Faulty Approaches: Crosswind Considerations
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- UND CFIs Mike Lents and Anthony Bottini round off the last part of the four part series: "Faulty Approaches and Landings." This final episode discusses numerous hazards that can threaten an otherwise solid approach when a crosswind condition is present. Since most approaches and landings are executed during some kind of crosswind situation, it is advised that each pilot use this episode to review crosswind landing techniques to really hone their crosswind skills and hopefully avoid crosswind hazards such as touching down in a crab, the dreaded ground-loop and/or experiencing a wing rise after touchdown. We hope you've enjoyed this four part series. Let us know what you thought by sending our UND AeroCast staff an email at undaerocast@aero.und.edu and stay tuned for a bunch of future episodes. By the way, as usual, a huge thanks goes out this time to Timothy and Bret for sending us some truly stunning fan photos. Thanks fellas!
My first solo was when winds were gusting to 15, in a direct crosswind. I actually had my upwind wing come off of the ground after landing. Luckily it was on a touch and go, while I still had enough airspeed to get into ground effect and save it. I'm now licensed, and working on my instrument, but I still love watching these core, basic concept videos.
This is by far the best instructional video on crosswind landings I have seen. I am currently a student pilot and have watched a lot of crosswind training videos on UA-cam. I recently experienced an upwind wing lift that caused the plane to yaw severely into the wind and thanks to my instructor was able to save. It scared the hell out of me and made me very aware that if done improperly crosswind landings can get away from you much more quickly than you realize. This video is spot on and easily the most helpful of all the x-wind landing videos I have seen. The examples of what the plane can do if improperly handled are accurate. I have experienced it first hand. Watch carefully and pay attention and you will gain the knowledge you need to be successful.
Everything in this video was spot on. Only thing I would add is to practice landing without flaps or very little. It'll make severe crosswind landings much easier.
@naborsimbor5752 Severe crosswind landings are relative to skill level. Here on the Gulf Coast, where the weather changes in a minute you better be working towards handling intense crosswinds. I've put my 172 down with 28kt crosswinds from Houston to Mobile on several occasions. People who actually fly know you don't get to pick what the wind is going to be like at your destination.
Yep, it takes a conscious effort to actually depress that rudder pedal. It's quite humorous really, but many people only THINK about using the rudder. In the end though, they don't apply any pressure on it at all during the roundout and flare. That's one of the biggest "missteps" I've noticed in my 44 years of instructing, and I think it must have something to do with human nature - a sort of resignation. It's almost like these pilots think that once the stall-warning horn comes on they have arrived at a barrier and can no longer change the flight control positions. It's as if they're saying to themselves: "Well, I've done all I can do. Whatever's gonna hapn' is going to happen." You have to keep flying, keep thinking, keep observing... You have to actually push on the rudder pedals all the way through the approach, touchdown and rollout. Sometimes I just sit there and smile and smile...
A crab is flown into the wind with wings level and rudder coordinated. The forward and side-slips are aerodynamically the same with the same basic controls. The only real difference being the effect of rudder. In a side-slip, the rudder is used for runway alignment. In a forward slip, rudder is used to increase drag on the airplane. Ailerons are used opposite the rudder. In combination, these controls maintain ground-track and alignment. Good luck with your flying!
Glad to see this video.10,000 hour CFI ATP, 1,800 hrs dual given, I'm a stickler for proper practice of cross wind landings. I see these YT videos (even airline pilots) and cringe at how pilots have zero concept/ability to perform proper X-wind landings. If there's any significant wind, you will likely have some X-wind component. Cross wind technique (side slip) can be subtle. Practice does not have to be at max X-wind limits. Think/practice cross wind landings almost every landing.
Excellent trg lecture. Good use of multi-media to illustrate teaching points. To go the full mile, suggest you add some case studies (videos of approaches) at the end and ask key questions to make the viewer internalize the principles learned. Follow with correct responses. Overall, an excellent and enjoyable lesson. Thanks.
I'm now a student pilot, still in circuit pattern training stage, I felt that during the flight I was more comfortable by using de-crab method to do crosswind landing rather than a pure side-slip method.
This is great instructional video! Thanks a lot for sharing it!
I have landed a 172 in 24 KT Xwind gusting at 36, quartering at 124 degrees and the runway on 150. Wicked ground effect at the very end . So you gotta be awake !
12424G36 on rwy 150 is around a 15kt crosswind component with 25kt headwind. The gusting certainly makes it more challenging though.
That's insane!
If the crab method relies on thrust,what does a glider or a power off plane use?Don't be confused by over use of words and explanations,just put in the control inputs necessary to touch down straight.Over analyzing and thinking just adds to confusion.Seat of the pants all the way,same with airspeed,but a little faster won't hurt for training.
Lol, what's with the frying eggs at 09:28? That came out of nowhere.
Treetop64 lmaooo was just thinking the exact same thing
Fuck you, if you don’t like that, I have one solution to you: PRODUCE YOUR OWN VIDEOS. FFS
dude chill out
Thank you Capt. very good video.
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So many people showing how to make a bad landing, it's refreshing to see one that shows how it SHOULD be done.
Yes,feeling more than hearing because we have headsets on.There's no substitute for training,a level of confidence comes from it (not over confidence,lol) and aerobatics really help with the speed/control range,or 'envelope' .. and it's just plane fun!
Well explained and very informative. This is a positive comment. An easy way to make this much better would be to cut out the nightclub music. Personally, I find it counterproductive to listen to dance music while also learning about topics that are important to me to understand very well. But maybe I'm weird. Thank you for your informative post.
Video starts at 2:18
Thanks a bunch.
The problem I see is too much flap deployment. Why landing at the edge of the flight envelope, you certainly don't want the added lift in a crosswind environment. I never use more than 10 degrees on final, and pump the flaps once the craft has planted wheels.
Gliders and power-off aircraft will use forward components of weight and lift in place of thrust, but this will have the same effect as thrust in a descent.
I agree that good landings are benefited and even result from seat of the pants flying and listening to what the aircraft is telling the pilot. But I believe that people listen better when they know what to listen for. No disrespect, because I also know a few pilots that over-think at in-opportune moments. Everything takes balance.
Lol I like the fired eggs at the end
My favorite action is side slip, realy usable only with a high wing aircraft, wing down in the wind: this avoid a wing lift in wind gusts, touch down with on wheel, but need a bit training and skill...crabbing/decrabing can be dangerous on hard runway (loss of controll), much less danger on a grass strip (tyre slip on grass)
The Crosswind Slip is the right method for ALL aircraft, not just high wingers..The only exception are the big Jetliners with too low engines which due to Tandem Landing Gear (4 tires per gear) and low to the ground engines, they need to be slipped no more than say 5-8 degrees and put some crabbing if need more correction..Many Jetliner "Pilots" cannot due The Crosswind Slip well due is a 3D landing, so they let the Clod due a 2D or two control used only touchdown..The Crab to De Crab method..For wimps only..On taildragers means an accident...
I have seen many doing that method for years..wearing out tires for years..Even if they cannot a good Vmax Crosswind Landing..
Thx! For share this video. I am a student pilot and this happend to me once I tried to land with rain shower and it is not safe, one of the problems were high speed i did not make a good flare and i did not have visibility. But maintain a correct glide speed and make a good flare is extremely important. But I learned for that bad moment. Thx! FOR share it!
thanks for your exelent vídeo.
on minute 14:45 you said one wheel firts.
I alway do, on my pitts, on the DC3, C46, DC6,727,737, E190 abd A320family sideslip snd main wheels touching all , at the same Time.
Also is a recomendation, from Airbus.
If have material where saids one wheel firts,
I Will appreciate.
Thanks
I use a combination of both methods. I enter the slip on short final when landing is assured.
Great instructional videos, thanks!
There are three kinds of Slips, not just two. Calling the Straight Slip a Side Slip is contradictory due on the Straight Slip you are not going sideways but inclined in a straight line. The Forward Slip is straight too but more inclined . The De-Crab method is used mostly by under the wing engined jets to prevent bad pilots from doing hard touchdowns Slip and have an engine strike that is more expensive than replacing scraped tires. 747's and B-52's are landed with mostly a big crab due that.
thanks for the excellent video! I was wondering why I keep seeing airliners putting sideload and decrab after touchdown? thank you
sideloads!?
flyer boy well yes. I assume the gear experiences sideloads when an aircraft touches down crabbing (nose towards the wind) and de crab with the rudder just after touchdown. am I mistaken?
well no.mistakenly read your comment
Thank you thank you thank you for great videos and sharing !!
i'm gonna need this video for learning.
I'm a student pilot and have experienced a bad x-wind landing that my instructor fortunately saved. This video is spot on. It most definitely is accurate and helped me a ton. Play very close attention and you will be fine.
Hey, could someone please tell me which controls to use for side slip, crabbing, and forward slip, because they all seem to use ailerons into the wind with opposite rudder.
I currently go to UND. Is there anywhere I can download a c172 with g1000 for Flight Sim?? I have been looking all over for one so that I can use it at home.
Hi Eric. Are you looking for a C172 for X-Plane? If so, the 172 we use for the AeroCast has kind of a dummy G1000 that is mostly just for looks because, the last time I checked, X-Plane couldn't simulate a G1000 correctly. However, in searching for an answer to your question, I came across this: forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=20015 Its a custom panel that you can download and insert into the C-172 model that comes with X-Plane 10. Give it a shot - totally free. Good luck!
Great videos, thanks!
Great video
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Glad to see you guys are using X-Plane and not FSX. Good school obviously.
why do you use flaps ? i thought that flaps are not recomended with cross wind , just if u have to sort out an obstacle !
Xray55 minimal flaps during crosswind and soft field landings.
Depends on the aircraft and many other details. Flaps are simply full out or full in on some aircraft, while others have intermediate settings.
Have to concur with Doge's observation, flying 207's up in Alaska with 30 direct xwind everywhere you went, no flaps was the order of the day
Those same 30 kt crosswinds in the Van on slick paved runways would frequently result in flat spotting the tires
Great video. Enjoy your eggs!
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I don't see one comment concerning a cross wind landing with FULL FLAPS.
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Someone needs to remaster these videos. There is annoying music throughout that makes it hard to hear the narration. I can’t make it through more than a few minutes without giving up.
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I just do it. No thought involved
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Meh. Come in high, kill the engine, and full forward slip straight down, minimizes side loading by minimizing forward motion, the steep geometric approach angle has an inherently smaller more accurate touchdown zone, and assures obstacle clearance. Works with wind, no wind, any surface, no need for tedious setups and glide slope intercepts.
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Lame title.
nothing here is informational ,,,, you have to feel the air across the plane ,,, no one can tell you what that is ,, only confuses things ,,, my flight instructor never made it complicated , just go with the wind ,he was the best
the voice is too annoying to listen