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Intel i5-10600K Review - 6-core Gaming Powerhouse
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Intel’s naming scheme is cursed and it’s the popular choice to hate them, but the i5-10600K is really solid for gaming.
It makes spending any more on a gaming CPU hard to justify.
Below this, I would go for a Ryzen 3300X or new i3 (pending review).
I'm also aware of the recent (maybe temporary) price drop on the R5 3600, but I'd still either save cash and go for the 3300X, or spring more for the i5-10600K.
I am undecided between the 3300x, new i3s and 10400f. Please review the 10400f as well.
@@spidermain I'm having a hard time sourcing the i3s here in Aus, but as soon as they're available I'll test them.
Waiting for i3-10300K and R3 3300X comparison.
I think a more fair comparison would be between the 3700x as if you count motherboard and cooler the 3700x is cheaper even with a rog strix b450 board
@@nivenisrael1565 The 3700X is in almost all of the charts here, so you can definitely make that comparison. The 10600K is still the faster gaming CPU.
Be happy Intel is stepping their game up. That means that AMD has to go harder as well but everyone’s complaining. 🤭
Competition is goooooddddd!
Competition!!!
Just noticed the 3600X and 10600k are sold almost for the same price... compoetition is good :D
Yes! Competition is good! I like it when both step it up. It just means that we as consumers have more to choose from and can't go wrong either way.
I dunno why a lot of people still wanna see Intel or AMD fail. Just doesn't make sense.
@ufster81 leftover money? Buddy, the 3700x is more expensive and performs worse in games. AMD doesn't need to offer "more bang for buck" they need to offer better performance gaming (single core performance) since they are obviously behind Intel in that department.
Would love to see a rebrand of the naming convections.
Little boy
Good boy
Hot boy
Your welcome intel!
You're*
Little boy, in reference to the nuclear bomb like temps?
Hey...!!! 😂
you missed one: i9- SUPA HOT FIHAAAAA!!! (it is not a processor)
I don't think that sums up Intel's new line up. Just a thought though. (:
8700K be like: Look at me, I'm the 10600K now!
and the same price in 2020 :D... big LOL.
@@Tomaszt-se6uf the 8700k was almost $400 when it launched, not $260. The 10600k will also run cooler and clock higher.
@@Code-n-Flame 260$ where? In my country price is =8700K.
@@Code-n-Flame he means used
Tomasz 6400t $260 is supposed to be the launch price but idk how much it costs in other countries
2:16 Ryzen 3600 can be found for $170-180 now which means that 10600k is ~50% more expensive. I can see the majority of people still prefer the Ryzens. 10600K is certainly a very good gaming CPU, but at this price.... Maybe only if you are dead set on getting an Intel, using a 2080 Ti, and gaming only at 1080p. So pretty niche situation. In every other case, the 3600 will give you very similar performance and you're left with a bit of money on the side for a better GPU, monitor, SSD etc.
@Patrick B no one is pairing a r5/i5 with a 2080ti, everyone will be pairing these cpus with 1650s up to 2070s, and with there gpus the difference in gaming is 0. This would be a more realistic scenario.
This. This chip makes no damn sense, even though it's getting the best reviews of the lineup. A same priced R5 3600 system with a faster GPU will be the better gaming machine EVERY SINGLE TIME!
you buy 2080ti that cost you 1200 eur why are you talking about value when you buy cpu
and 10600k not insane hot here is video i7 10700kf running 120mm aio ua-cam.com/video/0_XPGaWZXx8/v-deo.html
depend on region
They have priced the 10600k (6 core processor) so close to Ryzen 3700X (8core processor) which is currently going for 275-290 dollars, that it becomes very difficult to recommend 10600k. Not to mention that a b450/b550 with 3700x combo would still end up cheaper than Z490 with 10600k combo + Extra 20-50 dollars for a decent air cooler.
Plus IMO, 3700X would serve a person's gaming needs for much longer than 10600k as PS5 and XSX both sport an 8 core CPU and that would only encourage developers to optimize games for 8cores processors.
Well wait next 8400mhz ram ddr5 z490 and b550 the future game
This is what im looking for. Im torn between 3700x with B550 and RTX 2070 super OR 2700x with B450 and RTX2080. Any advice ?
Amir Azhar 3700x with b550 and rtx 2070s.
Amir Azhar interesting dilemma, but I would definitely go Zen 2 over Zen+. It’s such a better lineup, the 3000-series. That’s if you can’t wait. Could also go low-price used and prep for an upgrade when 4000 or 5000 drops.
@@amirazhar4424 IMO, waiting for the next gen Ryzen 4000 CPUs would be the best choice as rumour has it that the Zen 3 architecture would offer 15-20% IPC improvement over Zen 2 architecture which would make AMD take away even the "We have Best Gaming CPUs" bragging rights from Intel.
If you cant wait till September when AMD would probably launch their 4th Gen Ryzen Processors and wanna build a PC in next couple of weeks, i would suggest you to go for Ryzen 3700X and a decent B550 motherboard like Asus Strix B550-F Gaming or MSI B550 Tomahawk and when AMD launches Ryzen 4th Gen Processors in September and after reading some reviews you find out that upgrading to 4700X makes total sense if its offering performance bump in the range of 20-25%, you can sell your 3700X for like 200-220$ and upgrade to 4700X.
BTW, you maybe thinking that why i am not recommending buying a b450 motherboard? Well i have a feeling that the BIOS update that the B450 motherboards would be getting after all the Drama to support 4th Gen Ryzen Processors would be half hearted update as motherboard manufacturers would just wanna sell their new B550 motherboards so my recommendation would be to wait for b550 motherboards to release.
if the i5 build is around $100 than 3600, then why not mention 3700x ?
Hoang D
Because it still loses in gaming.
Core count. I’m sure the 4600 will match or beat the 10600k and at 65w to boot.
The benchmarks include the 3700X, you're free to compare it to the 10600K
@Jules Peeters Intel doesn't fight fair, they will lose. Intel $270 cpu vs AMD $170 cpu. That's how they win benchmark.
@@NOSfusion 65w are u crazy man? Its all 80-100
I guess everyone should wait until Ryzen 4000 realeased and tge prices droped.
lol, Intel doesn't drop prices for consumers
@@tommihommi1 actually they started doing it when ryzen came out and went lower in prices. they had to
Rocket Lake were scheduled late 2020 or early 2021
so, it seems when zen 3 came out, Intel will fight back with that
@@AliciaCLR honestly I do wonder what else can they do with rocket lake, 14nm is pushed to its absolute limit already
@@BodybuildingSteve rocket lake is based on willow cove design, a totally different core architecture, which offer huge IPC uplift
the fact it still on 14nm simply we won't see a huge core count part like AMD does with 16 core on mainstream, but it should be fine on 6 or 8 core CPU
Combine that with 14nm nodes that will be a high IPC, high clock speed CPU
In Poland Ryzen 3600 costs 800 PLN, while i5-10600K 1449 PLN, it's around 80% more expensive! I would never change my Ryzen 3600 cosindering the need of new motherboard. I am waiting for Ryzen 4600 or 4700 :)
Yeah, €169 Ryzen 5 3600 vs €289 i5 10600K here in Holland. I don't think you will find a $260 i5 10600K anytime soon.
In Denmark you can make a 3900x build cheaper than 10600k.
argh666 You sound quite like an AMD fanboy yourself
BREAKING NEWS: Newly released CPU's with extremely limited supply, are more expensive than CPU's that have been out for a year!
Also Z490 ITX boards are like 300€. You can get a B450 ITX for ~130€.
I've seen a lot of mixed reviews of the 10600K on youtube, and this is definitely one of the more favourable ones. Quite a few reviewers called this chip negligible productivity but everyone agrees it's good for gaming.
It's like a i7 8700K (4.3GHz all core) but better (4.5GHz all core) so you already know how good it is for gaming (or anything else)
Yeah some reviewrs compare based on pricepoints where the 3700X has much better productivity while other compare i5 vs R5 like him which is kinda wrong since the R5 is much cheaper, just as good in productivity, comes with a cooler good enough for stock speeds and has a much cheaper OC MOBO.
The i5 is a gaming BEAST for sure though!
@@houssamalucad753 not that much cheaper.... here in portugal a 3600x is about 250, a 3700x is 320 and a 10600k is 290. Plus the review revolves a lot more arround gaming than anything else and comparing it to the 3700x wouldnt make a difference. There are times to drop the fanboy act my friend
It's a good CPU but it's too expensive. Ryzen 5 3600 it's around £100 cheaper in UK so I don't know what Intel it's thinking
I think 10600k will hold the most value for intel. This is the cheapest cpu you can get in their 10th gen lineup while spending less yet getting solid gaming performance.
As we all know, almost most games are still not utilizing more cores, therefore spending more on the likes of 10700k and 10900k would be much of an overkill for "extreme gaming" cpu.
10700k and 10900k are both in a weird spot, since they offer exceptional gaming but their productivity benchmarks are still behind. And if you add the low cost of amd cpus, it might affect more 10700k and 10900k.
However, 10600k would be a different issue. It might be the more solid premium in gaming (premium in a way that you need to spend more for the fps gain)
You are the only reviewer i know who claim AMD included CPU cooler is "Not good". Its not the best but vs intel cpu cooler or lack thereof, it is miles ahead.
Also many people can manage a mild overclock using AMD cooler.
It´s not good. Yes it´s better than intel stock cooler and it´s better than not having cooler at all, but it´s still pretty mediocre. In many reviews it reaches 80ºC at stock clocks. That doesn´t leave almost any room for overclocking
Amd stock cooler are deemed sufficient just because amds chip have poopy overclock
@@TheMassgames with its turbo algorithm OC isn't that needed tho. And if it is, just spend the extra cash for a good cooler with the money you saved from the much cheaper MOBO.
You also need to factor he builds SFF.
Yeah bro I think he gets paid by Intel lol
Great content as always Ali!
I would’ve loved to see 1440p benchmarks as well, i feel like it is more common these days.
1440p will definitely close the gap.
On a cpu review you wanna see gpu constrained benchmarks?
It’s a cpu review, the purpose of the review should be to highlight the performance difference between various products.
It’s a given that at very high settings the performance gap between the intel and ryzen cpus reduces...
@@arroganceofficial2089 of course the real test is in 1080p but who would use one of those cpu with a 2080 ti to play in 1080p? Even because if someone Is on budget usually has mid range card that Is not bottlenecked in full HD and the frames are almost the same between different cpus in any case. So yeah, the best should be to test all CPU at 1080p,1440p and 4k.
@@Smallman647 no its absolutly not...you want to know the limit of the cpu not of the gpu! the higher you up the resolution the more the gpu starts to bottleneck not the cpu!! its just plain stupid to test the cpu with higher res...!
@@kaikoehler yeah i know this Is the correct way to do the tests, but like i said those tests are not more real world scenario tests because no one in this world will play in 1080p with a 2080 ti. If you want to play in full HD usually you take a rtx 2060 for example that will have almost the same FPS with all those cpu. So right test, just useless for anyone.
now i want to see the R5 4600
hopefully they shift 8/16 to ryzen 5, so i have a reason to upgrade my 3600x
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS
4300x 6core 😍😍😍
Then i want to see intel i5 11600k cpu, and keep going on this competition forever.
I want to see the lineup in the holidays that all the CPUs are gonna be out. I wanna see if the choice is still gonna be overall Ryzen, or if Intel makes a comeback.
Ryzen 4000 is gonna be interestinggggg
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS I'm waiting like 5 years for my next upgrade
You cant compare 3600 to this one as price difference is huge, especially when you add cooler and mb. Better compare this to 3700x
True, in portugal the r5 3600 is 120€ cheaper, that's almost the price of the r5 3600.
If you buy a new computer you need cooler and mb aswell. And who in their right mind uses box coolers anyway
@@Junglez1001 the box cooler on the 3600 is perfectly capable of cooling it. So yeah I'd use it unless I wanted to overclock.
@@Junglez1001 actually I use it, it's adequate for 3600, and you have to calculate that you need more expensive mb to overclock that i5, with 3600 you can use cheap b450 and you actually have upgrade path to ryzen 4000. With intel you're stuck to 14nm +++++++++++
@@Junglez1001 The thing is, B450 motherboards are much cheaper than Z490 motherboards. Besides, going with an H/B series motherboard for a K-series Intel CPU is just a waste.
Why not compare it to the 3700X...
3700X = $290
MOBO = $115 (MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX)
COOLER = $0 (I'm running the 3700X w/stock cooler and it cools it adequately)
TOTAL = $405
10600K = $265 (but low availability)
MOBO = $150
COOLER = $30
TOTAL = $445
Conclusion: The 3700X ends up cheaper, offers much better productivity performance, an easy upgrade path for 4th gen Ryzen (in the future), runs at a lower TDP and is only a bit slower in gaming. In addition, no one is gonna pair neither of these CPU with an RTX 2080 Ti, and I know you do that to show scaling, but if you pair it with an RTX 2060 Super or 2070 Super (which is more likely to be the choice of the consumers looking at a CPU between $250 and $300), you're looking at a very small difference in gaming performance and the better choice becomes pretty clear.
I would only buy the i5-10600K if I was only gaming and doing nothing else. Otherwise, the Ryzen 5 3600 still wins the best value award, considering its low price.
^This. This is a man who knows what he's talking about.
... if you’ve watched other videos in this channel, you’d notice that this reviewer is more into gaming, especially high FPS gaming, and consequently he’s going to take that approach. If you disagree with that, I suggest finding another tech channel
@@danielhu6485 lol dumb, if he dont find this channel he doesn't learn anything. you're just a loser who always priority being a fan gay than learning everyday
Yes, this comparisons are dumb. This is imho a general misinformation from most reviewers out there. They are not mentioning this:
A high clocked CPU with a high IPC makes only sense when playing with a low resolution (like 1080p) and a very fast GPU (and if you are looking for over 130 fps). Then the Intel Core i5 10600k is the right CPU for you (together with at least a RTX 2080 / Radeon VII).
1440p and 4k are highly GPU bottlenecked - > no need for high IPC CPU. When you are getting over, say, 80 fps be happy.
When you got a high-mid/lower tier GPU (like below RTX 2070 super / RX 5700 xt) you won't profit from a strong CPU since all decent CPUs from the last 5 years would be strong enough to bring the GPU to its limit (CPU doesn't matter - 4c/8t+).
So the target group for the 10600k, the 9900k, etc. is limited to people playing highly competitively with a highend GPU and with a FullHD 240 Hz monitor.
For most people the Ryzen 5 3600 should be the most reasonable CPU, even the Ryzen 5 1600af should do the job pretty well.
and the 3700X would still lose in gaming XD
If people are losing their minds over this, i wonder how zen 3 will be like
@KMSMista by no means that's garbage but we all know zen 3 is going to be much better. If anything the i9(though slightly better in gaming) is not that great in its competition.
@@manthanpole7980 do you have any proof to back that up? No? Ty
@Ignatius David Partogi temps are actually quite good for the 10th gen. Meanwhile enjoy your low frequency amd cpu
@Ignatius David Partogi the number youre quoting are way higher than any numbers you can find in any review on the 10th. So im calling BS on your argument
3300x ?
I hope there’s some comparisons between i5 9600 and i5 10600 in gaming
And the i7-8700 and i7-8700k
It's little. Not worth to upgrade
The Intel equivalent based on the price would be the Intel Core i5-10400F, not the Intel Core i5-10600K (IMHO)
100%
no, the perfect thing is if they produce an i5-10400k that is overclockable, oh man amd gg
@@gasviation9077 that won't happen. overclocking your Intel CPU will still require it being a K series CPU and also a Z series Motherboard (which cost extra)
@@Felix-ve9hs it's just an imagination i know it wont happen. Itll be cool if intel actually made one. its gonna be a killer deal
the 3600 are around $170 USD in my country , the i5 should probably atleast around $280++
why bother....
In my country 186€ for 3600. +300€ for i5 10600K, with more expensive motherboards at the moment.
i5 10400 appears to cost around 200€, while the supposely cheaper i5 10400F around 230€...hahaha
Prices are all over the place at the moment.
Not only yours, multiple places have the 3600 at $165 like it's regular pricing, so it makes no sense to compare CPUs on completely different price classes, he should be comparing the 10400 to the 3600.
(Prices with taxes in /pol/) 3600 for 180$ vs 10600k for 350$.
Yuppie.
3600 not have igpu but 10600k have.
Except it costs the same as an 3700X, and more when considering the motherboard premium pricing.
True
cost less and it beats it in every game expect 1, not counting you can overclock intel more than AMD
wait for the cheaper 10th gen motherboards then
In Denmark it's cheaper to build a 3900x system, than a 10600k . Also keep in mind ryzen can easily have 20% more performance with manually tuned memory.
@@gismo3564 same in NL/GER and with my XMP on ryzen 7 1700 I can get within pretty good distance of the 10600K (yes the 1700 heavily bottlenecks my 2080ti im waiting for zen3 to drop stfu) and honestly ryzen has more OC headroom than people think because guess what? Intel has lower IPC (10-20% if im not mistaken) so every 100MHz on AMD is 110-120MHz on Intel. so my ryzen 7 with an all core OC of 4.1GHz (I got lucky lol) performs much better (about 20-25%) than at stock (3.7GHz). Not to mention the 10600K needs a pretty beefy power delivery meanwhile im using an 8 pin on the cheapest B450 around (again waithing on zen3 then buying X570)
I was ready to ditch AMD for good, but they reverted their decision regarding Zen 3 compatibility with my B450 Tomahawk Max.
We both now you'd be back to AMD for Zen 3 regardless, maybe not 4000 but defo 5000 when I can assure you will need a new board anyway.
Just ditch AMD and go intel, don't forget to buy their new motherboard too.
Im so annoyed that 10th gen isnt compatible with existing MOBO's
Get an older i5, 8600K or 9600K if you're just gaming and overclock them. Same performance as this one.
This mobo will be compatible with 11th gen at least
@@Dionyzos nope, the hyperthreading helps smoothing the frames
It would burn the VRMs on current motherboards 😂
Nabara夢子 Check out Gamers Nexus review. The 9600K is on par with this one and it’s basically an overclocked 8600K.
The 3600 might bottleneck a system down the road... (if you use the fastest consumer GPU on planet earth which no normal person with a 3600 will afford in 1080p). I think this is an at least a bit far streched argument to make.
rtx 3060 is new rtx 2080ti when leaks and rumors are true
The thing is, the upcoming launches of Nvidia Ampere and AMD RDNA 2 will mean that in a few months you’ll be able to buy graphics cards faster than the RTX 2080 Ti at much lower prices. And that’s just a few months, two years from now we can expect RDNA 3 and Nvidia Hopper to obliterate current GPUs. Most people keep their CPUs for longer than 2 years. It really isn’t a far stretch at all.
or for anyone who cares about preformance more than graphics and plays anything moderately competitive they will definitely notice
You have upgrade paths for AMD CPUs, including AMD's next generation of CPUs. Intel, on the other hand has not future that does not include a NEW MOBO.
you dont have upgrade path with 300 series boards
It's so nice to have a UA-cam channel with focus on the same things I value the most. Thx for a great video a keep up the awesome content.
it's almost 2x the price of a 3600
At the moment it's $172 for the R5 3600 vs $265 for the 10600K if the current Ryzen sale holds.
and whats funny is that r5 3600 price will continue to drop further once the r5 4600 drops
2x lol where
@@optimumtech Can you look into the AU prices? the difference is huge.
@@optimumtech $265 is the 1k unit price for the 10600K, consumer pricing hasn't been disclosed yet, but will be more like $300, and street prices on Intel CPUs often are above MSRP instead of below it like for AMD chips
Although I'm an AMD fanboy, I gotta admit that the i5 performance is kinda nuts considering Intel are still stuck on 14nm. I'm guessing it's fast but hot and sucks power.
One question though, why the hell is the i5 in such a massive box? Did it come with that water pump or something? (that's two questions, sorry)
its the reviewer box for the 10900 and 10600
check paul's hardware on intel's i5 temp on load. it's much much cooler than ryzen 5 3600x and runs faster on OC with 5ghz. hence, the monicker, fastest gaming cpu.
Yeah, but, did you see the power-draw and temperatures?
your perspective is unique among reviewers and pc gamers. your preference to super high fps for your games at a lower 1080p resolution, your use of gpu intensive productivity programs, your dedication to small form factors computers and a clean aesthetic; combined makes for an informative review from a different point of view.
It's gonna cost at least 300$ in my country, that's a no-no choice for me
Same in India dude
Saitama
Red Dot!
@argh666 you'll need 200€ mbo to have that thing stable oc. For that money I would go rather with 3700x
it's just a little more expensive in my country like a couple dollars more so yay me i guess
where i live its straight up 360 bucks.... the 3800X is 340 bucks...... that 10600K gets destroyed by the 3800x
Finally hyperthreading on seemingly all of their 10th gen chips. The difference in gaming is undeniable. Wonder if it helps with video editing, rendering, etc
Of course it does
25-28% gain over the 3600 in only some games that are mostly dependant on clock speed. The price difference between the two is 40% so is it really better?
@@aaaAaAAaaaaAa1aAAAAaaaaAAAAaaa slap some manual memory timing on that thing, and it becomes neck and neck.
@@gismo3564 of course if you're an enthusiast you can squeeze every bit of performance out of ryzen ;)
@@aaaAaAAaaaaAa1aAAAAaaaaAAAAaaa is it. The 10600k will support a 2080ti, while the 3600 will bottleneck the fuk out it. This is good from Intel. At least until 4000 series comes out.
Now the fun begins because while that does look promising this is still a response to the current ryzen 5 so of course it is better. Can't wait to see what amd will respond with on either performance or price or both.
Gosh I love there is competition again.
I'll retire my old 3770k when amd launches again.
Would love to see you taking 2600k, 3770k, 4790k etc all the way to modern and ocing them all comparing avg fps ofc but more importantly 1% lows, frame delay and especially the frame pacing.
Do you get around to much monitors lately? Is the gl850 or the tuf the way to go now adays for 1440p gaming and some color work
Personally I recommend the GL850, it's what I have and pixel response times are great and it has a factory calibrated SRGB mode
I am currently running a 3770 and am pretty satisfied. Updated my GPU to an RTX 2070 last year and I can play all AAA games at High-Ultra setting at 1080p at 60+ fps, which is fine for me since I don't have a high refresh rate monitor. Personally, I will wait for ddr5 to drop, as it is not that far off - either late 2021 or 2022, which would be a huge boost. AMD will come out with a 5nm chips, and intel should finally have 7nm by then, so competition should be even better, as Intel is kind of bad at the moment. TL:DR, if you don't use your PC for work and need the extra cores/threads, I suggest that you wait for ddr5, as I am.
@@hsavov bit of misconceptions here. Ddr5 won't give anything compared to tight timing well established ddr4 just like ddr4 at first wasn't better than good ddr3. With time it will be better.
Seems a bit odd you'd spend a lot of money for a gpu you bottleneck hard.
60fps is unacceptable to me. I don't enjoy that experience at all.
And I use it for encoding, compiling and other jazz of the sort.
When they come out with ddr5 pcie5 usb4.0/5.0, 8k et etc there is always the next thing to wait for. Upgrade when you have applications you cannot run. That's my philosophy.
And I would seriously advice you to go 144hz. You're missing out big time.
Was finally able to order a 10600K and should have it next week. Pairing it with a MSI Z490 Tomahawk board. Can't wait to get it up and running.
Is the i5 10600k the 2500k successor that enthusiasts have been asking for for years? Kinda seems like it
*DOOM sound track plays in the back ground*
Intel: "What's that noise?"
AMD: "Welcome to the Zen 3, Ryzen 4000 series launch everyone!"
Rip ‘n Tear untill it is done
at ryzen's gate
00:13 How Intel probably have thought:
6600, 7600: We do whatever we want. What are you going to do, buy an AMD CPU? Go ahead, throw your money away, ah hahaha.
8600: Oh, fine, here are 6 cores. Not that we care about AMD.
9600: (sweating) You will still buy 6C/6T cores, right?
10600: (profusely sweating) Now our CPU is as just as good as AMD's. Please buy our CPU, we beg of you...
@Ignatius David Partogi The tables have turned hehe
@Andreas It really depends on your use case. Can you tell the difference between 120 and 140 FPS while gaming on a 60 Hz TV? I can certainly tell the difference between $0 and $150 in my wallet.
@@kaizer-777 You will tell the difference when 10600k will still do 60 fps and 3600x only 40.
@Andreas I have never been a fan of AMD and personally run Intel however the last few years they have certainly turned around. They have chips that can run crisis without a dedicated GPU, no one can say that they aren't good for gaming. If you save £100 getting an equivalent AMD and spend that 100 on a better GPU, your gaming performance will be better than the Intel and worse gpu.
Ignatius David Partogi That’s not what i mean. I’m talking about the intel being the heater nowdays with their 14++++++++++nm sganated processor
You are amazing thorough and pay really close attention to every tiny detail surrounding products and their competitors. I know I'm not the first to say this, but thank you!
Your videos are so simple, straightforward and easy on the eyes. Your voice is also excellent at narration without putting me to sleep. Good job, my dude.
You are missing one thing in your review. 10600K with overclock-capable board and cooling to handle it cost roughly same as 3700X with X570 board. And one of them will be dead as a gaming cpu once dx12ultra cards arrive in half a year.
Saying a 6c/12t CPU will be “dead as a gaming cpu” is a bit of a stretch.
@@SirSethery dx12ultra with all the stuff it brings will absolutely hammer CPU to GPU connection. Any platform incapable of running at least one x16 slot and ssd in pcie4.0 mode is DOA as gaming hardware.
@@LetoDeWirre
Whatever you say buddy 😂
no mention of the i7 8700k?
For gaming the i5 line up is decent. Had no problems with my 8600k OC to 5GHz. No need to spend extra on a i9 or i7 for gaming. The 10600k is impressive, just a shame I'd need a new MB.
Can you make a video where you design a silent ITX build that can handle CAD Design work and rendering but also run games nicely @ 1080 / 1440p? I have not found a video that explains how to do this properly with small form factor hardware. Started watching your videos a while back and I am really enjoying them! Keep up the awesome content and high-quality production, this channel raises the bar for all tech channels on youtube.
Where's 9600K in compare graphs?
Glad someone else noticed it, surely thats the first thing you compare it against
I guess there’s no huge difference that’s why he neglected 9600
This seems like an 8700K with tweaked clocks.
It is.
Love the shot of the team group dark pro dimms with the tops removed. SFF for the win 🤙
Is it really fair to compare the 10600k to the AMD R5??
Why not comparing it to the R7? Since both have the same price?
You can see in the charts the R7s are there and they get their ass whooped in gaming
Is an Intel i5-10600K with a RTX 3070 a good fit?
Yes.
And that's how my i7 8700K turned into an i5. :D
If it wasn't for ryzen it'd probably be an i9 by now.
its easy doing business nowadays lol. Just take unselling product from the past and rebranding to a new one. Good strategy than selling them cheap :P Save r&d cost too :P
Absolutely - be interesting to know if a delidded & overclocked 8700K is still better than an overclocked 10600K ?
@@toofhuny8898 lapped die 8700K and lapped heatspreader to improve thermal output and icrease clockspeed like Der8auer was done on last video.
You probably should have compared it to the 3600x but anyway.
£200 for a 3600X vs £275 for the 10600K in the uk. In fact, the direct competitor at this price point is the 3700X which has PCI-E 4.0 and with a new motherboard support for a ryxen 4xxx cpu in the future.
Good review but I don't think the choice is clear as you present it. Granted now it's a legitimate conversation, but that price differential is a lot and putting that extra 100 to 150 into a better graphics card is a pretty meaningful upgrade.
As always, concise, professional and well presented. Perfect.
Lol since 8700K was released in Sep 2017, in 3 years Intel has only managed to shave 100usd off the price tag and call it a new 10th gen I5 CPU, bravo Intel bravo....Seriously the 8700K at 5.1Ghz perform the same as all these 10th CPU...
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Which is why Intel has been the best gaming processors for a decade...you only need to upgrade once very every 5 years. I picked up my 9700k for just over $300in November 2018 (black friday) and it still ranks in the top 3 or 4 processors in most all gaming benches. It seems to be the 9900k/10700k in half the benches when their hyperthreading seems to interfere with performance.
@@Pube83 truth be told, unless you are gaming at the peasant 1080p, the CPU doesn't even matter that much. Anything with 6 cores is an excellent choice. But you can get the 3600 cheaper than this, so I'd recommend that
Just bought a 10600k yesterday, upgraded from the 3770k and i'm using it for both gaming and video editing/3D etc...It handles everything very well, I'm a very happy costumer.
Great review, Great content, as always. Thanks man.
The 10600k is too expensive. Factoring in z490 and cooling its priced very close to a 3700x.
So? It beats the 3700X in gaming still. It´s the better choice for pure gaming, just like he said in the video. Ryzen 3700X is the better all-rounder, i5 10600k is the best at gaming. That´s where the market stands.
@@TheMassgames Yeah with a 2080 ti. The difference would be 5% max with a midrange gpu like the 2060 super or 5700 xt (which is what the vast majority of people are pairing with these cpus); and you get extra threads which will help it in the long term and with multitasking.
10600k vs 3700x, similar price
3700x has a better stock cooler than 3600 as well. I guess you could go 10600KF and get an air cooler to make it even price again.
Now that's a good match. Intel wins on gaming, AMD on productivity (except maybe Photoshop but I don't think it's noticible)
But here's the thing: I got r7 3700x almost a year ago. Been slowly saving money to my next upgrade AND have enjoyed it's performance for months
So if I needed an upgrade and have $256 (price of 10600K) saved up, I'd probably wait a bit for what AMD is launching next for that price range
The 10600K is significantly faster in games than the 3700X. It's in the benchmarks. You can see it clearly. If you're building a gaming computer, there's no reason to choose the 3700X over the 10600K.
@@selohcin The benchmarks are clear. Intel wins the benchmarks for gaming. It's not as significant a win as AMD's win on productivity but that's not what the video is about. It's a gaming CPU review. And the winner is clear.
It's just almost a year late to the race. I wasn't going to wait a year to get something slightly better now for the same price range. It's a solid option for whoever is doing their first build now or wasn't able to afford a $250-ish CPU last year.
There's absolutly no reason to switch a 3700x for a 10600K. Specially if you do more than gaming. I'd get less work done and hurt my income. Disastrous decision.
@@ojosetome what about upgrade paths? the right amd board will support zen 3 and its refreshes
(maybe zen 4?), but i think its unlikely that the intel board will support whatever new intel chips come out in two to three years time. im looking at an itx build now and so far its either pricey x570 board w/ 3700x/3800x/xt or cheaper intel board and a 10700kf, the price and value difference is confusing to me when thinking about it long term 2-3 yrs, what do you think could be the better value overall? if only i could wait for ryzen 4000 but i need a portable rig now.
@@shanek1248 AMD has been the better value overall and it's a trend that seems like it's going to last for a while. It could be 4-5 years till a GPU comes out that takes full benefit of the features an X570 mobo has currently. CPU wise an X570 is overkill for a x3700 but it will definitely future-proof it.
You may not have to wait for zen 4. Check out last few days' news on Ryzen 7 3800xT, Ryzen 5 3600xT and Ryzen 9 3900xT. They are rumored to have an impressive clock speed boost.
Balance the motherboard price difference and plan how many CPUs are you planning to buy in the next 4-5 years. AMD CPUs usually cost at least $100 less than a similarly performing Intel CPU. Maybe it's an investment that makes sense for you.
Ali my brother from down under. Great work sir. I am impressed by this CPU and what is capable of doing. I would still get the i9-10900K for my needs but this new i5 is pretty powerful. Intel will be Striking back in 2020 and 2021.
great video as usual! good work!!!!
the battle for my wallet continues. i love it
LoL, ok, so the 10600K is great for those playing at 1080p with a 2080ti, what about the 98% of people who are playing at 1080p with a 1660 super or at 1440p with a 2060 super? Should they spend almost $200 more on the processor/cooler/mobo for no tangible increase on performance when they could put that money into upgrading their GPU and actually seeing an performance boost?
Such a joke.... Makes no sense to spend more money on a processor when you're GPU bottleneck, so recommending the 10600K without addressing that fact is far from ideal. Just like Steve from Gamers Nexus said, for the review to be relevant you need to test real world escenarios, if you're testing 1080p with 2080ti's exclusively you need to address the fact that such scenario is not representative of the vast majority of gamers. Most people buying a 2070 or better are playing on 1440p, the only exception being those who play e-sports competitively.
Before I go, I'd like to say that games such as Far Cry 5 favor Intel CPUs, and will always carry a huge fps difference, 99% of the reviewers let their audience know when they present data from games that are outliers, and you should do it too, because those results are not representative of "gaming" on general, but are specific to one or two games. Is misleading to present information like this.
LUL thank you man. You have excellent points here.
Trying to decide at the moment whether to go red or blue with my new NZXT H1 build. Not expecting the case till the end of June here in the UK so still have plenty of time to decide. Think it will probably come down to what B550 ITX boards are available at the time and how the B550/Ryzen combos match up against the Z490/10600k. It will be a mixed use PC for gaming and productivity so the potential extra cores I could get with team red aren't to be sniffed at.
You can improve cpu performance . By 1. Increasing Hz. 2. Increasing cores. 3. Moving to better silicon ( 14 to 7 nm). Though you can also improve architecture. So did Intel improve architecture or they use 10 series as a place holder until 11th and 12th gen cpus come on the market?
Where I live the i5-10400F is the same price as the R5 3600, and I'm pretty sure the 10400F is a lot slower than the 10600K. Not good enough, Intel.
actually it isnt that much slower than the 10600k. just by a little tiny bit
Lower base clock makes it a bit slower but the boost clock isnt much lower
and I just upgraded to a 9600k ugh oh well I will wait for 11th gen. :)
Why did you decide to get that one?
3:55 Holy cow! Look at R3 3300X! How is it matching and sometimes beating R5 3600 in gaming benchmarks?
4:20 And check this out! How the hell is R3 3300X ~25 FPS faster on average than R9 3900X in CS:GO?!?
What's that supposed to mean?
I really Curious how much undervolt can this i5 10600k take since it could help the cooling...
None. Undervolt is disabled due to plundervolt abuse.
@@gismo3564 Wait what? Can you elaborate a bit?
this could be a year where we put i3s on expensive motherboards
Dont upgrade in 2020, maybe in 2021.
100+ dollar more for 5-10fps?
intel fanboys : YES
Something I really appreciate about you is that you don't fall to brainwashing.
A lot of people are ready to trash on the 10600k/f, because it's more expensive and the price/performance is worse at the moment... you look down the road and consider different perspectives and possibilities such as the possibility that the r5 3600 may become a bottleneck later despite its cost, however.
I would still go for a 3700x or something though, because i barely game anymore and do more productivity than gaming, even.
But it's definitely true- everyone just says SFF is trash, but you test and see how trash it really is, and show it is worse temp. wise but it can also have benefits (clean setup is one i've noticed personally.) No one else dared to trash the Era ITX but you did. You're definitely an independent thinker and that gets a lot of respect from me. It's hard to do that nowdays.
Just found this gem on amazon prime day for $170. Upgrading from an i3-10100.
10600K: “Hi brother”
9900K: “Bruh how come?”
10600K: “You’re obsolete bruh”
Wut lol
Intel missing on price as always
It's not made in china so it's a price that I can support.
Lol Intel intentionally inflate their price so they can seem like a “quality” brand, and it actually works. Apple does this marketing tactic as well, cause humans are dumb and perceive expensive things as higher quality
@@danielhu6485 Apple make all it's products in china so I would not and never have brought apple products (they suck quality wise too). Intel is still made in the US and yes it cost more but I still have a working 486/33 and pentium 90 both made in the USA. My 920 from 2008 still works too. I also don't understand your statement as this chipset is the same price as a comparable made in china amd but is faster in games.
In the Netherlands as of this time the i7-10700K is about the same price as the R9-3900X and the i5-10600K is the same price as the R7-3700X.
Availability for the Intel cpu’s is an issue at the moment. On most websites the Intel cpu’s are on pre-order or listed as not available at this time.
Intel i9-10900K € 549,00 up to € 599,00
Intel i7-10700K € 419,00 up to € 479,00
Intel i5-10600K € 289,00 up to € 319,00
Intel i5-10500 € 229,00
Intel i5-10400 € 199,00
AMD R9-3950X € 795,00 up to € 799,00
AMD R9-3900X € 459,00 up to € 475,00
AMD R7-3800X € 359,00 up to € 369,00
AMD R7-3700X € 289,00 up to € 315,00
AMD R5-3600X € 215,00 up to € 219,00
AMD R5-3600 € 169,00 up to € 179,00
Also last gen Ryzen, Zen+ has come down in price alot, which can be a good solution if your on a budget and need cores and threads.
AMD R7-2700X € 175,00 up to € 199,00
AMD R5-2600X € 149,00 up to € 180,00
AMD R5-2600 € 129,00 up to € 135,00
AMD R5-1600AF € 99,00 up to € 109,00
Pricing from two large populair pc and hardware retail (online) shops.
With the pricing and availability at the moment I cannot see a reason for buying Intel 10th gen.
They are more expensive for the same performance (on average) or same price for less performance (again on average.) Also the wattage usage, the extra heat that generates and the lack of a included box cpu cooler is a big let down and it add’s additional cost.
Next to that the Z490 boards are simulairly priced to X570 boards except for the premium boards which are even more expensive.
Example;
MSI X570 Godlike € 685,00 up to € 749,00
MSI Z490 Godlike € 879,00 up to € 899,00
So yeah, I am staying with AMD for now.
Specs; AMD R9-3900X, 4x16GB 3600MHz G.Skill Trident-Z Neo, Aorus X570 Master, Aorus RTX 2080 Super Waterforce.
Also waiting for Zen 3 to upgrade the cpu to 16C/32T when it comes out 😀
Just ordered mine after not being able to afford an upgrade for 6 years ( running an i5-6600 ) and I cannot wait for the huge performance increase from not being bottlenecked by my old CPU
Hardware Unboxed does a better job as includes at least 1440p.
And actually compares comparably priced CPU's.
what's the point of 1440p when comparing CPUs? You want them to be least graphics bottlenecked. He'd be better off going to 720p than show 1440p
@@9034833838 for what reason? To test the cpu power? We aren't at 90's with 720p monitors. If someone is planning to buy a 1440p monitor it is very useful to know the performance of the cpu he wants to buy.
@@GAGNATRON Common knowledge, the gap shrinks at 1440p compared to 1080p. Proceed as you must. There's a reason things are tested to failure when they are expected to run at around 10% capacity. Testing CPUs at 720p with a 2080ti is a test to failure and it should be done. 1080p is close enough.
@@9034833838 the majority plays @1080p 144Hz monitor. Some play @1080p 240Hz. Some will do that test when they buy it. The UA-camrs don't bother with that resolution. Either way there will be bottleneck.
Its crazy how AMD has to shrink their die to 7nm to catch up to them. Imagine intel on 7nm.
Those were my thoughts, yeah. AMD has a long way to go.
Intel just has better engineers nothing to do with the cpu's
Imagine and with intels money and their engineers
The intel chip has much higher power consumption and is just as powerful on all core tasks. I admit it has some very impressive thermal engineering to save it though!
Get your facts right... ryzen 7nm processor are the first generation of it's kind.... while intel 14nm+++++++ is already 5 years old... also considering how intel used to sell 4c/8t i7 cpus 3 years ago was a complete rip off... also amd will move to 5nm cpus with zen4... and I don't see any news from intel moving beyond 14nm...
I get completely where you're coming from with the fact that the 10600K is just plain out better for gaming 100% agree with that.
But R5 3600 (£150) + B450 Tomahawk MAX £110 is £265 in the UK.
Cheapest Z490 board is £135ish + a Hyper 212 for £30ish (which is the minimum you could spend) + a 10600K for £286 (cheapest right now) makes it £455ish. Then the extra 50W of continuous power consumption pushes towards recommending 80+ Gold, higher wattage PSU's (adding maybe £30-£40 over a decent 500W 80+Bronze)
I make about 2 or 3 PC's a month, usually gaming PC's for friends/family/recommendations. The 3600 is £30ish more than the 3300X and is a much better "all rounder" and is perfect for so many systems
I don't know where you get those prices but:
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 is on amazon.com $172, not $199
Intel i5-10600k has no price and could be priced $300 or more.
At the end you will double the cost to buy the i5 10600k.
LUL and the 3600 has been as low as $160 and for the people who is thinking of picking up the 10600K, they better pair it with a $1300 2080 ti. Else they're doing it wrong.
basically intel will milk fools with renamed 9th gen cpu-s and require for it new mobo just like relative expensive cooler
Did you watch the video mr ryzen pfp man?
9th gen were partly renamed 8th gen CPUs so these are still 8th gen. This i5 is basically a 8700K and requires and new mobo
The 3600 goes for 172 on amazon in the states. Pretty sure there is gonna be a mark up on the 10th gen intel msrp by the time the consumer can get one. Currently the 10900k is sold out with a 529 price tag, 40 over msrp. Im sure the same will happen with the i5, so the disparity may become even larger. Just some numbers to consider when making the purchase decision. If you are looking for light content creation and gaming I still feel like the R5 is the best bang for buck. Strong point about being able to upgrade the gpu down the line though. It really comes down to the consumers need and budget.
i go with intel cpu cuz 5 years later still will carry your pc..but amd will be unstable..thats fact..i was in love with amd at first till i find out intel cpu quality..almost same with graffic card..amd got options and price but i cant change my pc every year or 2 ..i prefer at least 5-6 years no problem ..i had always problem with amd for longterm..personally i like this cpu for gaming..
I see a lot of hate for this CPU in the comments, but I'm in a situation where I have a 240hz 1080p monitor, recently bought a 2070 super, and I'm still running a 6700k @4.4ghz in an SFF case. This is honestly the most compelling chip for me right now as the Ryzen offerings aren't able to consistently take full advantage of the refresh rate of my monitor but the higher end i7 and i9 will be way too hot for me to air cool.
You should wait for next-gen Ryzen.
Would you recommend 2060 Super or 2070 Super to pair with this GPU? Also, at 6:20, what are those ram? Looks cool!
I think if you mention the money a lot, which you have to spend for that I5, it be best compared to a R7 3700x which if I google the prices here in Germany is still a bit cheaper than the the I5 and then the question becomes what is worth more 6 cores and strong single core performance or 8 core with a better multicore performance.
R5 3600 is about an year old. Lets wait for Zen 3 and then see about switching back to intel.
3 years ago I would not even imagine Intel catching up to AMD. What a great time to play video games.
This is exciting. I'm using a 9600KF (OC to 5.00 GHz) and I am really happy with it. This is a great change adding hyperthreading to the line. I really hope Intel pulls it together by gen 11 when I plan to upgrade again.
hello here. i would like to buy i5-10600k or i7-10700k and I would like to ask, is here any nice silent fan? i don't want to buy liquid cooler. thanks
The 3600 for its price is still the clear winner. R5 and i5 right now are not in the same price class at current values, even though the marketing would target it that way. Especially if your pairing mid range CPUs with mid range GPUs. Money saved on the platform can go straight into the GPU where the most gains in gaming will always be felt. Supply and availability is also a major problem with a fairly papyrus based launch.
I would love to see benchmarks run at 1440p. I get that he is a 1080p gamer, but many of us use 1440p high refresh rate or other setups such as 4k. The differential between CPUs in gaming tends to be less at higher resolution.
Really wish you would've tested at 1440p or with a GPU people would actually pair with an R5 or i5 given their price point (like a 5700 XT or 2070 Super). The kind of user that'll spend $1000+ on a 2080 ti isn't looking to save $250 buying an i5 instead of an i9. They're probably not playing at 1080p either unless they're playing competitively at high refresh rates (in which case they'd get an i9 anyway just because it's A LITTLE faster).
Also given the ITX leanings of your channel I was hoping you'd say something about ITX motherboard prices between the two platforms.
Where I live, the 10600K is 120 euros (131.5 USD) more expensive than 3600. Realisticly would be better to use that money for a higher tier GPU, assuming theres some sort of budget going on.
Very informative!
Gaming on a 3600+2070S is exactly what I do. At 1440p. Frame rates really aren't that low, I target between 90 and 120 fps in most games I play.
Simple Clean review good work brother
As a Ryzen owner, I think a more realistic combination for the Ryzen 3600 would be an aftermarket cooler (almost mandatory as they run hot, ~ $50 US) and an x570 motherboard (~ $250 US), making the two systems almost price-equivalent.
You’ve basically just sold be this, will be doing my first build with this by the end of the year. Do you think I should wait for the 3060 to come out of get a 2060 super
I will wait until ryzen 4000 arrives for sure and maybe wait until September for the 3070 and 3080
Get a Ryzen 5 3600 and spend the $150+ you saved on the CPU & cooler and get a faster GPU. Don't be an idiot and waste your money on a slower gaming system. A R5 3600 + 2070 Super will fucking ANNIHILATE a i5-10600K + 2060 Super, both at about the same total price. (Hell, you'd probably still be pocketing like $20-30 in savings on top of that).
I'm in the market for a new gaming PC later this year and the new 10th gen from Intel looks promising. I'm just not sure if the I7 10700K is worth the extra investment over the I5 10600K. I strictly use my PC for gaming. I don't do streaming, content creation, rendering, ect.
What’s the highest end GPU you would recommend to pair with the 3600 without bottlenecking? My thought was the 2070 super but I’m curious to know what you think.
I'll be doing a lot of gaming ( not streaming btw ) watching movies, and also musics. So yeah, I would consider going for blue team this time eventhough I really liked Ryzen chips. Or I'll just wait for their 11th gen 10nm.
To address some inconsistencies, hyperthreading doesn't benefit gaming nearly as much as you'd think. Clock for clock with each individual core is what matters, as well as overall IPC performance. I found this to be true when disabling SMT on my 3700x, which brought higher, and more stable framerates in games when overclocked to 4.3Ghz, similar to the 9700k at 5Ghz . Perhaps a 2% difference at most between the 2 processors. However, not stating this to be the case with the 3600, but I'd say it's worth a test with SMT disabled against the 10600k to see the difference, if any. Because if the 3700x performs better without SMT, it does make you wonder how the more budget friendly 3600 will fair.
Any idea how viable this chip will be for SFFPCs? I'm curious how it will perform with a NH-L9i or a Jonsbo HP-400 under load. It seems like either could potentially handle the thermals at stock if not undervolted, right?