Watch it again Vernon actually ended his speech and then gyu continued I know he has habit of talking but I have never heard him cutting anyone@@fonzymae
Ikr despite being so goofy , I find that they are really very good at logical reasoning When they gave their stance, each of them had a unique and different opinion. It's always so interesting that it makes me want to join them
i think they kinda addressed that point already though. like, if you are able to reminisce about something and it makes you feel happy, it means that you are happy then, you just don't realize it. its really about the ability to be able to recognize and feel happiness like the8 said. if that memory makes you feel miserable and you dont have any moments of happiness then, you wouldnt even long for it... this ep is so good tho im so glad hao ate
Haha ikr? But I'm glad the editors didn't write 12 men, cuz that would feel weird now that we are so used to 13...even in Nana tour members weren't used to being 12...❤
China line really shined in these episodes but I wanna give appreciation to Vernon as well. He's usually incredibly quiet in a lot of contents but I feel like this format was able to show how beautiful and smart his mind truly is. Every argument that he made was always logical (not too swayed by romantic emotions) yet it's never unempathetic. I'd say him, wonwoo, jun, and, hao were the best speakers honestly.
As Mingyu said, the best part of this (and last episode's) debate was to be able to see both Myungho and Jun not only actively envolved on it, but voicing their opinions at every moment. And I must add, Myungho was in fire throughout the entire debate. 💜
Wonwoo didn't speak much but when he open his mouth it's always on point "Regardless of whether your intentions was good or not you still need to take responsibility for the outcome" - Wonwoo 16:42
서명호 진짜 예술적이며 사색가 그 자체다,, 버논이도 그렇고 평소에 얼마나 영화든 책이든 또 다른 세계를 접하며 공상하고 사색을 하길래 이렇게 말을 잘하고 논리적으로 설득을 할 수 있는건지 ㅠ 저번주 이번주 고잉 진짜 레전드다 ㅠㅠ 그와중에 아 어쩌라고ㅡㅡ 잘살리는 윤정한이랑 말씹혀서 폭발한 이도겸 때문에 육성으로 개웃음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
At first i thought that "happines you are not aware of is not happiness" was not a good outcome, but i must say that their active take on it as in "you should try to be aware of it at the moment instead of savoring its memory" actually is really good and unexpected. It might seem more negative and realistic but if you think about it, it can actually improve your perspective of a day to day life. They are not at all superficial, they actually do care a lot and do take care of things, which is really admirable.
Death 사망 samang Desert 사막 samak (but jun sometimes pronounces the k with ng so he misunderstood 😂) Before he said that line he also says haengbong not haengbok for 행복 happiness 😂 *another example is when seungkwan always teases jun for his pronunciation for 백만원 "baek"manwon into "bang"mangwon bc jun finds it hard to clearly say the k (mostly bc he wants to speak too fast or its hard for him as a chinese to pronounce words that end with k when speaking fast) (gose episode commentary where jun says his fav episode which was jh vs members)
8:40 ''You can feel that your day is very mundane and ordinary. There's nothing special about it. If you weren't aware of it, none of these things would make you happy. But if you have the ability to be aware of these things, your life can be ordinary but bring you so much happiness. Rather than talk about "I was happy back then" and "I'm happy now," if we focus on *strengthening our ability to feel happiness* , our past will feel happy to us, and our present will feel happy to us, too. And you can give happiness to others. *You have to start with YOU* .'' - Xu Minghao Wow. That made me tear up, i think we all needed to hear that :( thank you, the8
I immediately wrote it down my self help journal as soon as I heard/read it 🥹 Minghao I wish I could tell you how inspiring your words of wisdom always are for me, and for everyone who hears it. Please never change ❤️
25:50 The way Woozi tried to bring everyone's attention towards DK but still ended up interrupting him is just too funny. Best example of "good intentions can't exonerate one from bad outcomes"
명호가 최애가 된 이유… 생각하는 게 너무 철학적이고, 건강한 생각을 갖고 있는 사람이기에.. 정말 생각의 깊이가 다르다고 생각이 항상 듦. 중국인에게서 나태주시인의 시와 그 해석을 들을 수 있었다는 것이… 명호가 그 시를 읽고 어떤 생각을 했을지 너무 잘 느껴진 부분. 평소 시를 좋아하는 명호가 여기서 잘 드러나서 너무 좋음. 명호와 준이를 만나서 나의 편견들이 많이 깨졌다는 것이 참 감사함.
Jeonghan: Moderator Mum who summarises everything nicely Vernon & Jun: Owning the debate like it's their full-time job The8: Our little Romantic Philosopher Dino: Unique perspectives - and respects his older brothers hehe Shua: Here to observe the members Hoshi: Here to doodle Wonwoo: Periodically and calmly drops logic bombs Mingyu: Simplifies everything DK: Always interrupted, but nicely lets others talks Woozi: Just wanted to let DK talk (good intention) Seungkwan: Not upset S.Coups: They all wish he was here
저번부터 느꼈는데 디에잇 버논 우지가 토론을 정말 잘함 디에잇은 줏대 있고 논리적으로 자기 주장을 펼칠 줄 알고 상대를 설득할 줄 앎... 인정하는 부분이 있으면 인정하는데, 그에 대한 반박으로 자기 주장 강화하기를 잘함 버논 우지는 촌철살인을 잘 하는 것 같음 질문의 본질에 잘 다가가는 것 같달까... 가만히 듣다가 질문을 던져서 다같이 생각할 거리를 더 잘 만들어줌 이렇게 논리적으로 토론하고 머리 쓰는 컨텐츠 자주 만들어 주세요 ㅠㅠ 다른 컨텐츠에서 쉽게 못 보던 매력이 더 잘 보이는 느낌..!!
진짜 이런 콘텐츠도 좋다고 생각함 요새 고잉 콘텐츠 자체가 웃김. 위주로 흘러가고 인위적인 부분이 많긴해서 (이것도 좋긴 좋은데) 이렇게 자신의 생각을 진지하고 진솔하게 말할 수 있는 토론도 좋은것같음. 서로 이 이야기를 하면서 이해를 할 수 있는 기회가 된 것 같음 팬들도 세븐틴의 가치관을 생각할 수 있고… 마냥 웃긴 콘셉도 좋지만 방송 생각 많이 안하고 자연스러운 것도 참 좋음
But I agree with him on that one too. I think when you pair this eps to One Million Won eps you could see what kind of a person they are outside of their idol image
세븐틴은 감정과 이성이 적절하게 잘 섞인 팀 같음 어느 상황이든 다른 멤버가 너무 감정적으로 기울어져 있으면 이성적인 멤버가 도와주고, 너무 이성적으로 가면 감성적인 멤버가 도와주면서 균형있게 팀 분위기가 조화가 잘 되는 것 같음 이게 서로가 배려하면서 생활한다는 증거라서 세븐틴을 좋아할 수 밖에 ,,
The8 bringing up that poem and giving a long speech about happiness almost made me tear up. GoSe editors adding soft background music made it even harder to hold back
버논이를 더 사랑하게 되는 고잉이었습니다⋯ 조곤조곤 자신의 생각을 정돈해서 말할 줄 알고, 그 생각이 너무도 똑똑하고 정의롭고, 부당한 것들에 대해 힘주어 이야기하는 버논이가 너무너무 좋아요 🥺 평소에 허튼 이야기를 안하려고 하고 말을 골라서 하는 게 느껴지는 버논이라서 그 감동이 더 큰 것 같아요 ... 이렇게 자기 생각를 자유롭게 많이 할 수 있는 컨텐츠 자주 해주세요!!🤍
the points that Vernon stated are valid ones. i really want Vernon to speak more in gose. he is such a talented one that many people failed to recognize him... appreciation to Jun and Minghao...
오늘도 버논이의 의견에 박수쳤다.. 의식했기에 행복할 수 있다는 것도 그렇고, 면죄부에 대해서 결국 피해자의 입장에서 생각해야한다는 말도 대대대공감.... 의도가 선했기 때문에 면죄부를 준다는 건 어쩌면 피해자에게 면죄부를 강요하는 것일뿐이라고 생각해서... 아무튼 버논이의 사고방식도 좋고 그걸 풀어나가는 방식도 너무 좋다!!!!!!
@@RegalMermaid yeah, i think that's a key part that's missing in the conversation about racism/marginalization bc most majority groups don't actually have bad intentions, yet the culture and system subconsciously harms minorities. the message we get a lot is either you're a racist or you're not, and so people think, well, my intentions are good so i can't be part of the problem. then, those people get defensive when someone suggests that they may be part of the problem, because they feel like it's an attack on their character, that someone is suggesting they as a person are a racist- that they have bad intentions. when really, the vast majority of us aren't fighting against each other, we're fighting against the feeling in the air that's been created through history, cultural prejudice, and the human instinct to separate friends from enemies to survive. many people have good intentions, they just don't know what the right thing to do with them is.
8:20 i teared up during hao’s speech here, it’s so incredibly and beautifully delivered that it touched me on a deep level i had to pause the video and reflect on the topic in a way i hadn’t before. he always amazes me with his mindset and words.
DK is so funny honestly I'm such a fan, and Jun has spoken so eloquently and told great logic, would love this session to stay as regulars so we can hear everyone speak up ❤
When Han misheard Jun that said he died instead of desert, the caption said [upset]. And it's just so cute bcoz you can see that Han was upset and clearly didn't like the thought of Jun dying even in just a sample scenario🤧
명호가 시를 예시로 들어 주장을 펼치는 거나 멤버들의 말 속에서 문학적 지식과 말의 방향성을 잡고 생각하는 게 정말 어른스럽다 어떻게 보면 어릴 때부터 연습생 생활 시작해서 이런식으로 문학적 지식이 떨어질 수도 있기 마련인데 항상 일상에서도 쉴 시간을 지식을 쌓으려고 노력하는 시간으로 소비하는 게 참 멋있고 잘 컸다고 느껴진다 여기서 보이는 점이 이미 정상의 자리에 올라섰음에도 불구하고 더 성장하고 조금 더 나은 사람이 되기 위해 노력하는 자세의 일부가 아닐까 이런 점이 지금의 세븐틴이 될 수 있었던 점 중 하나인 것 같다
GOSE staff: Let's make them debate on this topic for fun!! Meanwhile Minghao: Let me bring literature and prove my debate!! Minghao doesn't came to play for Fun y'all!!!!!
He is a walking contradiction. Probably because his temperament(nature, what you're born with) is on the complete opposite spectrum to his personality(nurture, what changes as life influences you). Your temperament will always be in you no matter how much you change. That's why he has the dichotomy between being a warm generous sympathizer while also not fully grasping other people and being wholly sympathizing with them. He's very juxta
@user-wu2we9gz8e his temperament, yes. Our temperament never truly leaves us. That's why he sounds like a contradiction. His nature and his nurture are 2 complete opposites but they both exist within him. One he is born with and the other he has learned, specifically from seungkwan. He copied some of seungkwans traits in order to learn more on human interaction. It reminds me of how hyunjin from skz said seungmin is the reason he is a decent person
선한 의도는 주관적일 수 있다는 디노 말에 공감... 예를 들어 내가 외로워 보인다면서 나는 원치 않는 소개팅 계속 시켜주겠다는 상사가 있으면, 그 상사는 선한 의도에서 한 행동이니 내가 불쾌함을 느끼면서도 그 선의에 대해 감안해야 하는가...? 디노가 하려다 못한 말이 이거 같음 주는 사람이 선한 의도로 한 행동이라 할지라도 받는 사람은 원치 않을 수 있고, 무엇이 배려인지는 주는 사람이 아니라 받는 사람의 입장에서 결정해야 하는 거라구
There's that saying good intentions often pave the way to h*ll. At least 50% usually causes damage. Think of a parent who does everything foe their child to help them and make life easier. Then the child grows into an adult and doesn't know how to do anything. That just caused damage to the child that will affect all aspects of their life
Minghao is all about feeling and romantic, while jun is all about thingking how the world works and live a life is so hard. I really like how both of them can change my and all members opinion. Its just our heart and brain going back and forth to tell different prespective of life!
저는 게임을 하면서 즐겁기도 한 고잉도 좋지만 토론을 하는 이 콘텐츠 너무 좋은 거 같아요.. 토론을 하면서 웃기기도 하고 다 같이 진지함에 빠지기도 하고 특히 이번 편은 명호가 눈에 너무 잘 보여서 차애가 명호인 저는 너무 행복해여... 명호가 나태주 시 읽어줄 때 너무 귀엽고 이런 생각을 한다는 자체가 너무 대단해서 이번 고잉 감탄하고 가여..🤤😍
예전에 예능으로 고잉세븐틴 좀 보다가 안 본 지 좀 됐는데 우연히 알고리즘으로 버논이랑 디에잇 괜찮은 발언의 출발지가 궁금해서 간만에 봤어요 1부터 봤는데 생각보다 더 괜찮고 다양한 입장이 나와서 2까지 쭉 달렸습니다 멤버가 13명이라 다양한 의견 볼 수 있는 게 너무 좋고 몇몇 멤버들 발언이 괜찮아서 더 품격있는 토론의 장이 만들어지는 거 같아요 거기에 예능적인 부분도 안 놓치니 지루하지 않고 재미있게 봤습니다 주기적으로 해주세요!! ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
i can't with Joshua intentionally slap Mingyu with his phone again, why is it so funny 😭😭 mingyu's reaction, the members not caring about it, and joshua just casually demonstration his good intention but bad outcome
It's impressive how Seventeen balances their fun and goofy side with intellectual depth. They showcase their excellent debating skills and eloquence in expressing their thoughts. Really enjoyed this ep.
27:53 I just love watching them doing whatever they do: Laughing, teasing each other or agreeing to their disagrees , talking seriously, deep or with non sense , eating , playing , singing , rapping , performing or just sitting I love them and they are a "must" in my day After a hard day i will be just okay finally i am on my bed, let's see my beloved boys 💘
In serious debates like these, Minghao, Vernon, Jun and Mingyu are really in their element - they present their arguments with so much logic and reasoning. On the other hand, it's a different group of boys who do better at Debate Night type of topics, as those are more nonsensical and purely for laughs and entertainment. So glad to have all 13 of them in SVT, as different as they all are! ❤
This entire Angry men series, i found myself agreeing with Vernon and Myongho the most. Vernon is so well spoken, he speakes very intellectually and persuasively. Other than the stage pro seventeen and comedian seventeen we know, its always so nice to see big brain seventeen. Istg there are not many groups where you find all these qualities at the same time in the members.
Ok im convinced, everyone spoke so well for the 2nd topic but Hao carried this debate, his points were so well spoken, I was almost convinced to change my view point about this whole discussion. He absolutely slayed this one!
안녕하세요 창체수업시간에 선플달기운동을 하고있는 쌍령초등학교 6학년 학생입니다. 항상 노력하는 모습이 보여서 더 욱 더 세븐틴을 모든것이 너무 즐겁습니다 항상 캐럿들이 어디서든 보고있으니 힘들어하면 절대 안돼요ㅠㅠ 항상 영상을 잘보고 있어요. 캐럿들을 세븐틴의 영상을 보고 좋아하고 힘을 얻고있어요 항상 응원하고 사랑하고 감사합니다 항상 화이팅하세요❤
The way Jun and Myeong Ho become most immersed and active when it comes to debate although Korean is not their mother tongue. They hold their stance very strongly and are able to persuade others into agreeing with them by only stating facts. And, how they build up their sentences and support their opinions with visible examples like Jun talking about water and desert, and Myeong Ho's poem about happiness. Our intelligent bilingual philosophy kings for real!!!
7:25 "Happiness you aren't aware of but is given to you *by others* can even sometimes leave a bigger impact on you if you become conscious of it later on" - Seungkwan - It really made me think about how i was not aware of the happiness i get *by watching them* atm after a whole day of cryin n being depressed. Always thankful for my 13
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mingyu : i love how talk-active jun and minghao today
you said it, we love it too
We all are ❤
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@@77luix around 24:11
And I don't like how Mingyu mumbles a lot and cuts Vernon before he could finish his sentence. This is the only turnoff trait of Mingyu.
Watch it again Vernon actually ended his speech and then gyu continued I know he has habit of talking but I have never heard him cutting anyone@@fonzymae
minghao is so well spoken it's so nice to hear him speak
and the way he explains the poem he likes 🥹🍃
These episodes is really for The8!!!
@@charalinmaechavez4686 that's what I think too debate type of content just suits him very well !!
@@babyjicheol ikrrr he's so cutee
esp since it's his second language, huge respect for hao
Watching gose content like this makes me realise that no matter how goofy SVT are they are so intellectual
that's what i've been thinking too, i learned too much yet laughed until my cheeks hurt
I AGREE
FR
Agree. Im learning at the same time it make me want to join the conversation share what i think too. Its interesting
Ikr despite being so goofy , I find that they are really very good at logical reasoning
When they gave their stance, each of them had a unique and different opinion. It's always so interesting that it makes me want to join them
4:47 i really liked what dino said. i also think "looking back i was happy" is closer to longing and reminiscence
Real! I wish they delved deeply into that.
i think they kinda addressed that point already though. like, if you are able to reminisce about something and it makes you feel happy, it means that you are happy then, you just don't realize it. its really about the ability to be able to recognize and feel happiness like the8 said. if that memory makes you feel miserable and you dont have any moments of happiness then, you wouldnt even long for it... this ep is so good tho im so glad hao ate
The quiet line - Hao,Jun,Wonu,Vernon shine in this eps...☆♡°°~☆♡~~
Vernon in this episode was basically "Kidney function is not a right, it's a privilege" Vernon.
Frrr!!
@@kayadams4175 even his outfit is similar 😭
@@chocolatecatto omg, that's so true!!!!😲
So true
😂😂😂
Minghao, Vernon & Jun in their natural habitat, totally thriving and owning the debate
Hoshi: 🧍♂️doodling, “ah it’s too hard” 😂😂
I love those three. And Jeonghan moderated this so well..
@@kyuxyzz For real. He really did a great job moderating the topics and giving questions and scenarios to spice up the debate.
@@bernadethbautista547 he also trying to involve everyone. And affirming/summarizing/helping out to express what others was trying to say..
He reserves and spends all his brain power on Don't Lie 😂😂😂
Oh
I love how we are so used to the number 13 and even if a member is missing we still say 13
I was about to say this
I think it's also cuz there's actually a film called 12 Angry Men and the title is a parody of it
Haha ikr? But I'm glad the editors didn't write 12 men, cuz that would feel weird now that we are so used to 13...even in Nana tour members weren't used to being 12...❤
fr
Who is missing (i am a new carat)
I love how jun gives a very very perfect example to defend his stance and he always get me
면죄부 주제 때 아니 그걸 왜 제3자인 우리가 결정해?? 하고 있었는데 버논이가 피해자의 입장에서 생각해야 하는 거고 모든 사람이 다 여유가 있는 게 아니다.. 라고 말해서 또 한번 반했음
China line really shined in these episodes but I wanna give appreciation to Vernon as well. He's usually incredibly quiet in a lot of contents but I feel like this format was able to show how beautiful and smart his mind truly is. Every argument that he made was always logical (not too swayed by romantic emotions) yet it's never unempathetic. I'd say him, wonwoo, jun, and, hao were the best speakers honestly.
Siento que Vernon es alguien muy logico y elocuente cuando da su opinion, sin duda este contenido le queda como anillo al dedo. ✨️
Agreed!!!
totally agreed
It's always the quiet ones that will surprise you ❤
As Mingyu said, the best part of this (and last episode's) debate was to be able to see both Myungho and Jun not only actively envolved on it, but voicing their opinions at every moment. And I must add, Myungho was in fire throughout the entire debate. 💜
It was so fun to see how much Minghao was enjoying debating! The joy on his face when they were talking about the happiness topic was so sweet🥲🥲🥲
Wonwoo didn't speak much but when he open his mouth it's always on point
"Regardless of whether your intentions was good or not you still need to take responsibility for the outcome" - Wonwoo 16:42
👏👏👏
서명호 진짜 예술적이며 사색가 그 자체다,, 버논이도 그렇고 평소에 얼마나 영화든 책이든 또 다른 세계를 접하며 공상하고 사색을 하길래 이렇게 말을 잘하고 논리적으로 설득을 할 수 있는건지 ㅠ 저번주 이번주 고잉 진짜 레전드다 ㅠㅠ 그와중에 아 어쩌라고ㅡㅡ 잘살리는 윤정한이랑 말씹혀서 폭발한 이도겸 때문에 육성으로 개웃음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
At first i thought that "happines you are not aware of is not happiness" was not a good outcome, but i must say that their active take on it as in "you should try to be aware of it at the moment instead of savoring its memory" actually is really good and unexpected. It might seem more negative and realistic but if you think about it, it can actually improve your perspective of a day to day life.
They are not at all superficial, they actually do care a lot and do take care of things, which is really admirable.
“ Say that I am currently in the desert ” - Jun
“ You died? ” - Jeonghan
“ Desert, desert ” - Jun
What the jeonghan 😭
It's desert 🥹
@@madamdyosavlogs3707oop, thank you for telling me 🥹
Death 사망 samang
Desert 사막 samak (but jun sometimes pronounces the k with ng so he misunderstood 😂)
Before he said that line he also says haengbong not haengbok for 행복 happiness 😂
*another example is when seungkwan always teases jun for his pronunciation for 백만원 "baek"manwon into "bang"mangwon bc jun finds it hard to clearly say the k (mostly bc he wants to speak too fast or its hard for him as a chinese to pronounce words that end with k when speaking fast) (gose episode commentary where jun says his fav episode which was jh vs members)
It’s 5:30
jun is indeed very smart!!
8:40 ''You can feel that your day is very mundane and ordinary. There's nothing special about it. If you weren't aware of it, none of these things would make you happy. But if you have the ability to be aware of these things, your life can be ordinary but bring you so much happiness. Rather than talk about "I was happy back then" and "I'm happy now," if we focus on *strengthening our ability to feel happiness* , our past will feel happy to us, and our present will feel happy to us, too. And you can give happiness to others. *You have to start with YOU* .''
- Xu Minghao
Wow. That made me tear up, i think we all needed to hear that :( thank you, the8
straight up philosophical he's so impressive
I almost teared up watching this in a bus in my way home from work 🥺
no bcus i actually felt the same when wonwoo was "tearing up"
I immediately wrote it down my self help journal as soon as I heard/read it 🥹
Minghao I wish I could tell you how inspiring your words of wisdom always are for me, and for everyone who hears it. Please never change ❤️
Personally the debate ended when myungho said this. The way Vernon ended the debate on the first topic
25:50
The way Woozi tried to bring everyone's attention towards DK but still ended up interrupting him is just too funny. Best example of "good intentions can't exonerate one from bad outcomes"
It reminded me of the 1st part where they want Seungkwan to talk about his opinion but ended up also interrupting Jun🥹
명호가 최애가 된 이유… 생각하는 게 너무 철학적이고, 건강한 생각을 갖고 있는 사람이기에.. 정말 생각의 깊이가 다르다고 생각이 항상 듦. 중국인에게서 나태주시인의 시와 그 해석을 들을 수 있었다는 것이… 명호가 그 시를 읽고 어떤 생각을 했을지 너무 잘 느껴진 부분. 평소 시를 좋아하는 명호가 여기서 잘 드러나서 너무 좋음. 명호와 준이를 만나서 나의 편견들이 많이 깨졌다는 것이 참 감사함.
저도 명호 알게되고 명호의 생각과 신념에 반해서 최애가 되버림.. 중국인에 대한 편견을 많이 깨준 사람이기도 해요
@@SVT_LOVE8저두요
Jeonghan: Moderator Mum who summarises everything nicely
Vernon & Jun: Owning the debate like it's their full-time job
The8: Our little Romantic Philosopher
Dino: Unique perspectives - and respects his older brothers hehe
Shua: Here to observe the members
Hoshi: Here to doodle
Wonwoo: Periodically and calmly drops logic bombs
Mingyu: Simplifies everything
DK: Always interrupted, but nicely lets others talks
Woozi: Just wanted to let DK talk (good intention)
Seungkwan: Not upset
S.Coups: They all wish he was here
준은 의견에 따라 예시를 잘 드는 것 같음
사막에 대한 예시를 든 건 진짜 똑똑한 거 같다...
Yeah very smart
ㄹㅇ... 다른 나라 언어를 저렇게 정확히 이해하고 적절한 예시를 든다는게... 진짜 대단함
The way the8 speaks really shows that he likes reading books.
It's not even his first language but he explains the topics very well ❤
they even used a soothing background music for his speech time😅
저번부터 느꼈는데 디에잇 버논 우지가 토론을 정말 잘함
디에잇은 줏대 있고 논리적으로 자기 주장을 펼칠 줄 알고 상대를 설득할 줄 앎... 인정하는 부분이 있으면 인정하는데, 그에 대한 반박으로 자기 주장 강화하기를 잘함
버논 우지는 촌철살인을 잘 하는 것 같음 질문의 본질에 잘 다가가는 것 같달까... 가만히 듣다가 질문을 던져서 다같이 생각할 거리를 더 잘 만들어줌
이렇게 논리적으로 토론하고 머리 쓰는 컨텐츠 자주 만들어 주세요 ㅠㅠ 다른 컨텐츠에서 쉽게 못 보던 매력이 더 잘 보이는 느낌..!!
그래서 제가 이 3명을 마니마니 토론할때 조아합니다 ❤❤ 물론 다른 사람들두!!
+준
진짜 멋있어요🥹👍🏻
실제로 제 최애가 이 셋... 그저 본업의 부분이 아니라 이런 진지한 부분에 대해 말을 할때 사람의 바른 가치관과 생각이 잘 정립되어있다고 느껴져서 너무 좋음 ㅠ
???:짠돌이같은 소리하고있네
이 주제는 피노키오보다 훨씬 개인적인 주제여서 그런가 다들 한마디씩 할 수 았는 것 같아 좋다
진짜 이런 콘텐츠도 좋다고 생각함
요새 고잉 콘텐츠 자체가 웃김. 위주로 흘러가고 인위적인 부분이 많긴해서 (이것도 좋긴 좋은데)
이렇게 자신의 생각을 진지하고 진솔하게 말할 수 있는 토론도 좋은것같음.
서로 이 이야기를 하면서 이해를 할 수 있는 기회가 된 것 같음
팬들도 세븐틴의 가치관을 생각할 수 있고…
마냥 웃긴 콘셉도 좋지만 방송 생각 많이 안하고 자연스러운 것도 참 좋음
Jun and Minghao are total opposites. This confirms Minghao’s statement during that PD Na’s dinner talk, that they argue a lot when they were trainees.
They are on same side on the 2 topic though, about happiness. But i would say, they have very sensible arguments all thru out the debate. ❤
i just want to know, what's T and F? What does it mean?
@@istalesaga thinkers are type who follow brain wheras feelers follow heart its mbti
The fact that they both can come to an agreement just shows how strong their friendships are
not joshua saying "so, this is kind of person they were" 😭but fr it's actually different from other past episodes (the8 and jun speaks a lot)
righttt 😭
But I agree with him on that one too. I think when you pair this eps to One Million Won eps you could see what kind of a person they are outside of their idol image
When it comes to debate content, DK and Hoshi will always be the most quiet and not serious ones 😭😭😭
Haha truee! Like DK said his head hurt in the debate because ( He and Hoshi) it was not their forte.
Do you remember when Dk said we're not the brain 😂😂(They were really smart though)
When the psychologist said DK has illogical thoughts 😭😭😭
Both once said that they were born to be entertainers, not to follow serious or logical assignments that's why they couldn't have being in college 😂
ᄏᄏᄏ 호시는 게임에서 머리를 사용하는 것을 좋아하지 않는다고 말했다 ᄒᄒᄒ
오랫동안 지켜봐온 큐빅으로서 처음으로 그냥 쉽게 보게 되는 고잉세븐틴은 아니었던 것 같다.
의견들을 하나하나 되새기면서 내 생각과 삶을 정리할 수 있는 계기였고 캐럿은 아니지만 같이 성장함을 느끼네요.
항상 멀리서나마 응원해요!
난 디노 접시 의견 이해감 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 저게 만일 매일 일어난다? 착한데 매일 접시10개 깨는 직원vs매일 사탕 훔치는데 접시 안 깨는 직원.. 난 후자랑 일할래...
매일 접시 1개 깨고 사탕 1개 파는 직원 VS 매일 접시 1개 닦고 사탕 1개 훔치는 직원
The8 & Jun not just being active in the debate but being totally assertive of their opinions feels sooo good to watch🙌🤌🥰
I love hearing minghao speak so confidently he is so analytical and passionate , in the topic of happiness he was definitely the ace 🩷
21:13 가해자의 의도보다 피해자의 입장에서 바라봐야 한다고 한 번 더 강조해서 말하는 버논이의 부분이 너무 좋다.. 저번 피노키오 논쟁도 그렇고 정말 올곧고 바른 사람...
버논이랑 계속 같은 입장으로 봤는데 가장 외치고 싶던 부분을 계속 찝어주니까 편안하게 보게 됨.. 정말 똑똑하고 바른 청년
명호 너무 생각도 깊고 말도 잘해
외국어인데 자신의 생각을 정확하게 전달하다니
언어 천재인듯 ~~~
5:27 jun making an example situation out of their debate makes me appreciate the topic they're discussing, i love it!
Hoshi literally steals the show in a short time, him scribbling while other members are having a serious debate 😂🤣
세븐틴은 감정과 이성이 적절하게 잘 섞인 팀 같음
어느 상황이든 다른 멤버가 너무 감정적으로 기울어져 있으면 이성적인 멤버가 도와주고,
너무 이성적으로 가면 감성적인 멤버가 도와주면서 균형있게 팀 분위기가 조화가 잘 되는 것 같음
이게 서로가 배려하면서 생활한다는 증거라서 세븐틴을 좋아할 수 밖에 ,,
그치만 사실 T는 버노니 혼자라는거
@@망고곰돌이really, the rest are all F? Waah
맞아요
이성적, 감성적, 논리적, 감정적은 F/T로 딱 나눌 수 없는 것 같아요
결국 mbti도 무엇이 ‘위주’냐의 문제지 다른걸 배제하겠단 뜻이 아니니깐
세븐틴은 F여도 충분히 논리적인 사고를 한다는 걸 보여주는 멤버들이 많아서 좋아요
@@carrier_soup 맞아요 MBTI의 F/T는 감정/이성이 아니라 관계/사실 이에요 ~ 요즘 너무 밈으로만 의미가 퍼져나가서 슬프네요 ㅜㅜ
The8 bringing up that poem and giving a long speech about happiness almost made me tear up. GoSe editors adding soft background music made it even harder to hold back
8:50 minghao poem feels like my days rn doing nothing but i would find it blessing in future
버논이를 더 사랑하게 되는 고잉이었습니다⋯ 조곤조곤 자신의 생각을 정돈해서 말할 줄 알고, 그 생각이 너무도 똑똑하고 정의롭고, 부당한 것들에 대해 힘주어 이야기하는 버논이가 너무너무 좋아요 🥺 평소에 허튼 이야기를 안하려고 하고 말을 골라서 하는 게 느껴지는 버논이라서 그 감동이 더 큰 것 같아요 ... 이렇게 자기 생각를 자유롭게 많이 할 수 있는 컨텐츠 자주 해주세요!!🤍
명호가 평소에 행복에 대해 얼마나 오래 고민하고 생각했는지 보이는듯..
그러게요.. 눈물이..
진심..🥹
행복을 고민하는 휴머니즘 아이돌..너무 귀하다
the points that Vernon stated are valid ones. i really want Vernon to speak more in gose. he is such a talented one that many people failed to recognize him... appreciation to Jun and Minghao...
minghao should be a philosopher. he completely convinced me on that happiness one
버논 준 디에잇... 정말 최고다 항상 감탄하고 있음 깊은 생각을 할 줄 아는 사람들.. 볼 때마다 크게 영감을 받음...
준이랑 명호가 많이 말해서 좋다고 생각하고있엇는데 민규가 딱 짚어줘서 그것도 감동임 ㅠㅠ
Minghao is so well-spoken tho. I wouldn't mind listening to him everyday 😭❤
You should watch his lives, they are so relaxing. I think there are recordings of them here on UA-cam.
Irk, he can even curse me in his tone and i won't be offended.
오늘도 버논이의 의견에 박수쳤다.. 의식했기에 행복할 수 있다는 것도 그렇고, 면죄부에 대해서 결국 피해자의 입장에서 생각해야한다는 말도 대대대공감.... 의도가 선했기 때문에 면죄부를 준다는 건 어쩌면 피해자에게 면죄부를 강요하는 것일뿐이라고 생각해서...
아무튼 버논이의 사고방식도 좋고 그걸 풀어나가는 방식도 너무 좋다!!!!!!
버논의 한방 논리는 늘 시원해요 깔끔하게 논지를 잡아주는 느낌
"you have to see it from the victim's perspective" is so right and can be applied to many situations.
Yeeeep there’s a reason we (particularly marginalised groups) say ‘your intentions don’t matter - the impact does’.
@@RegalMermaid yeah, i think that's a key part that's missing in the conversation about racism/marginalization bc most majority groups don't actually have bad intentions, yet the culture and system subconsciously harms minorities. the message we get a lot is either you're a racist or you're not, and so people think, well, my intentions are good so i can't be part of the problem. then, those people get defensive when someone suggests that they may be part of the problem, because they feel like it's an attack on their character, that someone is suggesting they as a person are a racist- that they have bad intentions. when really, the vast majority of us aren't fighting against each other, we're fighting against the feeling in the air that's been created through history, cultural prejudice, and the human instinct to separate friends from enemies to survive. many people have good intentions, they just don't know what the right thing to do with them is.
New level of respect for Vernon for sure
@@butterflycarat7207 I think it was Jeonghan who said it but Vernon did agree
8:20 i teared up during hao’s speech here, it’s so incredibly and beautifully delivered that it touched me on a deep level i had to pause the video and reflect on the topic in a way i hadn’t before. he always amazes me with his mindset and words.
DK is so funny honestly I'm such a fan, and Jun has spoken so eloquently and told great logic, would love this session to stay as regulars so we can hear everyone speak up ❤
25:55 DK getting mad over being constantly talked over by the members is way too hilarious I can't 🤣
i felt bad for him tbh
@@solaramazin3704same, i feel bad for him
@@solaramazin3704yeah it may not be a serious thing but still I understand how it feels when that happens 🥲
i feel bad for DK and Dino poor babies
If you see clearly, he is really scary. 😢
When Han misheard Jun that said he died instead of desert, the caption said [upset]. And it's just so cute bcoz you can see that Han was upset and clearly didn't like the thought of Jun dying even in just a sample scenario🤧
what part of the video was that?
@@vero5499 it's in 5:33
Yes im emotional
8:28 명호 입에서 나태주 시인의 시가 나오는 거 실환가ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 고딩 때 국어책에서 보던 분이 왜 중국인 입에서 나오냐구요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ큐ㅠㅜㅠㅠ 서명호 딱 말해 너 국적 대한민국으로 바꼈지?
얘드라 이거 마니해주라 넘재밌다❤
有没有一种可能，这位诗人的诗集全世界的人都可以看到并学习呢？明浩就是把自己见过的知识分享出来了而已啦~
@@luyan-s6x姐妹这是夸人的一个梗而已呀，说明浩韩语说的很好～
개인적으로 요 근래 명호가 가장 눈에 띄게 매력 발산중, 까도 까도 계속 뭔가 새로운게 나오는 매력덩어리야
@@luyan-s6x 如果韩语水平中高级的话，可以学习他的诗集。就证明明浩韩语很溜。
첨엔 논리나잇이랑 무슨 차이인가 했는데 정말 진지하게 토론해서 좋다…이런 주제로 얘기 나누는거 좋아해서 이번편 너무 흥미롭게 봄 또 해줬으면ㅜ
지난주도 그렇고 이번주도 그렇고 버논이가 어떤 생각을 갖고 사는 사람인지, 어떤 사고 방식을 가지고 있는지 조금은 들여다보게 된 것 같아서 마음이 충만해진다 나 진짜 괜찮은 사람을 좋아하고 있었구나,, 싶고!!!
준 명호는 진짜 외국인인데 이렇게 분명하게 의사 표현 한다는게 대단한것 같음 웬만한 한국인보다 말 조리있게 잘하는듯..
Not the captions being so updated "this is so jeonghan coded" 😂, i love the editors!
timestamp?
12:32
@@mahathis3782 Thanks
Ikr? Lol but when he was explaining the situation I was like that sounds like something he would do.
minghao is so extra attractive when he speaks like this
명호가 시를 예시로 들어 주장을 펼치는 거나 멤버들의 말 속에서 문학적 지식과 말의 방향성을 잡고 생각하는 게 정말 어른스럽다 어떻게 보면 어릴 때부터 연습생 생활 시작해서 이런식으로 문학적 지식이 떨어질 수도 있기 마련인데 항상 일상에서도 쉴 시간을 지식을 쌓으려고 노력하는 시간으로 소비하는 게 참 멋있고 잘 컸다고 느껴진다
여기서 보이는 점이 이미 정상의 자리에 올라섰음에도 불구하고 더 성장하고 조금 더 나은 사람이 되기 위해 노력하는 자세의 일부가 아닐까 이런 점이 지금의 세븐틴이 될 수 있었던 점 중 하나인 것 같다
I'm always impressed every time Jun express his opinion
Xu Minghao is really such a beautiful hearted person! I wish i could listen to him speak for hours and hours!
Real
GOSE staff: Let's make them debate on this topic for fun!!
Meanwhile Minghao: Let me bring literature and prove my debate!!
Minghao doesn't came to play for Fun y'all!!!!!
Yess
As a literature student I was proud of him!!
literally
i love how passionate minghao was about the topic about happiness
The way mingyu and wonwoo literally changed everyones mind(except for myungho😭😭) in their last topic 22:30
this content shows exactly the reason why svt is able to survive for 9 years with all 13 members. i love them so much 🥹
디노는 참 친절하고 사교적인 사람 같은데, 은근히 냉소적인 면이 있는 게 매력적임 ㅋㅋ 그런 잘 갖춰진 사회성이 결국 자라오면서 만들어진 산물이란 점도 멋있고
맞아요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 새 그룹 리더 대신 세븐틴의 막내를 택한 디노가 12명의 형에게 보이는 둥글한 모습도 마찬가지로 지나오며 깎아간 과정이 있기에 더 매력적인 것 같아요
이거 딱 "너 자신을 알라" 의 디노 기질에 대한 예시인것 같아요
He is a walking contradiction. Probably because his temperament(nature, what you're born with) is on the complete opposite spectrum to his personality(nurture, what changes as life influences you). Your temperament will always be in you no matter how much you change. That's why he has the dichotomy between being a warm generous sympathizer while also not fully grasping other people and being wholly sympathizing with them. He's very juxta
@user-wu2we9gz8e his temperament, yes. Our temperament never truly leaves us. That's why he sounds like a contradiction. His nature and his nurture are 2 complete opposites but they both exist within him. One he is born with and the other he has learned, specifically from seungkwan. He copied some of seungkwans traits in order to learn more on human interaction. It reminds me of how hyunjin from skz said seungmin is the reason he is a decent person
‘형이 12명‘
선한 의도는 주관적일 수 있다는 디노 말에 공감... 예를 들어 내가 외로워 보인다면서 나는 원치 않는 소개팅 계속 시켜주겠다는 상사가 있으면, 그 상사는 선한 의도에서 한 행동이니 내가 불쾌함을 느끼면서도 그 선의에 대해 감안해야 하는가...? 디노가 하려다 못한 말이 이거 같음 주는 사람이 선한 의도로 한 행동이라 할지라도 받는 사람은 원치 않을 수 있고, 무엇이 배려인지는 주는 사람이 아니라 받는 사람의 입장에서 결정해야 하는 거라구
There's that saying good intentions often pave the way to h*ll. At least 50% usually causes damage. Think of a parent who does everything foe their child to help them and make life easier. Then the child grows into an adult and doesn't know how to do anything. That just caused damage to the child that will affect all aspects of their life
ARGUE WITH ME OR WHAT, BUT I BELIEVE, MY MAN JUNHUI IS THE MOST LOGICAL PERSON HERE. HE SPEAK WITH A LOT OF SENSE AND OFC WE LOVE INTELLIGENT MAN
26:51 love the way mingyu said he wanted to hear from dino and then there is seungkwan teasing him
Minghao is just like 'The Confucius the 2nd'. I love how he expressed and explained his stance🥰🥰🥰
세븐틴은 본인들끼리 드립치고 웃기는거 제일 좋아하는 13명이라 같이 있는거 보기만해도 팬으로서 그저 너무 행복함..
오 1빠!일찍 오셨네요ㅋㅋ 인정합니다
2빠다악 !!!!!! 존경합니다 선생넴...
또 언니네..
3빠ㅏㅏㅏㅏㅏㅏㅏㅏㅏㅏㅏ
@@장예솔-v5i 룰그님 남자일걸요..
Minghao is all about feeling and romantic, while jun is all about thingking how the world works and live a life is so hard.
I really like how both of them can change my and all members opinion. Its just our heart and brain going back and forth to tell different prespective of life!
there's just something with minghaoʼs words that makes me emotional
저는 게임을 하면서 즐겁기도 한 고잉도 좋지만 토론을 하는 이 콘텐츠 너무 좋은 거 같아요.. 토론을 하면서 웃기기도 하고 다 같이 진지함에 빠지기도 하고 특히 이번 편은 명호가 눈에 너무 잘 보여서 차애가 명호인 저는 너무 행복해여... 명호가 나태주 시 읽어줄 때 너무 귀엽고 이런 생각을 한다는 자체가 너무 대단해서 이번 고잉 감탄하고 가여..🤤😍
예전에 예능으로 고잉세븐틴 좀 보다가 안 본 지 좀 됐는데 우연히 알고리즘으로 버논이랑 디에잇 괜찮은 발언의 출발지가 궁금해서 간만에 봤어요 1부터 봤는데 생각보다 더 괜찮고 다양한 입장이 나와서 2까지 쭉 달렸습니다 멤버가 13명이라 다양한 의견 볼 수 있는 게 너무 좋고 몇몇 멤버들 발언이 괜찮아서 더 품격있는 토론의 장이 만들어지는 거 같아요 거기에 예능적인 부분도 안 놓치니 지루하지 않고 재미있게 봤습니다 주기적으로 해주세요!! ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
i can't with Joshua intentionally slap Mingyu with his phone again, why is it so funny 😭😭 mingyu's reaction, the members not caring about it, and joshua just casually demonstration his good intention but bad outcome
It's impressive how Seventeen balances their fun and goofy side with intellectual depth. They showcase their excellent debating skills and eloquence in expressing their thoughts. Really enjoyed this ep.
They are very good at articulating their stand in debates. They are all very well-spoken.
I actually enjoyed it better than I thought
minghao, jun, and vernon speaking their thoughts so eloquently only heightened their good looks !!
Minghao is really good at convincing people, I always agree with him
생각보다 흥미진지해서 놀랐음..
I love how the non talkative members talked the most in this episode. The8, Jun, and Vernon really shined in here.
명호 나태주 시인의 시를 인용할 정도로 문학과 한국에 관심이 많고 공부했다는게.. 너무 감동이야
Whenever SVT has a debate related content, I like that JUN always stands out as he’s a very logical man 😆 He’s sooo witty in all ways!
이번 컨텐츠 너무 좋다 너무 부담스럽지 않은 주제로 13명이 의견 주고받는게 너무 흥미롭고 좋았음 한번 더 보고싶다…
27:53
I just love watching them doing whatever they do:
Laughing, teasing each other or agreeing to their disagrees , talking seriously, deep or with non sense , eating , playing , singing , rapping , performing or just sitting
I love them and they are a "must" in my day
After a hard day i will be just okay finally i am on my bed, let's see my beloved boys 💘
♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Myungho, Vernon, and Jun were so soft spoken and im amazed by their judgments
명호가 주관도 뚜렷하고 말을 정말 잘한다 라는 걸 다시한번 깨달음 ㅜㅜ 아무리 한국에서 오래살았다고 해도 외국에서 왔는데 진짜 어쩌면 다른 한국 멤버들보다 말을 잘해서 놀랍고 대견하다 .. 🥹 팩폭으로 웃긴걸로 유명했을때부터 느꼈지만 정말 사람이 논리적이고 센스가 있음
In serious debates like these, Minghao, Vernon, Jun and Mingyu are really in their element - they present their arguments with so much logic and reasoning. On the other hand, it's a different group of boys who do better at Debate Night type of topics, as those are more nonsensical and purely for laughs and entertainment. So glad to have all 13 of them in SVT, as different as they all are! ❤
The philosophers vs the entertainers
This entire Angry men series, i found myself agreeing with Vernon and Myongho the most.
Vernon is so well spoken, he speakes very intellectually and persuasively.
Other than the stage pro seventeen and comedian seventeen we know, its always so nice to see big brain seventeen. Istg there are not many groups where you find all these qualities at the same time in the members.
이번화로 다시 느꼈다 정말 한명한명 생각이 깊고 토론을 너무 잘 하는거 같음 정말 이렇게 두 입장이 제대로 이해되고 설득된 적은 처음임.. 이러니 세븐틴을 사랑할 수 밖에
Ok im convinced, everyone spoke so well for the 2nd topic but Hao carried this debate, his points were so well spoken, I was almost convinced to change my view point about this whole discussion. He absolutely slayed this one!
이런 철학적이고 많은 생각이 드는 토론 정말 좋다
세븐틴이 “좋은게 좋은거지”
“지는게 이기는거다”
라는 걸로 토론하는거 보고싶다...
Dino outta nowhere "The grandma didn't ask for help y'all"
Seventeen : "👁👄👁 Pardon?"
Mingyu : "That's the typical Dino I know"
It's very interesting how dino's "dark and cynical" temperament shows itself out of the blue randomly
no because what was he on about?!!😂😂😂
watching this second episode made me realize dino is lend to logic since the first episode and he was determined with his opinion, i really admire it
안녕하세요 창체수업시간에 선플달기운동을 하고있는 쌍령초등학교 6학년 학생입니다. 항상 노력하는 모습이 보여서 더 욱 더 세븐틴을 모든것이 너무 즐겁습니다 항상 캐럿들이 어디서든 보고있으니 힘들어하면 절대 안돼요ㅠㅠ 항상 영상을 잘보고 있어요. 캐럿들을 세븐틴의 영상을 보고 좋아하고 힘을 얻고있어요 항상 응원하고 사랑하고 감사합니다 항상 화이팅하세요❤
The way Jun and Myeong Ho become most immersed and active when it comes to debate although Korean is not their mother tongue. They hold their stance very strongly and are able to persuade others into agreeing with them by only stating facts. And, how they build up their sentences and support their opinions with visible examples like Jun talking about water and desert, and Myeong Ho's poem about happiness. Our intelligent bilingual philosophy kings for real!!!
I love how their arguments are solid and the fact that they can actually rebut at each other shows that they are all quick-witted.
5:18 준이 행복을 지금의 상황에 따라 달라지는거라고 이야기한거 정말 똑똑하다
로스쿨생으로서 말해보면 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 현실적으로는 의도가 정말 중요한게 고의가 있느냐 없느냐에 따라 아예 처벌이 되고 안되고가 정해져요! 그래서 뿌가 얘기한게 너무 정확하다고 생각햇어용
7:25 "Happiness you aren't aware of but is given to you *by others* can even sometimes leave a bigger impact on you if you become conscious of it later on"
- Seungkwan -
It really made me think about how i was not aware of the happiness i get *by watching them* atm after a whole day of cryin n being depressed.
Always thankful for my 13