Checkers and draughts is the same thing, just American vs. UK English. There are many variants with different board sizes and opening piece configurations. The one that you're playing is the Polish version, which has become the international competitive standard.
The site also has the Frisian variant, which allows horizontal and vertical captures as well. In recent years it has gotten increased attention because of the reduced amount of draws. The end games are a lot more complex.
@@kosterix123 to add on on what you said, checker is American variation of draughts, 64 square, pawns cannot take back, king move only one square. This variation has been "solved" (weakly) by chinook
I've now played Draughts all day thanks to this video. And I only have people to play with because of the others who watched! Though others may expect only chess, I find this to be a fun change of pace and hope you do more in the future.
Hey Eric, great video! As a draughts player myself i can say that believe it or not, you've escaped a trap set on move one! On your game against "yduaskme" you opened with 1.32-28(and yes it's very popular) and your opponent played 1...18-23 but clearly he wasn't going for the "trap" as he didn't punished you for 2.37-32?? that should cost you 2 pieces after 2...23-29! 3.33x24(_if 3.34x23 17-22 4.28x17 19x26_) 20x29 4.34x23 17-22 5.28x17 19x26 and your piece on square 17 is lost. But he didn't go for this and i'm surely not gonna ask him why :).
Looking at the board numbers it looks like you only count the dark squares, and you go from left to right if you’re white and right to left if you’re black
Try GO. Unlike Draught or checkers that have similarities to chess like each piece can move to location, Go is very counter intuitive and you can put your pieces everywhere. It has the same kind of elimination process like chess but the tactics are different than chess.
Hi Eric, at 12:30 you wondered where draughts is popular. A lot of kids learn the game in the Netherlands, lots of chess boards have a backside with a 10x10 board here. I played the game in elementary school for a year, the next year chess was available and I thought that game looked much more interesting. The current world champion is dutch, there's also a lot of good african players and former soviet (mainly non-russian) players (Belarus mainly I believe).
Yeah haha, i'm dutch. I always used to play this with my mom when I was little, good memories. I like chess more tho, probably cuz my mom always stomped my at draughts
international checkers....It is the most competitive checkers game in the world. Pan American, Central American, and World Championships have Grandmasters, international and national masters.
Hey Eric, As a draughts player I am delighted to see you play on lidraughts.org! I really think draughts is underrated so seeing someone from the chess community play is really awesome. Also, as an answer to some of the questions you asked: 1.the "pawns" in draughts is what we call pieces. 2. Draughts is very popular in the former sovjet union, (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus etc.) aswell as some west european countries, Like The Netherlands (my home country). If you have some additional questions feel free to ask :).
Funny enough, in German this game is called "Dame" which is the same word for the queen in chess. You also get a "Dame" (queen) by promoting instead of a king ("König")
7:25 you fell for an opening trap. Black can play 33-29 (his most forward pawn). After captures black can play 17-22 after captures, he can capture 3 times, already winning a piece.
Got confused because the rules were different to regular draughts, but upon looking it up realised it was the polish rules. In England, I think draughts is identical to checkers except you have to take a piece offered. Also played on a 64 square board in UK.
checkers is not solved, only the the 8X8 english version when you cannot capture backwards. russian checkers 8X8 is not solved. the international checkers 10X10 will never be solved like chess. it has 40 pieces and you have only 8 man tablebase. (in chess you got 7) to this day.
In the UK we call this both checkers and draughts.. except we say it more like 'drafts' not 'drofts' edit: never mind, I guess they are different. I only know of the traditional game where the pieces can only move forward unless they reach the end and crown. Im not sure we have a version which all pieces can move backwards here..
Here in brazil it's a very popular game, i used to play it when i was a kid.. we call it "Damas". Everyone here knows this game, i was surprised you had never seen it before
His most recent stream has a few games of draughts towards the end, sandwiched between chess and scrabble, you would have to go to his twitch channel to access the stream
@@richalan8530 well, unfortunate that on this stream, the chat is telling so much wrong thing, for instance a lot of people still think draughts is solved, checkers is (yes it is confusing, I admit no backward capture and 64 square on checkers) Also you can find some good stream searching well
In 2022, is there still a "world correspondence (or mail/postal/daily) checkers champion?" If so, who is it? I have played chess my entire life and want to improve at checkers but not the type in this video. Traditional American checkers (sorry if I got the name wrong for the checkers/draughts players out there) is something I wish to study and improve. The website for the American Checkers Federation is outdated. Sorry if my question seems so basic that everyone should know the answer. However, we all must begin to learn by asking questions and any quality information will be most appreciated. Great video!!
I love how he is saying how he is an absolute beginner despite being at the very beginning basically already 1725 at a new game lol. Shows how chess can translate into checkers
@@fannygranny9680 I just thought that it’s probably very good for a complete beginner in checkers assuming scores are balanced similarly if not lower due to less players on the elo system they have
I think some chess knowledge might carry over to draughts. Granted I'm absolutely a beginner in both chess and international draughts, so I'm no authority, but I did find myself winning more than another beginners (in other platforms/apps) by using an elementary notion of controlling the center, attacking patterns, and even finding structures that favors trades, like the "X" or the "S", as I call them. It might be a completely different game to chess, but people underestimate the fact it is also a strategy game.
Hey Eric, I really like your Videos on this channel and on the Saint Louis Chess Club and also your livestreams. I would love to watch you live, but never know when you’re streaming. Could you send a message or are you already doing that? Or could someone else help me with my notifications on twitch or the media he is sending the messages. Thank you all and thank you Eric for the amazing videos.
You'ld enjoy the game 9 Man's Morris, if you ever play a chess tournament in Bern, Switzerland make sure to go to the square with Garden chess and Mühle or 9 Man's Morris next to each other!
I noticed you spend a decent amount of time trying to figure out where a commenter said you missed a tactic to promote. I believe on move 48 (1:27:04), you could've moved your rightmost piece toward the right edge (the move you instead played on move 51) followed by its adjacent piece moving up and diagonally to the right in a path to the promotion square which cannot be prevented. Does this seem correct?
It can be prevented since all pieces can capture backwards :) So after 21-26 and 27-31 (let me know if you need help with the notation), white can do 42-38 after which both black and white are forced to capture.
37:20 I might be wrong but if white moves his piece at the very center to the top right, black has to take it and then white can double jump safely. Good trade no?
Hi Eric, I've been a fan for some time now and have a suggestion for if you want to try a game that REALLY makes you relearn as a beginner! The game is Shogi, and is somewhat like a Japanese form of chess. Good luck!
If you are able to move backwards, i'm curious as to how can you ever lose if you keep playing back and forth without making any holes. I dont know anything about checkers, but my understanding has always been that is a game that works based on zugzwang, no holes, no tactics.
Many variants (at checkers/dama/draughts they are more official versions of different regions) allow you to move backwards only with king, at others you can move backwards with a man too, but only to capture.
Are there more international 10x10 Draughts videos showing different strategies and tactics like most chess videos to teach beginners to advance level and from there to intermediate level and even up to advanced level ?
I do remember reading something about 90%+ being drawn somewhere. Could be russian checkers in the soviet times, not sure, though. Would be nice if someone would explain the discrepancy.
you can take backwards but not just move backwards! also I'm not sure but you have to finish a piece's jump but I don't think you have to pick the piece or path that captures the most pieces!
This is the same thing as checkers. -.- American kids use "the flying king" when they want to play draughts, and we force takes too, depending upon rule agreement pre-game.
25 and 26 are corners, where 25 is the corner white wants to control and 26 is the corner blackwants to control. Also 2 and 4 are your base pieces which you avoid moving since they control 6789 and 10. Now you know basic draughts theory congratulations
@40:50 Opponent resigned prematurally. He should have moved 13-18, you would have to double jump then he has a double jump taking your queen and ensuring his promotion to a queen.
Eric, at 12:35 why not just get a king. There were two ways to triple jump... Edit: never mind you addressed it in the stream a couple minutes later XD
Oui, c’est gratuit Si vous recherchez des ressources en français, je vous conseille d’aller chez la fédération mondiale du jeu de dames rubrique "Learn". Vous y trouverez notamment le cours "The magic of draughts ", un remarquable cours (d’origine hollandaise, mais entièrement traduit en français), hyper structuré et pédagogique. On y trouve aussi les très bons livres de Jean-Pierre Dubois, parfaits pour se perfectionner.
For anyone who doesn’t know it’s just Russian checker with a bigger board and more pieces. Russian checkers you can jump backwards and queen moves like this game copied. I played since I was child
You can choose any variant of capturing in russian checkers, not the one with most pieces like here. Also, if you move to enemy back rank while capturing you instantly become a king and can keep capturing pieces that are more than 1 square away, here you have to stay at the back rank for 1 turn to become king.
It is dama, unlike chess where there is a specific game called chess, each country or world region has their own version of the thing that is considered "the game"
I see a lot of light square weaknesses!
A light square bishop's dream.
gold xD
Although it will always be hitting nothing.
A powerful light square bishop
Checkers and draughts is the same thing, just American vs. UK English. There are many variants with different board sizes and opening piece configurations. The one that you're playing is the Polish version, which has become the international competitive standard.
The site also has the Frisian variant, which allows horizontal and vertical captures as well. In recent years it has gotten increased attention because of the reduced amount of draws. The end games are a lot more complex.
@@hielke2332 frisian lol. A province oh Netherlands. Didn't know we had that variant
@@simohayha6031 its mainly a german province!
@@kosterix123 to add on on what you said, checker is American variation of draughts, 64 square, pawns cannot take back, king move only one square. This variation has been "solved" (weakly) by chinook
This makes me hate that the checkers I grew up with is so boring.
I've now played Draughts all day thanks to this video. And I only have people to play with because of the others who watched! Though others may expect only chess, I find this to be a fun change of pace and hope you do more in the future.
This would have been hilarious had you waited to post this on April 1st.
Hey Eric, great video!
As a draughts player myself i can say that believe it or not, you've escaped a trap set on move one!
On your game against "yduaskme" you opened with 1.32-28(and yes it's very popular) and your opponent played 1...18-23 but clearly he wasn't going for the "trap" as he didn't punished you for 2.37-32?? that should cost you 2 pieces after 2...23-29! 3.33x24(_if 3.34x23 17-22 4.28x17 19x26_) 20x29 4.34x23 17-22 5.28x17 19x26 and your piece on square 17 is lost. But he didn't go for this and i'm surely not gonna ask him why :).
Yes... these are numbers... I know some of these numbers...
could you translate it for me in chess language, it is hard for me to understand those numbers
Are there online platforms that i can challenge some of these draught
Looking at the board numbers it looks like you only count the dark squares, and you go from left to right if you’re white and right to left if you’re black
Hey Im a draughs player also....where do you play online??
Try GO. Unlike Draught or checkers that have similarities to chess like each piece can move to location, Go is very counter intuitive and you can put your pieces everywhere. It has the same kind of elimination process like chess but the tactics are different than chess.
is there a website where you can play and learn go similar to lichess?
Javier Ruiz Ruvalcaba yes, I forgot the links but you should find em if you google it
Javier Ruiz Ruvalcaba search google for OGS
Tak: a beautiful game is also like this
Wow he just recently did that! Your patience payed off.
Hi Eric, at 12:30 you wondered where draughts is popular. A lot of kids learn the game in the Netherlands, lots of chess boards have a backside with a 10x10 board here. I played the game in elementary school for a year, the next year chess was available and I thought that game looked much more interesting. The current world champion is dutch, there's also a lot of good african players and former soviet (mainly non-russian) players (Belarus mainly I believe).
Yeah haha, i'm dutch. I always used to play this with my mom when I was little, good memories. I like chess more tho, probably cuz my mom always stomped my at draughts
To be exact the current world champion is Russian, as alexander Schwarzman is Russian. Roel Boomstra is the 2016 world champion
Yes, draughts is/was really popular in The Netherlands. It is really easy to learn, especcially for kids
Are there online platforms that i chalenge some of these draught players
Russian players are actually very good, better then Belarussion.
I played one game on the sight. Got excited when I made a king but had no idea about the moving backwards and immediately lost it. Good times.
I'm mad that everyone kept complaining about you enjoying other board games. I had never heard of this game until you played it, so thank you.
international checkers....It is the most competitive checkers game in the world. Pan American, Central American, and World Championships have Grandmasters, international and national masters.
You've never heard of checkers??? Where the fuck have you been the last 2000 years?
Hey Eric,
As a draughts player I am delighted to see you play on lidraughts.org! I really think draughts is underrated so seeing someone from the chess community play is really awesome. Also, as an answer to some of the questions you asked: 1.the "pawns" in draughts is what we call pieces. 2. Draughts is very popular in the former sovjet union, (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus etc.) aswell as some west european countries, Like The Netherlands (my home country). If you have some additional questions feel free to ask :).
Hey Eric, long time viewer here, I just wanted to say I like you and your streams. Thank you so much for all your streams and YT videos.
I came here for draughts. Made my day. I hope you stream more.
Funny enough, in German this game is called "Dame" which is the same word for the queen in chess. You also get a "Dame" (queen) by promoting instead of a king ("König")
no way this is a real thing... eric you memelord
7:25 you fell for an opening trap. Black can play 33-29 (his most forward pawn). After captures black can play 17-22 after captures, he can capture 3 times, already winning a piece.
what a time to be alive
Have recently gotten into international draughts for some variety from chess. This was wonderful to see.
12:45 you missed a king promotion
12:35 you missed this as well.
@@turtle207 it was the same
Got confused because the rules were different to regular draughts, but upon looking it up realised it was the polish rules. In England, I think draughts is identical to checkers except you have to take a piece offered. Also played on a 64 square board in UK.
Too much draughts can lead to dehydration. Wait...
I see what you did there's. Playing checkers makes ya thirsty :)
I am a draughts player and it is so fun to see him playing draughts
"it's called a pyramid formation.... I just made that up"
This is the international 10x10 game rules ,good video ! .
checkers is not solved, only the the 8X8 english version when you cannot capture backwards. russian checkers 8X8 is not solved. the international checkers 10X10 will never be solved like chess. it has 40 pieces and you have only 8 man tablebase. (in chess you got 7) to this day.
1:00:00 that ending LMAAAAAAAO
31:50 45-50 is such a bad move, it allows 19-23 winning two stones. Instead you could play 29-23 and win a stone yourself
In the UK we call this both checkers and draughts.. except we say it more like 'drafts' not 'drofts'
edit: never mind, I guess they are different. I only know of the traditional game where the pieces can only move forward unless they reach the end and crown. Im not sure we have a version which all pieces can move backwards here..
The exchange from 6/6 to 5/5 along with White's letting Black get square 25 seemed critical.
Here in brazil it's a very popular game, i used to play it when i was a kid.. we call it "Damas". Everyone here knows this game, i was surprised you had never seen it before
I've just started learning this version of draughts. Have you kept playing? Any chance of another draughts stream?
His most recent stream has a few games of draughts towards the end, sandwiched between chess and scrabble, you would have to go to his twitch channel to access the stream
@@AI-3279 Thanks for letting me know. Much appreciated.
@@richalan8530 well, unfortunate that on this stream, the chat is telling so much wrong thing, for instance a lot of people still think draughts is solved, checkers is (yes it is confusing, I admit no backward capture and 64 square on checkers)
Also you can find some good stream searching well
In 2022, is there still a "world correspondence (or mail/postal/daily) checkers champion?" If so, who is it? I have played chess my entire life and want to improve at checkers but not the type in this video. Traditional American checkers (sorry if I got the name wrong for the checkers/draughts players out there) is something I wish to study and improve. The website for the American Checkers Federation is outdated. Sorry if my question seems so basic that everyone should know the answer. However, we all must begin to learn by asking questions and any quality information will be most appreciated. Great video!!
I love how he is saying how he is an absolute beginner despite being at the very beginning basically already 1725 at a new game lol. Shows how chess can translate into checkers
How do you judge whether 1725 is good or bad?
@@fannygranny9680 I just thought that it’s probably very good for a complete beginner in checkers assuming scores are balanced similarly if not lower due to less players on the elo system they have
I think some chess knowledge might carry over to draughts. Granted I'm absolutely a beginner in both chess and international draughts, so I'm no authority, but I did find myself winning more than another beginners (in other platforms/apps) by using an elementary notion of controlling the center, attacking patterns, and even finding structures that favors trades, like the "X" or the "S", as I call them. It might be a completely different game to chess, but people underestimate the fact it is also a strategy game.
@@marcelo90z I agree principles where seemingly similar in both
It's popular in Russia and post-Soviet countries. Rules are almost the same, but played on regular chess board (four stones in each of three rows)
My grandpa told me this game and I’m from Germany and think it’s bit popular here. We call it ”Dame“ which would be Queen in English.
Draughts is just as complex and beautiful as chess when you know how to play it
I like your streams but it doesn't give this game justice you need to go deeper to appreciate it
Hey Eric,
I really like your Videos on this channel and on the Saint Louis Chess Club and also your livestreams. I would love to watch you live, but never know when you’re streaming. Could you send a message or are you already doing that? Or could someone else help me with my notifications on twitch or the media he is sending the messages.
Thank you all and thank you Eric for the amazing videos.
You'ld enjoy the game 9 Man's Morris, if you ever play a chess tournament in Bern, Switzerland make sure to go to the square with Garden chess and Mühle or 9 Man's Morris next to each other!
RobBCactive I will! Mühle is great game too!
I noticed you spend a decent amount of time trying to figure out where a commenter said you missed a tactic to promote. I believe on move 48 (1:27:04), you could've moved your rightmost piece toward the right edge (the move you instead played on move 51) followed by its adjacent piece moving up and diagonally to the right in a path to the promotion square which cannot be prevented. Does this seem correct?
It can be prevented since all pieces can capture backwards :) So after 21-26 and 27-31 (let me know if you need help with the notation), white can do 42-38 after which both black and white are forced to capture.
@@timvermeulen4024 oh I see thanks
37:20 I might be wrong but if white moves his piece at the very center to the top right, black has to take it and then white can double jump safely. Good trade no?
Hi Eric, I've been a fan for some time now and have a suggestion for if you want to try a game that REALLY makes you relearn as a beginner! The game is Shogi, and is somewhat like a Japanese form of chess. Good luck!
Funny he doesn't fully remember min-max, yet I'm sure he's deeply familiar with the concept and applies it in every chess game he plays
If you are able to move backwards, i'm curious as to how can you ever lose if you keep playing back and forth without making any holes. I dont know anything about checkers, but my understanding has always been that is a game that works based on zugzwang, no holes, no tactics.
You can only move backwards with the King, the pieces can only capture backwards.
Many variants (at checkers/dama/draughts they are more official versions of different regions) allow you to move backwards only with king, at others you can move backwards with a man too, but only to capture.
Are there more international 10x10 Draughts videos showing different strategies and tactics like most chess videos to teach beginners to advance level and from there to intermediate level and even up to advanced level ?
Exactly what I was going to ask
Any further news on the lichess new variant?
can it be configured for an 8 x 8 board?
Draughts and Checkers annoys me, forced draws and being limited to the dark squares. “Draught” literally shares the same linguistic root as “To Draw”
Cheng Zhou the Younger yeah, it’s not like chess has any forced draws or anything.
Benjamin Demary I’m saying that it has way more forced draws than chess
Gotcha
Here it is international draughts variant where even international grandmaster lose from time to time. So you must be a draught bot
I do remember reading something about 90%+ being drawn somewhere. Could be russian checkers in the soviet times, not sure, though. Would be nice if someone would explain the discrepancy.
26:48 you were so proud of yourself, but you give away the stone, he could (should) have taken backwards!
you can take backwards but not just move backwards! also I'm not sure but you have to finish a piece's jump but I don't think you have to pick the piece or path that captures the most pieces!
100:37 a little taste of how we play at chess and get frustrated when we keep losing every game on time lol
This is the same thing as checkers. -.- American kids use "the flying king" when they want to play draughts, and we force takes too, depending upon rule agreement pre-game.
Found your study of Ivanchuk games
I speedran throwing away checkers pieces that came with my chess set
25 and 26 are corners, where 25 is the corner white wants to control and 26 is the corner blackwants to control. Also 2 and 4 are your base pieces which you avoid moving since they control 6789 and 10. Now you know basic draughts theory congratulations
Draughts IM rosen ?!
how do I download that game on my laptop
Don't understand why the pieces appear to be viewed from such an angle
That loss to Thaddaeus didn’t even count 😵👑
17:05 Blundered a piece. There were several ways to get out of the "fork".
@40:50 Opponent resigned prematurally. He should have moved 13-18, you would have to double jump then he has a double jump taking your queen and ensuring his promotion to a queen.
ah but you can play 39-34 and he has to take backwards and cannot queen
Also it's pronounced the same as drafts
Hello Eric! Greetings from me! Rilum Osmanaj
Great moves ,when you are less busy let us play ...You did well
I have a dedicated draughts computer.
Would like to see you play more.
Frisian checkers is very complex and fast-paced
Is there ligo?
Not that I know of!
I’ve been playing a mix of draughts and checkers my whole life thinking it was checkers smh
Eric, at 12:35 why not just get a king. There were two ways to triple jump...
Edit: never mind you addressed it in the stream a couple minutes later XD
Good night,
Is it possible to translate your rules in France ?
Il this game free ? What is price ? Please
Your sincerelly
Oui, c’est gratuit
Si vous recherchez des ressources en français, je vous conseille d’aller chez la fédération mondiale du jeu de dames rubrique "Learn". Vous y trouverez notamment le cours "The magic of draughts ", un remarquable cours (d’origine hollandaise, mais entièrement traduit en français), hyper structuré et pédagogique.
On y trouve aussi les très bons livres de Jean-Pierre Dubois, parfaits pour se perfectionner.
"Intimate relationship with the pieces" lollll
Ah serious, checkers. You gotta get the king first
Checkers is The American name and Draughts is the English name. What you are playing is a variation, called Polish Draughts/Checkers.
16:52
Let us see who finds a way to solve this puzzle!
4:29 I would of gone with the higher up piece to move.
help me with download link plsss
Это же просто шашки но 10×10?
Да
Так они становятся более играбельными
For anyone who doesn’t know it’s just Russian checker with a bigger board and more pieces. Russian checkers you can jump backwards and queen moves like this game copied. I played since I was child
You can choose any variant of capturing in russian checkers, not the one with most pieces like here. Also, if you move to enemy back rank while capturing you instantly become a king and can keep capturing pieces that are more than 1 square away, here you have to stay at the back rank for 1 turn to become king.
That drinking noise
12:35 he could take upwards and promote king
So this is basically dama?
It is dama, unlike chess where there is a specific game called chess, each country or world region has their own version of the thing that is considered "the game"
how to play draughts at lichess??
Shreyas Bhatt you are an Idiot...
lidraughts.org!
unfortunately I don't know how to play draughts but I'd love a libackgammon
Esse homem é mestre no xadrez e joga bem damas
Who's here in 2021?!
You should try Xiangqi
I thought checkers on 10x10 board were called polish chess
Does anyone else see the board as folding or contorting in weird ways??
Can we have an online match or any other ...
12:35 Thats a blunder!!
His commentary is pointing out the most common sense stuff. It's like saying "oh if you move your pawn forward it moves "
7:22 is a terrible blunder that will cost you two pieces. Thank God that your opponent doesn't know howbto play 😂😂
12:35 GET A KING!
Wow missed king jump and then when asked why he didnt king he brough up a different situation.
Didn't he miss an opportunity to make a king at 12:35
Sometimes practice in lidraughts but no online 🤐
Isn't draughts a solved game, like tic tac toe and connect 4? First player wins
10 X 10 international draughts is not "solved." Only American checkers is.
12:37 you could've promoted instead of going back
in the min 7:18 black missed the shot ...23-29 is as bad as the scholar mate .
Omg! In our country we call that game ''dama''
Philippines
here in Brazil we also called "dama", btw it's the same name we give to the queen in chess
12:35 you could have jumped to the last row and dubbled your piece
On 12: 42 you could triple jump and premote