Can you EQ programmed Drums? | FAQ Friday - Warren Huart: Produce Like A Pro
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“With programmed drums, can you use the same EQ principles that you’ve gone over or has this already been done in the programming stage?”
As you probably know a couple of weeks ago I talked about the fact that I’m going to be releasing my own drum samples in a way that you can really get into velocities and all that kind of stuff. I did record them the way that I like to hear them.
However, like Al Schmitt, I don’t EQ a lot on the way in. I do it mainly on the mix- there will be a little bit of EQ applied to the drums to give them the sound that I want.
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• How do you set up your split console for mixing? Do you have several analog mix templates that you return to depending on the artist material you’re working with? (1:32)
• With program drums, can you use the same EQ principles that you’ve gone over or has this already been done in the programming stage? (5:59)
• I also EQ before reverb, is there ever a reason to EQ afterwards? (8:45)
• What books are standing on the back of the mixer and why do you keep them there? (10:00)
• When you mention “Glue” on parts like drum kit, how can we define that without being subjective? Is it standard distortion similar to EQ or compression? Or all of the above? What creates that effect in your experience? (14:41)
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Wow! I am so glad to be able to help! Have a marvellous time recording, many thanks Warren
What’s the best part of every Friday? FAQ Friday! Of course. Thanks Warren for taking time to answer our questions. It is greatly appreciated 🙂
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Hi Friends, as we gear up for the Holiday Season we have another episode of FAQ Friday! I love this incredible community we have here! Thank you all so much for all of your incredible support over this last year! It's been truly amazing!! Please check out all of the books we mentioned here, they are all wonderful works I highly recommend! I must say I am so glad to be able to help in any way I can! Have a marvellous time recording, many thanks Warren
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Perfect explanation of "glued together." Your suggestions on how to do it helped me a lot. Thanks, Warren!
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Thanks ever so much my friend!!
Thanks for a very good year of valuable information Warren and Team.
When I first found your youtube channel (tail end of 2017), I literally knew nothing, about recording, mixing or producing music.
I was interested, but didn't know if that interest would grow or fade over time.
I'm a Tortoise, not a Hare, I like to take my time, do some simple research, explore as many options as possible, before taking a leap.
I've spent this year, trying out different DAW's, sifting through Free plugins, watching videos, Cobbling together bits and pieces of equipment, instruments (which I need to learn to play) etc, preferably without splashing cash on something, that I may or may not stick at.
Feeling my way into this vast subject, which music is.
Now, after a year, the interest has not faded at all, in fact (thanks mainly to this channel and community), it has grown !
Quick shout out to Rick Beato, and New Jazz channels, they've helped keep my interest going and growing too.
2019, will be spent trying to put into practice, all that I have "gleaned" for free so far.
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Thank you ALL, (you've made it a fun year for me), have a wonderful Holiday season, take care, have fun, make the best music you can (then improve it), and as I look forward to next year, I wish you ALL success in your endeavors, whether Pro, semi-Pro, or like me struggling to learn the basics ;0)
Great FAQ Fry-day! Thanks Warren! And have a Merry (very cherry berry) Christmas - and your family too! And, of course, a wonderful time!!!! (Oh man! Gotta have one of those T-Shirt, they absolutely rock)
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Brilliant questions and brilliant answers, I got lots out of this FAQ, as always. Thank you for sharing the books on your console.
Thanks ever so much David!
I've been having a lot of fun running programmed drums through the pres on an old reel to reel (TEAC 4010S) - it imparts a beautiful sort of wooly sound that really works nicely for some of the tracks I'm producing lately. If you put them on to tape at approx 2X the speed you're after and play them back at 1/2 speed that's another wonderfuul lo-fi universe to explore.
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You're very welcome Jachin!
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I read the topic title and thought "What the hell, of course you can!" But now it makes sense. Have a nice weekend.
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I've tried pretty much all of the top drum plugins and while I've landed on EzDrummer2, I completely agree that the drums are extremely compressed and EQ'd, so it does make it both easy to achieve great sounds from the gate, but difficult to EQ in the mix process. What I will typically do is add additional trigger samples, reverbs, delays and saturation, to dial in the sound that best serves the song.
Explanation of Glue has answered so much!!
Thanks ever so much Eric!!
Wow, I was watching a guy mix on video & he was OD with his Eq to give instruments space. I didn’t agree & here you are confirming Warren.👍🏽
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Love the video, as always! Always pull something new with every FAQ Friday. Got a question on your comment regarding measuring from the snare though: I've recently gotten into the habit of eyeballing my overheads (and/or rooms, where applicable), after seeing a video of Glyn Johns demonstrating his drum technique. Does it really make that much of a difference if you've got than about an inch and a half difference, or do I just have stupid ears?
Hi Lethonai Marvellous comment! I measure my Overheads in phase with the snare, so yes, it is very important for proper polarity that the Overheads be set correctly. I hope that helps?
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Split kick y-cable, eq one for bump and the other for slap, sum in a mixer and that's that.
Hi Warren, thanks for this great FAQ Friday, super helpful as always, its funny how things have changed, I used to spend time trying to get things to behave with analogue now its like hey do something wrong and unpredictable VST instrument( not too unpredictable though! ) Freeze....lol, thanks again, all the best, Darren Ross. Merry Christmas
Thanks ever so much Darren for sharing your experience my friend! That 's fantastic! Happy Christmas to you too!!
Another great video, thank you Warren!
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Thank you Warren!
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I've been waiting for you to address this issue (eq on programmed drums). Thanks!
Would be better for EQ ing programmed drums if you can send each drum and stereo overheads to its own channel for separate EQing.
@@TheMentalblockrock in Kontakt you can export each drum, overheads and rooms to separate tracks. I often do this, print the tracks and then treat them like real drums
You're very welcome Meta!
Hi John, yes, luckily most of the drum softwares allow you to separate out the tracks and EQ them independently!
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Always good information . I always learn something , even for me an old man.😎
Thanks ever so much my friend!
EQing programmed drums: The short answer is "it depends on the plugin and the song".
Hi Herr Nox, yes, it does seem that each Drum Plug In has it's own issues and you have to treat them all differently!
Hi MorbidManMusic, it seems from. some of the comments here that each Drum Software has varying degrees of processing applied and a couple of people have said that some are also uneven, meaning the kicks and snare might be heavily processed and then the other elements are not. So, yes it does seem there is no standard answer! Haha
@@Producelikeapro I usually try to work with the driest sound possible with my drum plugins whenever possible (no reverb, no effects). So it sounds pretty close to a "real drum" situation - a perfect situation I should say, without bleed or unwanted noise. It gives me a bit more space to create a unique drum sound.
Warren, regarding 'glued', are you referring to reverb or saturation on the individual tracks, or on a sub buss, like the drum buss, guitar buss, etc.? Thanks!
Merry Christmas Warren, :)
Happy Christmas!!
Great video! But I have one question: Does it make a difference if you EQ before or after reverb? Of course, the reverb may change the spectrum of the audio so you may have to EQ the audio differently before and after the reverb. But is there a real difference between EQing before and after the reverb or is it mainly convenient?
Oh, and this is the very first time someone explained "glue" in a helpful way. Than you ever so much!
Thanks ever so much Jürgen! I really appreciate your marvellous question! Yes, it does make a difference where the EQ isn placed. Before the reverb won't 100% control it, it will just shape it, after the reverb it controls it much greater! I usually start with using EQ before! Then If I';m still hearing too much high air low end then I will eq afterwards! I hope that helps?
@@Producelikeapro Thank you so much! Yes, it does help a lot.
Wonderful! Thanks Jürgen!
Great video Warren! I always wondered about the books and now I know. I'm a big Beatles fan too. George Martin pretty much invented modern mixing. I hope one day to own an SSL console and maybe even your book positioned above it haha
Thanks ever so much my friend!! Yes, one day I will write that book! I started it with someone a couple of years ago!
I heard somewhere around here that you are an aviation aficionado. A book I could recommend, although it has nothing to do with audio, is "Skunkworks" by Ben Rich. He was Clarence "Kelly" Johnson's right hand man at the Skunkworks and helped design the U2 and SR-71.
Thanks ever so much! That's fantastic information my friend!!
Hey Warren, small correction: All Superior Drummer sounds (that I know of) are raw. SDX libraries often come with mixer presets and such that will apply the effects of whoever made/was involved with the library (Rock Foundry SDX by Bob Rock for example), but you can always change those things and you always start with a raw sound.
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Mine too!!
That's very kind of you Spitfire!
Very kind of you too Apple!
Hi Warren. I was just curious how you feel about sending the wet signal of a delay bus to a reverb bus as an alternative to side chaining a compressor on the reverb bus?
Wonderful video, invaluable information thank you warren
Agreed Darlene!
Thanks ever so much Darlene!
Thanks Apple!!
hey plap team, question: on heavy prog paterial with lots of time changes would you automate compression settings or would you aim for a global setting? and what was the aproach to these songs before the daw's? thanks
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Haha thanks Steve!!
Hi Warren, hope you are marvelous. Just wondering if there's a way to reduce 'k' sounds on vocals in post if you're mixing somebody elses work. Here in the north of England we have quite aggressive harsh 'k' sounds on words beginning with C for example. Any advice much appreciated, cheers. Rory
Thanks
Any plans to show your video equipment and how you prepare for and edit the youtube videos.
Interesting! Once we get it figured out ourselves! Haha still trying to learn it! Haha
@@Producelikeapro lol thanks! I'm thinking about getting into video and film work alongside music.
what's your thought on setting up a presonus studio live 32 mixer as a interface and daw controller in a small studio? I'm thinking about doing that instead of my focusrite 18i20 and octopre
Hi Warren.
I'm quite ignorant when it comes to using analog gear but I was wondering how exactly you use, say, a hardware la 2a clone on your vocal? Would I just run my mic into the compressor and then the compressor into my interface? Is it that simple? Or would you route it differently?
Have you ever re-amp'ed drums in order to create room or fx sound by playing back a single channel or combined buss through a monitor and micing it?
Hello Warren. In your opinion, which is the best music distribution service? Do you use any in particular? Thank you!
Marvellous question! I will answer that question very soon!
Hey Warren,
When performing the "car test," should the EQ on the car stereo be set flat? Or should it be left the way the driver has it set up?
Hi Matt Greenlee Marvellous question! I would listen exactly as you always do! The point of doing it is how does your music sound in the environment you’re used to!
you can eq and multi layer anything, stand out slam the beats if needed, music is a pulse, you want authentic pay the price, or get creative i say :) coffeetime then a craviotto and bell brass to kick harse
Absolutely! Creativity is King!!
Question: I record all of my electric guitars direct via USB (either from Line 6 Helix or Blackstar ID amp). While I love the sounds I'm getting on the way in, and they sound pretty great in the mix already (so far), are there any tips to "warm" up the tone a little better? Specifically using EQ and/or saturation plugins?
My take on this: any sort of tape saturation or analogue eq emulation can work. Also sometimes reducing some harshness from 4-8 kHz (in spots) can work wonders sometimes.
get some impulse response from Lancaster audio and do a Di track and blend some different tones in and use a high pass/ low pass to set it behind your main track and also don't have all tracks with the same gain or distortion use low gain and mid gain under or over high gain tracks it works wonders
Warren, have U considered going with a digital console...if not , why not?
I have used a digital console many times! I prefer too use the mouse and have an analog console, such as my SSL, for the additional benefits of it's EQ and Dynamics on every channel!
At what sample rates do you set your interface for tracking? 44.1, 48, 96, etc.
Also, it seems as if some of the different online music sites (iTunes, Pandora, etc) have standards and may manipulate it further after submission...
Hi Tim, marvellous question! If I"m mixing, I mix at the sample rate the artist or Producer provided. Otherwise I'm often at 48k, however I work at higher rates as required. I hope that helps?
Eric Serafin "Mixerman" has written at length about this on his site, Facebook group, and in his books. Sample rate isn't as important as the material at hand (do you have a great song, played greatly by great musicians?). I've recorded for years at 44.1, and 48. I mostly used 44.1 while hard drive space was at a premium. Now it can be had so cheaply, that 48k is what I use most often. I see no real pressing need to go to 96k - not that it doesn't have its uses. Like Mixerman, I'd much rather hear a great song by a great artist at 44.1, than utter crap at 96 (or even 192) any day. That said, use what makes sense to you. :)
Can you run from your amps FX loop to a Focusrite 2i2?
Hmm..you could go into your amp and then into the 2i2 if you wanted that sound. I would only do that if you could get an IR to make it feel more natural.
could my DAW cause me not to be able to get a good vocal sound? seems not matter what i do i just can't get a great vocal track. i have a SEelectronics z5600a2 mic, and a digi 003 interface that is probably 10 years old...i run straight into the digi 003 i don't have any other mic preamps, iv'e watched your vocal videos and it always improves it but, i can't seem to get a great vocal to begin with,
Question: if one is using just a VST drumkit based on samples is there a way to bus it to a track and have that track imitate the overheads some way? Probably a dumb question but just wondering.
Some (most?) drum plugins also have seperate room and overhead mics
That is true. However, the reason I ask is because I use Ableton drum racks to build my kits and that functionality is not on it. It is akin to loading drum samples into an MPC or something of that nature so I would like a way to parallel route the drums to a track and treat that track as to imitate overheads to make the kit more alive. Thanks.
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FAQ question.
I’m considering purchasing a FET compressor/limiter. I would really love to get the Universal Audio 1176LN, but I can’t wrap my head around the price. For about $2000.00, I could get quite a bit of other gear. My question is: Can a $500.00 “Warm Audio WA76” or $400.00 “Klark Teknik 1176-KT” perform just as well. They all have similar components and class-A transformers. Would there be any noticeable differences in sound quality? Is the high price tag on the UA just for the name and cult status?
Clinton Carlton the warm audio sounds great to me and also another good comp is the art pro vla
@@DMHProductionsStudio Art Pro produces good products for the price range. I have an Art TPS II preamp that's actually better than I thought it would be. I've also heard that the Art Pro VLA comp is a very good unit, but I am looking at getting something similar to the 1176 for a slightly vintage sound. I think I'll end up getting the Warm Audio. Do you own the WA76?
Clinton Carlton unfortunately I don't own the wa76 but have had the chance to use is a few times at a friend's studio and it is great for the price and will be getting one for my own studio asap
Clinton Carlton you may look into Graham tec, black Lion,and hairball fet comps those are fairly cheap and I've heard good things about them
I use an 85 Casio bass synth with built in drum pads through a Fender Mustang3 haha
That sounds fricken Awesome Allan!!
@@Producelikeapro Sometimes it can sound like complete ass too haha. I cant wait to plug it in to my Focusrite2i2, after watching your review of the 2i2 studio pack I ordered one online haha.
For some reason, find EQing drum samples way harder than drums I recorded. I can only think that it's from all the processing that went on behind the scenes.
That's probably a huge contributing factor my friend!
the meaning of "glue together' is in the word 'glue'. nothing to debate about.
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Hey Warren, after spending the festive period in bed with a cold that would topple Zeus, I just want to ask what your method is to carry on working in this state? Ear blockage is my worst enemy!
How to compress a vocal that is too dynamic? Normal voice / scream / normal voice/ whisper.
Have you looked into vocal rider or manual volume automation?
@@michi9955 I did, but sometimes the "scream" loses presence when I even the signal, for example, if the normal voice is at -6db, the scream has to be at - 2db to sound in a similar aparent volume to normal voice. I wonder if this is normal because it hapens to me all the time, specially with amateur singers.
@@Ggggpr okay, I've never worked with screaming vocals so no idea, sorry ^^
could the spl of the scream be too much for the mic and causing it to dip and not pick it up ?
@@DMHProductionsStudio how do I know that ? There's no clipping at all
You can EQ ANYTHING!
That is true John, but sometimes like being able to compress anything, EQ can overused - not by anyone in this community though. 😊
Hey Warren, great tips, as usual. In particular I appreciate another reminder about “randomness” in drums; you know, like a living, breathing, expressive drummer. I hear perpetual bitching about the “machine feel” of a lot of today’s music, and it never fails it’s from imbeciles who slave their work to a stinking grid and over-compressed drums lacking any semblance of dynamics or randomness. There! I’ve exposed my archaic mindset on the recording/mixing process and informed why my heroes are the likes of Messers Schmitt, Johns, Scott and of all Emerick whom I really miss.
Since this is a community where everyone helps each other, If anyone cares to listen to this song I wrote and recorded and let me know what you think would be appreciated.
Just hire a great drummer and you will get creativity for free and still need to do eqing,hahaha...problem solved...
Haha yes! Perfect! Unless you are in a one bedroom apartment! Haha
With or without electronic drums??? ;)