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The reason ulti is still better is bc it has high enough damage to bypass anti modules. Fire rate doesnt rlly matter. The no delay is what makes it compete with ulti
Fire rate really does matter, if Deadly Icicle was much slower, maybe as slow as these guns, it would be called inferior to the Ultimatum, but in regards to this shotgun, whether it is better for 3cs is debatable, but Ultimatum is definitely better when spamming it than this since both have slow fire rates. Also, "bypass" certainly isn't the right word, Ultimatum has high enough damage to make anti-mods not do too much to it, but anti-mods are anti-mods, Ultimatum on its own wouldn't be great considering many people have armors that have 160 durability and over that.
@@StrawberryShartCak3180 armor durability. Ultimatum even with anti modules takes two shots to kill me. Deadly Icicle is technically better tho than the two with it's weakness, and the fire rate makes it comparable to 3 cat just by spamming it.
No, the damage is very much high enough to bypass anti-mods. And besides that, the no delays and faster firerate make dragoneer not just better than ulti, but way better.
198 dmg ain't enough to bypass antimods at close even. While 225 is enough da he'll u talking about? (Unless you mean turtle shell) or ppl only sticking with 260 armor but alot of ppl still got 280 sooo
Deadly Icicle is still stronger than Dragneer because it has weakening and just 8 less dmg, also has a higher fire rate. Dragoneer is only good (esecially for cat spam), but deadly icicle is more powerful in general
*Noice I still have to wait 3 days for the new pixel pass and also if you go in the 'events tab" I seen that they are adding back the Dash Tiger melee weapon (idk the names well) but bro im SO HYPE FOR THAT because its the best dash aside from the lvl 65 chest. I just hope it's ez to get*
@Rompulus yes it isn't but I'm saying it technically is better because firerate is similar enough and no delay is bypassable with the right guns. (However we might see ppl spam broken weps with this and then it might be better till it gets a nerf if that's the case)
dragoneer definitely better than ulti cause of better fire rate and no delay which is broken but it’s still not better than deadly icicle so it’s still the best one out of the three “ulti’s”
Needs a buff imo.. either that or deadly icicle needs a nerf. From a balancing perspective, this thing needs to be atleast in between ulti and deadly icicle... I dont see a reason for deadly icicle to be this powerful... Its like you gave rune buster weakness, no delay.
I am an og and i like this sure deadly Icicle still dominates these two shot guns but i like this shot gun bc of no delays i want to see more shot guns that get used at least more variety
Damn this pixel pass be giving the advertisement spammers (ppl who watch ads for resources like me) the most broken stuff ever. I would say this is a bad strategy, but upgrading pixel pass is easy for f2p players and it's also easy to grind. The new sniper and this shotgun would be p2w if they were lottery weapons, but they're not, so I honestly don't hate it *that* much (except the sniper having the healing effect on top of being a better harsh punisher. THat's completely bs).
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Weapons with the "regenerate health and armor during reload" attribute were nerfed
The devs are getting more and more crazy bp def worth tho
This is like comparing the anti champion with his anniversary version, no delay and less damage
And better fire rate
@@StrawberryShartCak3 Fire rate doesn’t really matter. The no delay is what stands out because you can use it perfectly with 3 cat.
@@thomashuber8915the fire rate really does matter, you can switch to it faster
@thomashuber8915 fire rate does matter especially for casuals and gay spammers
@@content9593 How would it matter if cat spamming with it not spamming it alone? Please explain.
The reason ulti is still better is bc it has high enough damage to bypass anti modules. Fire rate doesnt rlly matter. The no delay is what makes it compete with ulti
Fire rate really does matter, if Deadly Icicle was much slower, maybe as slow as these guns, it would be called inferior to the Ultimatum, but in regards to this shotgun, whether it is better for 3cs is debatable, but Ultimatum is definitely better when spamming it than this since both have slow fire rates. Also, "bypass" certainly isn't the right word, Ultimatum has high enough damage to make anti-mods not do too much to it, but anti-mods are anti-mods, Ultimatum on its own wouldn't be great considering many people have armors that have 160 durability and over that.
@@StrawberryShartCak3180 armor durability. Ultimatum even with anti modules takes two shots to kill me. Deadly Icicle is technically better tho than the two with it's weakness, and the fire rate makes it comparable to 3 cat just by spamming it.
No, the damage is very much high enough to bypass anti-mods. And besides that, the no delays and faster firerate make dragoneer not just better than ulti, but way better.
198 dmg ain't enough to bypass antimods at close even. While 225 is enough da he'll u talking about? (Unless you mean turtle shell) or ppl only sticking with 260 armor but alot of ppl still got 280 sooo
Also the firerate is already similar in 3cs (even somewhat if spammed) so u might as well stick with the better dmg
Ultimatum, Fake Pistol, Deadly Icicle, and this. four of them is probably gonna be the most broken shotgun ever existed in PG3D
Fake pistol isn't that op anymore
@@OSHEEVitaminWaterSucksIt functions like one
@@OSHEEVitaminWaterSucks fake pistol is legit a shotgun with the ability to change into a laser when you SCOPE IN. it is LEGIT a shotgun
Fake pistol is trash use literally any other backup shotgun.
Defult shotgun >>>>
I'm just glad that this isn't stronger than Deadly Icicle
It's technically more damage tho ain't it? 190 for Icicle I believe. The weapon effect of DI and fire rate is better tho.
Is bro blind it litterly dominates it
Bro it def it it’s ulti 0.8
Deadly Icicle is still stronger than Dragneer because it has weakening and just 8 less dmg, also has a higher fire rate. Dragoneer is only good (esecially for cat spam), but deadly icicle is more powerful in general
@@dietwater8769 damage goes to the new shotgun but the abilities go to icicle
No way we got 3 op shotguns now 💀⚰️⚰️
They basically made a legendary version of ulti
Legendary?
@@StrawberryShartCak3 he mean "ultimatum downgraded"
@@NuningMinie no it's a mythical too
Ultimatum:Ha ha p2w meta will dominate for sure
*Dragonner enter in the chat*
Ultimatum :💀
Imagine this gets nerfed in the next update 💀
It will be
Deadly Icicle will get the nerf first, if it hasn’t already
(I don’t keep track of balance changes)
Hope its just the usual damage nerf and not adding delays especially fixed delay to nerf it like they did with Gift Stitcher
plot twist it gets buffed@@ghjjiyeqsg1052
it wont be nerfed lol its balanced
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No delay is too OP
bro they made it the same as ulti 💀
Hiya igor :>
Not exactly the same, slightly faster fire rate, worse damage, and no delays, the only similar thing is the attributes
@@content9593 🤓
Chicka boom! This comes to mind
Another way people without ultimatums can have this thing instead:]
Not really it’s here again in the new lottery ☠️
It's on pair with ulti as ur trading 27dmg for no delay seems op but if you use no delay weapons ulti is better
Babe new drot video just dropped🗣️🗣️🗣️🔊🔊🔊🔥🔥🔥
Drot what's your view on the sniper, they just made a carbon copy of the pasta sniper rifle that they're nerfing
The damage is truly HUGE
let us all pray that they nerf this thing
I hope they don't give dragonera a nerf :(
Imagine not having the ultimatum at this point
Hell yeahhh🎉
You don't show the damage of "the new ultimatum" but how cool that there is competition with the ultimatum
He shows, 198 body
Ulti is still better imo, but this competes real hard with ulti
Hardly. All ulti has is damage, while dragoneer is better in literally every other way. Damage is never the only factor
@Rompulus yes it isn't but I'm saying it technically is better because firerate is similar enough and no delay is bypassable with the right guns. (However we might see ppl spam broken weps with this and then it might be better till it gets a nerf if that's the case)
@@Rompulusok so if u use most used loadout which is notik, harsh and ch ulti which is better it's ulti it all depends on loadout
How do I get it
In the next pixel pass
@@leonardotorresdiaz8800 mb I don’t play pg3d anymore
dragoneer definitely better than ulti cause of better fire rate and no delay which is broken but it’s still not better than deadly icicle so it’s still the best one out of the three “ulti’s”
The icicle deals almost the same damage + high speed and clip.
Needs a buff imo.. either that or deadly icicle needs a nerf.
From a balancing perspective, this thing needs to be atleast in between ulti and deadly icicle...
I dont see a reason for deadly icicle to be this powerful...
Its like you gave rune buster weakness, no delay.
The devs know if they give a damage higher than 200 bodyshot, the community is gonna be mad because is a Ultimatum competitor. Farewell...
Yes drot les’t goooo
Remember it will get nerf but ulti wont
But the ultimatum has something that the dragoneer doesn't have.......... that the ultimatum will never get nerfed
I might quit the game at this point bro 😭 game will be unplayable
A shotgun that can actually compete with ulti?
I Love you Drot
new ultimatum but lower damage and no delay
So if i were to use this and master piece musket due to its no delay that means an very easy 2 cat combo
I think that fire rate is a bit more than 55……
What I'm missing after the ban
Wow
Ulti still better, unless.... How is new shotgun's dispersion compared to ulti?... Is it bigger?
Its kind of the same
But i can get it now if I can where?
this is the ultimatum 55.0 bro how many ultimatums do they have to make
I am an og and i like this sure deadly Icicle still dominates these two shot guns but i like this shot gun bc of no delays i want to see more shot guns that get used at least more variety
Damn this pixel pass be giving the advertisement spammers (ppl who watch ads for resources like me) the most broken stuff ever. I would say this is a bad strategy, but upgrading pixel pass is easy for f2p players and it's also easy to grind. The new sniper and this shotgun would be p2w if they were lottery weapons, but they're not, so I honestly don't hate it *that* much (except the sniper having the healing effect on top of being a better harsh punisher. THat's completely bs).
Imma just gonna buy pixel pass cuz i have 540 :)
Ulti have a atrocious reload animation tho
Dragoneer = Cat spam Ultimanium 😂
Just remember, deadly icicle is weapon that exists 💀
In few words is a cheaper ulti
Yes, night ultimatum four years ago, deadly icicle (which I don’t have) and this are just bonuses to my shotgun collection
Dragoneer and Deadly iceberg>>>>>>>>>>ultimatum
Yay! Another broken weapon 🎉
i absolutely agree with your pfp
Ultimatum 2
First icicle then this?
These shotgun releases gotta stop./
Hey guys , i am a new player , how to get this new weapon?
In the battlepass, complete tasks and save up tickets to buy the premium battlepass to get this weapon
is a box
I redownloaded yesterday but ig bye bye 💀
I just gotted ulti😏
Ultimatum at home
Ultimatum cant compare with anything
Devs make weapons to op to make money cuz their game is about to die
their game is already dead duh
Not trying to be rude but your account is modded because I can tell
Devs gave him all weep for dmg test
Deadly icicle is better
Bruh the design of the dragoneer isn’t that appealing 🤨
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Definitely not op.
Hii
first
No delay 💀 (f2p players gotta grind for it)
💀💀💀💀💀
Ultimatum for the poor 💀✌🏻
They should nerf it or the game will be destroyed by this things
Ultimatum and Deadly Icicle is Enough Gad Damn
You should probably get it too while it's still out
@@shazuzrqt7985 I left the game
P
Nerf 👀👀
no
No
Ughhhhh
Ultimatum❤😊
Bro deadly icicles is waaayyy better in terms of fire rate because if you have bad aim then deadly icicle is better
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