Jim Cornette on If George Scott Wanted To Book Randy Savage As Champ Instead Of Hulk Hogan
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- From Episode 267 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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When Jim grunts " I swear to God " u know it's a good one.
This ^
When he does that deep sigh, you know he's really about to go in
Yes
I don't know why Randy Ravage has me rolling.
Ruh roh Raggy
And he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you kids! 😂
It's the waffle house!
Macho Man Randy Savage. Many have come and gone. He is still my favorite after all these years.
Cream of the crop
No body does it better!!!!
And the beat goes on and the beat goes on and the beat goes on..
Nothing means nothing 👑
@Ted Bell. Preach my man, preach.
I grew up watching George Scott's booking first hand. Sure, he fielded ideas from guys like Mulligan and Ole, but he was a very hands-on "showrunner" with an incredible eye for detail. You could literally tell the week Ole took the book in 1981 (the TV formatting changed, guys who weren't wrestling on a show *didn't* change into street clothes to do promos, etc). He controlled the aura of the presentation. I knew Scott wouldn't like the Midnights & Corny when he took over in '89. His philosophy was that managers were semi-passive mouthpieces (who often *sat in a chair* at ringside) or babysitters (sometimes as a shoot) for talent, not the featured component of the act. He also broke up The Freebirds in Georgia (which wasn't the worst thing since Hayes got over huge as a babyface and Gordy & Snuka were probably the best heel team in the biz at that time). It was just a philosophical difference, and yeah, he was also ravaged by then-undiagnosed Alzheimer's (and whatever personality flaws he may or may not have brought to the table already). But make no mistake, '70s/early '80s George Scott was on fucking point. Post mid-'80s? Not so much.
Hogan made an entire career of stifling Randy Savage
God I missed the eagle WWF world title one of the best looking world titles ever made🔥🔥🔥🔥
I agree but did you not see Iron S world title? It was more credible looking.. eagle one is dope too...
It looked great but it should have been a US title. Because eagle. As far as the arcs on the outside, those were great and were good on a world title, but should have been laurel wreaths (for excellence and victory) like the UN logo uses olive branches (for peace)
Randy Ravage sounds like the legally safe name a Vivid WWF porn parody would give Macho Man, alongside Sinsational Sherry, Big Dong Studd, The Humpster, The Cockers, and The One Man Bang.
Bet this excited the lil jimmy
Thank you for making me chuckle sir
Big Dong Studd 😭
One Man Gang Bang
Big Balls Man.
Piper actually buried George Scott in his book saying essentially that he was a stooge for Vince and that they had an altercation around WM2.
Piper vs Mr America at MAnia 2 ...damn we didnt see it..and god bless Bundy but Piper was better..and never got pined at Mania 1
Which book? Piper had two books.
@@murray1978 I only know about In The Pit With Piper that was released in 2002
Met Randy a couple times at Big Daddy’s Powerhouse Gym in Garden City Michigan in 92 & 93. Talked quite a bit. Hell of a nice guy and I was just a big dumb star struck kid. His voice! That wasn’t a TV gimmick…
It was his gimmick voice, but he used that voice so much, it fucked up his vocal chords.
No agony no bragony
Macho Man Randy Savage is the GOAT.
Randy Ravage is an original character, like Rickey Rouse and Monald Muck.
Savage was THE GUY who put the new age total package type wrestler on the map. He had an EPIC BLEND of mic skills, main event IT factor/charisma, technical skills, aerial ability, and is great as either a face or heel! After Mach we got HBK, Eddie, Angle, Jericho, Danielson, Punk, etc. They all put their unique stamp on that type of wrestler. But Savage was the one who put that package together in an epic manner first! And rose to the top in the biggest wrestling company of all time!
I keep saying Savage beating Mr America at MAnia 6 ... way better ...better long term deal but Vince fucked up ..just like Mania 2 ..Piper vs Mr America..better option..
CM Punk is nowhere near the level of Macho
Jim says the same thing about Scott that Bruce Prichard says about Jerry Jarrett - "By the time I met he was gone, etc."
Randy Ravage is the Dollar General version of the macho man
Wish.
I would love to have a description of this early WWF booking/creative team worked. Not a lot of accounts of it.
Savage was always better than Hogan.
LOL
Hogan is good but very old school compared to savage
FACTS
Facts
I can't believe how people get away on this platform by saying they wished Larry the dog to die. Kenny Omega and his misfits should never be able to wrestle again!!!!!!!!!!!
Every mid card guy says he would of been the biggest star in wrestling if not for Hogan. Just like now everyone was misused by wwe they go to aew and still can't get over.
Better yet, a jobber claims it was all hogans fault he stayed a jobber his entire career
"Nothing means nothing " - Macho King 👑 Randy Savage
Freak out freak out.
Ohhh the danger zone yeah. No one is safe in the danger zone.
That gets deeper the longer you think about it.
Ruh roh Randy Ravage (Scooby-Doo voice)
“The one time I’ll say something good about George Scott… Alzheimer’s ridden piece of sh**” Never change, Jim.
I always remember Randy Savage and Jake Roberts came in kinda around the same time, within the same year to WWF. Even though they were smaller matches their 2 matches at Wrestlemania 2 (Savage and George Steele became something we'd see more in the next year) were very interesting to me as a kid cause they felt like two of the newest WWF starts that were most interesting.
I was just really starting to love wrestling then and them two along with the British Bulldogs and the Hart Foundation all began their Wrestlemania moments in Wrestlemania 2. Sadly the Bulldogs best Wrestlemania moment was at that event.
I can still remember the first time I saw Jake Roberts do the DDT and the first time I saw the Bulldogs and I'd always say those guys were the main reason I got into wrestling. Savage and Brett Hart too... Used to love the piledriver Hart used as his finisher back then.
I read somewhere that Jake Roberts gave Hulk Hogan the DDT during the Snake Pit at a TV taping to set up a Hogan and Roberts feud. But the fans in the audience went over for the Snake, causing Vince to scrap the plan and turn Jake face.
Mr G the story is true but it was hogan who killed it as he as afraid jake was gonna take his spot by that time the fans were tired of hogan
i’ve been watching episodes of WWF Wrestling Challenge from 86/87 between WM 2 and 3 and I have heard Vince say “Sports Entertainment” several times. He even said it during his big introduction of WM 1 in 1985. I wonder when Vince first coined the term sports entertainment?
It was the intro to every show ..."the worldwide leader in sports entertainment"
When Tony Atlas and the Iron Sheik came into World Class when Scott took over from Ken Mantell, both men had been fired from the WWF. The one exception was Ricky Steamboat, who was loaned to Scott and Fritz as a one time favor to them so he could buy the World Class tv time slots, which never materialized. Steamboat wrestled the Magnificent Zulu at the October 86 Cotton Bowl. The funny thing was it was done under the agreement that they couldn’t show it on television.
Jim Cornette: “George Scott was in early-mid stage dementia when booking for WCW”
Jim Cornette: re Joe Biden …. Crickets
Come on man, chocolate chip.
I just saw the Florida Championship Wrestling story (part of it) and Hogan had made his bones and had friends, plus he changed the landscape. PERIOD. He was meant to be the guy and champ at that time. You can hate him then or even now. Brian is right, Hogan was smart and saw the big picture. Yep, Pat was liked universally and wrestlers respected him.
That’s the issue. Vince only cared about money that he killed wrestling to make himself a billionaire
I think anything that Hogan gets credit for, should be re-examined. He has done way more damage to the business than good. Remember, all the Hogan love in the 80’s was simply the first time that regional love of specific wrestlers transferred to national love. When I say “national love” it was Northeast and some west coast as most of the south and much of the east coast was still with WCW. To top it off, Hogan wasn’t on top that long. He was good for 3.5 years, then in-out with Warrior and Savage hauling the load, at times. His rebound in the 90’s WCW was money losing. Hogan was a factor in the death of WCW, and a much bigger factor in the death of TNA, even if the company isn’t technically dead.
Every Time Savage got his hands on the belt Hogan was in the ring trying to steal the limelight.
Not true Savage had 1992 Hogan was gone that same night WM8 when Savage won his second title
@@melvynsngltn27 Hogan was busy doing other things that like main eventing a terrible match and also trying to bang Liz
If he was still in the WWF, you can bet your last Slim Jim, 'Hogan' would have had something to do with Grand Standing & Hot doggin' it on 'Macho Madness' spot light time!!@@melvynsngltn27
I'm snapping into a slim jim as we speak
OOOH YEAH!!!!
Did George Scott also write the title of this video?
LOL I can't believe I heard the words Mario Mancini again. The ultimate jobber.
Randy Ravage was in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
"That aint gonna work for me, brother." - you know who
This time it was Vince saying it
The macho man is just the definition of a perfect wwf superstar lol so damn awesome in every way!!!!!
EXACTLY!!! Once Vince started his national rollout, it CHANGED the game in terms of potential star power. Because he created a machine to could get certain superstars to POP CULTURE ICON type of status. It's a very rare group. Hogan, Andre, Savage, and Piper were in that group. Savage had that type of IT factor to transcend wrestling.
BUT when u look STRICTLY at Savage's in ring ability, he was one of the best wrestlers on the planet. And FOR DAMN SURE on of the most complete in ring wrestlers on the planet. From there he LEGIT had awesome mic skills. And of course could be great as a face or heel! And Savage wasn't the biggest guy.
BUT for guys his in his size range (235-240), h had as good of a look as anybody! I'm talking physique and entrance/ring gear wise. So he was the PERFECT SUPERSTAR! WAYYYY ahead of his time! Frankly my favorite wrestler of all time along with Flair!
Googled Randy Ravage thinking maybe Savage went by another name at one point I didn't know about. Got some...interesting results.
Yeah that was a rookie mistake...
Did you have to clear out your search history? 😆
Well shit, now I'm curious...
I never trust that google! You misspell one word,and it brands you a pervert for life!!! I swear to God,I was looking for grandfather cLocks!
I appreciate the gift James Cornett is. He has a very calming voice ☺️.
"Maybe I can get my finger in there somewhere."-Jim Cornette
8:46 that's just normal in England, you don't talk to people in a lift/elevator lol
Looking forward to Jim’s take on the Bloodline segment.
Best thing on any wrestling program this week.
@@MrSircharles05 oh definitely! It’s been awhile iv had a good laugh when everyone broke character. Sammi is a treasure
@@MrSircharles05 agreed
@@jasonwoot5199 it's been a long time since I laughed that hard.
I really enjoyed that segment..Jim did also
Macho Man Randy Ravage must be the version of Macho Man from the mirror universe...
I love Savage, but no way you take the belt off of Hogan in 1985. The story makes no sense.
Hogan was the PERFECT GUY for the vision wanted to create! If Vince wanted an Attitude Era type of vision, Savage ACTUALLY would have been a superior pick to Hogan. If it was an NWA 80's vision Vince wanted to portray, Savage would have been a better pick than Hogan. BOTH had transcendant level charisma. And would have been world champs and main eventers in any era.
BUT Vince wanted a wholesome All American image. With a World Champ who was a jacked large heavyweight type. And one who could connect through the audience with great mic skills and transcendant level charisma. Hogan was LITERALLY the perfect pick! Makes absolute NO SENSE to have anybody else as the Golden Goose!
The Eagle belt will forever be my favorite WWF belt nothing come close
George Scott is the genius that wanted Jake The Snake to give Steamboat the DDT on the concrete in Providence.
George Scott was apparently fired from WWE as booker because he wanted to institute drug testing, and Hogan and allies forced him out.
I think "Andy Average" would be a quite fitting name for Johnny "Sameface" Gargano. And Moxley should go by the name of "Mud-Show Man".
"What's the difference, personality wise, between George and Sandy? Jeeeeeeesus Christ!!! 😂😂😂
Randy Ravage about to debut on AEW
What? Big John Studd and Hogan feuded in 1984. They had several matches. Studd won the first by count out and won a battle royal by last eliminating Hogan and Andre. Hogan won all of the other matches between them. They even settled things in a cage match. That's a feud. It's not a one off.
LMFAO Who's Randy Ravage lol I noticed the typo straight away 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sorry but if guys like Scott ran wrestling it would've never become global.
Scott was booking WWF during its original boom period.
So, George Scott was The Ultimate Warrior?
Ooooooh YEAH
Did Randy Savage talk differently when not doing promos or did he always talk like he was constipated?
Clicked to look at that glorious belt.
Me too.
What is Randy Ravage doing in the Impact Zone?
I’ll tell you what. Randy made the IC belt matter when I was a kid.
Not some 2 bit Elvis who doesn’t know the difference between a g string, and a gutair string.
Ooohhhh yeah!!!
I bet this clip gets more views than Sarayas next appearance on the experience.
But probably not as many as her most famous appearance
@@wilcee238 The oreo combo approves! 😁
George Scott was also responsible for the most infamous spot that happened on an episode of Saturday Night's Main Event:
ua-cam.com/video/qLzHTVd1Qcs/v-deo.html
I'm pretty sure everyone heard the backstory behind it
To be fair there's no way Ravage would've been made champ at that time. If Vince wouldn't jeopardize Hulkamania for Jake, he wouldn't have done it for Savage either. Scott may have wanted to, but it still wouldn't have happened unless Vince ok'd it, and at the time he never would have. This is all still back in the day when championship reigns lasted years. That said, Savage would've been (and was as a face) a great champion, but he'd have probably lost it back to Hogan before too long anyway since NY was a babyface territory.
What was the beef between George Scott and Jim Cornette.
Basically he booked Midnight like crap
@@razvangeorgescu1556 ok thanks and yes they did treated Jim Cornette and the Midnight Express like crap
0:22 my man’s ain’t feeling it 😂
Randy Ravage is a great name ngl.
I’m one of the biggest Randy Savage fans out there. But to me, Savage was not necessarily the strongest world champion at any point in his career in my opinion.
He was great without a world title the way The Undertaker was. All of the top guys aren’t all necessarily bonafide world champions - there’s many other examples to prove it.
He could have been a great long term world champion had Hogan gotten out of the way and let him beat him. Vince and Bischoff left money on the table not pushing Savage like Hogan.
@@brucegough Savage didn’t have a main event or mainstream type promo strong enough to carry the company (eg., Hogan, Flair, Piper, Michaels, Austin).
Savage was good at promos, but he wasn’t great like the aforementioned names. His promos lacked depth and psychology. But they were packed with charisma and intensity.
I’ve always thought that if Savage had promo skills like Hogan, Michaels or Piper, he would have been an even bigger star than he already was, IMO!
@@Jerrell_Johnson Savage's promo style MATCHED the character he was trying to portray overall. Savage had AWESOME mic skills. More than enough to carry a company for damn sure. It's just that Hogan, Flair, Piper, and Austin were better on the mic. Savage's mic skills were better than HBK though. Mainstream wise, MORE PEOPLE would rather hear a Savage promo than an HBK promo.
Savage was EASILY an icon would could carry a company. It's that he was around the same time as a peak Hulk Hogan. AND NOBODY was better equipped to carry the WWF at that time than Hogan! And charisma/IT factor trumps great mic skills every day of the week. Just because you have great mic skills DOESN'T mean you are equipped to be a main eventer or world champ in a major company.
Cain and Able Scott
Savage over MR America at Mania 6 woulda been better...Savage was a better long time business deal and Vince fucked up twice...
George Scott lived in the past more than Jim does
At least Jim's Past was filled with classic wrestling not this cosplay acrobat idiots
And the funniest thing is Vince Mcmahon know how to do Pro Wrestling, he just chose not to do it at most times (Stone Cold Steve Austin Austin and The Rock feud).. George Scott who I'm not too fond of did wanna do Wrestling and keep the cartoon stuff away from the product.. I give him that much credit.. Vince Mcmahon seen money in Saturday Morning Cartoons so he wanted that money too.. that's my only thought of it..
Love you jim
7:12
The irony is astounding.
How the f would Jim know? Was he there? No he was working the half rate NWA hillbilly wrasslin. It was real by god!
Nacho Man Randy Ravage ... Oooh Yeah!!!
I love when jim talks about herd and wcw need more
That Alzheimer's line was a bit much
But funny. Vintage Cornette. 1:12.
Who's Randy Ravage?
CORNETTE is WRESTLING
"He didn't want entertainment."
Wrestling is entertainment lol.
Cornette is talking about guys like him & Scott just wanted wrestling.
In this day and age Macho Man is the most well known wrestler from the 80s and early 90s!!!! Truly the best! Flair 2nd most known then Hogan
Randy Ravage
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Scott wanted to book Savage as champ instead of Hogan? When was that, in 84, when Hulk was first given the title? Savage was still in ICW when Hogan was made champion. And I really doubt Vince sent any of "his guys" to WCCW to help George out, Atlas and Sheik went to World Class because they weren't employed by the WWF and were free agents.
86
@@brucegough Tony Atlas left the WWF in 1986. He didn't return until 1990 as Saba Simba.
i would of liked to seen macho man 3 time wwe champ
Me too. But Back then titles didn't switch hands often. Bruno was only a 2 time champion too, Backlund only once until he briefly won it a second time in 94. I mean in the whole 80s, only Backlund, Sheik as transitional Champ, Hogan and Savage were the World Champions.
I always wanted to book Cornette vs Mike Tenay in an evening gown match......
That explains the crown
Hogan didn't like guys that were about his size or smaller that matched his strength and would be perceived as threats.
Yay
O wow
The best match at wrestlmania 5 was the mega powers explored
Randy Ravage lmao
Randy Ravage huh? lol
Randy Ravage!
Why can I see Transformers Ravage now speaking with Randy Savage's voice...
Cornette still stuck in 84
It's a question about 84.
1st
Nobody gives a fuck.
Randy Ravage would have been first, if it wasn't for Hogan.
CALLING BULLSHIT. Made him a loot.
There was only one Hulk Hogan, which is why Hulk Hogan and not anyone else built the entire business for everyone
Facts.
This guy and his Dad Angelo Poffo invaded Memphis one Saturday Morning in 1983, called out Jerry "The King" Lawler, and referred to himself as "The Best In The World." Did I mention that this was 1983, long before it was cool or even fashionable to do so?😉🎤🎸🎼🤼♂️B.W.
Savage is the fucking GOAT and its not even close. Austin, Rock, Inoki, and Punk round out the top 5. Fight me.
Inoki relevant again to the kiddies now that he just died
@@brucegough Inoki been relevant where tf you been. You Hogan marks are goofy.
Another lie from Hulk Hogan yet again
Claiming "Sandy Ravage" as my female alter-ego wrestling name. 🤼♀
Love it.