I'd like to point out the fact that I saw you had eco mode enabled. You're not going to get any kind of responsiveness with that thing on. I definitely notice a difference in throttle when it's enabled, and I haven't found that it really saves gas.
Romeo W what are you talking about. You’re comparing a qx60 to an v6 accord at acceleration. I own a 2019 qx60 and a 2017 Honda Accord v6 touring. The touring will blow the qx60 away in a heart beat..no comparison
I own both the QX60 and the Accord and my experience is based on actual driving experience. Do you own the Infiniti QX60 too or to be more specific can afford one to purchase and maintain?
The heated seats don’t bother me like they do most. I had a 04 Acura TL before this one and like the heated mirrors I wouldn’t have either one on for more then 5 minutes. Any longer is overkill. Volume knob gone doesn’t bother me as well since my cars for the past 10-15 years have had the controls in the steering wheel, which I use 99% of the time, but that’s me. All cars can always have things to make them better💯
The real problems I have with my 2017 Touring are: 1. The adaptive cruise control shuts off under 25mph, meanwhile 2016 Civics have adaptive cruise control WITH low speed follow. This is a critical missing feature on the Accord for those in urban areas where highway traffic is common. Having this feature the Civic will inch along with the car in front of you without driver input, whereas the Accord cannot. 2. The passenger seat has no height adjustability. So leg support is very poor for those on the passenger side. The driver’s seat has height adjustability as well as lumbar support.
Ryan Gehret tbh I don’t usually like leaving this feature on my accord longer than a few minutes anyways. Just like the heated mirrors. My 04 ACURA TL was the same way. Guess I’m just used to it.
I agree with the transmission that's why I play with my car until I adjusted it it's perfect now I can care less I don't use the heated seats as far as the radio that's the real that's one of the main reasons why I bought the car it looks clean no buttons and the fact that I think that body stylist great looks gorgeous
I have a 2017 accord touring v6 also and I don’t know why you guys love the volume knob, they suck because, they wear out thru time of use that’s why the touch control is better..
Circling back to this video because I'm the recent owner of a 2016 V6 Touring. Definitely agree regarding the infotainment. But Honda/Acura has always struggled in this area. In terms of looks, these are subjective. However, the most prevalent sentiment is that this is one of the best designed versions to to date. (The 8th gen -- of which I was also an owner, 12 EX Sedan -- was the most bloated until the 11th gen came along and took that crown.) So, with respect to general style, chrome accents and lack of seating support, Honda really didnt intend this to be an type of sports sedan, though there is some sportiness injected into the setup. For that, one would probably need to look more at the TLX.
Bro, I will agree with SOME of what you said (the infotainment and sound quality for sure) but this is hands down one of the cleanest and nicest Accords made yet. Have a 03 V6 EX-L and to this day, with 250k on it, runs like a taped plate (I know that’s not what it is but….Karen’s of the world) I’m actually purchasing a 17’ Touring in a few days to replace my other Accord. Good video tho
I also have a 2003 Accord V6 in mint. Condition with 115k. I have found a 2017 3.5 liter for 26k with 23k mikes. Looks bad ass. Hard to pull the trigger with my mint condition 2003 that is paid for. What you think?
@@azariahisrael5632 I 💯 would buy one. Not just saying that cause I own one lol. I am utterly overall impressed with every single thing about it. Power delivery is amazing. Handles great and is super comfortable. Since I bought it three weeks ago, I am constantly getting compliments on it (it’s not longer stock so I assume that plays a roll). The best part about the 17? Is it reminds me of all the great things about the 03’s. They haven’t lost the feel of the Accord. They just made it better. I’d personally pull that trigger lol
@@raya74 oh it’s still incredible. Even more so now. I have added many exterior mods with tasteful carbon fiber placed throughout (it’s black on black) and first mod I did was a Takeda intake and that actually did something imo. Then I pieced together a supercharger kit (Rotrex mixed with some other goodies) and just recently bought a K-tuner flash V2 and have my appointment set up for a dyno tune in the next two weeks. I love the car. Yes there are some things I don’t care for. So instead, I just replaced it (like the ‘wood trim’ in the interior I bought carbon fiber inserts and it looks incredible and changes the entire attitude of the interior) Still the best accord I’ve ever owned and I’ve owned 4. Personally I like the sedans better than the coupes but either way, 9/10 all day.
@Farewell_ To_Normalcy good to know cause with inflation I paid way too much but I've been wanting v6 for a long time it was low kms I plan on keeping it for some time
I have the pleasure of owning a 2016Honda AccordV6Touring coupe. I didn't buy the car for the radio, it may not be the best buy it works fine. Yes radios have improved besides a radio is not as important in a car the way it use to be. The supposed hot and cold heated seat is inconsequential, no one critiques cars on the temp of the heated seats. Only luxury cars and this car is a very very good near luxury car. The looks are great. My 2016 is approaching a decade old, it looks great, contemporary, it garners attention from girls
Anyone have problems with the transmission specifically the V6 touring model with 6spd showing a "transmission system problem" warning light on the dash??
I am so glad I watched this video! It made me truly appreciate my being gen Z. I simply could not put up with being in my own company if I whined incecently.
The 6 speed auto that this accord has, was really good when it came out in 2013, in 2017 Honda created their own 10 speed automatic and everybody says is almost a perfect transmission, is very smooth, it has very short gears and is very quick to shift and the response is very quick, and the response of the paddle shifters in this transmission is very quick, sad that Honda never put it in this V6 accord 😔 it may have been very good but they put it in the new accord with the 2.0T that also works really good
I laughed my ass off when you said the heated seat was luke warm or scorching hot LOL...im glad im not the only one who thought this.. and the 6spd manual is a dream!!
Lol. I thought I was the only one who thinks the heated seats will turn your nuts into a hard boiled egg. No kids for Honda Accord Dad’s. I guess as this car will turn you into sterile. May as well change the model into “no legacy”
Or you can just hit source from anywhere... you just dnt seem that tech savy. Why go thru everything you did just to change the source when the button is right there? Also wantin super response while drivin in eco mode!!? You sound new to the car scene
As far as the seat heaters are concerned, I wish they would just give the customer the option of cloth or leather. Leather is so much colder in the winter and hotter in the summer time, and I would just rather have seats that didn’t freeze (or burn) my posterior upon contact.
In my opinion. For those owner with this year with the V6, I’d say keep it. It’s the last Accord with that beautiful buttery smooth V6 and the most beautiful by far. My opinion, that is all.
I sway in the seats uncomfortably in my touring as well in these seats. Yes, comfy seats, but not bolstered for Sport. This Touring has Sport touches and finishes...though this is not a Sport's cars...keep that in mind.
I know this is an old video, but thought I'd comment on the Sport mode. I have a 17 V6 Accord EX-L and the sport mode really is quite good when on a track. I autocross mine and the transmission never seems to be in the wrong gear. I'll agree for driving on the road it's really bad. It probably should be called "track" mode. This car is a bit of sleeper though.. certainly not the fastest car on the track, but I get quite a few comments about how surprised they are with my times (so far I've been running stock setup plus high performance tires). I certainly had to agree with your comment on needing better bolstering.. I'm all over that seat when going around the track!
I totally agree… the transmission is not the best. It downshifts slow & is a bit clunky. Too bad cus you have an awesome V6 yet this tranny is subpar. Also it locks out 1st gear even in sport mode meaning it doesn’t hold 1st gear long enough.
Hey don't worry about the scorching hot setting. If it is like my wife's Accord the scorching hot will degrade to little more than luke warm. You just didn't read far enough into the manual to find out about that feature. Wife needs a new car. I have no idea what to get her. Might have to try Volvo. At the end of the day my fried, Honda's are price point cars.
It would seem that your Chinese wife seems to be ok with your affinity for Japanese cars, my Chinese wife however is not!! After two Bimmers I don't remember how I got her into the Accord but it aint' going to happen again.
Oh yeah the "Source" button on the Steering Column is what gets you from FM to AM, to XM to iPOD, etc. Works that way on her car and on my '13. Guess they changed that on the Type R. The right to left button will scroll you through your presets.
How can you say the “older generation” accord is nicer when this is literally the same body, they changed the bumpers and headlight and grills up a little
Honda said that this 6 speed is programmed to have 2 personalities, if you have it in drive it response slower because is “always” trying to save fuel, if you have it on S (sport) the transmission response is a lot quicker and it even downshifts while you are braking and another thing that I asked Honda, why if the accord sport sedan with the CVT have paddle shifters ( with no gears) why the V6 sedan ( with real gears) it doesn’t have the paddle shifters it doesn’t make any sense
Honestly the transmissions are all sh!t. I had an 07 and now the 16, they both feel the same. The 16 has 1 more gear and a bit more power but generally the same
You just had the wrong Accord my friend. I have a 2014 EX-L V6 Coupe and while the tranny can be rough at times, it is very responsive and the paddle shifters are on point. I specifically didn't buy the 9th gen refresh(2016 & 2017 because of the missing volume knob and the too bold of a front grill. I bought mine when it was 4 years old. Btw, turning the eco mode off would have helped. And its actually not good to ride like that all the time. Plus you weren't using all cylinders if the trim level had the capability. Yours did not reflect the Accords I knew and know. Thanks for sharing though.
This model is great! The ONLY thing I don’t like about the ‘18 is the rear end.. that’s really it. But I still want one:P Went to Honda yesterday to try nd get seduced into buying one but the salesman was really short with me cuz of the color of my skin so I said FUCK you
This is the Sharpest Honda on the Road. Much nicer then the New Body Style
Yup
It depends on who you ask, but I would say that the 9th generation of the Accord is the best looking one they ever made.
@@joshuawick5382 Yeah, it actually looks like a luxury sedan.
sounds more like whining about minimal issues and going out of your way to look for negatives. "it's really good but they could do a better job" weak
Literally own this car everything you said was the complete opposite lol
100%
😂😂
Seconded.
switch off the econ button and the transmission might be faster
No change either way unfortunately
FlyinGato
You must be Blind
@@FlyinGato you're trippin
@@FlyinGatoif you don’t notice a difference with how faster the car is with ECO turned OFF then you might be a disabled person with no patience at all
I'd like to point out the fact that I saw you had eco mode enabled. You're not going to get any kind of responsiveness with that thing on. I definitely notice a difference in throttle when it's enabled, and I haven't found that it really saves gas.
Romeo W what are you talking about. You’re comparing a qx60 to an v6 accord at acceleration. I own a 2019 qx60 and a 2017 Honda Accord v6 touring. The touring will blow the qx60 away in a heart beat..no comparison
I own both the QX60 and the Accord and my experience is based on actual driving experience. Do you own the Infiniti QX60 too or to be more specific can afford one to purchase and maintain?
@@albo5256 Any problems with that touring so far?
My mpgs is better on sport mode on 7th gear than it does with Econ on.
This. Our 17 pilot is an absolute slug with eco mode on. The V6 Accord is and ALWAYS be the wolf in sheepz clothing.
I disagree with everything you said. And that's coming from the owner of a 2017 Accord Coupe EXL V6 automatic
Wow that’s the last time that dealer gives you a loaner bro hahaha
Your Lucky you even have that car
The chrome is nice you trippen hard
Dude its a sedan for a family car not a sports car lol
It kills
Lots of sport
Cars
It's both
Replacing the throttle position sensor will improve the response time and it’s better at downshifting when you turn eco off 🤦♂️
Bro drove this car the entire time and video with eco turned on I can’t stop laughing 😂
The heated seats don’t bother me like they do most. I had a 04 Acura TL before this one and like the heated mirrors I wouldn’t have either one on for more then 5 minutes. Any longer is overkill. Volume knob gone doesn’t bother me as well since my cars for the past 10-15 years have had the controls in the steering wheel, which I use 99% of the time, but that’s me. All cars can always have things to make them better💯
The real problems I have with my 2017 Touring are:
1. The adaptive cruise control shuts off under 25mph, meanwhile 2016 Civics have adaptive cruise control WITH low speed follow. This is a critical missing feature on the Accord for those in urban areas where highway traffic is common. Having this feature the Civic will inch along with the car in front of you without driver input, whereas the Accord cannot.
2. The passenger seat has no height adjustability. So leg support is very poor for those on the passenger side. The driver’s seat has height adjustability as well as lumbar support.
I noticed that on my sport. Imo I think that’s what it should be as far as the passenger and placement of airbags
Totally agree with the heated seats, I can't stand the HI setting for more than 5 minutes, and the LO setting isn't warm enough.
Ryan Gehret tbh I don’t usually like leaving this feature on my accord longer than a few minutes anyways. Just like the heated mirrors. My 04 ACURA TL was the same way. Guess I’m just used to it.
I agree with the transmission that's why I play with my car until I adjusted it it's perfect now I can care less I don't use the heated seats as far as the radio that's the real that's one of the main reasons why I bought the car it looks clean no buttons and the fact that I think that body stylist great looks gorgeous
how the hell did you ajust the tranny??
I have a 2017 accord touring v6 also and I don’t know why you guys love the volume knob, they suck because, they wear out thru time of use that’s why the touch control is better..
Can someone please tell me where the heck the aux is?
this is an idiotic review. the somewhat ineffective low heat setting is a valid gripe, but the rest is bogus.
How so
Your driving on economy mode dude! And I never miss a volume knob! Love my Honda Accord!
Right on!
Circling back to this video because I'm the recent owner of a 2016 V6 Touring. Definitely agree regarding the infotainment. But Honda/Acura has always struggled in this area. In terms of looks, these are subjective. However, the most prevalent sentiment is that this is one of the best designed versions to to date. (The 8th gen -- of which I was also an owner, 12 EX Sedan -- was the most bloated until the 11th gen came along and took that crown.) So, with respect to general style, chrome accents and lack of seating support, Honda really didnt intend this to be an type of sports sedan, though there is some sportiness injected into the setup. For that, one would probably need to look more at the TLX.
Bro, I will agree with SOME of what you said (the infotainment and sound quality for sure) but this is hands down one of the cleanest and nicest Accords made yet. Have a 03 V6 EX-L and to this day, with 250k on it, runs like a taped plate (I know that’s not what it is but….Karen’s of the world)
I’m actually purchasing a 17’ Touring in a few days to replace my other Accord.
Good video tho
I also have a 2003 Accord V6 in mint. Condition with 115k. I have found a 2017 3.5 liter for 26k with 23k mikes. Looks bad ass. Hard to pull the trigger with my mint condition 2003 that is paid for. What you think?
@@azariahisrael5632 I 💯 would buy one. Not just saying that cause I own one lol. I am utterly overall impressed with every single thing about it. Power delivery is amazing. Handles great and is super comfortable. Since I bought it three weeks ago, I am constantly getting compliments on it (it’s not longer stock so I assume that plays a roll).
The best part about the 17? Is it reminds me of all the great things about the 03’s. They haven’t lost the feel of the Accord. They just made it better. I’d personally pull that trigger lol
Hey how has it held up?
@@raya74 oh it’s still incredible. Even more so now. I have added many exterior mods with tasteful carbon fiber placed throughout (it’s black on black) and first mod I did was a Takeda intake and that actually did something imo. Then I pieced together a supercharger kit (Rotrex mixed with some other goodies) and just recently bought a K-tuner flash V2 and have my appointment set up for a dyno tune in the next two weeks. I love the car. Yes there are some things I don’t care for. So instead, I just replaced it (like the ‘wood trim’ in the interior I bought carbon fiber inserts and it looks incredible and changes the entire attitude of the interior)
Still the best accord I’ve ever owned and I’ve owned 4. Personally I like the sedans better than the coupes but either way, 9/10 all day.
@Farewell_ To_Normalcy good to know cause with inflation I paid way too much but I've been wanting v6 for a long time it was low kms I plan on keeping it for some time
Well just bought this car for my wife and we love it!
I have the pleasure of owning a 2016Honda AccordV6Touring coupe.
I didn't buy the car for the radio, it may not be the best buy it works fine. Yes radios have improved besides a radio is not as important in a car the way it use to be.
The supposed hot and cold heated seat is inconsequential, no one critiques cars on the temp of the heated seats. Only luxury cars and this car is a very very good near luxury car.
The looks are great. My 2016 is approaching a decade old, it looks great, contemporary, it garners attention from girls
Anyone have problems with the transmission specifically the V6 touring model with 6spd showing a "transmission system problem" warning light on the dash??
Torque converter unfortunately 😢
I am so glad I watched this video! It made me truly appreciate my being gen Z.
I simply could not put up with being in my own company if I whined incecently.
Have you driven the 2018 model?. If so, which model is better from your perspective (driving, styling, etc)
I have a review of the 2018 1.5t touring, check it out. I'll reserve my comparisons for when I get the 2.0t review done
2017 model smokes the 2018....much better lookin.
I personally don't mind the 0.5 second lag on the throttle response, I like to wait to get thrown back in my seat as the vtec kicks in
Damn dude my 2016 has zero of the issue you speak of except for the sound system.
The 6 speed auto that this accord has, was really good when it came out in 2013, in 2017 Honda created their own 10 speed automatic and everybody says is almost a perfect transmission, is very smooth, it has very short gears and is very quick to shift and the response is very quick, and the response of the paddle shifters in this transmission is very quick, sad that Honda never put it in this V6 accord 😔 it may have been very good but they put it in the new accord with the 2.0T that also works really good
I laughed my ass off when you said the heated seat was luke warm or scorching hot LOL...im glad im not the only one who thought this..
and the 6spd manual is a dream!!
I really want to find a 6 speed manual to review
well mine is a 16' dont think there was any diff between 16'-17'. You can review mine if you want.
are you close to the NJ/NY/PA area?
Lol. I thought I was the only one who thinks the heated seats will turn your nuts into a hard boiled egg. No kids for Honda Accord Dad’s. I guess as this car will turn you into sterile. May as well change the model into “no legacy”
Acura v6 has that same lag! I think it's the difference between timing belt and timing chain v6. My v6 Toyota doesn't lag like that
Or you can just hit source from anywhere... you just dnt seem that tech savy. Why go thru everything you did just to change the source when the button is right there?
Also wantin super response while drivin in eco mode!!? You sound new to the car scene
Say what you want @FlyinGato that S Mode is a beast on any given highway, parkway etc. I left many a victim humbly and quietly many a day!
That v6 is a gem
That’s your opinion. I love mine.
As far as the seat heaters are concerned, I wish they would just give the customer the option of cloth or leather. Leather is so much colder in the winter and hotter in the summer time, and I would just rather have seats that didn’t freeze (or burn) my posterior upon contact.
Can you make a vlog-type video detailing everything being done to the ctr?
I'm on my way to pick her up right now! Your video will be up today or tomorrow 😁😁
Been driving my accord for 15 years.
And the 2018 look so much better? You ever try a CVT? I guess you like the boosted small displacement as well. Lol
Cvts are the worst. I also prefer the V6 for sure, just didn't like the chrome all over the Accord
In my opinion. For those owner with this year with the V6, I’d say keep it. It’s the last Accord with that beautiful buttery smooth V6 and the most beautiful by far. My opinion, that is all.
MELORICKY trust me you’re the unsilent majority lol 👍🏾👌🏾💯😎
I sway in the seats uncomfortably in my touring as well in these seats. Yes, comfy seats, but not bolstered for Sport. This Touring has Sport touches and finishes...though this is not a Sport's cars...keep that in mind.
since you dont like your 2017 touring you wanna trade for my 2015 exl v6? it seems both of us would prefer the other car better lol
I know this is an old video, but thought I'd comment on the Sport mode. I have a 17 V6 Accord EX-L and the sport mode really is quite good when on a track. I autocross mine and the transmission never seems to be in the wrong gear. I'll agree for driving on the road it's really bad. It probably should be called "track" mode. This car is a bit of sleeper though.. certainly not the fastest car on the track, but I get quite a few comments about how surprised they are with my times (so far I've been running stock setup plus high performance tires). I certainly had to agree with your comment on needing better bolstering.. I'm all over that seat when going around the track!
The dude in the video had the car on eco mode and is wo during why he's not getting the throttle response he wants
I totally agree… the transmission is not the best.
It downshifts slow & is a bit clunky.
Too bad cus you have an awesome V6 yet this tranny is subpar.
Also it locks out 1st gear even in sport mode meaning it doesn’t hold 1st gear long enough.
switching sources, etc. #2 on your list should also be scrolled thru on the steering wheel, much easier.
Hey don't worry about the scorching hot setting. If it is like my wife's Accord the scorching hot will degrade to little more than luke warm. You just didn't read far enough into the manual to find out about that feature. Wife needs a new car. I have no idea what to get her. Might have to try Volvo. At the end of the day my fried, Honda's are price point cars.
It's true. For the wife try an entry level Lexus, I hear good things. New Mazda 6 is pretty good too
It would seem that your Chinese wife seems to be ok with your affinity for Japanese cars, my Chinese wife however is not!! After two Bimmers I don't remember how I got her into the Accord but it aint' going to happen again.
Haha! Her car is a highly tuned 335d!!! The Chinese and their bimmers... Lol
Oh yeah the "Source" button on the Steering Column is what gets you from FM to AM, to XM to iPOD, etc. Works that way on her car and on my '13. Guess they changed that on the Type R. The right to left button will scroll you through your presets.
Its power band is not in lower revs but mid range and higher revs it compensate for it
How can you say the “older generation” accord is nicer when this is literally the same body, they changed the bumpers and headlight and grills up a little
This transmission does slip and is sluggish in downshifts, etc. Had it now for 3 years (2016 Touring), I can attest.
When slowing down cars feels terrible I have 2013 v6
Honda said that this 6 speed is programmed to have 2 personalities, if you have it in drive it response slower because is “always” trying to save fuel, if you have it on S (sport) the transmission response is a lot quicker and it even downshifts while you are braking and another thing that I asked Honda, why if the accord sport sedan with the CVT have paddle shifters ( with no gears) why the V6 sedan ( with real gears) it doesn’t have the paddle shifters it doesn’t make any sense
That's the time gas takes to get to the engine .your gas tank is in the back the engine is in the front
Sell me it then ! Shiiii 😭
I own this car! You sound a lil salty! Get a life my guy! This car is perfect!
Hey I just bought one how has it held up?
its a family sedan not an s2000
Best thing is the v 6 engine
Radio is fine bose system is better with subs.
All i hear is this guy talking shit about a car he'll "miss"
Heating seats are fine are you kidding heated seats.are fine,
Just keep the price 25k loaded
20k for the basic model.
almost 12 min long video to go over a 2 min list.. please stop wasting so much time.
He thinks he should get a $300,000 Italian sports car in a Honda accord family sedan. Thumbs down!!!
Lol this review sucks. You have no idea what to complain about. The transmission responds as fast as any automatic I’ve seen in a commuter car
Nah it sucks, rather have the manual
FlyinGato the 4 door didn’t come manual only the coupe. And of course, i would too. As enthusiasts that’s a given. Lol
Finally were going. Good gosh
the two level heated seats are SO annoying. I have that in my odyssey. lol
Needs that medium setting!
Camry has a fully variable control for the heated seats.
Now I'm at the end of the video... 👀
What about the awkward silent moments that's a terrible feature
Honestly the transmissions are all sh!t. I had an 07 and now the 16, they both feel the same. The 16 has 1 more gear and a bit more power but generally the same
Absolutely not
Turn the ECO off it makes the car faster on any car if you turn it off🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ wow
Turn your eco off....it will accelerate alot better 😂
I love my accord
One sec to get gas from tank to engine it is perfect .watch drag racing finally one sec to accelerate. I don't like the chrome. Black it out.
You just had the wrong Accord my friend. I have a 2014 EX-L V6 Coupe and while the tranny can be rough at times, it is very responsive and the paddle shifters are on point. I specifically didn't buy the 9th gen refresh(2016 & 2017 because of the missing volume knob and the too bold of a front grill. I bought mine when it was 4 years old. Btw, turning the eco mode off would have helped. And its actually not good to ride like that all the time. Plus you weren't using all cylinders if the trim level had the capability. Yours did not reflect the Accords I knew and know. Thanks for sharing though.
you gotta give some time for that turbo to spool up gato cmon
Haha, too funny man
this guy thinks he's in a sports car foreal. smh
It’s not the sport bro. Your trim is can be compared to a base Camry
He looks like a crybaby.😢😢😢 I bet you a 1$k my 17 accord will smoke your type R..my car is ktuned.plus dyno tune.takeda intake.type s borla exhaust.
where did you buy those things? looking to sup up my 2015 as well..
It will lol
Not going to miss this model - the new Accords are looking like quite an upgrade in many departments.
This model is great! The ONLY thing I don’t like about the ‘18 is the rear end.. that’s really it. But I still want one:P
Went to Honda yesterday to try nd get seduced into buying one but the salesman was really short with me cuz of the color of my skin so I said FUCK you
Youre super reaching in this review
First !
#Gatosquad
@HONDAPROGATO!
I feel like I'm driving a cop car, with the high hood.
Haha, I know it's not really the car I would buy