very strict rules on what can be harvested on each type of salmon run, and there are families whose entire annual livelihood depends on what they can harvest a few days per year. Certain fisheries are being more protected than others, but out in the ocean those fish populations move and disperse, and scientists are realizing that one of the reasons Southern Residents seem to be more impacted os partially due to which fisheries are protected (and how and by which country) in relation to where those fish live when they go out into the ocean as it relates to their respective predator populations.
And to make it more complicated, coastal development, commercial and recreational shipping, petrochemical development, and military presence create a lot of noise pollution and other pollution that is causing certain animal populations to move to other areas less optimal to support them, or else making it more difficult for orcas to hear, to say nothing of the risk of ship strike (rarer in toothed whales than baleen whales, but the risk is not zero).
Add to that the climate change related impacts in potential spawning grounds in drying upstream rivers and creeks plus changing ocean currents? It's all a hot mess, and Southern Residents got caught in all of it.
Thanks for this! KP and I have talked about doing more videos about the plight of southern residents, including the peanut head syndrome. We even thought about including it in the video because while inbreeding is a problem, it's not JUST because most of the fathers are two males. From what I read, only 30% of the reproductive capable female residents are breeding and researchers believe it's likely do to a lack of food.
If you don't mind, I'd love it if you could share some sources with us in the KPassionate discord about the politics and policy problems you mentioned.
@@doubleagentxv120 I'll have to look them back up again, there are a few different social media feeds I've been following for years, so reading all of this has been gradual over that time. I also follow other feeds regarding western watersheds, and there is a lot of cross pollination of interests for wanting to pull dams down between folks who value forest health and folks who value salmon fisheries. I will look stuff up when I have time in the next few days, and see what I can find for you.
@@doubleagentxv120 although it might also be good to cover some of the various ecotypes more specifically as their own thing in a general overview as well. Words like "resident" and "transient" get tossed around a lot without explanation of culture, dialect, and body morphology variance, as well as the idea that each ecotype has a specialty prey hunting preference and culture, and there is even variance among the ecotype based on geography as well as some level of observed symbiosis between certain orca populations and other marine mammals in cases of protection from predators. Sea World *has* made the idea of "orcas" and "killer whales" less mysterious and more mainstream, but most people are kinda clueless about how orca culture works.
It really is fascinating how monogamous the Southern Residents are to one specific food source, even when facing extreme hunger. The Bald Eagle has made a tremendous return to coastal and inland areas that Southern Residents inhabit precisely because they are indiscriminate eaters. It’s going to be much much harder for us to protect the Southern Residents because returning their food source (salmon) is so much more complex.
"Mules are stronger than donkeys which is why-"
Brain: I call them Strongkeys
I did a project on killer whales and how each ecotype had a different hunting style based on the region they’re found. Like Ray plucking, surfing for seals, and wave washing.
Amazing! They are super interesting that way.
Watching the New Zealand pods hunt rays is extremely fascinating! The way they “gently” place them into tonic immobility and avoid the stinging tail before feeding is an amazing display of learned behavior.
Does anyone know how closely related the two ecotypes mentioned are? I can’t remember but appearance isn’t enough to say they aren’t different subspecies. For example,the Orca in the British isles are most closely related to one of the Antarctic ecotypes if I recall!
I’m not sure if there has been any genetic testing. It would be interesting to see for sure.
Currently all ecotypes are classed as one species, Killer Dolphin Whale (Orcinus orca), no subspecies, but based on data i believe there grounds for the ecotypes to broken up into at least three different species, within the genus (Orcinus), with subspecies being in some. Do you have any idea on the way this is going? Is it still being looked into? Has it already been decided there not enough genetic difference to part them into species or at least subspecies.
I think it is still up for debate in the scientific community. Not sure who ultimately decides these things 😂
I know this is random but I have to ask because next year is going to mark 30 years since the film that put Keiko the Orca on the map and 20 years since he passed away in Norway.
I was just wondering if y'all could give your own personal opinions regarding the effort that was undertaken to rehabilitate and release him because there have been so many different stories and accounts concerning the outcome that I honestly don't know what's accurate or inaccurate regarding it and I'm just wondering if you could possibly help set the record straight and give your own opions and take on the issue.
Mainly because I know a lot of people slandered the effort that was made to help him after he died and still occasionally do so even now nearly 20 years later which is a little unfair to him as well as those who helped him.
I think the idea was a nice one but the actual execution was fueled by political motivation. Keiko showed the trainers time and time again that he lacked the survival skills and even the desire to be released. When trainers expressed this they were taken off the project. Ultimately abandoning him to a slow and lonely death in Norway is one of the more egregious cases of animal cruelty in modern history.
I agree. What the HSUS did to Keiko was cruel. I’ve read the book Killing Keiko by Mark Simmons. It made me so mad that they harassed wild whales to drive them towards Keiko to force them to accept him and when Keiko returned to the boat, he was pushed back towards the pod. They were doing this to prove a point. Like “Look, they belong in the wild. They want to be free.” Keiko did not want to be free. He was too imprinted on people. If a long term captive whale wanted to be free, he or she would be showing signs of having no interest in people. That is a good release candidate.
One thing I wish you would’ve covered is true geographic separation. The ecotypes referenced in this video reside in totally different oceans. The main thing for me is that part. I think it would be different if populations had the physical ability to meet in the wild but that is not the case. They’re separated by multiple landmasses and have been for likely millions of years.
Very true
She totally missed the communication aspect of different ecotypes
Rewatching and taking notes
Thanks! Feel free to let me know if you have any questions. Always available for DMs on discord and my socials.
@@KPassionate I live on the Mendocino coast, full of rivers. We have a lot of otters and seals and I've seen many otters of different sizes at the river mouth, would both river and sea otters be here? Ive seen huge otters, small adult otters and medium sized, and I've had a hard time identifying them. Do you think they might naturally cross breed?
@@deepwaters7242 if you are seeing them in the rivers then it is probably river otters. You might also be seeing seals. I made a video on the differences! River and Sea Otters: What's the Difference?
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that's why I love the otters the same family as ferrets and I love my ferrets
You have ferrets too?!?!
When you say velociraptor, and proceed to show me a utah raptor. The whole video become null to me.
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my wife and i went down a rabbit hole when it came to orcas. We learned about the Transient Resident and Off shore orcas and how these groups have their own culture based on their diet and how the cultures do not interbreed. Is that last part true?
It certainly seems to be! That is the reason that I said that scientists are in the middle of a debate that would potentially start to label a few of these ecotypes as different species.
You could make an interesting romantic story about a transient male orca who falls in love with a resident female. 😊
what species of otter are here in Florida? Because we have small groups of wild otter here in Tampa
i just Googled We have river otters
Yep! North American river otters! I love them too. It can be confusing as they are often found in the ocean as well
When I was little I wanted to go to sea world. I've always been interested in sea animals and orcas are some of the coolest out there. As I started to get older I learned what they were really getting up to ai their parks. The animal abuse and deaths of trainers. I'm surprised this place hasn't been shut down for good.
Where are you getting that information? There has never been any animal abuse convictions. Seaworld is a good facility. I’m sorry that you have been given contradictory information. If you have any questions or concerns feel free to message me on Instagram.
@@KPassionate perhaps they are talking about Miami seaquarium
I'm talking about the reputation sea world has picked up due to their orca program. They were kicked out of the Pacific Northwest west because of their animal collection process. On top of the way the animals have been shifted around without much thought and a training program that punishes rather then rewards behavior. We can't forget the number of people that have died as a result of the negligence of the people that run the place. You don't hear these stories about wild orcas. I've never heard a reason for that that didn't sound like bad apologetics.
@@stanleyhyde8529 I believe all captivity is horrible I am surprised this doctor is cool with it
@@quantumskittles I think that captivity has it's merits. People should give more thought to what's being kept though. Animals as big as orcas really should be out in the open. Spending their lives in those pools would be like living in just your living room with random strangers. Is there enough room for you to move around? Sure, but you can't leave that space.
I think she must work for them. I can't think of any other reason for her to jump to their defense. I hope that she replies. I want to see what she has to say and I'm ot on Instagram.
It’s all true! How do I know? Because I am a hybrid orca/SeaWorld CEO. I do mergers and acquisitions + echo locate and fin slap my dinners.
Excuse me ma'am, so what about grizzly bear and polar bear hybrids which are fertile even after being born two different species
That’s a good point! There are some exceptions. As you can imagine there is far too much to possibly cover in a simple 9 minute video.
"The Ferret is at my feet."
I'm still referring to otters as 'water-kitties"
Growler/Pizzley bears look like prehistoric bears and are bigger than their Polar/Grizzly ancestors.
That happens with ligers too. Something about the "growth inhibitor gene" being turned off or something.
No ! Mules are Not smaller than horses. Donkeys are. However there are donkeys called Mammoth Jacks. 😮 HUGE.
Subspecies, another good example is the different "races" of humans
"Mules are smaller than horses"
Draft mule crosses: Am I a joke to you?
But really, as the owner of a draft mule I almost busted a gut. They are huge, some even bigger than their draft parents.
Sea worlds cross breeding was responsible how when the genetic diversity they were aiming would be a huge and helpful step in the right direction in fighting against the extinction of the KWs in the wild. Key phrase in the wild. Their breeding program didn't any way support the endangered population. Even if they were releasing KWs are very complex social creatures so I doubt they would accept the released individuals into their pods, So tell me how is sea world being responsible or helpful to marine animals.
PS. I want to truly know the answer.
Please I am truly interested so please reply preferably by video
Their research programs are one of a kind and have been instrumental in our understanding of killer whales and how their bodies work. This research is exactly what it takes to make suggestions on policy changes to governments regarding over fishing or harassment by whale watching boats.
These animals do make money for the park and a large amount of that money is poured into their rescue programs. Seaworld rescues, rehabilitates, and releases more animals every year than the rest of North America combined. That is because they make the most money out of any marine facilities and can afford this amazing rescue program.
Let me know if you have any other questions. And thanks for watching!
@@KPassionate can u point me to where I can get these release numbers and also information on their rehabilitation program. I truly appreciate your enthusiasm for marine biology this type of passion and dedication is rare to be paired with a talent to communicate. So thank you for taking the time to reply these small interactions can cause a huge impact over the course of a career if my view of sea world and other marine life parks is wrong and they play a much bigger role in marine life preservation I would love the opportunity to learn about the errors in my thoughts and beliefs. Once again I thank you for your time
@@nerodagreat7753 here is one quick link I found. Let me know if you have questions! www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/seaworlds-rescue-and-rehab-programs/
@@KPassionate thank you I rest my case once again thanks for your time
would this mean (atleast some) human "races" are closer to being subspecies from one another or are theyt?
i know this is random but it just sprung up. like we have aboriginals with vastly different skulls and parted ways with eurasians atleast 60.000 years ago. some african groups are even smaller in size like the congonese pygmy tribes and like the super tall south sudanese people.
wich of our own species are subspecies or ecotypes?
fuck talking about black and white i wanna know about ecotypes and subspecies. not trynna divide just curious
Wow, type D is like a beluga orca.
I know right?!?!
new york post completely fails at science reporting? I am shocked!
Hahahaha right?!?!
I was today years old
This is fascinating! I had no idea that orcas were so diverse! That’s also the same strategy that is currently being used for the preservation of the endangered Chinese Alligator. They are currently being hybridized with the American Alligator as a means that if they go extinct in the wild at least there is this hybrid that we might be able to preserve the genes for. I’m curious, because my family asks me this all the time, are SUB-SPECIES the wild equivalent to BREED, in a similar explanation that EVOLUTION is Just the Wild version of DOMESTICATION?
I think they could be comparable yes! Interesting about the alligator
Also are you going to do a react to a sea world video?
@@miketufaro5915 I am planning one to Blackfish. What did you have in mind?
You said there was a lot that seaworld does wrong. I mean the penguin thing does make sense but what other things might they do better. Honestly I’m torn between keeping orcas in captivity. I mean if it’s done ethically, with the animals needs placed before profit, I personally don’t see anything wrong with it; but I’m quite ignorant on orcas. Besides their size what makes them different in captivity from any other Similar Mammal like a beluga, or maybe large walrus?
I live in Florida and have gone to sea world many times and want to be more informed about what I’ve seen there.
@@miketufaro5915 well I hope to go into more detail in videos. But I think they take amazing care of their animals. However, I think they should have been more open about goings on at the park and should have moved to more educational shows long ago
The fact that she has to reiterate that "they are animals just like you and me" shows how bad the education in the United States has gotten since I went to school.
I can believe it.
I literally squeed when you brought up the family mustelidae! They are my faves! I was the weird kid that loved badgers, since there were quite a few around my uncles farm. That's where the seed was planted for me. Have a small collection of mustelidae skulls (natural death harvested racoon, stoat, badger, river otter and black footed ferret. There's also a complete river otter skeleton that I've had my eye on for a few months). Yupp, the weird kid turned into a weird adult. 😆
I have 3 ferrets currently. Best animal group!
@@KPassionate I had a sweet lil albino ferret a while back. Fun lil fur slinky's!
Wow that sounds cool inhumane but cool
Can you also do a video on why it’s not a good idea to send Lolita back to the Salish Sea? She’s been retired from performing but I feel that there has been some back door lobbying from PETA at the USDA’s office to get her retired and the whale stadium closed where no one can see her and people in the park now have no idea she is even there. The people in these Facebook groups that have popped up have been pushing for a sea pen to be built and they are being encouraged to put pressure on the Dolphin Company to release her by The Lummi Nation, The Whale Sanctuary Project, and The Friends Of Lolita. As you’ve stated in one of your videos, the government makes these decisions. It is not up to animal rights groups to make these decisions. Lolita is 56 years old. Another tank would be a better option than a sea pen where she could be exposed to toxins in the water. I feel they are going to end up killing her like they did to Keiko. In the book Killing Keiko, the HSUS even hid his body under a tarp so people would not know he really died. The accepted claim is pneumonia but a necropsy was never performed and he was quickly and quietly buried I think to wash their hands of him and move on. Like “He’s dead, Oh well.”
I completely agree and have been researching for just such a video! Stay tuned.
KPassionate, thank you for responding! Petitions have also been popping up by the supporters of the groups I mentioned as a push for them to release her. You can’t just release a 56 year old animal back into the ocean and expect her to survive. Sure her tank is old and outdated, but she is perfectly healthy and she is fine where she is.
@@slaughterhater also it’s not as if it is their decision anyway. The government decides
The people pushing for Lolita to be released are even talking about shoving proposals in front of NOAA, NMSF, and the USDA hoping something will stick and they will get what they want. I think they are wanting to quickly and quietly move her out of her tank kind of like how Jesse, Randolph, Rae quickly and quietly moved Willy out of his tank and back into the ocean. I honestly think these people are falling for PETA’s lies thinking they are doing a good thing by trying to reunite Lolita with her pod. They don’t understand that this Free Willy logic of reuniting real long term captive orcas with their families will not work. Keiko is proof that releasing long term captive orcas back into the wild does not work and it will eventually kill them. The wild whales wanted nothing to do with Keiko. They couldn’t even find his real pod and Keiko also showed that a long term captive orca released into the wild can be a danger to the public by approaching boats and begging for food. These animal rights groups like PETA, the HSUS, the Whale Sanctuary Project, the Friends Of Lolita, Until Lolita is Home and The Dolphin Project often have hidden agendas and the people who follow these groups wouldn’t know that because they’re believing everything these groups are telling them. They all think Blackfish is the greatest documentary in the whole wide world and it’s not. It’s a propaganda film. They are using this film as a brainwashing tool and a recruitment tool. It is designed to make people so angry and disgusted that they will not go to another dolphin show. They are doing exactly what these groups want them to do and believing their lies. They think a seaside sanctuary will be a healthier environment but no one will be able to see the whales because they will be hidden from the public.
Is- wh- how does this exist?
Thanks for the video KP!
Btw is this video a sign that we are getting a blackfish review soon? 👀
Hahaha yes we are working towards it!
Didnt know there were so many different orca types.
i knew certain pods have different languages, but I thought that was it.
It’s pretty crazy!
You said "I cannot believe this is a real headline." And then used the same headline for your video. Making a video about Clickbate still feels like Clickbate.💯
You are not wrong lol
Dont forget about the orca pack off the coast of Cali that attacks and eats great white sharks.
next they'll crossbreed a koala and a walrus to make a koalrus
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5:48 not sure what is so wild about them they look like any other ecotype
They are extremely different if you know killer whales!
@@KPassionate GIRL! I know the ecotypes can be drastically different, but telling just from appearance I’m lost? Do the have a unique hunting strategy? My favorite are the Argentine type that synchronized with waves to effectively beach themselves and return to the water without getting stuck
@@theqdie the appearance is crazy! Very tiny eye patch and almost beluga like melon
Lets be fair, New York Post is just the National Enquirer with a bigger budget.
That’s true hahaha
“There's about as much educational benefit studying dolphins in captivity as there would be studying mankind by only observing prisoners held in solitary.” - jacques cousteau.
You can learn a lot about humanity studying prisoners in solitary, it isn't ethical nor does it give you the complete picture but you still can learn a lot.
You might be interested to know that literally the majority of what we know about physiology and cognition for bottlenose dolphins and killer whales came from zoological facilities.
hybrid orcas are a good thing, not a bad thing. hydridization is good, not bad.
As soon as you read that sensationalist headline, I assumed that Sea World had crossed a fish eating orca with an orca that eats marine mammals. But I had no idea that there are more than 2 different eco types. Fascinating. I always wondered how that worked, like socially, for them. There are photos and such of some fish eating orcas seemingly peacefully playing with dolphins in the wild. (Like bottle nose dolphins. I know orcas are considered big dolphins, and dolphins and whales are related.) Have those dolphins simply never encountered the orcas that would try to hunt them because of the differences in habitat/location? Would a fish eating orca be confused if it saw another orca trying to hunt dolphins? (This is an oddly specific question that delves more into behaviors and such, and I'm anthropomorphizing the orcas a lot, so I don't really expect an answer or anything.)
You know I’m not sure. It’s hard to speculate on how they would think or feel when seeing certain things. I think it’s interesting that, as far as I know, mammal eating orca have never hunted the fish eating kind.
Did not know nonhuman animals could have ethnicities 🤯
To further expand on your interesting thoughts here, I think it has more to do with the socialness of a species rather than "intelligence". Which is sort of a broad term that I’m not sure can be adequately measured. But yes orcas have a very complex social structure that has led to ecotypes and essentially culture! So cool
As always... quite informative! Thanks KP
Thanks for watching!
@@KPassionate I have my notifications set for when you come on, both here and on Twitch so I don't miss a thing! Love watching you as I have learned so much over the past year + miss you at Vanaqua, but I know you are MUCH better where you are! Keep up the great, informative videos you do!🥰🌹
I want to learn much more about those amazing animals, have you worked with orcas? I really find it interesting and always look forward to your new videos. Especially when you comment on those newsstories. Thank you!
I have worked with a false killer whale but never these guys. It is one of my dreams
I want to see orcas watching jurassic world lol 😆 😂 😅
Mustelids rule!!
Amen!
Your channel deserves more likes and views ! A breath of fresh air ! You are educated and talk in a way where it's easy to learn and understand! Thankyou
Awww thank you!
John Hargrove is a true menace I stg
Honestly tho…
they bred them to release them ?
No of course not.
@@KPassionate well you said the species had so few numbers in the wild so... what was the point of all of it ?
@@Sleeperdemon the point of them breeding them? I imagine to have more killer whales at the parks to continue to make money to fund all of their programs. Which do include research that helps their wild counterparts. I’m not sure I understand what you mean
@@KPassionate i've always been curious have there been any breeding programs to be soley release into the wild i couldn't find anything online besides releasing a couple of adults into the wild ...
@@Sleeperdemon it’s hard because captive bred animals aren’t usually good release candidates
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Welcome in! Thanks for watching!!!!
@@KPassionate we were spear fishing , and I actually had mine loaded my friend was so mad. But it was so murky that day I thought I was gonna die haha
People have to be aware of these creatures and without places like sea world I really doubt many would even give a shit
I became fascinated with marine life, and went to Miami zoo, which was ok... but then Miami seaquarium. The trainers took great care of the animals , the best they could. But the whale is sitting alone not allowed to perform or see people , and a dolphin recently attacked a trainee there, so they didn’t even have the kid swim with the dolphin . And then I dove into this crazy black hole of aquariums which are sad yes but it’s important to preserve these species. Just those tanks wayyyy too small. The dolphin enclosures are reasonable but don’t seem very deep
@@gptsiteuser I will do a video on Lolita soon. But Miami seaquarium is not an accredited facility and not the standard of care provided in most zoos and aquariums
I wanted wholphins...
People, no matter how intelligent, should never believe that nature, or what is considered natural, can be harnessed or controlled, without repercussions or consequences. Bottom line.. Dont Play God, or try to control Mother Nature...these are forces to be reckoned with!
Well thing is not gonna end well it didn’t for Jurassic World
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Great explanation, I'd never heard of ecotypes but this made the difference really clear
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it.
@@horse-lover68 I know KP that's the last thing she is, I suggest you go and look up the definition of Ecotype and then comment.
@@horse-lover68 are you suggesting a conspiracy theory that I am somehow paid by Seaworld? 😂
@@horse-lover68 lol thank you for the compliment on my appearance! I have been a marine biologist for 12 years. Thanks!
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Thank you. No, I did not know this.
Much awaited much appreciated excellent as always 👌
Many true hybrids are fertile.
Or, are you trying to say dromedary camels and llamas are the same species..
Hybrid fertility usually depends on the amount of chromosomes each parent species has. If they don't match up, the offspring will usually be infertile.
The New York post is owned by Murdock .
Mister Sensational .
Need I got in?
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Supurb explanation. Clickbait headline was ludicrous for those who have basic scientific knowledge
Your background music is pretty distracting
Unfortunately that is somewhat of a UA-cam problem. On some devices people can’t hear it at all and on some it is too loud
So it's a good thing in the end, twisted by some doughnut of a "journalist" for a headline. Any idea if different populations of orca actually interbreed in nature?
They tend not to simply because they are in different areas of the world typically. And there are some orca that probably should be considered different sub species. Like the mammal eating vs. fish eating varieties
@@KPassionate Got to say, cool to see the evolution in the real time like that.
@kpassionate that's not true at all. There are many places where several ecotypes exist very closely together and they don't interbreed or even interact (Pacific Northwest has Biggs, resident and offshore kw's, Antarctica has three or four VERY distinct ecotypes). It's certainly not a case of just not being in the same place at the same time and as some kind of expert you should know this. Orca 101.
@@jmccormack5708 you will notice I said Typically. Which is not an absolute. Also the types we are talking about in this conversation are the North Atlantic type 1 and the southern residents, which do not overlap naturally. You can conduct yourself respectfully in my comments or you will be removed. Thank you
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awesome information, as always... news platforms and their daft clickbait and false reporting is just so annoying.
i had forgotten there were so many different types - ecotypes. i enjoyed how you explained this all.
thanks for bringing us another important and informative video.
hope you're having a great weekend so far.
I’m so glad you liked it! I love how it turned out. Thanks for watching!
In Puget Sound where the Duwamish Waterway meets the Sound at Seattle it is VERY plausible sea otters and river otters could mate. It's not uncommon to see river otters in the salt water / brackish areas of Duwamish Head. Nor is it unheard of to see sea otters. Not saying the cross breeding has happened in the wild but in Seattle it is a distinct possibility.
Almost everywhere that sea otters exist river otters are also very common. It has never been recorded. So highly unlikely that it is possible since they have had thousands of years of opportunity
your click baiting aswell
Hahaha fair point!
I will have to listen to this several times to grasp all of it but super interesting. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I had not heard that there were only 74 southern resident killer whales left! And you are absolutely right that’s what should be newsworthy not totally insane crap like this!
Thanks for watching! There is a public comment period happening on potential legislation for whale watching near this endangered population. I’m hoping it goes well!
@@KPassionate you are quite welcome. I also have subscribed to your channel. I would like to thank you for replying to my comment. That means a lot to me I spend a lot of time making comments on the stuff I watch on UA-cam and you are the first creator who has done this and I think that’s really grand. I hope that the legislation is enacted and passed! Animals that are so critically endangered should be left alone by humans (except for efforts to rebuild populations). Given a wide berth to just be and repopulate. Thank you for your education on these subjects! Keep rockin’ the IMPORTANT content!
@@sarahsunshine8455 I spend hours responding to comments as I feel it adds a personal connection so I’m so happy to hear you appreciate it! I don’t always get to them all. But I certainly try! Welcome in.
@@KPassionate that’s awesome! It definitely adds to the you tube experience. Thank you for taking your time to do this. I’m really looking forward to watching more stuff. I think you are so informative and love the way you present your facts. I hope you have a lovely day 😊
Very informative and subject-related and science-based AND as objective as it could ever be. Love this video. Thank you. I feel criticism should also always match quality criteria like that to be valid, otherwise it is easily being taken down as an unqualified opinion. So, yeah, just please keep going on with your content. It’s great. Greets from Austria
Thank you so much! I’m so glad that you enjoyed it.
Great video! Very clearly explained and funny, of course.
Thank you!
Like jungle cats with domestic it not a house cat they take jungle caricature a panther domestic mix take panther caricature we baby sat one when I was a teen beautiful white cat bout size of medium dog vary muscler cat was always on a leash not allowed raw meat went wild got loose and was stalking children come home from school animal control was called I never heard what happened after that PS cat cost lots and the people had a special permit
Nope never heard of the southern resident killer whale.
That’s why I think these headlines are so ridiculous! We should be talking about the real issues!
That clip on the thumbnail is terrifying. I am personally TERRIFIED of Orcas, more so every day! (It doesn’t help that they are killing all the White Sharks off!!!)
Hahaha it’s some decent photo shopping!
Stupid sensationalist clickbait article! Ugh, some folks will write anything for views... I love how you explained this stuff though. Really refreshing my knowledge as a zoologist! Nice work
Thank you!
So,Why do you think Orca's Don't Attack or Eat Humans? Are we just not on the menu? Are they as curious about us as we are about them? Is it possible to befriend them on occasion!? Thanks!
Orcas have attacked humans in the wild and it is actually becoming increasingly more common. I think the only reason that it was fairly infrequent previously was because no one would dare get in the water with them. Now that people are getting reckless it will continue to escalate. As far as why they don't eat humans...all the different killer whale ecotypes seem very particular on their diets. Some only eating a particular type of salmon, even some that seem to prefer shark liver! So I think they imprint on their food very easily and exploring new food options is not necessarily in their nature.
@@KPassionate There's only been one documented attack. A surfer named Hans Kretschmer was bitten on the leg. You can actually swim with orcas in Norway and New Zealand. People do it often, and so far, there have been no incidents. That's not to say there won't be in the future. Orcas have been attacking boats in the Strait of Gibraltar. It's a relatively new phenomenon. Do you have an opinion on why they are doing that?
@@LadyOfTheLake77 if people continue to try to swim with these animals there will certainly be more attacks on humans. I speculate the attacks on boats could be due to frustration at being harassed by nearby boats or simple curiosity.
@@KPassionate It's risky, I agree. Just because they don't see us as food, that doesn't mean they wouldn't attack for some other reason. People need to leave wild animals alone.
@@LadyOfTheLake77 completely. Even if they just wanted to play with a human that would likely be deadly
So, for the sake of understanding terminology, are grizzlies and polar bears just different subspecies? The same would also apply to lions and tigers. Also, I've heard that sometimes mules are fertile - would that be considered different because it's uncommon?
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I worked at Sea World San Diego for 19 years. I am really glad you made this video explaining what really went on. Currently, they still have one of the offspring of the two echo types at the park. Her name is Orkid. Her father (Orky) was a southern resident type and her mother (Kandu) was a north Atlantic type 1. When they were still trying to breed Killer Whales, they tried numerous times to breed Orkid but for whatever reason, she was never able to get pregnant. She has a half-sister named Kayla who has had several calves. Same father, different mothers.
Her father was a Northern Resident, not a Southern Resident. What about Makani? He is half Argentinian Transient and half North Atlantic Type 1.