Kyren avg over 20 pts last season. only other rb doing that is CMC. for me the 4th round pick has to be Brock Bowers. he went to the Raiders. another close one is Nico Collins with the addition of Diggs there his stock will drop.
As a Seahawks fan, Ken Walkers production was so dependent on how the offense played (yeah ofc) but they’ve gotten stymied in so many games (tennesse game) the past few years I’m hoping Grubs brings more offensive consistency that allows Walker to have a rushing floor (hopefully Haynes helps w that on the oline) But if walkers rushing floor goes from 30 yards to 50 yards a game then I think he’s a low-mid rb1
@@heyitsbraniganim a die hard bear fan. Swift is the worst, then pacheco, then jsn. Honestly dell is my favorite pick of that round. His film just got me feelin some type of way, even with diggs comin to town.
Tank will be the steal of drafts this year. The worrisome of targets is laughable. 592 throws for the Texans last year, 15th in the league, and that number should climb. So who getting all these targets? Just Diggs and Collins? Even if they get 150 each, it still leaves 300+ for the rest. Are they going to throw it 100+ times to Schultz? Mixon? Or is it Woods and Brown stealing all these targets? Or will it be Dell, the best route runner they have, a guy who has a knack for getting behind defenders, and is great at catching TD's.
Kyren Williams is a classic late round guy who had 1 great year and followed by his team drafting a rookie RB. Virtually every RB with that profile crashes and burns the next year.
I think honorable mention in the second is Garrett Wilson. He has never shown he’s capable of being a WR1. Every receiver around him besides MHJ has had a much better season than him. He’s a good young player, but I never take him in the second because I just don’t think his ceiling is as high as we project it to be. He and Olave should honestly both be like 4th round picks.
Based on the volume of RBs mentioned here, do you think the way the fantasy community interacts with RBs in dynasty is just fundamentally flawed? How many and how far would they have to be pushed down to be values again?
Dynasty rbs are tough because you value previous production as an indicator of future production, but rb has shown to be such a hot potato that you value what’s ahead of them more than what just happened because that production doesn’t always remain… So many of those vet rbs who might only have 1-2 years of production (Jacobs/Henry/mixon) are still being valued for all the rb 1 seasons they’ve had so they need to keep that level of production just to have their value tread water I saw mixon go in the 10th before move to Texans and now he’s mid 8th, so maybe he should really be in the mid 9th… I tell ya tho just looking at mixon and Jacobs in the 5th vs 8th I could see those guys having the same production level and shelf life
Can you get the data correct? You guys are talking about a guy at the 7.1 but the screen says 7.3. Then you want to pick Stevenson as the worst pick in the 8th round but actually he was in the 7th according to the data on the screen. I like the content but have you screen match what you are saying.
10 team, spflx, start 10, ppr. Breece for Metcalf, Achane. My wrs are nabers, Higgins, brown, Johnson, Ladd, Pearsall and a few others. Rbs, breece, javonte, charbonnet, Davis, braelon.
The hate isn’t on kyren… is that there were no other rbs competing for touches with him and his volume and opportunity share were massive. That’s not to say corum was drafted to take away from kyren, but, to ensure that they have 2 guys they’re comfortable handing the rock to. Rbs get banged up a lot… more teams are having multiple rbs with similar skill sets
How do people STILL buy all the way in on late round RBs with 1 year of opportunity based production, whose team then immediately drafts an RB higher the following draft? How many of these do we need to see?
@@josephrafferty6763 because RB is such a dead position. Fantasy owners act like all the stars need to align perfectly for a RB to be good (age, contract, competition for touches, etc.) realistically there’s like 5 guys in the league who fit that description. If I see a 23 year old coming off a top-7 RB season in fantasy, I’m valuing him high. Who cares where he was drafted too? I don’t think the Rams front office is just sitting around after watching Kyren dominate saying “ya he’s really good, but we took him in Round 5 two years ago so how about we don’t play him”
Bookmark post here. To come back when kyren Williams comes out RB2 1500+total yard 18ttd. Or come back and edit this after he ends up injured with corum taking over.😢
@@chaoscarter7best argument I see is that RBs should be viewed in 1-2 year windows and Jacobs has shown to be capable of producing and staying healthy, and he's tied to an offense that was budding last year and could legitimately explode
Achane can never sustain that efficiency, Tua is a long term question mark, and they added Wright. Plus Achane is injury prone, strong pass at his price.
@@calvinwood7120You said it. ‘Never going to be a bellcow’. For that price point I’m drafting a Bellcow or some other position. Everyone is chasing what this guy did against a few of the worst defenses in the league. They will be sorely disappointed and his ADP is going to be a lot lower next year.
@@MichaelBronte yes wasnt a bellcow when he was insanely productive that’s how an efficiency outlier works… you’re also paying a premium because he has 3 more years on his rookie deal as the lead back in an elite offense
@@calvinwood7120 well, we have difference of opinion what the ‘lead back’ is in that offense. Again, for my money at his price I want a true lead RB who is going to get GL etc and all the premium touches.
@@MichaelBronte lead back and bellcow are different terms… nfl is moving away from bellcow backs as a whole so they’re becoming rare Lead backs include jahmyr Gibbs, Ken walker, and Achane is a little more projection w mostert out soon and the injuries he had Not saying it’s not expensive but if you’d rather have Josh Jacobs because he’s gonna be a bellcow back for a year and we’ll see after that then go ahead
Above average, passing focused offense with good weapons… even if you don’t think baker is a franchise qb, doesn’t negate him likely being a qb2 for the next few seasons w Evans
Above average, passing focused offense with good weapons… even if you don’t think baker is a franchise qb, doesn’t negate him likely being a qb2 for the next few seasons w Evans
@@thebigdant6210 Tbf nobody is looking at him as a top 10 or qb1 (especially with how many qbs got hurt) Baker is ranked as the 23rd qb in dynasty… a bottom of the barrel qb 2 who will easily outperform that ranking
I would say there is 0 value in Jameson williams and nick chubb Def has some, can't even trade for him in leagues ....u couldn't give me Jameson for free ....bad take , rbs especially depth prices are 1000x more valuable to a useless wr that will never ever start
These ADP's are awful, I've done like 8 paid startups on sleeper this offseason and these are wildly inaccurate, i get this is real data but there clearly isn't enough real data because paid startups do not go like this at all
I feel like this shouldn't need to be said, but ADP does not capture the variance you'll experience in your individual drafts. Especially in the context of dynasty where builds between managers is so different. Every league is so different in the way that people draft. I've seen leagues where anyone considered "older" is pushed way down, and others where those same players went multiple rounds higher. Dynasty creates such a crazy dynamic that ADP will never perfectly reflect what can happen in a draft. That's one of the reasons it's so much more fun than redraft IMO.
@@josefbecker6792 forget variance, I've done 8 paid sleeper startup drafts this offseason, in every single one jordan love and kyler have gone before CMC but this ADP has them comfortably below him. It's just flat out innacurate, in almost every round there is an egregious ADP that doesn't happen in actuality. To the point I wonder how they are even collecting this data
@@hillaryclintonportis7020 8 is definetly a meaningful sample when they are all paid and there aren’t outliers doesn’t take a genius to gather a range of
"[ken walker] he's got a little juice left" blud hes 23 😭
Kyren avg over 20 pts last season. only other rb doing that is CMC. for me the 4th round pick has to be Brock Bowers. he went to the Raiders. another close one is Nico Collins with the addition of Diggs there his stock will drop.
As a Seahawks fan, Ken Walkers production was so dependent on how the offense played (yeah ofc) but they’ve gotten stymied in so many games (tennesse game) the past few years I’m hoping Grubs brings more offensive consistency that allows Walker to have a rushing floor (hopefully Haynes helps w that on the oline)
But if walkers rushing floor goes from 30 yards to 50 yards a game then I think he’s a low-mid rb1
The complete dismissal of the Ben Sinnot talk had me in stitches 🤣🤣 he is a sneaky TE option tho 🤫
Tank might be scary but he’s 100% strouds dude, forget coach speak let’s follow that stroud speak
I traded tank for McBride straight up. Thoughts
@@jaysonsalsbery8430 Tank would have to do a whole lot for that not to be a W for you… I think trey is a round or 2 ahead
Them saying Tank and not JSN was crazy
@@heyitsbraniganim a die hard bear fan. Swift is the worst, then pacheco, then jsn. Honestly dell is my favorite pick of that round. His film just got me feelin some type of way, even with diggs comin to town.
Tank will be the steal of drafts this year. The worrisome of targets is laughable. 592 throws for the Texans last year, 15th in the league, and that number should climb. So who getting all these targets? Just Diggs and Collins? Even if they get 150 each, it still leaves 300+ for the rest. Are they going to throw it 100+ times to Schultz? Mixon? Or is it Woods and Brown stealing all these targets? Or will it be Dell, the best route runner they have, a guy who has a knack for getting behind defenders, and is great at catching TD's.
Kyren hate is wild. Dude averaged 100 yards a game. Sure corum hurts his value but saying kyren was never that guy is crazy
Kyren Williams is a classic late round guy who had 1 great year and followed by his team drafting a rookie RB. Virtually every RB with that profile crashes and burns the next year.
Walker is 23 lol
2 legendary nick intros back to back
I think honorable mention in the second is Garrett Wilson. He has never shown he’s capable of being a WR1. Every receiver around him besides MHJ has had a much better season than him. He’s a good young player, but I never take him in the second because I just don’t think his ceiling is as high as we project it to be. He and Olave should honestly both be like 4th round picks.
Trippin trippin
CMC still your least favorite in Tiered PPR (0.5 for WRs, 1.0 for RBs)?
What are your thoughts on cmac with the pick 1.07 3rd round reversal startup.
Too early you can get him on the back end most likely. Worst case scenario you get Breece. I’m assuming you’re talking about a SF Dynasty startup
@@VileGeed the last 3 picks do the second round went bijan breece then Wilson then it started the 3rd round
@@mikelock8669 then Breece fell too far
Someone please explain to me why Swift’s ADP is the 6.12
In which direction? Think too high or too low?
KC traded a third rounder for Toney, not second. So basically pick 100+ from where they select from.
Agree with Olave. Currently in a 14 team SF TEP startup and took London at 3.06 with Olave still on the board. Got Etienne at the 4.09.
This ADP is just crazy in general
I recently became a BDGE member. Where can I find rookie only dynasty rankings?
where do yall like taking cmc? He fell in one of my leagues so I moved up to grab him at the 3.03
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anywhere in round 2 seems like a steal
Based on the volume of RBs mentioned here, do you think the way the fantasy community interacts with RBs in dynasty is just fundamentally flawed? How many and how far would they have to be pushed down to be values again?
A lot of them are already values
Dynasty rbs are tough because you value previous production as an indicator of future production, but rb has shown to be such a hot potato that you value what’s ahead of them more than what just happened because that production doesn’t always remain…
So many of those vet rbs who might only have 1-2 years of production (Jacobs/Henry/mixon) are still being valued for all the rb 1 seasons they’ve had so they need to keep that level of production just to have their value tread water
I saw mixon go in the 10th before move to Texans and now he’s mid 8th, so maybe he should really be in the mid 9th… I tell ya tho just looking at mixon and Jacobs in the 5th vs 8th I could see those guys having the same production level and shelf life
why did we start in round 2 confusing
Can you get the data correct? You guys are talking about a guy at the 7.1 but the screen says 7.3. Then you want to pick Stevenson as the worst pick in the 8th round but actually he was in the 7th according to the data on the screen. I like the content but have you screen match what you are saying.
Every year Nick doesn't like the cost of Olave and even as a Saints fan, I always agree lol
12 Team SF start 10 5PT pass td: Stroud or Puka and Goff?
I just got BTJ and Tank back to back at 7.03 and 7.04 in a startup 12 team sf
10 team, spflx, start 10, ppr. Breece for Metcalf, Achane. My wrs are nabers, Higgins, brown, Johnson, Ladd, Pearsall and a few others. Rbs, breece, javonte, charbonnet, Davis, braelon.
Pollard - looked through all my leagues and he was worth like a late 1st early 2nd in all of mine. And that's still fine honestly.
ain't no one giving you a 1st for pollard
@@BDGEDynastyFantasyFootball someone offered me 1.12 in SF for pollar/3.12. But I was asleep and they shipped it for javonte. That was in March 2024.
That AD Mitchell pick at 10.09 is far worse than Kmet imo
1.03
Kendre Miller
Christian Kirk
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Olave
JSN
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What side?
1.03
1.03
1.03 + kirk + kendre
itching for the trade reviews.
Why all the Kyren hate?? Dude was a top 7 RB at 23 years old. What else do you want from him?
The hate isn’t on kyren… is that there were no other rbs competing for touches with him and his volume and opportunity share were massive. That’s not to say corum was drafted to take away from kyren, but, to ensure that they have 2 guys they’re comfortable handing the rock to. Rbs get banged up a lot… more teams are having multiple rbs with similar skill sets
How do people STILL buy all the way in on late round RBs with 1 year of opportunity based production, whose team then immediately drafts an RB higher the following draft? How many of these do we need to see?
@@josephrafferty6763 because RB is such a dead position. Fantasy owners act like all the stars need to align perfectly for a RB to be good (age, contract, competition for touches, etc.) realistically there’s like 5 guys in the league who fit that description. If I see a 23 year old coming off a top-7 RB season in fantasy, I’m valuing him high. Who cares where he was drafted too? I don’t think the Rams front office is just sitting around after watching Kyren dominate saying “ya he’s really good, but we took him in Round 5 two years ago so how about we don’t play him”
@@Frawgs0927amen 👏🏻
how do u say its rude to skip intros then make them as obnoxious as possible, wonder why ppl skip it. I mean who actually likes hearing that
Olave in that tier - he's maybe next mike evans or amari. Always valued low but gives you 1200 8 for 10 years.
you're in that tier
Bookmark post here. To come back when kyren Williams comes out RB2 1500+total yard 18ttd. Or come back and edit this after he ends up injured with corum taking over.😢
I feel like Nick changed his mind on Kyren from here until now anyway
Ken walker super gamescript dependent at this point
I can't believe Josh Jacobs wasn't the obvious pick for round 5!
No guaranteed long term contract, I agree.
@@chaoscarter7best argument I see is that RBs should be viewed in 1-2 year windows and Jacobs has shown to be capable of producing and staying healthy, and he's tied to an offense that was budding last year and could legitimately explode
The CMC hate is crazy, he wins leagues period
Chubb had 2 surgeries 1 for each ligament he tore
Achane can never sustain that efficiency, Tua is a long term question mark, and they added Wright. Plus Achane is injury prone, strong pass at his price.
Was never gonna be a bellcow back, Wright is the changing of the guard for mostert… don’t see impact to achane
@@calvinwood7120You said it. ‘Never going to be a bellcow’. For that price point I’m drafting a Bellcow or some other position. Everyone is chasing what this guy did against a few of the worst defenses in the league. They will be sorely disappointed and his ADP is going to be a lot lower next year.
@@MichaelBronte yes wasnt a bellcow when he was insanely productive that’s how an efficiency outlier works… you’re also paying a premium because he has 3 more years on his rookie deal as the lead back in an elite offense
@@calvinwood7120 well, we have difference of opinion what the ‘lead back’ is in that offense. Again, for my money at his price I want a true lead RB who is going to get GL etc and all the premium touches.
@@MichaelBronte lead back and bellcow are different terms… nfl is moving away from bellcow backs as a whole so they’re becoming rare
Lead backs include jahmyr Gibbs, Ken walker, and Achane is a little more projection w mostert out soon and the injuries he had
Not saying it’s not expensive but if you’d rather have Josh Jacobs because he’s gonna be a bellcow back for a year and we’ll see after that then go ahead
What’s Andrew’s last name
His name is Mark Andrew’s. That is his last name. Moneyman TE3 redraft
someone took worthy 5.01 in my recent startup💀
Im an idiot. But im still all the way in on tank dell at adp.
KW3 disrespect is wild
Tbh, I’m not high on Baker. I’ve seen this show before. He has a great season one year, then he regresses super hard.
Above average, passing focused offense with good weapons… even if you don’t think baker is a franchise qb, doesn’t negate him likely being a qb2 for the next few seasons w Evans
Above average, passing focused offense with good weapons… even if you don’t think baker is a franchise qb, doesn’t negate him likely being a qb2 for the next few seasons w Evans
@@calvinwood7120 fair points, I just don’t think he’s not going to be the QB9 overall like last season
@@thebigdant6210 Tbf nobody is looking at him as a top 10 or qb1 (especially with how many qbs got hurt) Baker is ranked as the 23rd qb in dynasty… a bottom of the barrel qb 2 who will easily outperform that ranking
« Kyren is not talented » is a take that only a dude who has never watch him play would have
kinda pointless video when all of the ADPs are so far off reality.
I would say there is 0 value in Jameson williams and nick chubb Def has some, can't even trade for him in leagues ....u couldn't give me Jameson for free ....bad take , rbs especially depth prices are 1000x more valuable to a useless wr that will never ever start
These ADP's are awful, I've done like 8 paid startups on sleeper this offseason and these are wildly inaccurate, i get this is real data but there clearly isn't enough real data because paid startups do not go like this at all
This ADP is all based on only real paid startups.
I feel like this shouldn't need to be said, but ADP does not capture the variance you'll experience in your individual drafts. Especially in the context of dynasty where builds between managers is so different. Every league is so different in the way that people draft. I've seen leagues where anyone considered "older" is pushed way down, and others where those same players went multiple rounds higher. Dynasty creates such a crazy dynamic that ADP will never perfectly reflect what can happen in a draft. That's one of the reasons it's so much more fun than redraft IMO.
@@josefbecker6792 forget variance, I've done 8 paid sleeper startup drafts this offseason, in every single one jordan love and kyler have gone before CMC but this ADP has them comfortably below him. It's just flat out innacurate, in almost every round there is an egregious ADP that doesn't happen in actuality. To the point I wonder how they are even collecting this data
@@trynagocrayz12you can’t really believe 8 is a meaningful sample. I just finished a paid draft where CMC went 2.01
@@hillaryclintonportis7020 8 is definetly a meaningful sample when they are all paid and there aren’t outliers doesn’t take a genius to gather a range of
If you aren’t selling Kyren Williams and Achane you’re losing value
Zamir is not somebody I take over Pollard any day.
Mistake
Something in me never wants him on any team ever lol
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11:01 Josh jacobs is the easy bad choice
horrible take
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wow this is dumb
Seriously? Tuck in your shirts!