Should You Get This INSTEAD Of Winnebago EKKO? 2022 AEONrv AWD Ford Transit Class B Plus
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- AEON RV, a new camper company in Reno is building a 4-season off-grid class B Plus RV on the Ford Transit 350 chassis. How does this compact Class C RV expedition motorhome compare to the popular Winnebago Ekko?
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0:00 Intro
1:45 Ford Transit 350
3:03 Battle Born Lithium Battery
7:23 Van Compass Lift Kit
8:51 Fresh Water Capacity
9:48 Gear Garage
11:47 Tow Capacity
14:57 Driver Cab
19:50 Cost
17:24 Entry/Bathroom
19:31 Fridge/Freezer
22:57 Battery Compartment
26:57 Kitchen
29:59 Dinette Bed Conversion
31:34 Bedroom - Авто та транспорт
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This is a nice design. I think this will 🎉check many boxes for travelers.
This is a neat rig, but the "normalization" of the over-$200K price tag on these vans is not a good sign.
Based on our purchasing of hundreds of thousands of dollars of components in the last year real world inflation is running about 20% so there is that, Ford raised Transit chassis costs over 15% from 2022 to 2023.
Yea all these awd and 4x4 new vehicles…
Can’t find them and if you can cost arm and a leg esp the benz
Agree. You can buy the biggest, tallest, longest AWD, DRW Transit with 10K gvw, brand new, for about $60. So the box is $140K?!?
@@Searey07 There is well over $100k in just component costs in this build and that is at mfr wholesale pricing, not what any individual could buy these components for. Then factor in the design, engineering, and testing to build a commercial RV. Then factor in the labor costs, G&A, S&M and finally some profit and you will easily get to $200k. As I said in an earlier post, we are seeing real inflationary costs at about 20% YoY.
@@jimritchie8966 Ok then before inflation it still would have cost 166K. That’s still ridiculous. This supposed to be a reasonable affordable lifestyle. $166k would be cheap for a house, this is not a house it’s a van, that’s way too expensive. There are nice builds that you see here for 50k with a shower and toilet.
No swoopy paint job, love that. Also taking full advantage of a state of the art PV system, propane is SO 20 th century!
I've been playing close attention to off-road capable van-sized rigs the last couple years and this is #1 on my wish list. I love the design, efficient use of space, large fridge, separate living spaces, and off-road chops.
I'm rooting for their success and wish them the best!
Off road capability is subjective...
@@2fuzy yeah I think that low mounted gray water tank would have some objections to offroad
@@taylorhickman84 well I wouldn't want it that low but if ones Idea is gravel road probably fine if it is the Rubicon not so much
For the price, I'd expect leather diamond stitching on All seats, a convection oven microwave and a better fridge. Oh, and a screen or screen door to the "mud room" side door.
As a long time camper I am actually impressed. Very well designed and not a bad price.
I toured that Camper at Expo East and met and talked to the owners and developers.
Very knowledgeable guy and I was more than impressed.
That door is amazing for the cab to the box because it also quiets the cabin while driving
Never been a fan of the bathroom and the entrance being one and the same. But, it definitely works with this build. Great stuff.
Saw this once in a custom build on UA-cam. Brilliant DIY designer , there’s pros and cons but the pros out weight the cons in sense of preserving Spence. Especially because a lot of these spaces end up being storage when they aren’t laid out as entrance/bathroom. Overall this rig is probably THE best way for someone to start out.
I watched the video straight through but kudos to Lola for that awesome chapters menu thing…first time I’ve ever seen something like that!
Thanks Martin...our younger son actually put us on to that and Lola has been doing a lot of work to update all the videos to it
Enjoyed the presentation Hank!
Just my opinion, but from some respects, doesn’t seem a fair comparison.
Ekko: Mass produced, consumer-grade offering, sold & serviced through dealership network. Aeon: Custom-tuned suspension beneath a boutique RV sold & serviced factory direct by pair of dedicated over landing enthusiasts whose self-designed/built rig …sparked retail demand.
Frequent FB posts by concerned Ekko owners, reminds one of the ‘inherent compromise’ and ‘lowered expectations’ they are being prompted to accept, as ‘terms of service’ of a mass produced consumer-grade RV.
Interesting that many of the same folks whom balk at the added expense of the Aeon, (over their mass produced consumer-grade RV) …are also among those expressing profound disappointment/disillusionment in their RV purchase.
Sadly, Ekko owners whom have been ‘too forthright and transparent’ in expressing their disappointments …have had their FB posts censored, deleted entirely or been membership-banned, because their ownership experiences weren’t ‘encouraging’. (NOT the way to build consumer advocacy traction …to compel product improvements)
The go-to rationalization (excuses) for poor QC in a $145K+ RV, is often provided by recounting the ‘bad old days’ of RV production ‘standards’, (stapled particle board cabinetry, delaminated exterior walls).
Dealers (and some owners) expect that prospective buyers should be ‘encouraged’ by citing ‘the great progress in manufacturing being made’ …while repeating the irresponsibly worn out cliché; “An RV going down the road …is essentially, a house exposed to a continuous earthquake”, (I can’t help but wonder; “Did the CEO of an RV manufacturer, invent that phrase?”)
Does this line of thinking exist anywhere else? Do small marine and aircraft manufacturers use similar justification for poor durability? “Well, it’s essentially a house in a continuous typhoon/tornado …sooo”
Where else does one find the consumer being lectured (after purchase) of the proceed-at-own-risk ‘DIY nature’ of their $145K+ investment? Or, “It’s simply a LUXURY purchase …of course it’s NOT expected to perform commensurate to it’s price!”
The “house in a continuous earthquake” analogy seems to ‘provide cover to manufacturers’ (and the ‘sunken expense’ rationale by owners) which allows QC to remain dismal …while consumers reluctantly tolerate pitiful durability (with rapid depreciation).
"The “house in a continuous earthquake” analogy seems to ‘provide cover to manufacturers’"
As a designer/fabricator/builder from the tradeshow industry, knowing this would cause me to step up my build standards, not downgrade my warranty policy.
I love the innovation in this rig, great job! I do prefer the dual single bed design of the EKKO, I hope they offer multiple floor plans in the future.
As always, Hank and Lola first on the scene to show a new rig. This looks good! I have a Beyond like you (mine is a 2021D Li3) and love it! But this is a nice option if we ever decide to go bigger.
The mini split should be the industry standard from here on out. Period
They are not designed for that, but time will tell
Overall nice RV , two things I don’t like is price & bed , would prefer twin beds or bed set up so you don’t have to climb over your mate to use the bathroom.
The trade off is the lounge you get, which the Ekko loses because of its twin beds. I like that this floorplan is out there available. Agree on price though!
yeah that's always a trade off in this layout...whoever used the bathroom most needs to sleep on the outside 😀
@@cmharris67
What is the price?
$189,000
@@annettepara2899
I M $188,999 short of buying that RV
Well if I had $200k, and I don't, I'd take this any day over a similar-priced Sprinter.
The proof of value is in longevity of construction…we’ll see.
I’ve been RVing since the early 1970’s and one consistent fact is every one I’ve owned was a poorly constructed over priced shiny turd. I’ve owned 9.
this would be a game changer for cooling here in Australia in high humidity areas! Great motorhome, love it!
Thanks Gaye, appreciate you watching
Love this van and the set up. So much more practical and would be perfect.
Great tour. Thanks!
That shower handle reaching outside would have been handy if one of these was at Burning Man this year. Using a mini split for HVAC, as compared to a rooftop conventional unit, also lowers the height and lessens the aero drag.
But they mounted it at the very back, in the sleeping area.
THAT'S SILLY!
By not being central, it's be cold back there and hot up front.
These companies that make these splits should realize that there's a good market now for RVs and have a special RV type where the external part can be mounted at the rear, like this, and the inside part can be mounted dead center and the shroud designed similar to the usual AC units where the controls are on that part and it blows cool air out of both sides.
It's not that difficult to design a unit like that. It's literally just reconfiguring the layout of it.
I'm sorry, but this "RV" is horrible.
The shower would have been a great demo had one of these been mired at the mud of 2023 Burning Man. But alas, the mud couldn’t keep it down. An AeonRV was the first (only?) vehicle to get out without getting stranded. From what i heard it was still challenging and more than a foot deep in places, but it soldiered through.
Lots of really well thought out details. Hope you sell a bunch of them.
Very nice! Thanks for sharing!
YW thanks StumpRider
Amazing rig. Good use of space. The storage capacity is remarkable.
I like it, especially being in Canada where I would stick to the warmer west coast but could handle winter if needed. I like the bathroom placement and could live with the bed , climbing over wife lol. I always look for a spot for washer / dryer lol, perhaps in tool garage?
Brilliant idea making the entrance as the bathroom ❤️
Cool, a bumper, I was waiting for that to be shown on one of these videos. I think in the last one I watched they talked about it coming soon.
Awesome Video!
That is a quality well thought out build...just wish I had the cash for that...but if I ever do I will def talk to this builder...SMART!
Very thorough and I really appreciate it. I’m in Japan so our CamRoad layouts are different but it’s giving me lots of ideas.
Glad it was helpful!
+1. Very nice rig/build. What is the GVRW of this very Ford chassis?
Hello ..Hank and Lola 🤗
This is pretty.. awsome!!! 👍
Thank you both .. for sharing ..
😊😁
Hey Diane, thanks for always supporting us 😄
Love it. Being on a Ford 4x chassis makes it even more appealing.
It's really great. My husband & I love it!❤️☺️❤️
Great use of space. Super, well built.
Great video! I love the host and dialog. Killer cool build. I wish it wasn't closing in on/passing 200k.
Thank you!
Boats call that a wet closet. To hang wet gear so you dont bring it in. And it drains out.
Love this layout!
The person that makes a rechargeable induction stove would be immortal in the nomad community. It charges while you drive so you save energy while you are parked.
Very thorough and complete review, thank you! I'm loving the improvements; chassis and body now the perfect shade of gray (in my humble opinion), the amount of batteries and solar available, the skylight in the bedroom and giving access to the roof, the smaller exterior of the mini-split, the command tracks on the back of the rig, I think the pantry is larger or maybe it impressed me all over again, I love the insulated door closing off the cab and I love the ground clearance under the rig! Still issues for me: First - the bedroom seems awkward to crawl around in so I still prefer twin beds but I think that's because I like to eat in bed and there's no place to sit my snacks down. Second - the Nautilus toilet/shower door is too see-through to be so close to the dinette 🙈, it would be weird if you had a visitor and one of you needed to use the restroom. Overall, I really love where this rig is heading. I'm sure it's already perfect for a lot of people. The Hymer Venture S put on an AWD Ford chassis would be my dream rig 😍
YW & Very cool summation Amira, thanks for taking the time...and yeah I really like the "Avalanche Gray"
What’s with the love of fugly gray everyone?????
Gee wiz, use wide angle! Its hard to see d space with d focused view.
Interesting set up. I like to use of all the corners for storage and that blocked off garage that is heat controlled is very smart.
I think this is a great take on the Mini-Earthroamer idea Cujo and yeah very well thought out
@@strangerpalooza part of me thinks it should of had a 3 axle where the garage is but yes definitely mini earthroamer.
Good through questions more tech savvy..... a very practical product
This 1 is like a top contender for my business!
Awesome, thanks for watching Source
I love this coach. I want one. Thank you. Can the bed be made like the lesure travel van. Twin beds come together as a big bed. The bed split back into a twin bed easier to get out of bed. Ive got hip and back problems. The stairs is dangerous for me. The stairs is perfect for storage. This would be the only problem for me and my husband. Love it. Everything of this unit. Wowwwwwww.
What an incredible RV. Well thought out, and a brilliant design. I'll definitely be checking it out
I luv your collection. I’ve been owner of a cpl original Blazer s when the whole top comes off, but couldn’t afford the factory camper but I’ve not seen any in your collection yet. Any still on the market occasionally?
Would it be difficult sleeping under that mini-split? It seems like you'd be sooooo cold or too hot if you're running it while sleeping.
Perfect for my urban rv life
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Really like the outside table
Nice set up. Has a little box truck feel. Tons of room on the inside.
Yeah it’s kinda cool…in a mini EarthRoamer way
I was sold up until the East-West bed configuration. Unfortunately, someone having to climb over the other just doesn't work for us.
This is great bang for the buck!
Wow, that is awesome.
Thank You Bryan
👍 price is isn't bad and i like the layout
Appears to be a bit more premium than the Ekko at around the same price-point. I also think the interior storage layout is better in the AEON, and while I do like the Ekko's trick toilet / shower, all in all I would prefer this rig.
If i were to get one i get dual wheels, in a pinch you can use one for spare, plus the load and stability. Plus a small inverter generator.. would like more info on its mounts to frame.
Skylight above door would be nice for open air feel
I love this
Best video to date! When you’re not with nick a lot more gets accomplished 👍😂 37:13
Awesome rig
Nice unit!! Is there a place in the sleeping area for a C-Pap machine and plug ins both for the C-pap and I pad / I phone when you use the area to read or chill out?
Great question! I would certainly need an outlet for my machine. There were outlets in the bed area.
Interesting rig, that dinette looks very uncomfortable and homemade. I have yet to find a RV dinette that is comfortable. I would prefer a couch...
Don't listen to the naysayers...this thing is outstanding! I have a newer Hallmark Nevada flatbed on an F-350 and the total cost of my rig was 130 thousand. It has solar, but nowhere near the power of this van. In regards to your price...I don't think people understand just how expensive the structure is, especially built with such burly insulation. Not to mention the cost of all that power. It's an excellent design and I wouldn't be concerned about the price. I also have a Transit work van with the Ecoboost and the power is amazing. I must admit though...I know absolutely nothing about the rigs this is competing with.
insane price--my 4 door F-350,4 wh dr,like new, with full self contain camper,with built in gen set and solar, bought both for 33k total--the price on everything is coming way down on used stuff--nevada where i live you pay no sales tax either on private party sales--this is a shoe box for 200k,crazy
31000⁰ farri lamghiñí
200 k ? Not for the average American, get a coachman 20 x , I’ve seen brand new for 79 k
Awesome.
I wonder how many miles per gallon this thing gets.
Very nice and IMO, much better than the Ekko.
Or how many gallons per mile. LOL
😅😂🤣
Very interesting. Is an awning available? I am concerned about the air being right by the bed, understanding you can direct it so it isn't blowing directly on you. Bathroom placement is interesting and creative double use of space, but for privacy there's no coming or going when someone is on the john. Bed are looked nice, but is there an obvious place for a CPAP?
You could still come and go easily via the cab, if the bathroom was in use?
This is a solid concept and looks to be more 4 season capable than the Ekko. The walkthrough bathroom is an interesting design idea..
Yes, the entrance bathroom is a great way to maximize space in this build.
I like this one.
Thank You Vanessa
How do you keep the wet room entry from icing over in cold weather?
Looks very home made
Pros: fridge, bath, insulation and gear garage and All Electric! Cons: Price, lack of galley counter space and HATE the split system outside unit, no awning or outside outlets. Overall pretty good but it really needs some esthetic improvement. Maybe a bulkhead over the cab for storage and to streamline the look. Good luck with future efforts!
Very unique layout, not for one that is claustrophobic. Love the use of the heat pump but when driving on dirt roads or dusty enviroments how will the accumulation of dust in the unit affect it 's performance ?
Hmm good question...
We’ve been testing on dusty roads in Reno for over a year with no issues, also far enough off the ground dust while driving does not come near the unit, finally it would be easy to add a dust cover if you were really worried but we don’t think it is necessary
Interesting unit 🤔 although I think it would be weird coming into the unit through the bathroom lol and twin beds would be better 😉 but the heat pump is a bit odd! You would freeze when sleeping if you had it on! And keeping it running on the batteries would be a stretch other than that it might be a good unit...
You can set the temp of the heat pump so you never freeze, also it is louvered so you can adjust the airflow to pass over you while sleeping. We run the AC off batteries for days at a time. We'll be posting more data on this on our blog in the near future.
Will there be a 2 twin bed option?
Awesome tour, love this rig! But too pricey...😮
box for Ford okay... self - Note . I hit like.. check battle born😛✨️
Compare this Aeon RV to the "B Box " Campers, built also on cutaway chassis when vans were unavailable.
For that price I would go to Coachhouse built in Fl
They’re nicer for around the same price
very cool
With the powerboost engine , this would be a game changer
yes fule efeçr engime
would be great on top of a Canoo!
Nice vehicle, but under the car everything is way too low to do some serious off-roading ! Greetings from the Netherlands
Very unique alternative to the Ekko. But I have to say I like my Ekko better.
If we were younger, this might work for my wife and I. But the differences are not enough for me to want to spend the extra money . . . If you have the money and want to spend it, then maybe this is the RV for you.
Thanks for the video!
How much does the setup weigh? Gas mileage?
8500lbs with.31G gas , 11-13mpg
@@jimritchie8966 Nice work! Thanks
If we get to Reno we’ll stop in..
We live in Santa Cruz
@@bobbysnow5478 Sounds great, just let us know when you want to visit.
good price for a very utility style van
I see on the website there is some kind of funny 'pre-order' deposit with a final price tag of $219,500. No way Jose.
It's nice but $190K is ridiculous.
I like it more than our Ekko, but we purchased new Ekko for $130k because they sell so much cheaper than MSRP. This one out of the door is $200k. They really are not in the same category, and unfortunately wasn’t within our budget ….
I’ll be happy to take yours lol
insane price--my 4 door F-350,4 wh dr,like new, with full self contain camper,with gen set, bought both for 33k total--the price on everything is coming way down on used stuff--nevada where i live you pay no sales tax either on private party sales--this is a shoe box for 200k,crazy
Why does it look so much smaller than the Ekko? Aren't they the same length?
how much is this setup?
There a big heat exchanger box 🤔
Where is the bathroom?
how much?
Nice rig, ticks a lot of boxes when comparing to a Class B cargo van Transit/Sprinter builds.
Pros being:
1) 50+ gal fresh
2) Usable dinette
3) Open layout with shower/toilet relocated to entryway (but see cons below)
4) Slider door to shut off cab from unwanted heat/cold + avoids installing window shades in cab.
5) Larger fridge
6) Ample storage, pantry etc
7) Dedicated garage where bikes can be safety stored/hidden
Challenges I see or want more information:
1) Build construction, does it LEAK, that's always a big concern when compared to a regular Transit/Sprinter cargo van build from factory.
2) Everything is GLUED, concerned about the box/cab join with movement overtime, will that seam fail?
3) Cabinets glued in place, not seen this before, concerns about failures
4) Batteries should be upgraded to UL certified Lithionics or the Gamerchanger (not a big issue)
5) Will the mini split handle the rigors of "earthquakes" while driving. This is not their intended use!
6) Now the elephant in the room, it's a double-edged sword THAT ENTRY Shower/toilet!! Not sure I can get over that, having to look at the toilet all the time. Would be nice to have something to hide it away better than a messy shower curtain. Perhaps add a roll down rugged curtain, similar to what Outside Van use in their show box.
7) Please offer dinette seat cushion color options, black is a bit "harsh" and takes a way for the clean loft/like vibe.
Looking forward to seeing in-person.
I'm with you, on face value I think the bathroom location is poorly chosen. It's an efficient use of space, but think putting the bathroom in the most heavily trafficked area of the van is not a good idea.
@@taylorhickman84 It's all about trade-offs. Considering what you get in the main living space of the rig by moving the toilet/shower and framing that area in your mind/marketing as a "mudroom" kind of makes this work!
Is the cassette toilet opening on the passenger side behind the door?
I believe so, the entry door is blocking that in the video, however that’s where the toilet is
Yes and we also offer a urine separate one toilet as an option
Nice but price is silly
R15 and code on a home in most states is R14 in walls.
Awesome rig! What's the length? Looks around 20 feet.
It's 22 feet. Heard it at 8:30.
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