Bienvenue mes enfants! I found the 9Bar more interesting, and more competent, than I'd expected. Is it as good as the Cafelat Robot? I can't really decide: they might be equal but not identical, if that makes any sense. Enjoy!
Great review. I love the engineering here and immediately want to buy this just out of how interesting it is, but the robot is so simple in a charming way, with a simpler work flow so I could make another shot quickly if I needed to. It's a difficult decision for me to choose which one to buy.
I literally don’t understand why your channel didn’t blow up yet.. maybe it’s just me and I have a similar taste to you and appreciate your honesty/way of approaching things but I have to say that I absolutely love your videos. By the way I used to be one of them crazy cross-shoppers but got the robot due to higher longevity (perceived and partly based on number of components potentially to be replaced) and never looked back!
In my view, one of the key differences between the 9Barista and the Robot is the number wear components, long term maintenance requirements, and ability to self to destruct. The Robot only has 2 wear items as far as I can tell (the gaskets), whereas the 9Barista has several (valves, gaskets, seals, etc). The 9Barista can also be damaged from overheating. 9Barista seems like it would be easier to achieve consistency though, in addition to having a very slightly better brew quality in general.
great coffee espresso maker using mokapot techniques that the most important part is the coil and fin which is not making the coffee with 'burnt taste', nice video content execution one of a kind for coffee vlog..👍
Would really appreciate any comments on the safety of the safety valve! There seems to have been a myriad of potential misused cases causing various “explosions.” 1) Upon scrutinizing the build and design from your expert perspective, would you say one shouldn’t encounter any safety issues as long as it is used in proper accordance with directions? 2) How do you feel about the clogging you encountered, and how often do you feel that may occur even upon using the paper filter? Truly appreciate your opinion, and have been finding all of your videos extremely informative and reliable in their unbiased and technical, objective, and non-commercial recommendations 🎉 (versus majority of other “reviewer/influencers”) Looking forward to more❤
@The Wired Gourmet I have the same combo (9Barista + 1Zpresso K-Plus). Friendly advice regarding moving the coffee from 1zpresso bottom container to the portafilter. I think you are doing it wrong. Try this: when you are done grinding, put the empty portafilter on top of the container (as a baseball cap) and make sure the magnets on the container are in good contact with the lip of the portafilter. Now rapidly turn the whole thing upside down and shake down a few times to flatten the heap of coffee inside the portafilter. Voila! No mess and all the coffee is where it needs to be.
Thanks for a great video. I have adopted a very similar technique, though I have a preference for lighter roast speciality coffee. I have started using Weiss needle distribution tool and a lower tamping pressure, with a ratio of 17.5g in to 38 out, and I’m getting very pleasing, consistent shots. I agree about the IMS precision basket - I fell for it and really, I’d say I can barely tell the difference. I also agree it isn’t about workflow. It’s a slow coffee thing, which is the best way to enjoy espresso (and I get the irony with wanting to slow down my espresso 😀) So I agree on pretty much all your points, even though we clearly have different preferences in coffee. 👍
Thank you for such a good video. I am pleased you enjoyed this machine as much as I. It is tricky to get used to, but once that is done, it’s great fun and a pleasure to own. Love and peace. Tim
Thank you very much for a great video and review! I'm very interested in both 9Barista and Cafelat Robot. Kind of not exactly a fan of comparing different equipment under the exact same conditions (09:27). I'm more interested in a personal opinion based on more complex evaluations. So my question could still be which one make a tastier coffee but on their own terms, especially considering all the flexibility of the Robot.
Tips: You can attach the basket DIRECT to the JE Plus via it's magnet bottom, works perfectly for me with a brush. *Hi5, I using the same combo, 9Barista + JE PLUS + Nanoformer
In my experience it's not the robot portafilter but the piston that needs pre warming. Easy way to do this without wrecking workflow: use one of those burger joint ketchup pots, half fill with hot water and push it on the piston (it stays due to suction). Then fill your portafilter as normal, remove pot and continue as normal. Just a few seconds is enough to affect the brew temp a few degrees. Pot then doubles up as a drip catch cup after the stopping the shot
@@wiredgourmet Have you considered or even tried using the pressurized cup of the Robot to preheat? I imagine this would also help with the temperature of the double spout.
Thanks for the video! It does look like a really good machine. If you use pre-heated water, does it help to reduce the 4-minute heating time? For me, I'd feel less comfortable working with those temperatures on a daily basis. Would love to also hear your thoughts on something like the Picopresso that became so popular lately.
Dear Thomas, Just to be clear about your darker roast preference: do you mean the robot performs better when dealing with different sorts of roasts? For a lighter roast enthusiast, would the robot be a better choice than the 9barista? Thank you, I adore your videos, a warm hug from Brazil!
Thanks. I think the 9Bar might have the edge with lighter roasts, as I got away with slightly finer grinding and it hits a slightly higher temp. I wouldn't read too much into my flavor observation: the coffee itself would have had a lot to do with that, and also the grinder I was using. Too many variables for me to offer advice with confidence :)
You mention pouring it out sooner to achieve a ristretto. I've emailed the company and they suggest this too. When I tried this with a Moka pot the pressure continued to push out coffee so I found I couldn't pour less, a ristretto, and the coffee wasn't nice. Do you think this would happen with the 9barista? Also the makers suggest putting less water in and cold water in the top chamber to make ristretto. I don't think I understand this process and what it would achieve enough to take the plunge and spend the money. Maybe I will come back to these videos.
Many thanks for your tips and tricks video. I apologise in advance for my lack of understanding but you talk of 40-50 seconds being a sweet spot for extraction, but then go on to state 30 seconds or longer, yields a poor shot. I presume I'm mixing two different things up and I was hoping you could clarify for the dunderklumpen that I am?
I'm guessing you're new around here :) I'm often concerned with temperature, which I point out is about the only espresso variable you can change at will without affecting, or needing to alter, any others: ua-cam.com/video/qLPPVg9RjxA/v-deo.html . I also mention it in the V60 Voodoo piece, and will explore it more deeply in the "advanced" follow-up to that video.
According to 9Barista: "We've never tried putting milk in the machine, but bearing in mind the temperature at which milk burns and the temperature reached in the lower boiler, the most likely result is burned milk and a machine that requires a deep clean. So it's not recommended!"
Every time I have tried a Moka style pot (3 different models), the seals have been an issue because they imparted a rubber flavor to the coffee. I like well extracted darker roasts more than lighter roasts, but I also like fast efficient workflows. Forgetting this pot and leaving on the heat too long looks like it will ruin the pot very quickly.
Bienvenue mes enfants! I found the 9Bar more interesting, and more competent, than I'd expected. Is it as good as the Cafelat Robot? I can't really decide: they might be equal but not identical, if that makes any sense. Enjoy!
The grand sum of each quality is equal but the individual values are not identical.
Shocking! Love that it performs well and is not just another espresso-wow! tool.
That's kind of what I was expecting. A pleasant surprise, eh?
Tremendously well done 👍🏻 Love these presentations- Grazie mille 🙏🏻
Great review. I love the engineering here and immediately want to buy this just out of how interesting it is, but the robot is so simple in a charming way, with a simpler work flow so I could make another shot quickly if I needed to. It's a difficult decision for me to choose which one to buy.
I literally don’t understand why your channel didn’t blow up yet.. maybe it’s just me and I have a similar taste to you and appreciate your honesty/way of approaching things but I have to say that I absolutely love your videos.
By the way I used to be one of them crazy cross-shoppers but got the robot due to higher longevity (perceived and partly based on number of components potentially to be replaced) and never looked back!
I agree, he's like a trustworthy commercial. Buttery TV voice
In my view, one of the key differences between the 9Barista and the Robot is the number wear components, long term maintenance requirements, and ability to self to destruct. The Robot only has 2 wear items as far as I can tell (the gaskets), whereas the 9Barista has several (valves, gaskets, seals, etc). The 9Barista can also be damaged from overheating. 9Barista seems like it would be easier to achieve consistency though, in addition to having a very slightly better brew quality in general.
just got 9 Barista today - excited to try.
great coffee espresso maker using mokapot techniques that the most important part is the coil and fin which is not making the coffee with 'burnt taste', nice video content execution one of a kind for coffee vlog..👍
Would really appreciate any comments on the safety of the safety valve! There seems to have been a myriad of potential misused cases causing various “explosions.”
1) Upon scrutinizing the build and design from your expert perspective, would you say one shouldn’t encounter any safety issues as long as it is used in proper accordance with directions?
2) How do you feel about the clogging you encountered, and how often do you feel that may occur even upon using the paper filter?
Truly appreciate your opinion, and have been finding all of your videos extremely informative and reliable in their unbiased and technical, objective, and non-commercial recommendations 🎉 (versus majority of other “reviewer/influencers”)
Looking forward to more❤
@The Wired Gourmet I have the same combo (9Barista + 1Zpresso K-Plus). Friendly advice regarding moving the coffee from 1zpresso bottom container to the portafilter. I think you are doing it wrong. Try this: when you are done grinding, put the empty portafilter on top of the container (as a baseball cap) and make sure the magnets on the container are in good contact with the lip of the portafilter. Now rapidly turn the whole thing upside down and shake down a few times to flatten the heap of coffee inside the portafilter. Voila! No mess and all the coffee is where it needs to be.
Thanks for a great video. I have adopted a very similar technique, though I have a preference for lighter roast speciality coffee. I have started using Weiss needle distribution tool and a lower tamping pressure, with a ratio of 17.5g in to 38 out, and I’m getting very pleasing, consistent shots. I agree about the IMS precision basket - I fell for it and really, I’d say I can barely tell the difference. I also agree it isn’t about workflow. It’s a slow coffee thing, which is the best way to enjoy espresso (and I get the irony with wanting to slow down my espresso 😀)
So I agree on pretty much all your points, even though we clearly have different preferences in coffee. 👍
Thank you for such a good video. I am pleased you enjoyed this machine as much as I. It is tricky to get used to, but once that is done, it’s great fun and a pleasure to own. Love and peace. Tim
Yes, you do need to develop a feel for it. But the coffee is as good as it gets :)
Would love your thoughts on clean up for the 9bar vs the Cafelat
High quality content as always! Thank you!
My pleasure!
If I had the money I'd buy one, I love clever, well engineered devices. Can't wait for the V60 voodoo part two
I was afraid it might be a gimmick, but it's the real deal :)
Thomas you are awesome
Thanks, and welcome to the community :)
yay. new video!
Enjoy !
It is amazing when you said that 9B's espresso shot has an edge over Robot ! Wow. Unfortunately it quite expensive in my country .
That Aeropress filter is genius move.
Very cleverly engineered device and a beautiful object. Unfortunately as I already own a good espresso machine I can’t justify buying one.
Which espresso machine do you own.
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You could always buy one as a gift :)
@@wiredgourmet a gift for myself maybe ;)
Thank you very much for a great video and review! I'm very interested in both 9Barista and Cafelat Robot. Kind of not exactly a fan of comparing different equipment under the exact same conditions (09:27). I'm more interested in a personal opinion based on more complex evaluations. So my question could still be which one make a tastier coffee but on their own terms, especially considering all the flexibility of the Robot.
Tips: You can attach the basket DIRECT to the JE Plus via it's magnet bottom, works perfectly for me with a brush.
*Hi5, I using the same combo, 9Barista + JE PLUS + Nanoformer
Thanks for the tip.
Inside many small O rings .
Where to find when replacement ! .
Thank you!
When you say that the Robot is 3°C cooler does that include a pre-warming of the Robot portafiler?
I never preheat the Robot. The smooth, fast workflow is part of what I love about it :)
In my experience it's not the robot portafilter but the piston that needs pre warming. Easy way to do this without wrecking workflow: use one of those burger joint ketchup pots, half fill with hot water and push it on the piston (it stays due to suction). Then fill your portafilter as normal, remove pot and continue as normal. Just a few seconds is enough to affect the brew temp a few degrees. Pot then doubles up as a drip catch cup after the stopping the shot
@@wiredgourmet Have you considered or even tried using the pressurized cup of the Robot to preheat? I imagine this would also help with the temperature of the double spout.
@@TheplebsI haven't tried it, but it seems like a good idea.
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5:34 may try to put the paper in first and then the coffee so the oils are taking out. (like in a moka pot)
I can pair this with the jmax grinder.
Hi! Would you be so kind and let me know wich coffee grinder to take! Thank you so much! Bruce
I’d like to see your thoughts on the DF64.
One of these days I really am going to have to get one :)
Did you find the robot could handle a wider variety of roasts? Might be a big pro Vs the 9bar for which you only enjoyed dark roast brews
What kind of heat did you use? High flame, low flame, start high then reduce as it boils?
I would call it medium, and steady. The company says 3-6 mins, so I dialed in the heat for 4 mins. Worked just fine.
Thanks for the video! It does look like a really good machine. If you use pre-heated water, does it help to reduce the 4-minute heating time?
For me, I'd feel less comfortable working with those temperatures on a daily basis.
Would love to also hear your thoughts on something like the Picopresso that became so popular lately.
It should help a bit, but 120 ml of hot water is not going to do much to all that metal.
put the reservoir onder warm runnen water, so the compleet reservoir heads up. then put warm water in it. should help.
Dear Thomas,
Just to be clear about your darker roast preference: do you mean the robot performs better when dealing with different sorts of roasts?
For a lighter roast enthusiast, would the robot be a better choice than the 9barista?
Thank you, I adore your videos, a warm hug from Brazil!
Thanks. I think the 9Bar might have the edge with lighter roasts, as I got away with slightly finer grinding and it hits a slightly higher temp. I wouldn't read too much into my flavor observation: the coffee itself would have had a lot to do with that, and also the grinder I was using. Too many variables for me to offer advice with confidence :)
You mention pouring it out sooner to achieve a ristretto. I've emailed the company and they suggest this too. When I tried this with a Moka pot the pressure continued to push out coffee so I found I couldn't pour less, a ristretto, and the coffee wasn't nice. Do you think this would happen with the 9barista? Also the makers suggest putting less water in and cold water in the top chamber to make ristretto. I don't think I understand this process and what it would achieve enough to take the plunge and spend the money. Maybe I will come back to these videos.
Take a look at my moka pot voodoo and moka pot perfection videos. I have a trick for the ristretto effect. I think you'll like it.
Many thanks for your tips and tricks video. I apologise in advance for my lack of understanding but you talk of 40-50 seconds being a sweet spot for extraction, but then go on to state 30 seconds or longer, yields a poor shot. I presume I'm mixing two different things up and I was hoping you could clarify for the dunderklumpen that I am?
I said "30 secs or faster" at 07:05. Did I misspeak elsewhere?
@@wiredgourmet See, now I did say I was a dunderklumpen! Got it, 30 seconds or less bad, 40-45 seconds good! Many thanks.
Nice were we can buy this items
The clean up should be easier with the Robot than the 9barista, no?
would you pls try out the flair 58
3rd wave coffee gate keeper astonished: The Wired Gourmet admits that temperature is the difference between good and great coffee! 😜
I'm guessing you're new around here :) I'm often concerned with temperature, which I point out is about the only espresso variable you can change at will without affecting, or needing to alter, any others: ua-cam.com/video/qLPPVg9RjxA/v-deo.html . I also mention it in the V60 Voodoo piece, and will explore it more deeply in the "advanced" follow-up to that video.
Hi. May I know what are the defects in your Eureka ORO SD so that I can check if it's something that concerns me. Thanks.
ua-cam.com/video/Aw0EhqPCEXc/v-deo.html
@@wiredgourmet OK, I watched it last time already. Thanks. Please update a video when they return the "improved" Eureka SD.
How many grams is the shot?
Can you put milk in the machine instead of water?
According to 9Barista: "We've never tried putting milk in the machine, but bearing in mind the temperature at which milk burns and the temperature reached in the lower boiler, the most likely result is burned milk and a machine that requires a deep clean. So it's not recommended!"
Every time I have tried a Moka style pot (3 different models), the seals have been an issue because they imparted a rubber flavor to the coffee. I like well extracted darker roasts more than lighter roasts, but I also like fast efficient workflows. Forgetting this pot and leaving on the heat too long looks like it will ruin the pot very quickly.
Definitely a hands on device.
I have the exact same setup lol
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What about the spitting hot water that happens in some videos? Is that something you've encountered during your tests?
That happened the first 2 tries, before I got the heat figured out. Once I set the heat for ~4 mins, it was fine.
it is very dangerous can explode if the pressure valve is not circulating
360euro is not a budget machine. I got Sage Barista Pro for 260euro. Probably better coffee and it can steam milk.
What do you have your grinder calibrated to for the best results? When i have mine set to the recommended setting, it blows the safety valve.