The irony about Lutzow is that at the time she was commissioned, she was the newest Battlecruiser built and she ended up sinking Invincible, the first battlecruiser ever built, which in return landed the hit that doomed Lutzow before she was sunk. So in one of the greatest ironies in human history, the world's first and latest battlecruisers sank each other in the same battle.
I really enjoy these videos. I've always wondered how much role luck, armour, gunnery, and crew training played in the loss or survival of capital ships of the battleship era. Lutzow's story is a good one.
My neighbor’s grand father was a engine room operator in the von der tann He survived but lost his left after a shell struck the engine room He lived to age 92 cool story
Her gunnery officer, Günther Paschen, was executed by the Nazis for voicing doubts about the Final Victory in 1944. Ironically he was the one who trained a new generation of gunnery officers that would serve on german capital ships in WW2.
Yes. Most of the larger ships sunk at Jutland have been found since the waters are relatively shallow. Delays in finding their final resting spots is mostly due to unpowered drifts and improvements to navigation since then.
I suspect the waters of the North Sea where they sank are pretty murky. I'm not sure why I think this, but I've never seen a lot of good wreck pics from these battles.
@ there have have been expeditions to survey some of yhe wrecks, and yes the water conditions arent great. And even here there has been some surreptitious salvaging. Nowhere on the scale of Indonesia but…..I bought a video done by a guy that specializes in sub wrecks that went to the North sea for these wrecks while it didnt show as much as Id like , it was fascinating. It was by Innes McCartney.
I have heard the story about those not being rescued before the ship was sunk by their on side. That is sad thing to hear, that they were to cold to try to save their own
Measuring "Winning" & "Losing" by losses is pointless. If that were the case Germany won the Battle of Kursk because they killed more Russian soldiers & destroyed more Russian tanks...... and don't even start on the whole Vietnam War. The fact is that ALL of the German War Aims for Jutland failed. All of them. On top of which they took far more damage to their own fleet than they had ever planned for & they were losses & damage that they could not easily replace. In the end that fleet that "Won At Jutland" sat in port, wasting away, taking up scarce resources of food & fuel for no purpose having failed to lift the Royal Navy blockade of Germany.
Good points here, but I think there may be some lessons not learned on the British side. The public outcry from not getting a clear-cut victory was loud and long. To me the admiralty did not learn the lesson that pitting battle cruiser design against a fully armored battleship is fatal. Case in point Hood vs Bismark. Hoods deck armor was not upgraded in the years between her completion and her final battle. Would it have made a difference? Maybe not, but not upgrading her considering her standing as the premier ship of the Royal Navy seems like a lesson of Jutland not learned. Poor ammunition and propellant storage was a major reason for British losses at Jutland, but they also recognized that plunging shellfire was a factor in damage and sinkings during the battles.
The aim of the imperial fleet was to fight smaller units of the Royal Navy. In the Battle of Jutland, the scale of the battle was a surprise to the High Seas Fleet and was not planned. The High Seas Fleet was aware of its inferiority to the Royal Navy and therefore had to avoid a battle with the entire Grand Fleet at all times. The High Command of the ‘Grand Fleet’ was informed about the departure of the High Seas Fleet from ‘Room 40’ and wanted to set a trap. The High Seas Fleet escaped this trap and inflicted twice as many losses on the Grand Fleet as it suffered itself. In addition, 177 shipwrecked British sailors were rescued and taken prisoner. This is the tactical victory of the ‘High Seas Fleet‘ in the ‘Battle of Jutland’ that cannot be argued away. On 19 August 1916, the ‘Grand Fleet’ and the ‘High Seas Fleet’ once again came within 30 nautical miles of each other, but this time there was no battle. Was this not mentioned by ‘Drachinifel’? These naval battles should not have taken place, that's the point. BTW: Grand Admiral Alfred von Tirpitz wanted to attack the Grand Fleet immediately in 1914 with the entire High Seas Fleet, regardless of losses. The Emperor had forbidden this plan. The powerful British naval construction programme of 1912 had not yet been implemented and the two fleets were still almost equally strong. An interesting scenario.
Basically HMS invincible sunk her, and queen Mary, disabled seydlitz, HMS thunderer could blown her out water, night action, seydlitz lucky, unfortunately Beatty was reckless, communication, was terrible Jellicoe took the flak, and was removed, Beatty shouldn't have been in charge, should been sturdy, although British light forces performed brilliantly, with valor, 6000 men to much and disaster, RN got smacked about, but was bigger man, and survived.
The irony about Lutzow is that at the time she was commissioned, she was the newest Battlecruiser built and she ended up sinking Invincible, the first battlecruiser ever built, which in return landed the hit that doomed Lutzow before she was sunk.
So in one of the greatest ironies in human history, the world's first and latest battlecruisers sank each other in the same battle.
My favorite WW1 warship! Thank you very much! :)
I really enjoy these videos. I've always wondered how much role luck, armour, gunnery, and crew training played in the loss or survival of capital ships of the battleship era. Lutzow's story is a good one.
Awesome video, thank you!
Thanks for the history lesson on Lutzow.
My neighbor’s grand father was a engine room operator in the von der tann
He survived but lost his left after a shell struck the engine room
He lived to age 92
cool story
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Her gunnery officer, Günther Paschen, was executed by the Nazis for voicing doubts about the Final Victory in 1944. Ironically he was the one who trained a new generation of gunnery officers that would serve on german capital ships in WW2.
I can recommend a visit to "sea war museum Jutland" in Denmark.
One of many unlucky German ship names
Has the wreck been found?
Yes. Most of the larger ships sunk at Jutland have been found since the waters are relatively shallow. Delays in finding their final resting spots is mostly due to unpowered drifts and improvements to navigation since then.
I suspect the waters of the North Sea where they sank are pretty murky. I'm not sure why I think this, but I've never seen a lot of good wreck pics from these battles.
@ there have have been expeditions to survey some of yhe wrecks, and yes the water conditions arent great. And even here there has been some surreptitious salvaging. Nowhere on the scale of Indonesia but…..I bought a video done by a guy that specializes in sub wrecks that went to the North sea for these wrecks while it didnt show as much as Id like , it was fascinating. It was by Innes McCartney.
Sailors trapped in the forward section of the ship were informed that they would not be rescued, and the ship would be scuttled.
I have heard the story about those not being rescued before the ship was sunk by their on side. That is sad thing to hear, that they were to cold to try to save their own
I thought the Lutzow survived the war?
And had 6 x 11" guns.
And...
... nevermind.
Measuring "Winning" & "Losing" by losses is pointless. If that were the case Germany won the Battle of Kursk because they killed more Russian soldiers & destroyed more Russian tanks...... and don't even start on the whole Vietnam War. The fact is that ALL of the German War Aims for Jutland failed. All of them. On top of which they took far more damage to their own fleet than they had ever planned for & they were losses & damage that they could not easily replace. In the end that fleet that "Won At Jutland" sat in port, wasting away, taking up scarce resources of food & fuel for no purpose having failed to lift the Royal Navy blockade of Germany.
Good points here, but I think there may be some lessons not learned on the British side. The public outcry from not getting a clear-cut victory was loud and long. To me the admiralty did not learn the lesson that pitting battle cruiser design against a fully armored battleship is fatal. Case in point Hood vs Bismark. Hoods deck armor was not upgraded in the years between her completion and her final battle. Would it have made a difference? Maybe not, but not upgrading her considering her standing as the premier ship of the Royal Navy seems like a lesson of Jutland not learned. Poor ammunition and propellant storage was a major reason for British losses at Jutland, but they also recognized that plunging shellfire was a factor in damage and sinkings during the battles.
The aim of the imperial fleet was to fight smaller units of the Royal Navy.
In the Battle of Jutland, the scale of the battle was a surprise to the High Seas Fleet and was not planned. The High Seas Fleet was aware of its inferiority to the Royal Navy and therefore had to avoid a battle with the entire Grand Fleet at all times.
The High Command of the ‘Grand Fleet’ was informed about the
departure of the High Seas Fleet from ‘Room 40’ and wanted to set a trap.
The High Seas Fleet escaped this trap and inflicted twice as many losses on the Grand Fleet as it suffered itself.
In addition, 177 shipwrecked British sailors were rescued and taken prisoner.
This is the tactical victory of the ‘High Seas Fleet‘ in the ‘Battle of Jutland’ that cannot be argued away.
On 19 August 1916, the ‘Grand Fleet’ and the ‘High Seas Fleet’ once again came within 30 nautical miles of each other, but this time there was no battle.
Was this not mentioned by ‘Drachinifel’?
These naval battles should not have taken place, that's the point.
BTW:
Grand Admiral Alfred von Tirpitz wanted to attack the Grand Fleet immediately in 1914 with the entire High Seas Fleet, regardless of losses.
The Emperor had forbidden this plan.
The powerful British naval construction programme of 1912
had not yet been implemented and the two fleets were still almost equally strong. An interesting scenario.
Harwich: It's pronounce Harich
Warspite's Plot Armor Manifesting
Basically HMS invincible sunk her, and queen Mary, disabled seydlitz, HMS thunderer could blown her out water, night action, seydlitz lucky, unfortunately Beatty was reckless, communication, was terrible Jellicoe took the flak, and was removed, Beatty shouldn't have been in charge, should been sturdy, although British light forces performed brilliantly, with valor, 6000 men to much and disaster, RN got smacked about, but was bigger man, and survived.
What a waste of Western European Economic Resources!
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