Hi Tom, Love those ''Showing how it's done'' videos, the more details you give the better, helps making our grey matter imagine ways of doing things or apply it to something else. Interesting to discover very simple and efficient solutions put out by companies and engineers. In my mind the simpler it is, the less it's prone to fail. Appreciate what you do for all of us, Pierre
Man that thing is sweet Tom, I've seen those things laying around and didn't realize that's what they were. I'm gonna keep my eyes open for one, I could use it on a few jobs here and there plus it's just a cool tool...
A handy little whirligig if you had to crank out a bunch of parts. I was also surprised at the relative simplicity of the innards. Another nice short, thanks Tom.
Tom, Thanks for the disassembly. If you want to change the 5/8 hole interface. You could make a replacement for that part. (And film it of course). Thanks for sharing your time and talent. Have a great weekend. Looking forward to the Monday meatloaf. Chuck.
I got this book years ago to learn machining .The book is called the amiture lathe operator and this paper back book had alot of info about machining in general .This book also has planes for building a tail stock turret and i built one and have never used it but i did a great job on it and love showing it off.
Yay! Thanks for the tear down video - very simple and easy mechanism compared to what I've found on old turret lathes. Perhaps I should do a video on one that I have.
This would be a good project build for someone who's just finished the previous spindexer project! I'd be interested in taking a stab at this, but I'm just wondering about the bumpout at the bottom and my lack of a mill, only a lathe.
Hi Paul, ER collets would be nice. You could impress the neighbors if you had a full compliment of Albrecht keyless chucks. Oh that silly thing. I barely use it...... Cheers, Tom
Enco has 'em w/#2 Morse taper for $67.76. Accessory kit with 2 drill chucks, 1 reaming chuck, 1 tap holder, 1 die holder, 1 live center, 5 round die adapters and 7 tap collets is an additional $130.36. One would pay for itself if you frequently had runs of 100 parts to make that required multiple operations. Not sure it would be worth the effort for a half-dozen holes, but it might be handy, and it would impress the visitors. It's an interesting little gadget.
Can we have some rough dimensions so that we can get things to scale; such as the size of the wholes and oval diameter? This video was a little dark for some reason.
Cool. I have a tailstock turret with 4 positions that has integrated small collets, making it very compact, minimal tool stick-out. One collet and nut is missing, have to find out what type it is. It has a no. 3 Morse taper. on the tailstock end. I think these collets have a maximum clamping diameter of around 10 mm and mounting a chuck is not feasible probably - looks like it was designed for small work.
Hey John, You have the right size lathe for this one. There were some links posted in the comments for plans for these. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom
Nice one Tom! That shop rag should take a trip to Adam, he can review it and send it to Shopdog Sam to try, then to Mr Rucker, Mr Pete, Mr Fenner and off to the UK to be reviewed by Doubleboost and Paul Compton! I want to see that rag turn up all over youtube metalworking channels.
Questions regarding the angle. It can be whatever you want it to be. The lesser the angle though the more out front the tools will point and the less diameter part can be machined. This is because as you're using one tool the adjacent tools can be rammed into the face of the part. The more angle the more the tools are splayed out which could become a bigger snag issue with the operators body parts.
I know I'm late to the party here, but how would you remove that tapered pin that goes through the device and MT shaft? I have a larger version of this turret and still, the small end of the pin is really hard to get to.
Tom, I know it's off topic, but I was just thinking that you could make the pipette stands on a 3D printer since you already have the drawings. At my age, I need to post my ideas before they go pffft! :>)) Tom - Vista, CA
The base could be done without casting or removing a lot of material simply by making it as tall as the plane where the nut and the base touch. So say, you'd take a puck that's as tall as described above, cut a slot for the handle (hacksaw, vertical milling, horizontal milling drill and file..oh the endless ways of doing it) , that's simple, do the two holes, one for the stopping pin and another for the spring, add the handle retaining pin hole (also the pivot axis for the handle, if it were me i'd make it a screw) on the side and bob's your uncle. (first time using that expression, i wonder if i contextualized it well enough) The slightly complicated part would be fitting the morse taper. But not as much as one would think. The way i see it, so as long as the chuck holes and the m.t. are aligned perfectly in the end you could get away with tiny imperfections as far as alignment with the base is in concern. So through some setup you'd drill the hole and sacrifice a morse tapper out of a tool (better than to make one) and do it the same way they did it. Tho, again, if i'd make it i'd step it up to the next size, don't know what it is but that tool holder looks wimpy to me, at least that m.t. part. Once you've done that you throw another puck at your lathe and using the compound you'd make the angled section and the screw hole. You'd mill the retaining pin holes for your stations, however many as you'd need 3, 4, 6, that's the beauty of making your own tools. **one step i'd add is, i'd make a sleeve hole both inside the top section and the bottom section, that way one could simply slide in a sintered bronze bushing for ease of replacement** In any project i do, i like to leave myself a backdoor so i can come back later should i ever need to and correct mistakes or upgrade things. -Once you've accomplished all of the above and all holes are drilled, all fits are fitted and all parts are installed you'd simply put it in your tailstock, make sure it's aligned perfectly etc etc etc and stick the drill in your chuck and make the holes for your whatever choice of tool holder is and you're done. If i'd have time, i'd make it exactly as described. Keep in mind that i'm not by any stretch of imagination a person that works with lathes even a tenth of what you guys do so some of the processes described above might seem odd. However what this is, is the simplest method i'd use to reach A to B. Next year, if, hopefully, the exams and schedule loosens up a bit, i might attempt it. The reason i posted this, is, hopefully if by some miracle i said something that makes any sense at all, someone could get it done easier and, i dunno, post a video. Again, having more theoretical experience than practical on machines (lathe, mill etc) might induce bad thought processes so i wouldn't know either way. Cheers.
I suppose that would one nifty little tool to have sitting in the tool box, I think it would cooler though to see a Tom sized version..lol Thanks for the break down.
I'm not sure I'd waste time with that thing up front Tom, The real time waste is the in and out with the tail stock quill. I would focus on a quick feed quill or slide design first, like a true turret lathe, then add this in the mix to eliminate the tool changes later if you wanted. I'm not sure I would get that motivated unless I was setting up for large production runs large enough for the capitol investment. At that point I'd buy a turret lathe or a Hardinge. On small runs you just make sure you get paid for the hassles involved or you tell them to take it to China & let them do it for free.
The little boy, the screwdriver, the alarm clock.... Proof that some lessons endure a lifetime. How about making one? Bigger. A few Jacobs style chucks, a locking indexer? Maybe something Keith Rucker would recognize?
Hello, do the six holes in the turret have a morse taper? They don't look deep enough for that but I'd think that's how it'd work. If they are just parallel side holes, how do you get it to hold your tooling? Thanks
Thanks oxtoolco, how do you get the Jacobs chucks and live or dead centers to stay in the holes then? I just bought an atlas th42 for scrap price at the junk yard but the tailstock is one of these turrets with some kind of lever system that drives it in with adjustable depth screws, I wish it was a standard tailstock but it was almost free so I'm going to try and use it for now. I just need to buy a Jacobs chuck, I just don't know how to mount it, thanks again
+Shane K Hi Shane, Normally you would use this tool for something like center drilling, drilling, countersinking then tapping. Not really the right tool for turning work between centers. Its more for repetitive drilling operations. Hope this helps. Best, Tom
I think the real challenge for a hobby machinist would be getting the holes in the turret on axis with the Morse taper that goes into the tail stock, Maybe the sneaky solution is to build it without the tool holder holes in the turret (do everything else), then mount a drill in the headstock to do the 6 holes in the turret.
At the same time they are drilling it out they could then also mark where the hole on the back needs to be for the locking lever to engage it to index that particular hole.
Hi Philip, I would have everything done then bore the holes with a boring head set in the spindle so all the holes were on axis on their detent pin positions. Cheers, Tom
I for one would like to see one made and while your at it would you mind showing us how to make a four inch Mt 3 collet chuck they cost to much and the Chinese do not make them thank you Richard
Hola oxtoolco te mando un saludo desde México D.F. la pieza que estas presentando es para cuando no tienes torno revolver y esta pieza se pone en el contrapunto, poniendo las herramientas que requiera tu pieza, que estés laborando si requieres una broca, una rima, una broca de centro, y un tope ( perno ) para que tope tu trabajo e iniciar el largo que requieras. tu amigo que te aprecia, y espera que sigas subiendo mas videos, ojala que todos tengan la opción de traducirlos a español latino sin mas por el momento. me despido amigo J.A.S.S.
Hey Tom, a nice project for sure, nice to do something shooting for dead nuts, and then proud with it turning out that way... It is a cool looking piece! I hope to see it done by somebody... And, also perhaps a bit bigger just so theirs was different plus bigger would be good... :o] O,
Hi O, This has all the right ingredients for a great learning experience. Needs some precision and has some off kilter setups that are always challenging. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom
MSC #: 08620452 This would be a good start for a bigun for your Yam! Or does it take a #5 ? If so you want this MSC #: 00305300 If you have the MT taper sleeve for your headstock, most lathes come with them but they tend to get lost, one of these could be built dead nuts accurate! Nothing wrong with the straight bored holes either, 3/8-24 or 1/2-20 threaded chucks are readily available and the adapters would be easy to make, not to mention telescoping die holders or what ever LOL This would be a great project for anyone, added to my list!
Hi Tom ! Oh, all these DIY-projects ... here is one more I NEED to have ! I wonder how to make the setup for making the tapers in the turnable part ... to me it should be tapered studs instead to fit into chucks and then the hole in the turnable partcould just be strait with a releaf for a setscrew for fastening ... or ... ? Taper or straight holes ... I think it's a little sophisticated setup for making them - right ? I have some "arbors" with MT4 in one end and a B16 in the other end ... they should be useable for the tailstock end - but the setup for making the B16 taper ??????! Yeah, is IS a new project - thx Tom ! In the first place I'll make a "chicken sketch" in SketchUp - and here it is: kelds.weebly.com/revolver.html
Thanks for showing. I have a full turret for my Logan and I use it more than I thought I would.
Just put that one in my to-do-projects list, thanks for the video :)
Hi Tom,
Love those ''Showing how it's done'' videos, the more details you give the better, helps making our grey matter imagine ways of doing things or apply it to something else.
Interesting to discover very simple and efficient solutions put out by companies and engineers. In my mind the simpler it is, the less it's prone to fail.
Appreciate what you do for all of us,
Pierre
Dang it Tom, now your going to make me go find one around here! Thanks for showing us how it works and comes apart! Cool tool!
Adam
Hey Adam,
Who are you kidding. You probably have two of these in your tool crib. One for each holster for quick draw McGraw.
Cheers,
Tom
Man that thing is sweet Tom, I've seen those things laying around and didn't realize that's what they were. I'm gonna keep my eyes open for one, I could use it on a few jobs here and there plus it's just a cool tool...
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@Westin Trace yup, I have been watching on Flixzone for since december myself :D
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A handy little whirligig if you had to crank out a bunch of parts. I was also surprised at the relative simplicity of the innards. Another nice short, thanks Tom.
Tom
Would be cool to check the accuracy of that unit, station to station....
:)
Chuck
Id like to second that motion :) if it is within the magic 2 thou I think it would need to be a must have addition to the toolkit
Tom,
Thanks for the disassembly. If you want to change the 5/8 hole interface. You could make a replacement for that part. (And film it of course). Thanks for sharing your time and talent. Have a great weekend. Looking forward to the Monday meatloaf.
Chuck.
You said there are some things you would like better. I would like to see you build one with the upgrades.
I got this book years ago to learn machining .The book is called the amiture lathe operator and this paper back book had alot of info about machining in general .This book also has planes for building a tail stock turret and i built one and have never used it but i did a great job on it and love showing it off.
The Amateur's Lathe L.H. Sparey
Yay! Thanks for the tear down video - very simple and easy mechanism compared to what I've found on old turret lathes. Perhaps I should do a video on one that I have.
This would be a good project build for someone who's just finished the previous spindexer project!
I'd be interested in taking a stab at this, but I'm just wondering about the bumpout at the bottom and my lack of a mill, only a lathe.
Hi Tom,
Jacob's chucks might be a little bulky, but I could see it working with parallel shank ER collet chucks.
Hi Paul,
ER collets would be nice. You could impress the neighbors if you had a full compliment of Albrecht keyless chucks. Oh that silly thing. I barely use it......
Cheers,
Tom
Enco has 'em w/#2 Morse taper for $67.76. Accessory kit with 2 drill chucks, 1 reaming chuck, 1 tap holder, 1 die holder, 1 live center, 5 round die adapters and 7 tap collets is an additional $130.36. One would pay for itself if you frequently had runs of 100 parts to make that required multiple operations. Not sure it would be worth the effort for a half-dozen holes, but it might be handy, and it would impress the visitors. It's an interesting little gadget.
Would make a nice build along project with the ox upgrades included.
Tom, how about you making one for us to see the process with a focus on the unique set up angles and precision alignments?
Excellent, Thanks Tom. That really is a great help
kind regards
malcolm
Hi Tom, bit small on the Morse Taper #1, should do a video on an upgrade to a MT2 or MT3
Why'd you stop there? I wanted to see what the atoms look like.
Hey Tom, great vid!
What is the angle of the face where the bushings go in? Im assuming 45 degree because that makes sense but have you checked it?
Can we have some rough dimensions so that we can get things to scale; such as the size of the wholes and oval diameter?
This video was a little dark for some reason.
Cool. I have a tailstock turret with 4 positions that has integrated small collets, making it very compact, minimal tool stick-out. One collet and nut is missing, have to find out what type it is. It has a no. 3 Morse taper. on the tailstock end. I think these collets have a maximum clamping diameter of around 10 mm and mounting a chuck is not feasible probably - looks like it was designed for small work.
Hi
Tom
Very interesting
Would make a great project
Hey John,
You have the right size lathe for this one. There were some links posted in the comments for plans for these. Thanks for the comment.
Cheers,
Tom
1:51 I agree, needs more light. Try some high wattage CFL spiral lamps in daylight colours like 6500K More diffuse light, not that little spot light.
hi tom, great little mini cnc lathe job, i seen one in old plans on net before, may even make one, thanks daniel
+Daniel Kitson Hi Daniel,
Thanks for the comment.
Cheers,
Tom
There is a wide variety of screw machine tooling that fits in those 5/8" holes.
the wonder wrench as we call those at work. open end & swivel socket type thingy. worth their weight in gold!!!
thanks tom for taking it a part bet you thought there was going to be springs and balls flying when you paused after cracking it open
Nice one Tom! That shop rag should take a trip to Adam, he can review it and send it to Shopdog Sam to try, then to Mr Rucker, Mr Pete, Mr Fenner and off to the UK to be reviewed by Doubleboost and Paul Compton! I want to see that rag turn up all over youtube metalworking channels.
Questions regarding the angle. It can be whatever you want it to be. The lesser the angle though the more out front the tools will point and the less diameter part can be machined. This is because as you're using one tool the adjacent tools can be rammed into the face of the part. The more angle the more the tools are splayed out which could become a bigger snag issue with the operators body parts.
I know I'm late to the party here, but how would you remove that tapered pin that goes through the device and MT shaft? I have a larger version of this turret and still, the small end of the pin is really hard to get to.
Tom,
I know it's off topic, but I was just thinking that you could make the pipette stands on a 3D printer since you already have the drawings. At my age, I need to post my ideas before they go pffft! :>))
Tom - Vista, CA
Hi Tom
Like everyone else is suggesting ... how about a mini series c/w drawings on building one more suitable for a 9 to 16 inch lathe.
Rod
The base could be done without casting or removing a lot of material simply by making it as tall as the plane where the nut and the base touch.
So say, you'd take a puck that's as tall as described above, cut a slot for the handle (hacksaw, vertical milling, horizontal milling drill and file..oh the endless ways of doing it) ,
that's simple,
do the two holes, one for the stopping pin and another for the spring, add the handle retaining pin hole
(also the pivot axis for the handle, if it were me i'd make it a screw)
on the side and bob's your uncle. (first time using that expression, i wonder if i contextualized it well enough)
The slightly complicated part would be fitting the morse taper. But not as much as one would think. The way i see it, so as long as the chuck holes and the m.t. are aligned perfectly in the end you could get away with tiny imperfections as far as alignment with the base is in concern.
So through some setup you'd drill the hole and sacrifice a morse tapper out of a tool (better than to make one) and do it the same way they did it.
Tho, again, if i'd make it i'd step it up to the next size, don't know what it is but that tool holder looks wimpy to me, at least that m.t. part.
Once you've done that you throw another puck at your lathe and using the compound you'd make the angled section and the screw hole. You'd mill the retaining pin holes for your stations, however many as you'd need 3, 4, 6, that's the beauty of making your own tools.
**one step i'd add is, i'd make a sleeve hole both inside the top section and the bottom section, that way one could simply slide in a sintered bronze bushing for ease of replacement**
In any project i do, i like to leave myself a backdoor so i can come back later should i ever need to and correct mistakes or upgrade things.
-Once you've accomplished all of the above and all holes are drilled, all fits are fitted and all parts are installed you'd simply put it in your tailstock, make sure it's aligned perfectly etc etc etc and stick the drill in your chuck and make the holes for your whatever choice of tool holder is and you're done.
If i'd have time, i'd make it exactly as described. Keep in mind that i'm not by any stretch of imagination a person that works with lathes even a tenth of what you guys do so some of the processes described above might seem odd. However what this is, is the simplest method i'd use to reach A to B.
Next year, if, hopefully, the exams and schedule loosens up a bit, i might attempt it.
The reason i posted this, is, hopefully if by some miracle i said something that makes any sense at all, someone could get it done easier and, i dunno, post a video. Again, having more theoretical experience than practical on machines (lathe, mill etc) might induce bad thought processes so i wouldn't know either way.
Cheers.
Tom,
Your week night shorts are great but, don't you think one "Chuck" around here is enough!
Lol, JK buddy ;)
All the best,
Ray
I suppose that would one nifty little tool to have sitting in the tool box, I think it would cooler though to see a Tom sized version..lol Thanks for the break down.
I'm not sure I'd waste time with that thing up front Tom, The real time waste is the in and out with the tail stock quill. I would focus on a quick feed quill or slide design first, like a true turret lathe, then add this in the mix to eliminate the tool changes later if you wanted. I'm not sure I would get that motivated unless I was setting up for large production runs large enough for the capitol investment. At that point I'd buy a turret lathe or a Hardinge. On small runs you just make sure you get paid for the hassles involved or you tell them to take it to China & let them do it for free.
The little boy, the screwdriver, the alarm clock.... Proof that some lessons endure a lifetime.
How about making one? Bigger. A few Jacobs style chucks, a locking indexer? Maybe something Keith Rucker would recognize?
Stan's dirty rag didn't show up in the credits. I felt the rag had a staring roll in this video
Squeak squeak I think that everybody would like to see you build another one was posing and mt4 model For your yam love to build one my self
Hello, do the six holes in the turret have a morse taper? They don't look deep enough for that but I'd think that's how it'd work. If they are just parallel side holes, how do you get it to hold your tooling? Thanks
+Shane K Hi Shane,
The holes are 5/8 diameter and just straight bores. The bushings are retained with set screws. Thanks for the comment.
Cheers,
Tom
Thanks oxtoolco, how do you get the Jacobs chucks and live or dead centers to stay in the holes then? I just bought an atlas th42 for scrap price at the junk yard but the tailstock is one of these turrets with some kind of lever system that drives it in with adjustable depth screws, I wish it was a standard tailstock but it was almost free so I'm going to try and use it for now. I just need to buy a Jacobs chuck, I just don't know how to mount it, thanks again
+Shane K Hi Shane,
Normally you would use this tool for something like center drilling, drilling, countersinking then tapping. Not really the right tool for turning work between centers. Its more for repetitive drilling operations. Hope this helps.
Best,
Tom
Ok, I understand now, thank you.
Tom- Looks very do-able... Five Jacobs chucks and a MT#3 is what you're thinking? ;) Give it the Ox treatment and beef it up!
Soooo did anyone guess what the mystery tool was? It's itching me and i don't think it's a scratcher.
You can buy them new at Little Machine Shop for about $100. They carry with MT2 and MT3.
***** Exactly, whether it's a center finder or this nice gimmick, it's so much more fun screwing things up by myself. :)
I think the real challenge for a hobby machinist would be getting the holes in the turret on axis with the Morse taper that goes into the tail stock, Maybe the sneaky solution is to build it without the tool holder holes in the turret (do everything else), then mount a drill in the headstock to do the 6 holes in the turret.
At the same time they are drilling it out they could then also mark where the hole on the back needs to be for the locking lever to engage it to index that particular hole.
Hi Philip,
I would have everything done then bore the holes with a boring head set in the spindle so all the holes were on axis on their detent pin positions.
Cheers,
Tom
I for one would like to see one made and while your at it would you mind showing us how to make a four inch Mt 3 collet chuck they cost to much and the Chinese do not make them
thank you
Richard
I meant to say 5c collet instead of mt3 the one that fits the7x14 micro mart mini lathe
Hola oxtoolco te mando un saludo desde México D.F. la pieza que estas presentando es para cuando no tienes torno revolver
y esta pieza se pone en el contrapunto, poniendo las herramientas que requiera tu pieza, que estés laborando si requieres una broca, una rima, una broca de centro, y un tope ( perno ) para que tope tu trabajo e iniciar el largo que requieras. tu amigo que te aprecia, y espera que sigas subiendo mas videos, ojala que todos tengan la opción de traducirlos a español latino sin mas por el momento. me despido amigo J.A.S.S.
+José Antonio Saráchaga Hola J.A.S.S.
Gracias por el lindo comentario.
Saludos,
tom
couldn't you take the taper out and make a bigger taper to fit your tail stock tom
Hey Tom, a nice project for sure, nice to do something shooting for dead nuts, and then proud with it turning out that way... It is a cool looking piece! I hope to see it done by somebody... And, also perhaps a bit bigger just so theirs was different plus bigger would be good... :o]
O,
Hi O,
This has all the right ingredients for a great learning experience. Needs some precision and has some off kilter setups that are always challenging. Thanks for the comment.
Cheers,
Tom
Do it!
Thanks Tom
"semi-determined ox"...LOL
shadows, let there be LIGHT
A little carb cleaner and fresh oil would be nice... :>))
Tom - Vista, CA
MSC #: 08620452
This would be a good start for a bigun for your Yam!
Or does it take a #5 ?
If so you want this MSC #: 00305300
If you have the MT taper sleeve for your headstock,
most lathes come with them but they tend to get lost,
one of these could be built dead nuts accurate!
Nothing wrong with the straight bored holes either,
3/8-24 or 1/2-20 threaded chucks are readily available and the
adapters would be easy to make, not to mention telescoping
die holders or what ever LOL
This would be a great project for anyone, added to my list!
Simple and cool just like Diane Sawyer.
i vote for a build.. The Yam could do with one :)
Hi Tom !
Oh, all these DIY-projects ... here is one more I NEED to have !
I wonder how to make the setup for making the tapers in the turnable part ... to me it should be tapered studs instead to fit into chucks and then the hole in the turnable partcould just be strait with a releaf for a setscrew for fastening ... or ... ?
Taper or straight holes ... I think it's a little sophisticated setup for making them - right ?
I have some "arbors" with MT4 in one end and a B16 in the other end ... they should be useable for the tailstock end - but the setup for making the B16 taper ??????!
Yeah, is IS a new project - thx Tom !
In the first place I'll make a "chicken sketch" in SketchUp - and here it is:
kelds.weebly.com/revolver.html
Hey Tom, No disrespect intended but, I liked your channel a lot better when you designed and built something.
Hey Dennis,
Did you not take your medicine today? I can see we need to punish you on the whiteboard again.
Cheers,
Tom