I support this bruh, I think it’s a great thing, it helps keep single men away from these leftover lunatics Besides, by a certain age they are almost guaranteed to be empanists and who needs that
Notice how she got hyper-fixated on the whole "chasing/hunting" part, but had nothing to say on the part of adding value to a man's life. Literal crickets and radio silence.
Facts, the real ones understand of she actually likes you, she’ll make it easy for you. And if she really likes you, she’ll roll out the red carpet. The men who sleep with women on the first night dont do it because the game is just that good, its because she wanted what she wanted
@@kevinagain0722 That is not correct, it's neither at a fixed age nor does it stop. Women mature (usually earlier and) faster in both body and brain function because of a simple reason. Children. They need to be "more ready" sooner because of that potential task. And that is where rubber meets the road. That task. So, they get a major boost once puberty kicks in, and then it slows down and both sexes hit full development at around 25. Past that there's some neuroplasticity, but there won't be any earth shattering changes, bar some disease, accident, etc... Obviously that is all under the, until now true, assumption they were being raised to be adults. But if you raise them to keep on being children, well... you get grown u children.
Some? It’s most, they don’t talk for only communication. Most of the time it’s to make themselves feel better or elicit some emotional response in others
the best advice that I ever received was when I was checking out a woman in the gym, i broke my neck to get a second look. an older man said, "you young fellows, all you care about is getting in, but men my age first think about getting out" I truly understand and live it totally
A lot of shaming language. She is an older black woman, which is the least popular demographic. I don't think she can afford to not take any action. Its retoric like this that is responsible for black woman being the most single and highest divorced rates.
Back in the day a 60 yo women would already be married with her factory worker husband making 60k a year and they’d live happy ever after I think her standards are keepin her single
The woman that said she is setting herself to be hunted where are hunters hunting you? Why haven't you been got? The only thing you're settling yourself up for is loneliness.
I swear in the minds of women like this their words are like poetry. The reality is it sounds like the ramblings of the guy that lives behind the dumpster of the grocery store.
WELL IN THE STONE AGE IF MEN WERE HUNTIN' WOMEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD(*PUN INTENDED*) PURPOSE OF MEN WERE HUNTIN' WAS FO' FOOD BASICALLY MOST OF THE TIME
Wild dogs are opportunistic predators that hunt a wide variety of prey, including antelopes, warthogs, wildebeest calves, rats, and birds. A single buffalo can weigh up to 30 times more than a wild dog
@@iceoxander what about a pack of 30 wild dogs hunting a calf? You did say they were opportunistic hunters and im sure this scenario has played out 1000 times
7:20 My man remembered me from over 20yrs ago & began to investigate to find me. (Life separated us. I never friend-zoned him!) He didn't want to freak me out by coming on too strong, so I eventually told him I liked him. It's only gotten better since I said something! We have to be worth finding, but we also have to let men know that the hunt is worth the effort!!!
Notice how life between yall got better once you spoke real words? If most women did this there would be less confusion. Men can’t read minds and women suck at giving hints or even letting the guy know she likes him. I’ve had women hit on me but they did a crap job. The smiling and moving your hair thing doesn’t work anymore because too many women tell us they’re just being nice and not flirting with us.
Except that Lionesses are hunters. The Lionesses hunt and bring the food to the table, the Lion protects the pride and ensures that his bloodline will survive threats from those who would seek to usurp his pride's place.
She’s giving bad advice and I agree with her. The more of these women who wanna believe this stuff the more men will be saved from mediocre women who’d be a net negative
As a woman I recommend getting dating advice from a man to know what men want. I started watching men dating coaches when I was single and a year later I was engaged.
Nobody speaks on what I’m gonna say anymore. Women are natural enemies when dating. There’s a limited supply of good men and all women are chasing after the same small group. Women set each other up to fail everyday to make sure the next woman doesn’t get a good man even when the deceiving woman can’t get him for herself 😂 the hate, jealousy, and envy between women gets really ugly when it comes to dating.
Chisha you're lucky you're married now. Dating now is a horror story. That last chick IS nuts. She tried to use God and the Barbie movie to make her point and she REALLY thought that made sense 😂
She did all that talking and she said did men are hunters. What she didn’t say is that we are not scavengers. We don’t want a carcass. We’re not here to “clean up” what’s left over.
No man cares what they want. Stella doesn’t actually get her groove back. She keeps getting older, becomes bitter, tries to corrupt younger women, and stays single. Successful men their age are looking at younger women. Women like this don’t even show up on their radar. That… is why no one is approaching them. They don’t want them.
Elderly: Ageing, an inevitable process, is commonly measured by chronological age and, as a convention, a person aged 65 years or more is often referred to as 'elderly'.
A utopia is a perfect society that works for all people. The facts that the men had an uprising in barbie world shows that it was a dystopia not a utopia
Elderly for that type of behavior. Even if mature dates, we do so with dignity and fidelity. While not secrete, keeping it on the down low. The focus is companionship. At that stage of life, building and finding oneself is done. These broads are post menopausal going on adolescence....arrested development.
As men of a certain caliber age, they tend to place a high value on their peace of mind. When it comes to considering a particular dating prospect, these men will often conduct a cost benefit analysis. If the potential dating prospect is deemed a threat to their peace, most of these men will pass on the opportunity, having learned valuable lessons from past experiences. To put it bluntly, these men, now firmly set in their ways, will not tolerate drama. And older women, now set in their ways and having been known for drama, won’t tolerate having to change.
0:15 With today's Family Court laws are American women (all races) worth hunting? Especially when the divorce rates are so high! I doubt you'd drive a car with a high risk of failure.
The point is that a lot of men 40 plus worked their whole life and supported their family. Paid all the bills and then 90% of the time the wife decided to divorce and got half of his earned money. Let them pay 90% of the child support. Next to that after signing the contract here added value to the family became minimum. So we learned our lessons and not like to sign any contract to be robbed again.
The older woman hasn’t learned much. And they’re still holding on to the illusion of what they bring to “every man’s life” let alone the pain from 20 years ago. “I ain’t lettin no other man play me the way that last Ninja did!” Lol. It’s a trip out here y’all. Psst!...don’t let her know you have life insurance either. Real talk!
If he is the type of guy you would go for in your 40s or 50s....he probably can get a younger woman as he can attract both demographics who is willing to reciprocate interest and do things for that man as well.
Your right Chisha...im in my late 50s, and i haven't been excited about dating in several years. Ive been married and engaged several times. Looking back at all my relationships they all had one thing in common ...drama. Women seem to always have an idea of what a relationship and man should be... And when it doesn't match reality... This somehow becomes a mans problem. So Ive become much more comfortable being alone...and cherishing peace.
Men Logic: By age 40, most black women have been approached by, talked to, gone out with, gone out with but decided not to call him again, dated, or been engaged to at least TWO men that could’ve been great husbands to them.. But, most women, overlook those men for the man they WANT, versus the man they NEED. By age 50, it’s probably like four men.
Ah yes. Cheyenne still giving out advice even though she never made it to the altar after being engaged for a decade, knowing full well dude wasn't going all the way with her🤣🤣🤣🤣
Taking bad advice is like, being pregnant (engaged) but never delivering a baby and raising a child (never getting married and having a successful marriage). While you’ve almost made it there, and you may have some wisdom and book knowledge but it still hasn’t happened yet and your experience doesn’t make you all the qualified to speak on said subjects. Consult with people and couples that have ACTUAL experience, whether they are successfully married, divorced or widowed.
This is reverse psychology if I ever seen it, she’s trying to use this as protection from getting her feelings hurt as she is continuously seeing guys waking up and not wanting to date women with kids.
I’m getting a bad headache already only 2 mins in, I can’t take it anymore, but I do hope they continue to preach this, helps men stay left alone and happy, rather than leftover Empanists with an agenda
Single women will keep single women single. Furthermore, men are no longer hunters, they are fishermen with plenty of fish to select from. Men have the advantage.
But they still single ...now how is that possible now why would you women listen to older women that are single and just talking and not seeing what the man wants
Woman taking advice from other women is always a waste of time. Honestly these woman who go to therapy and have female therapists are also getting useless information.
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If you present yourself as prey, you attract Hunters or Predators, but whats the different?
Lol. Single older woman advising another to stay single. Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣
I support this bruh, I think it’s a great thing, it helps keep single men away from these leftover lunatics
Besides, by a certain age they are almost guaranteed to be empanists and who needs that
Nothing but facts, only simps pursue women
Exactly she’s setting herself to be hunted..I wonder how well that’s working out for her 🤔
Single older, aggressive and masculine tired of hearing this mess!!!!
nobody hate younger female more than old female.
Notice how she got hyper-fixated on the whole "chasing/hunting" part, but had nothing to say on the part of adding value to a man's life. Literal crickets and radio silence.
Because of somps, because men of values don't even look In these ran through birds direction.
She's setting this woman up to be lonely 4 life.
Free game: if you have to chase a woman, that means she’s running FROM you.
Exactly 💯
Facts, the real ones understand of she actually likes you, she’ll make it easy for you. And if she really likes you, she’ll roll out the red carpet. The men who sleep with women on the first night dont do it because the game is just that good, its because she wanted what she wanted
1.000% bro! 👍
That part
YA DIDN'T MISS ANY SHOTS
Listening to a women thats single in her 40's say take my advice on marriage makes me really pause. Women lead other women down the wrong path.
Misery, she loves company.
Single? Try lesbian. Jeezopete they taking information from THIS?
Imagine learning how to drive by someone without a drivers license or someone who always gets into accidents. 🤦🏽♂️
I'm so glad you get it and understand.
The blind leading the blind.
I’m starting to realize that when it comes to relationships, some women still have the mentality of a teenager….
Exactly!!!! I know a lot of 40yr old 14 yr olds😂😂
Man.. but they swear they grow up faster than men
@@jackboy2472 they mature faster than men but stop maturing at 12
@@kevinagain0722 That is not correct, it's neither at a fixed age nor does it stop. Women mature (usually earlier and) faster in both body and brain function because of a simple reason. Children. They need to be "more ready" sooner because of that potential task. And that is where rubber meets the road. That task. So, they get a major boost once puberty kicks in, and then it slows down and both sexes hit full development at around 25. Past that there's some neuroplasticity, but there won't be any earth shattering changes, bar some disease, accident, etc...
Obviously that is all under the, until now true, assumption they were being raised to be adults. But if you raise them to keep on being children, well... you get grown u children.
Not some , ALL OF THEM .
Some Women say a bunch of nothing these days 😂
Some? It’s most, they don’t talk for only communication. Most of the time it’s to make themselves feel better or elicit some emotional response in others
That’s half the Bible lmao Most of it is stay away from crazies
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That lady is a lesbian of course she ain't hunting men.....Black women gotta start getting who they getting information from. Wow
So many words. So little time@@eddiejohnson4434
This woman is not a Doctor even though she claims to be and gives advice to women dating men when she’s a Lesbian🤦🏾♂️
Cheyenne rolls like that? Sheesh🤣🤣🤣
She is an absolute lezzy. Giving advice to heterosexual women. This is madness...absolutely madness
That part 😅
Wow, facts?
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As a man married over thirty years! What man is signing up for this mess? Broken older women ruining young women lives.
the best advice that I ever received was when I was checking out a woman in the gym, i broke my neck to get a second look. an older man said, "you young fellows, all you care about is getting in, but men my age first think about getting out" I truly understand and live it totally
💯 that man was totally right you better listen and take heed
Again this woman who is allegedly not even into men is giving women who want men advice.. make It make sense 😅😂
It’s crazy. I’m surprised she’s even on this panel 💀💀
GHATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. She being hunted by chicks.
They all want men subliminally. ALL OF EM.
Exactly
@@hisghettopointofview she most definitely is a lesbian.
Single women keep single women single
A lot of shaming language. She is an older black woman, which is the least popular demographic. I don't think she can afford to not take any action. Its retoric like this that is responsible for black woman being the most single and highest divorced rates.
The fact that they are out here is the biggest red flag. Good women are not bitter and single.
Back in the day a 60 yo women would already be married with her factory worker husband making 60k a year and they’d live happy ever after I think her standards are keepin her single
The woman that said she is setting herself to be hunted where are hunters hunting you? Why haven't you been got? The only thing you're settling yourself up for is loneliness.
and busted walls
At her big age...smdh
Because she is Babs Bunny and Elmer Fudd really don't want to catch her!😂 He just playing!😂
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😂 why do we need to hunt when their is an over supply of goods desperate to be bought. The delusion 😂
Lol facts, isn't it what they say... There are more women than men right 😂
Say it again
It's a bad analogy that applies to a different stage of civilization. And the woman she's talking to, has aged out of such an example.
THIS!!! 👆👆👆
These women say what men should or are supposed to do for them , but no idea what they should or supposed to do for men. It's sad..❤
I swear in the minds of women like this their words are like poetry.
The reality is it sounds like the ramblings of the guy that lives behind the dumpster of the grocery store.
Hahahaha
Up there with Malcolm, MLK & Nelson Mandela
I dont think women know most hunting is waiting for the prey
Truth!!
Fishing too
They watch a few 30 second clips from animal planet and think they know it all
I was just thinking that. It's crazy she thought she was on point too.
...or that most hunters aren't out here hunting cougars..
Question? If women out number men in average of 4 to 1? Who's really the prize in the numbers alone?😂
Exactly
From the beginning, men have always been the prize. Read Genesis.
at what point in history did men HUNT women?
Real men have always gone out to look for a wife. It's just a figure of speech
Great question
WELL IN THE STONE AGE IF MEN WERE HUNTIN' WOMEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD(*PUN INTENDED*) PURPOSE OF MEN WERE HUNTIN' WAS FO' FOOD BASICALLY MOST OF THE TIME
They didn’t lol. Thats why women used to come with dowry’s. It was a fathers way of bribing men to marry their daughters 😂
Female lions do more hunting than male lions
Those type of women been running that same logic for the first 60 years, so how did that work out so far.
WE WOULD NEVER KNOW COMRADE WE WOULD NEVER KNOW
They be running from the hunter for 50 years
😅Wild dogs don't hunt water buffalo😂
Yes, they do. They hunt to eat😊
@TamikoRWhite no they don't they hunt impala, water Buffalo are a for sure death sentence for wild dogs🤦🏾
Wild dogs are opportunistic predators that hunt a wide variety of prey, including antelopes, warthogs, wildebeest calves, rats, and birds.
A single buffalo can weigh up to 30 times more than a wild dog
@@TamikoRWhite Hyenas can, not W.D
@@iceoxander what about a pack of 30 wild dogs hunting a calf? You did say they were opportunistic hunters and im sure this scenario has played out 1000 times
7:20 My man remembered me from over 20yrs ago & began to investigate to find me. (Life separated us. I never friend-zoned him!) He didn't want to freak me out by coming on too strong, so I eventually told him I liked him. It's only gotten better since I said something! We have to be worth finding, but we also have to let men know that the hunt is worth the effort!!!
Notice how life between yall got better once you spoke real words? If most women did this there would be less confusion. Men can’t read minds and women suck at giving hints or even letting the guy know she likes him. I’ve had women hit on me but they did a crap job. The smiling and moving your hair thing doesn’t work anymore because too many women tell us they’re just being nice and not flirting with us.
Except that Lionesses are hunters. The Lionesses hunt and bring the food to the table, the Lion protects the pride and ensures that his bloodline will survive threats from those who would seek to usurp his pride's place.
They DO attract who they are: Pookie, Ray Ray, and Chad.
Hahaha
THEY DESERVE EACH OTHER TO BE TRULY HONEST AND UPFRONT
Facts!!!
She’s giving bad advice and I agree with her. The more of these women who wanna believe this stuff the more men will be saved from mediocre women who’d be a net negative
As a woman I recommend getting dating advice from a man to know what men want. I started watching men dating coaches when I was single and a year later I was engaged.
Nobody speaks on what I’m gonna say anymore. Women are natural enemies when dating. There’s a limited supply of good men and all women are chasing after the same small group. Women set each other up to fail everyday to make sure the next woman doesn’t get a good man even when the deceiving woman can’t get him for herself 😂 the hate, jealousy, and envy between women gets really ugly when it comes to dating.
Chisha you're lucky you're married now. Dating now is a horror story. That last chick IS nuts. She tried to use God and the Barbie movie to make her point and she REALLY thought that made sense 😂
No one can hunt in the streets where 304s are everywhere, its open season 24/7/365.
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She did all that talking and she said did men are hunters. What she didn’t say is that we are not scavengers. We don’t want a carcass. We’re not here to “clean up” what’s left over.
No man cares what they want. Stella doesn’t actually get her groove back. She keeps getting older, becomes bitter, tries to corrupt younger women, and stays single. Successful men their age are looking at younger women. Women like this don’t even show up on their radar. That… is why no one is approaching them. They don’t want them.
Studies show women who make the first move often get married .
This women here is setting her up for failure !!!!!
That’s what these kind of women do. Misery loves company.
😂😂😭😅
Shi!!!! Looks like ol girl already failed!😅
@blackhawk6615 DAMNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
Predators hunt for live, viable prey....
They don't hunt for roadkill.
🤣🤣true that
Buzzards, vultures, and hyenas do...🤣
@dcogent1 MY G YA WALKED UP THE ROOM TO GET HEADSHOTS ONLY
Who in the hell carries $2k on themselves like that?
Dr Bryant set herself up to be the prey so she can be hunted but she’s still single. The hunters are avoiding you sis
So essentially she said it in her rant,”YOU ATTRACT WHAT YOU ARE….”
Hence if you’re getting a certain thing, then that’s what you are ma’am.
A fake doctor telling a fake pastor who is a womaniser ,that her father was a womaniser is crazy work
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Elderly: Ageing, an inevitable process, is commonly measured by chronological age and, as a convention, a person aged 65 years or more is often referred to as 'elderly'.
Last lady saw a movie and took that as her perspective on society…can we even take people like that seriously?
WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION👁👁👁👁👀👀
Yes you're being hunted sister, the problem is every time someone shoots you, you jump up and keep running again
A utopia is a perfect society that works for all people. The facts that the men had an uprising in barbie world shows that it was a dystopia not a utopia
I could of sworn that Byrant lady don't even date men🤣🤣🤣
She will set herself up to be alone…
They are afraid to approach because that will force them to be serious, spend their hard-earned money and not play games. 😂
I’m salty you called them elderly cause I’m pushin 50! 😂🤣
Elderly for that type of behavior. Even if mature dates, we do so with dignity and fidelity. While not secrete, keeping it on the down low. The focus is companionship. At that stage of life, building and finding oneself is done. These broads are post menopausal going on adolescence....arrested development.
Just ask, "And how is that working out for you?"
As men of a certain caliber age, they tend to place a high value on their peace of mind. When it comes to considering a particular dating prospect, these men will often conduct a cost benefit analysis. If the potential dating prospect is deemed a threat to their peace, most of these men will pass on the opportunity, having learned valuable lessons from past experiences. To put it bluntly, these men, now firmly set in their ways, will not tolerate drama. And older women, now set in their ways and having been known for drama, won’t tolerate having to change.
The dirt is toxic in these fields,we don’t have any good crops
NO GOOD CROPS WHAT??? IT WAS DEAD SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME
Word salad BS…!
0:15 With today's Family Court laws are American women (all races) worth hunting? Especially when the divorce rates are so high! I doubt you'd drive a car with a high risk of failure.
How a single woman can give advice to another single woman on how to get a man?? That’s crazy
Let me want until the end. Maybe she isn’t single.
The point is that a lot of men 40 plus worked their whole life and supported their family. Paid all the bills and then 90% of the time the wife decided to divorce and got half of his earned money. Let them pay 90% of the child support. Next to that after signing the contract here added value to the family became minimum. So we learned our lessons and not like to sign any contract to be robbed again.
Getting flown out is the new way of saying prostitution???
THERE'S VARIOUS OF TRICKS THAT COMES TO IT
Can you imagine that? So it sounds like it is legal..
Kevin Samuels was so right.......
The older woman hasn’t learned much. And they’re still holding on to the illusion of what they bring to “every man’s life” let alone the pain from 20 years ago. “I ain’t lettin no other man play me the way that last Ninja did!” Lol. It’s a trip out here y’all. Psst!...don’t let her know you have life insurance either. Real talk!
This is a new breed of women in the game. These ain't the relics of the 80's and 90's.
COMRADES WE KNOW IT'S A LIABILITY ALWAYS WILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE
If he is the type of guy you would go for in your 40s or 50s....he probably can get a younger woman as he can attract both demographics who is willing to reciprocate interest and do things for that man as well.
They sound so bitter...mad for no reason. I'll pass. Attitude too much
Let them talk. All they’re doing is advertising their diminished value! 😅
Feminism has done one HELLA of a job 🙄
You a 10, you go girl 😂
Your right Chisha...im in my late 50s, and i haven't been excited about dating in several years. Ive been married and engaged several times. Looking back at all my relationships they all had one thing in common ...drama. Women seem to always have an idea of what a relationship and man should be... And when it doesn't match reality... This somehow becomes a mans problem. So Ive become much more comfortable being alone...and cherishing peace.
Men Logic: By age 40, most black women have been approached by, talked to, gone out with, gone out with but decided not to call him again, dated, or been engaged to at least TWO men that could’ve been great husbands to them..
But, most women, overlook those men for the man they WANT, versus the man they NEED.
By age 50, it’s probably like four men.
You are 50, start baking cakes for your grandkids and stay out the streets 😂
There is nothing wrong with a woman initiating approach to a man however that man has to question whether "this woman" will rob him of his peace.
She has hunted for Curtis 50 cent 😂
Ah yes. Cheyenne still giving out advice even though she never made it to the altar after being engaged for a decade, knowing full well dude wasn't going all the way with her🤣🤣🤣🤣
2 failed engagements, 2 called off weddings
A lot of damaged goods that have not been properly prepared.
Taking bad advice is like, being pregnant (engaged) but never delivering a baby and raising a child (never getting married and having a successful marriage).
While you’ve almost made it there, and you may have some wisdom and book knowledge but it still hasn’t happened yet and your experience doesn’t make you all the qualified to speak on said subjects.
Consult with people and couples that have ACTUAL experience, whether they are successfully married, divorced or widowed.
"It's not worth it." I'm gen X and can say that you hit the nail on the head.
If you don't ask for what you want, don't be surprised if you get absolutely nothing.
This is the very reason why I don’t talk to older women about relationships. They usually start babbling nonsense.
bro is a genius he tricked on her with her own money 😂😂😂😂😂
This is reverse psychology if I ever seen it, she’s trying to use this as protection from getting her feelings hurt as she is continuously seeing guys waking up and not wanting to date women with kids.
I’m getting a bad headache already only 2 mins in, I can’t take it anymore, but I do hope they continue to preach this, helps men stay left alone and happy, rather than leftover Empanists with an agenda
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Hilarious says the 41 year old with a liquor license??? Lol😊😅😂
That's that fake doctor lady 😂😂😂
After hunting,they don't want you to eat it
1:55 sounds like she making her to be a victim
The delusion is at an all time high!!
INTERNATIONALLY
Grifters gonna grift, she's selling hope like the rest.
Only person hunting them is pookie and ray ray. 😂 Normal men are at home or out of the country traveling.
Single women will keep single women single. Furthermore, men are no longer hunters, they are fishermen with plenty of fish to select from. Men have the advantage.
She chases the same thing men chase. Make it make sense.
It's like shopping at the thrift store for love.
After all that I’m surprised collection plates weren’t passed around 😂
Please stop calling this woman a Doctor.... the school she got her supposed Doctorate from doesn't even exist anymore.
She took the long way to say I’m a pick me..😂😂
But they still single ...now how is that possible now why would you women listen to older women that are single and just talking and not seeing what the man wants
Woman taking advice from other women is always a waste of time. Honestly these woman who go to therapy and have female therapists are also getting useless information.