My DM was a little inexperienced and you should seen his face when he threw a giant creature at us (we were supposed to run I think) and I'm like okay I polymorph our dragonborn into a giant ape, he didn't believe I could do that since he thought it worked like wild shape ( must've seen a creature to turn into one) and we wrecked his encounter lol
Conjure Woodland Beings is freaking brutal. My players Druid would summon stags that would then charge in. A successful stag charge knocks people down, so the rest of the stag charges gained advantage and practically auto hit. He got crazy mileage out of that spell.
Yeah, 8 Pixies is insane. Our DM only allowed it in the event that we were nearing a team wipe, and even then, intelligent enemies would focus the druid to drop their concentration as soon as possible.
It's funny, DuelLogs was always my go-to for entertainment over D&DLogs, but now that I'm a 5eDM this channel is a treasure trove of digestible rules insights! Suddenly these vids makes tons of sense.
It also requires a vile of blood from a humanoid killed within the last 24 hours as a material component. They don't do a great job at making that clear.
@@SirStanleytheStumbler it doesn't actually consume the materials. You get extra benifits if you consume it but raw the spell doesn't consume the material component to activate.
Shadow of Moil is also great if you have an ally who has Shadow Blade, since the dim light/darkness gives the Shadow Blade user advantage on all of their attacks on enemies that are in dim light/darkness.
I mean, people talk about how great Greater invisibility is and Shadow of Moil is just a purely better (in all but a few niche situations) than it for same spell level. Invisibility in 5e is wonky, in many ways you aren't completely invisible. Sure, creatures can't target you with most targeted spells or counterspell you, but they still technically know where you're at, that's why they can still attack you with martial attacks and anything that doesn't say "A creature you can see". Shadow of Moil does that, gives you resistance to Radiant which is not great but free resistance, and you retaliate damage every time you're hit within 10 ft, plus the stuff you mentioned. The only thing better about Greater Invisibility is that more classes have access to it and you can target someone else which does have its uses I guess if you need to say turn your non caster invisible, but out of combat, regular invisibility is straight better most of the time.
An extra benefit of Dominate Beast is the fact that enemies who cast Polymorph become beasts for the duration, so even without beasts in the campaign there's a non-zero chance that you'll still end up fighting beasts.
storm sphere. i used it on my storm sorcerer and it allowed me to make a second firing point for ranged damage attacks. well also blocking off defending choke points on the map
Conjure minor elementals to summon Chwingas is literally the number one best 4th level spell. You can get conjure animals 3 times from one of the supernatural gifts, you can get 9 times deathward stacking. It's a lot. You can even get leomunds tiny hut and use it as a instant cast to castle the enemies in a choke.
Rather than holding them in place, Sickening Radiance works better if you can keep pushing them back in. They take the damage when they enter and then again on their turn.
As an aside, Raulothim's Psychic Lance also has the potential to incapacitate its target. Being incapacitated means a creature can't take actions or reactions, which can keep a single target exposed or unable to act each time they fail the save on it.
That seems awfully strong if it does that while also not needing line of sight by just naming the creature. Whether it's its actual name, apparently? Am I understanding this right? You don't need to know its "true name"? Or is he adding that
Yeah. He missed the best part of the spell. The fact that it incapacitates on an int save so most things will have a very hard time resisting. Especially since you can silvery barbs their roll if you really need them shut down.
Fabricate lets you make things out of raw materials, provided it's not too big and you have the necessary tool proficiencies. Under the right circumstances you can go pretty wild with what you can make with it. Summon Construct's stone form robs nearby enemies of their reactions and half their movement speed.
Our paladin always uses "Find Greater Steed" and will cast it again in the moment the horse dies. That horse became part of our group. His name is Juan. We all love Juan the horse
@@SirStanleytheStumbler Yes, actually as a joke our paladin summoned a dinosaur (i don't remember the exact name) and we still named it Juan. So Juan the horse was Juan the dinosaur for a day
Smal note on Find Greater Steed: The mount is explicitly player controlled. Choosing between controlled or uncontrolled mounted combat is only relevant when dealing actual animals. A paladin using this spell can have his mount permanently in "uncontrolled mode" and access the whole roster of actions of his mount without fearing it will suddenly run away in the face of danger.
Please continue to make these videos…they are educational and entertaining. I’m looking for your Top 10 5th Level Spells as well as your worst spells at all levels. (Your 3rd level worst spells video was great.)
It might be stupid but if you polymorth a creature into a scorpion and the druid cast giant insects does that allows you to turn a creature with a low CR into a cr 3 creature that fights with you?
For the psychic lance, I'm interested in why you mentioned "You don't need to say the creature's *true* *name* , just whatever their name is." What does that mean? It can be whatever I name them to be named, or moreso that anyone has ever named them to be? Or is it what my character has named them in his own mind? Are there spells/abilities that specifcy "true name" as opposed to just their name? I know fey and stuff will have things that deal with knowing their name and all that, but I don't remember it saying specifically *true* name. Just stuff basically saying it has to be their actual name, not like a nickname or some type of sobriquet
I pick both Fireball and Blight on any blaster caster I make, the former for AOE and the latter for single target. Unless the target is resistant or immune to necrotic damage (much rarer than fire) then Blight is extremely efficient at nuking a powerful enemy, if you roll high enough then you do even more damage than a 20th level fighter with 20 strength and a greatsword in a single round (assuming average damage)! If you spend all 3 of your 4th level slots on Blight then you deal a whopping 24d8 necrotic damage (if the target fails all 3 Con saves of course, which is far from guaranteed), that's 108 damage on average, 54 if the passed all 3 saves, which is nothing to sneeze at either! And of course, if you happen to be fighting plant creatures such as Treants, then this is the most optimal spell in the game to use against them since you'll be dealing a guaranteed 64 damage on a disadvantage save, which for 4th level is nuts. People sleep on Blight when they really shouldn't, it's the most efficient (meaning the lowest spell slot spent) single target nuke in the game.
With Greater Invis you can still get counterspelled by someone with truesight, but with Shadow of Moil, you can’t. Shadow of Moil is just better in combat, unless you care for not makijg too much “noise” on the battlefield
@@bleddynwolf8463 there is no raw determination of what comes out of this spell (aside from the extremely loose guidance of creature CR and numbers). Whenever the DM is in charge it literally becomes an invitation to houseruling. Even you outright banning pixies is a houserule...
Dominate beasts is a TERRIBLE spell! The duration is crap and what can you do with it?? If you use the beast in combat it gets a new saving throw every time it takes damage. Then you're fighting the beast again.
Conjure woodland beings not letting you choose is bullshit and always has been, if you use the same ruling for all instances of this wording you get some interesting artefacts that pop up, such as the fact that you can’t Choose the target of polymorph and several other similar spells
Summon Aberration and Dom Beast are far worse than Conjure Woodland (or Demon) and Freedom of Movement. Id also give a honourable mention to Guardian of Faith which is a effectively a single enemy but more reliable Vitriolic Sphere (as instant AOE/mook removal is covered far better by 3rd level slots).
Should just call it Giant Arthropod or invertibrate. Spiders, centipedes, scorpions etc are NOT insects... sigh. Guess I wish we could use proper terms... Also Poison vs Venom but DnD just Uses Poison for both to simplify... I digress.
Actually, Giant Spider (and Giant Arachnids on which Giant Spider was based on but on a lower level) were 2nd (and even 3rd) edition spells. The lore accurate name of the 5e 4th level spell is "Giant Vermin", which is accurate because all of the creatures it can transform into can be categorized as harmful for a dwelling place or notable disease vectors.
No summon greater demon? Yes, you get to pick the demon read the spell "You choose the demon’s type, which must be one of challenge rating 5 or lower, such as a shadow demon or a barlgura", and no its not unpredictable you know what the demon is going to do it says so in the spell "the demon spends its turns pursuing and attacking the nearest non-demons to the best of its ability" so you know what it's going to do, It's hands down one of the best 4th levels miles better than vitriolic sphere. others you forgot are freedom of movement, conjure woodland beings, death ward, stone shape, and sickening radiance. I can't believe you put dominate beast and vitriolic sphere on this list. Oh, and conjure minor elementals summoning 8 chawingas is also pretty good.
18:03 killer whales can breath air, that trait is for them to hold their breath underwater, making the whale an even better candidate for polymorph
Yeah, he sometimes is very odd.
Twin spelling 2 party members into giant apes at level 7 certainly pissed off my DM
My DM was a little inexperienced and you should seen his face when he threw a giant creature at us (we were supposed to run I think) and I'm like okay I polymorph our dragonborn into a giant ape, he didn't believe I could do that since he thought it worked like wild shape ( must've seen a creature to turn into one) and we wrecked his encounter lol
@@alexandrenineoclockgoudrea7482 try twinning it with a sorcerer. More bang for your buck plus a miserable DM. I feel bad for your DM 😂
Powerful and cool but not impossible to work around to keep it fun for everyone
@@seanhoedlmoser1739 added benefits include making the sorcerer the target of everything the dm has to break concentration
@@SirStanleytheStumbler that's why I only cast when there's another room I can bolt to and get full cover. Always ensure I can dash tf out of there
Conjure Woodland Beings is freaking brutal. My players Druid would summon stags that would then charge in. A successful stag charge knocks people down, so the rest of the stag charges gained advantage and practically auto hit. He got crazy mileage out of that spell.
You're *very* lucky that he hasn't summoned 8 Pixies. They're much worse (for anyone but the summoner)
Yeah, 8 Pixies is insane. Our DM only allowed it in the event that we were nearing a team wipe, and even then, intelligent enemies would focus the druid to drop their concentration as soon as possible.
As a dm seeing someone cast these spells. They would become target number if the enemy had any kind of intelligence.
ice storm might not have the same damage output as other 4th levels but that 300 ft range and difficult terrain effect comes in handy
It's funny, DuelLogs was always my go-to for entertainment over D&DLogs, but now that I'm a 5eDM this channel is a treasure trove of digestible rules insights! Suddenly these vids makes tons of sense.
Summon Greater Demon actually lets you choose which type of demon you summon, such as a Shadow Demon or a Barlgura.
Ya, I think he was thinking of summon lesser demons.
It also requires a vile of blood from a humanoid killed within the last 24 hours as a material component. They don't do a great job at making that clear.
@@SirStanleytheStumbler well cause it costs no gold you can cast it using a arcane focus instead.
@@nikeshmistry99 incorrect, the vile is consumed by the spell because you create a circle with it. Consumed components can't be ignored with a focus.
@@SirStanleytheStumbler it doesn't actually consume the materials. You get extra benifits if you consume it but raw the spell doesn't consume the material component to activate.
Shadow of Moil is also great if you have an ally who has Shadow Blade, since the dim light/darkness gives the Shadow Blade user advantage on all of their attacks on enemies that are in dim light/darkness.
hexblade warlock + bladesinger wizard combo?
@@menarg1549 If one player is the warlock and the other player is the bladesinger, it works. Both of those spells require concentration.
@@robertsilvermyst7325 yeah that's what i meant
I mean, people talk about how great Greater invisibility is and Shadow of Moil is just a purely better (in all but a few niche situations) than it for same spell level. Invisibility in 5e is wonky, in many ways you aren't completely invisible. Sure, creatures can't target you with most targeted spells or counterspell you, but they still technically know where you're at, that's why they can still attack you with martial attacks and anything that doesn't say "A creature you can see". Shadow of Moil does that, gives you resistance to Radiant which is not great but free resistance, and you retaliate damage every time you're hit within 10 ft, plus the stuff you mentioned. The only thing better about Greater Invisibility is that more classes have access to it and you can target someone else which does have its uses I guess if you need to say turn your non caster invisible, but out of combat, regular invisibility is straight better most of the time.
An extra benefit of Dominate Beast is the fact that enemies who cast Polymorph become beasts for the duration, so even without beasts in the campaign there's a non-zero chance that you'll still end up fighting beasts.
The cleric casts holy weapon on the monk and i cast polymorph on the monk and transform them into a holy giant monkey with kung fu.
storm sphere. i used it on my storm sorcerer and it allowed me to make a second firing point for ranged damage attacks. well also blocking off defending choke points on the map
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Conjure minor elementals to summon Chwingas is literally the number one best 4th level spell.
You can get conjure animals 3 times from one of the supernatural gifts, you can get 9 times deathward stacking. It's a lot.
You can even get leomunds tiny hut and use it as a instant cast to castle the enemies in a choke.
You cant summon cr0 creatures. So you cant summon chwingas RAW
Rather than holding them in place, Sickening Radiance works better if you can keep pushing them back in. They take the damage when they enter and then again on their turn.
Shout out to the spell Divination, an amazing spell for getting plot tips.
As an aside, Raulothim's Psychic Lance also has the potential to incapacitate its target. Being incapacitated means a creature can't take actions or reactions, which can keep a single target exposed or unable to act each time they fail the save on it.
That seems awfully strong if it does that while also not needing line of sight by just naming the creature. Whether it's its actual name, apparently? Am I understanding this right? You don't need to know its "true name"? Or is he adding that
and it's an INT save. a brutal spell
Yeah. He missed the best part of the spell. The fact that it incapacitates on an int save so most things will have a very hard time resisting. Especially since you can silvery barbs their roll if you really need them shut down.
Fabricate lets you make things out of raw materials, provided it's not too big and you have the necessary tool proficiencies. Under the right circumstances you can go pretty wild with what you can make with it.
Summon Construct's stone form robs nearby enemies of their reactions and half their movement speed.
Love the video! Whales can breathe on land, so it's even better!
Our paladin always uses "Find Greater Steed" and will cast it again in the moment the horse dies. That horse became part of our group. His name is Juan. We all love Juan the horse
It can be a lot more then a horse
@@SirStanleytheStumbler Yes, actually as a joke our paladin summoned a dinosaur (i don't remember the exact name) and we still named it Juan. So Juan the horse was Juan the dinosaur for a day
You sound EXACTLY like one of the members of Hermitcraft
U safe my days pls never stop making videos
the additional damage of vitriolic sphere is 5d4 not like you said 5d6 :)
Me and my party got level 7 yesterday so great timing on this video lol
Smal note on Find Greater Steed: The mount is explicitly player controlled.
Choosing between controlled or uncontrolled mounted combat is only relevant when dealing actual animals.
A paladin using this spell can have his mount permanently in "uncontrolled mode" and access the whole roster of actions of his mount without fearing it will suddenly run away in the face of danger.
Please continue to make these videos…they are educational and entertaining. I’m looking for your Top 10 5th Level Spells as well as your worst spells at all levels. (Your 3rd level worst spells video was great.)
Love your videos! DO you think you would be able to do a Top 10 Cursed Items video?
It might be stupid but if you polymorth a creature into a scorpion and the druid cast giant insects does that allows you to turn a creature with a low CR into a cr 3 creature that fights with you?
I came from your yugioh vids, I’m so excited to binge all your dnd top tens!
Dont forget that, iirc, psychic lance incapacitates as well. So it has alot more use rather than just straight damage
that targets an INT save, great spell
Your DM does not choose your conjured creatures with Conjure Spells. That was a RAI patch to curb the power of those spells.
Really no Evard's Black Tentacles? A really good crowd control spell.
Is dimension door a way to escape prismatic wall?
For the psychic lance, I'm interested in why you mentioned "You don't need to say the creature's *true* *name* , just whatever their name is." What does that mean? It can be whatever I name them to be named, or moreso that anyone has ever named them to be? Or is it what my character has named them in his own mind?
Are there spells/abilities that specifcy "true name" as opposed to just their name? I know fey and stuff will have things that deal with knowing their name and all that, but I don't remember it saying specifically *true* name. Just stuff basically saying it has to be their actual name, not like a nickname or some type of sobriquet
I pick both Fireball and Blight on any blaster caster I make, the former for AOE and the latter for single target. Unless the target is resistant or immune to necrotic damage (much rarer than fire) then Blight is extremely efficient at nuking a powerful enemy, if you roll high enough then you do even more damage than a 20th level fighter with 20 strength and a greatsword in a single round (assuming average damage)!
If you spend all 3 of your 4th level slots on Blight then you deal a whopping 24d8 necrotic damage (if the target fails all 3 Con saves of course, which is far from guaranteed), that's 108 damage on average, 54 if the passed all 3 saves, which is nothing to sneeze at either!
And of course, if you happen to be fighting plant creatures such as Treants, then this is the most optimal spell in the game to use against them since you'll be dealing a guaranteed 64 damage on a disadvantage save, which for 4th level is nuts.
People sleep on Blight when they really shouldn't, it's the most efficient (meaning the lowest spell slot spent) single target nuke in the game.
Dimension door is the best utility when you play a vampire sorcerer, charm, teleport, feast, repeat
Very surprised Divination didn’t make the list.
Do you have another channel focused on WoW lore, or something? Your voice sounds very familiar.
Two days too late, but I appreciate the info.
I'm only here to make sure Raulothim's Psychic Lance was on the list.
I'm not sure why you didn't also say that if a creature fails its INT save with the psychic lance they become incapacitated
When we get the mythical 8th level spells imma comment all top 10 spells per level there
Please Mr. Logs, do a homebrew items review! It would be so much fun to see your opinions on stuff people send you!
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It’s 5d4, not 5d6.
With Greater Invis you can still get counterspelled by someone with truesight, but with Shadow of Moil, you can’t. Shadow of Moil is just better in combat, unless you care for not makijg too much “noise” on the battlefield
Summon greater demon let’s you choose the type… says right in description. Explain how you don’t get to choose?
Wait, you have polymorph but not conjure woodland beings? If you get pixies with that spell you get 8 polymorphs for the cost of one 4th level spell
yeah, but you don't control whats conjured, no sane dm would do that
@@bleddynwolf8463 no i use a table for the summon that my player rolls on and well pixies do happen
@@haerdalis84 well i was speaking in raw terms, don't assume your homebrew applies to others
@@bleddynwolf8463 there is no raw determination of what comes out of this spell (aside from the extremely loose guidance of creature CR and numbers). Whenever the DM is in charge it literally becomes an invitation to houseruling. Even you outright banning pixies is a houserule...
@@haerdalis84 there is raw, sage advice litteraly states the dm chooses
I hope my satyr is never hit by banishment by accident. they will be gone for a while. xD
That assumes your Satyr isn't "native" if you spend enough time in a plane who says it doesn't become your new home.
i like turning things into sloths or roctopus. stench cow in the middle of a group is a nice f u distraction. or poly your familiar.
Dominate beasts is a TERRIBLE spell! The duration is crap and what can you do with it?? If you use the beast in combat it gets a new saving throw every time it takes damage. Then you're fighting the beast again.
Conjure woodland beings not letting you choose is bullshit and always has been, if you use the same ruling for all instances of this wording you get some interesting artefacts that pop up, such as the fact that you can’t Choose the target of polymorph and several other similar spells
Summon Aberration and Dom Beast are far worse than Conjure Woodland (or Demon) and Freedom of Movement.
Id also give a honourable mention to Guardian of Faith which is a effectively a single enemy but more reliable Vitriolic Sphere (as instant AOE/mook removal is covered far better by 3rd level slots).
Should just call it Giant Arthropod or invertibrate. Spiders, centipedes, scorpions etc are NOT insects... sigh. Guess I wish we could use proper terms...
Also Poison vs Venom but DnD just Uses Poison for both to simplify...
I digress.
Actually, Giant Spider (and Giant Arachnids on which Giant Spider was based on but on a lower level) were 2nd (and even 3rd) edition spells.
The lore accurate name of the 5e 4th level spell is "Giant Vermin", which is accurate because all of the creatures it can transform into can be categorized as harmful for a dwelling place or notable disease vectors.
No summon greater demon? Yes, you get to pick the demon read the spell "You choose the demon’s type, which must be one of challenge rating 5 or lower, such as a shadow demon or a barlgura", and no its not unpredictable you know what the demon is going to do it says so in the spell "the demon spends its turns pursuing and attacking the nearest non-demons to the best of its ability" so you know what it's going to do, It's hands down one of the best 4th levels miles better than vitriolic sphere.
others you forgot are freedom of movement, conjure woodland beings, death ward, stone shape, and sickening radiance. I can't believe you put dominate beast and vitriolic sphere on this list.
Oh, and conjure minor elementals summoning 8 chawingas is also pretty good.
Vitriolic Sphere can be good against a tharrasce but yes those spells you put are much better.
@@thetruezonein there's nothing vitriolic sphere can do to a Tarrasque that sickening radiance can't do better.
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If you're clearing dungeons in an hour, they're some lame dungeons
Anything that just makes a creature just disappear off the map is boring, anti climatic lameness!
Shadow of moil sucks because any creature with darkvision automatically negates its effect.
Wrong! Only creatures with true sight, blindsight, or tremor sense. It literally says you are heavily obscured. Lol tf
i feel ashamed that haste isnt on this list
Imagine that, a third level spell isn't listed on a top ten fourth level spell list.....